1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: On today's show, Taylor Swift sends fans into a frenzy 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: announcing her Australian tour, dates, why local Spotify exclusive podcasts 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: are disappearing from our feeds, and Mia Plastic's bizarre statement 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: about that dog park incident. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: news twice a week. I'm Ka Torba, and I've got 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: a bone to pick with Nesle. This week they announced 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: that they're discontinuing fan tals, and I've had the biggest 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: craving for them ever since I heard the news. 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is what always happens. 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: A company announces that they're discontinuing a particular chocolate bar 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: or a biscuit, and then everyone wants them, everyone rushes 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: down to the store to get them, and then plot twist, 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: a month later, the brand's like, actually, we're bringing them back. 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that that's going to happen in this case, 16 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: because apparently the reason that they're getting rid of them 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: is firstly, no one's buying them, and secondly, they have 18 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: to invest a lot of money in the machinery that 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: makes them, and they just can't allocate that money when 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 1: they're not selling. It makes me so sad because fantails 21 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: remind me of primary school. I feel like all of 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: the legend teachers would hand them out at the end 23 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: of the school year. They remind me so much of 24 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: sleepovers because you'd always have a bag of fantails and 25 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: a bag of Minty's, and then you tear the wrappers 26 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: up to do those long strands and have a competition 27 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: who could make the longest. The thing is, I could 28 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: never find fantails at the shops. I don't know, obviously, 29 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: because they're not high in demand, but I don't really 30 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: feel like it's an easily accessible lolly. I'm surprised Neslai 31 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: are the ones ditching fantales because they actually gave pollwaffles 32 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: the Second Life. Do you remember when they were dropped 33 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight. But this comes back to 34 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: my original theory because I think that Nesle is smart 35 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: enough to know that any time a chocolate bar disappears, 36 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: everyone creates so much hype around it and wants it. 37 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: I think that they're purposely doing this, well, I hope, 38 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: so I really want to find someone's stock up because 39 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: they're stopping the manufacturing this month and then basically as 40 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: soon as stock runs. 41 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: Out, it's gone. 42 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: I want to tell everybody about an underrated chocolate bar. 43 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: Curly Whirlies. 44 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: Get onto them before they get discontinued. See I feel 45 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: I thought they already had discontent with them. That sounds 46 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: like a really old school chocolate bar and is at 47 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: a local chocolate bar. I'm not really sure, but no, 48 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: I think it's everywhere. They've got curly wellies and chomps. 49 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: They're the cheaper chocolate bar. They're kind of similar to 50 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: Fantalees in a way because it's just caramel with chocolate 51 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: on them. I posted a photo and made a big 52 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: call on Instagram. I said that Ntella biscuits were topp tier. 53 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: I said they were my absolute favorite biscuit. I don't 54 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: think we've ever had that many people reply to a post. 55 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: So many people made me feel better because everyone was 56 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: saying that they also sit and will eat the biscuits 57 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: in one setee. I've never had one, so maybe we 58 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: should fill My first reaction on TikTok to eating one. 59 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 2: I actually disagree with you, Sophie. 60 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying the TikTok biscuits, as in the ones with 61 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: the clock. They're the best biscuit going out. They are 62 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: so addictive. I think Timtams are pretty good, Like it 63 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: would be hard to beat a Tim Monte Carlo. Yeah, 64 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: someone said that we need to do a biscuit hierarchy. 65 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: I don't know whether that ignite something again with Bruno, 66 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: hopefully not. Yeah, Monte Carlo's I think they're too crumbly 67 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: for me. 68 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: Too crumbly. It's a great happy album, Yeah, it definitely is. 69 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: It's Yeah. 70 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm in a much better mood. I've been feeling a 71 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: strange mixture of excitement and anxiety since Taylor Swift's Australian 72 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: tour dates were announced on Wednesday. We knew there was 73 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: no way Taylor was coming to Adelaide, so we're. 74 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: Prepared to travel. We're used to being snubbed. 75 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: Yes, However, Queenslanders were not prepared for this bad news. 76 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: They're not happy about it. There's already a petition going 77 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: around to get Taylor to perform in Brisbane. I don't 78 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: know if they've got much chance, though. I heard some 79 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: politicians in Adelaide were also kicking up a stink, saying 80 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: they would get Taylor Swift here. It's like, how there 81 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: was no way. Well, she's a busy girl. She's flying 82 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: in from Japan and then quickly has to jet off 83 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: to Singapore. So there's only two weeks for Australia. Okay, 84 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: you have been an absolute nightmare over the last couple 85 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: of days. You said that you were anxious about tickets, 86 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: but it's been next level. I was getting constant messages 87 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: last night from you saying we. 88 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: Have to book flights. 89 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: We've got to try, like can we get an American 90 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: Express so irate when we don't answer. 91 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: So you were at work? Why then your responded to me? 92 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: It's because I noticed that when the tour dates were announced, 93 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: we're like, okay, we'll go to Melbourne. It's closest, will 94 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: probably be cheapest, and there was a return flight for 95 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty dollars. I said, let's just book 96 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: it in. Who cares if we don't get tickets. We 97 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: can go to Melbourne anyway. Those flights have already jumped 98 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: to over six hundred dollars in a couple of days. 99 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: So today I panicked and I booked flights to Sydney 100 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: for the three I think we're jinxing it. This is 101 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: what scares me. I know a lot of people believe 102 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: in manifestation and if you picture it, it will happen. If 103 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: you act like it's happening, it's going to happen. I 104 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: on the other hand, I feel like it's the anti manifestation. 105 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: I always think, if I think the worst is going 106 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: to happen, I'll be pleasantly surprised when something good. You 107 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: mean you're pessumistic. Yes, I'm very pessimistic, and I feel 108 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: like we are jinxing it. We're going to be stuck 109 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: with these expensive flights and nowhere to go. So if 110 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: you are the most negative person, I think we just 111 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: have to prepare for it. We've got to have our 112 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: computers ready to go. You know, you have to have 113 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: your Frontier Touring special code ready to go. 114 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: For the crease, don't give a. 115 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: Bit, get tips away tips, because the worst bit is 116 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: she's not going to New Zealand, so people from New 117 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: Zealand are potentially flying over. There's a lot of competition. 118 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: I saw Courtney Mangen shared this quote from a newspaper 119 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: saying that apparently one million people had hit up the 120 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: ticker tech website as of one pm on the day 121 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: of the announcement. So that's a bit of a sign 122 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: of how many people are interested in tickets. Do you 123 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: remember years ago when we went to see Taylor Swift 124 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: in Melbourne and we were so deluded in thinking that 125 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: if we stayed at a really nice hotel that we 126 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: might run into Taylor Swift in the lift. Now, we 127 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: booked the suite thinking that she might be next door. No, 128 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: she was not. Yeah, well, for any new listeners, we 129 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: actually did meet Taylor Swift when she came to Adelaide 130 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. See, that's why I believe in manifesting, 131 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: because I was so positive the night before I'd done 132 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: my research. I found out how you get into the 133 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 1: loft which is her meet in great area. I remember 134 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: being upstairs in my bedroom and hearing you talking about 135 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: these grand plans, saying, Oh, this time tomorrow will be 136 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: meeting her, and I thought, God, I've got to manage 137 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: Kate's expectations because I thought there was no way in 138 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: hell again me being pessimistic that this was going to happen. 139 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: So it did. That's why you should be following what 140 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: I say about this, because I predicted we would meet 141 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: her and we did. I feel like we need to 142 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: get onto Georgie Stevenson's course to manifest this or something. 143 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: I can't afford it. 144 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: Well, I can see how this would help in terms 145 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: of the recession, but what is this going to do 146 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: for inflation? Because I thought the whole point was we're 147 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: not supposed to be spending a lot of money so 148 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: that slowly the cost goes down. Look, I'm not a 149 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: financial expert, but they did say that this won't affect inflation. 150 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: You need to think about it. People are going to 151 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: be buying merchandise, They're going to be traveling to the concert, 152 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: paying for flights and accommodation as well as dining out. 153 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: So this is going to be. 154 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: Very good for Sydney and Melbourne. I love how our 155 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: budget changed so quickly, Like we were chatting on the 156 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: phone about it and yesday were like, oh, well, we'll 157 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: just have to see if we can get tickets. This 158 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: morning it was like, let's sign up to the American 159 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: Express or you know, because you can get tickets at 160 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: are eight hundred and ninety dollars. That doesn't sound that unreasonable. 161 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: I mean, the cost of like a freaking Apple's gone 162 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: up in the store. It's incredibly unreasonable to pay that 163 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: much for a ticket, but I think true fans will 164 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: do so, and that's a bit unfair to say that 165 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: it's true fans. I don't think the true fans are 166 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: the people with the most man. I don't think it is, 167 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: But I think it's people who are willing to save 168 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: up and invest in going to the concert because it 169 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: is a once in a lifetime opportunity. What I'm afraid, 170 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: as a huge Taylor Swift fan, is that a lot 171 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: of people who just sort of like listening to on 172 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: the radio are going to come along to the concert 173 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: because they want to be seen at the concert. So 174 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: this is what's pissing me off, because I've noticed a 175 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: lot of influences and public figures coming out of the 176 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: woodwork saying oh I love Taylor Swift. I'm like, since 177 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: when how many concerts have you been to? Also, the 178 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: newest one on the bandwagon is Anthony Alberizi, Australia's Prime Minister. 179 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: So apparently we're gonna have to fight with Albo to 180 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: get a ticket to Taylor Swift. So last week he 181 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: outed himself as a Swifty, revealing he'd picked up a 182 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine album on vinyl after the song got 183 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: him through a turbulent period on the campaign trail. Now 184 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: that song he's referring to is shake it Off. Now 185 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: he actually quoted a lyric from shake It Off during 186 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: the last election campaign, so it seems like he has 187 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: been a swifty for quite some time. He was quoted 188 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: as saying, I think she's terrific and I think she's 189 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: empowering of young women. If people actually listen to shake 190 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: it Off. 191 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: The lyrics are fantastic. 192 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: I quite enjoy her, White enjoy her well. Prince Harry's 193 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: another huge fan. Remember he dropped that he'd been listening 194 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: to Look What You Made Me Do when he left 195 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: the Royal family. Yeah, that's kind of troubling that he 196 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: was using that song as motivation. 197 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: It's a class that even the fact that. 198 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: It's talking about the keys to the castle and all 199 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: the references are bang on. I think a lot of 200 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: people also want to be seen at this concert and 201 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: go for the people watching because I bet there will 202 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: be a lot of Australian celebrities there. Remember Anna Paul 203 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: ran into Emma Watson the toilet Cay. Maybe you're running 204 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: to Steph Quisby. That's not going to happen because she's 205 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: already put on her insta story that she's devastated because 206 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: she's going to be overseas when Taylor Swift's in concert 207 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: in Australia. That's one best person to fight for tickets. 208 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: I have a new baby at home. I'm like I 209 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: have free cats. 210 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: Mia Plasic has issued a bizarre second statement after receiving 211 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: further backlash over that controversial dog park incident. On the weekend, 212 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: the entrepreneur shared a video of her partner Justin Borg, 213 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: leading their dog out of a park by its ear. 214 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: The outrage was swift, causing her to quickly delete the 215 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: video on Instagram and issue a short statement denying that 216 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: her partner hurt their dog. On Tuesday, Mia uploaded a 217 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: second statement, which was almost six hundred words long and 218 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: strangely referenced global domination. This second statement, Sophie, was very 219 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: different from her first. Yeah, so to refresh everyone's memories. 220 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: MIA's first statement read, to the people think king Justin 221 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: was hurting maple in that video, please relax, She was 222 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: trying to eat random food in the garden. Justin wasn't 223 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: hurting her. We love our dogs more than anything in 224 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: the world and they are treated better than any dog. 225 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for your concern. Now, interestingly, her tune seems to 226 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: have changed because in the second statement, Mia now claims 227 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: that Justin was protecting their dog because they were concerned 228 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: it had been baited. And very confused because if that's 229 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: the case, why wouldn't she have stated that to begin with? 230 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: And I want to ask her, why were you filming 231 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: and laughing in the video that you uploaded, because if 232 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: it was my dog, I would have run out of 233 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: the car to help and been in an absolute panic. Well, 234 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: in this bizarre statement, Maya also listed what she called 235 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: her substantial accomplishments that have been conveniently ignored so These 236 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: included being a solo female founder, employing a team of 237 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: talented women, nurturing an environment that inspires women to pursue 238 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: greatness in their lives, and adhering to her tax obligation. 239 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: I had a big laugh about that bit, because it's like, 240 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: do you want to pat on the back because you're 241 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: not breaking the law? Like, seriously, don't understand why you 242 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: would choose a serious conversation like this to big note 243 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: yourself and say how great you are. 244 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: Do you think that's really going to go down? 245 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: Well, the wording of this statement was fucking bizarre, like 246 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: this line that followed that bit about her accomplishments. Instead, 247 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: their sole objective is to cancel me, a futile endeavor 248 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: that she'll never bear fruit. I loved how everyone was 249 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: saying that she must have headed to chat GPT to 250 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: put out this statement because it sounded so weird. It's 251 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: interesting because she's saying that she hasn't been canceled yet. 252 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: I recently heard her say on a podcast that her 253 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: products Slickstick, it is stocked in Sephora in the Middle East, 254 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: However in Australia they won't stop it due to her 255 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: terrible persona on Instagram she something has happening. Well, she 256 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: didn't say due to her terrible persona, but she said 257 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: that the reps that she deals with are her age 258 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: and she senses that they've seen her on Instagram are 259 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: basically Australia is full of tool poppies. That's the reason 260 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: apparently why Slickstick isn't in a lot of stores or 261 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: as in, isn't in Sephara here, Well, it is in coal, 262 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: so it is doing pretty well. 263 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: But the fact that she said that. 264 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: The negative attention has actually bolstered her sales, it means 265 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: that she can't suit any of these publications for defamation 266 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: because she has stated that she is financially benefiting from 267 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: this negative commentary, and normally to be successful in a 268 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: defamation case, the person needs to prove the comments have 269 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: impacted their life and they weren't diffammatory anyway. Yeah, I know, 270 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: but if she wanted to go down that track, I 271 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: felt like it was very pointed at this podcast. Ah. 272 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: I think that there were quite a number of other 273 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,439 Speaker 1: journalists who touched on the store. I think the Daily 274 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: Mail picked up on it as well as news dot com. 275 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: It was covered quite widely. Yeah, but the fact that 276 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: she said self proclaimed journalists and forum creators of gossip, 277 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: I thought it was pointed at us. I do think 278 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: it's pretty funny because normally, if a person in the 279 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: public eye received this type of backlash, they would apologize 280 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: for the actions or take some kind of accountability just 281 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: to get the heat of them. But instead she has 282 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: taken aim at journalists and gossip forums. So as you 283 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: touched on so she said she is the target of 284 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: counsel culture and that people's attempts to destroy her reputation 285 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: have inadvertently contributed to the positive trajectory of her success. 286 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: And I need to read the next bit of the 287 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: statement out because it's worded so strangely. It reads, these 288 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: individuals who engage in relentless online bullying exhibit a dearth of. 289 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: Purpose in their lives. 290 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: It is truly laughable that they specifically focus their attacks 291 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: on individuals who surpass them in achievement. Unbeknownst to them, 292 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: their mission to destroy both me and my business inadvertently 293 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: plays into my hands. As evidence by our record breaking 294 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: sales yesterday, their actions served as a catalyst for bringing 295 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: me new followers and customers. So love your voice reading 296 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: that out. Okay, that absolutely cracked me up. Now there 297 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: is a lot to unpack here. Firstly, as you mentioned, 298 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: and a lot of people commented in our Facebook group, 299 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: it sounds like her statement was written by chat GPT 300 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: or gools generated AI extension to me, it kind of 301 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: sounded like she wrote in write me a bad villain 302 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: speech for a Marvel movie, because there are a lot 303 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: of like weird things in there, particularly when she said 304 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: this in any case, feel free to continue speaking of me, 305 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: for it only serves to further my brand's mission and 306 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: success of global domination. Someone needs to tell us she's 307 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: only running a hair company. Like not to be rude, 308 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: obviously it's doing very well for itself, but how do 309 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: you get global domination from a hair company? It really 310 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: irks me how she pulled the old shouldn't women be 311 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: supporting women? She wrote? In this era of supposed women 312 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: supporting women and advocacy for equality in the workplace, It 313 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: is perplexing how these self proclaimed journalists and forum creators 314 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: of gossip only choose to acknowledge me when a baseless 315 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: narrative has been created. Can I just jump in and say, 316 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: if this is aimed at us, we're not self proclaimed journalists. 317 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: We all have a bachelor in journalism and also a 318 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: master's in journalism. We've worked in the journalism industry at 319 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: seven network, ten network for over seven to eight years, 320 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: so we are journalists mia. This is also why I 321 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: hate the whole women supporting women thing, because a comment 322 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: like that, trying to downplace someone's credibility, doesn't really seem 323 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: like women supporting women. If we're going to play that game, yeah. 324 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: I had a few favorite comments in our Facebook community 325 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: just to wrap things up on this topic. So someone wrote, 326 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: that's a lot of words to say I don't take accountability, 327 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: and someone wrote someone got a phosaurus for Christmas. I 328 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: also had a big laugh because someone compared this to 329 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: that episode on Friends when Joey is writing a letter 330 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: to the adoption board and is using a forsaurus and 331 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: he signs it baby kangaroo. 332 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you can't spell cats without ts. 333 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: In the last six months, Spotify exclusive podcasts with influencers 334 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: and content creators at the Helm have been disappearing from 335 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: our feeds. Trash Ali g Thanks, the Health Code Daily, 336 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: and out of Character with Millie Ford have all been 337 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: canceled without a proper explanation. It comes this week as 338 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: Spotify pulled the pin on Megan Markle's twenty million dollar 339 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: podcast deal. Now, so, since a pandemic, Spotify has been 340 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: on a recruiting spree seeking out podcasters and influencers to 341 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: create these Spotify exclusive programs. 342 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. 343 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: And on a local front, it really seemed like over 344 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: the past couple of years that Spotify have been trying 345 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: to seek out podcasters who were already on the charts, 346 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: and also influencers and content creators that they think they 347 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: could create a show around and for complete transparency. 348 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: We were actually. 349 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: Approached by the team at Spotify a couple of years 350 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: ago to discuss the possibility of doing a Spotify exclusive 351 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: spin off show, but that didn't come into fruition. They're 352 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: round out of money or they're clearly trying to bring 353 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: people over to Spotify, and it has been quite a 354 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: clever move getting these big name influencers, but it hasn't worked. Yeah, 355 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: I mean on a global scale. It was in twenty 356 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: nineteen that they really started aggressively expanding in the podcast. 357 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: Space and they put these massive deals. 358 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: On the table to entice podcasters and also big celebrities 359 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: to sign up with them. I mean, you've only got 360 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: to look at Joe Rogan. He reportedly got two hundred 361 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: million dollars for signing on an exclusive deal with Spotify. 362 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: There was, also, of course, call Her Daddy's Alex Cooper, 363 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: she reportedly signed a sixty million dollar deal, and as 364 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: you touched on Amy in twenty twenty, Megan Markle signed 365 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: a twenty million dollar deal with Spotify. See these sums 366 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: don't really add up, and I suppose that's why we're 367 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: beginning to see the cracks because while a lot of 368 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: people are going to be tuning into the podcast and 369 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: they can put a lot of ads in them, I 370 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: don't understand how they would be making back all that 371 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: money through sponsorship revenue. 372 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 2: So that's the thing. 373 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: They clearly spent a huge amount on talent in the 374 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: hope that they would get those ad dollars coming back in, 375 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: but this hasn't been the case for Spotify and they 376 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: are now scrambling to cut a loss. That's why they 377 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: are getting rid of a lot of these shows. And 378 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: on a local front. 379 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: We have seen a lot of Australian made. 380 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: Spotify exclusive podcasts disappearing from our feeds with really no explanation. 381 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: And I noticed this first happened at the start of 382 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: the year when Sarah's Day and her husband Kurt Teals 383 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: their podcast Their Health Code Daily. It didn't get renewed 384 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: for another season, and previously they had been creating these 385 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: daily podcasts for Spotify, yet no official announcement was made. 386 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: They just said, oh, we're going to take a break, 387 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: and then it never returned. And then suddenly Sarah was 388 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: speaking about how she was going to start her own 389 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: podcast away from her husband, and how it seemed to 390 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: be independent from Spotify. It will be interesting to see 391 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: if that is with Spotify or not. I get the vibe, 392 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: and this is only just a vibe that Spotify were 393 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: getting annoyed because it seemed like they couldn't keep up 394 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: with the demand of doing a daily show. Also, they 395 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: kept getting canceled for episodes. Now, the next podcast that 396 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: a lot of people are talking about that didn't get 397 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: renewed is Milly Ford's podcast called Out of Character And 398 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: for those who aren't across merely on TikTok, she is hilarious. 399 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: She basically portrays characters like teachers and mums and she 400 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: is so funny. 401 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: She has one point five million followers and she. 402 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: Launched her podcast with Spotify back in April twenty twenty two, 403 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: and it hasn't been renewed. The last episode aired on 404 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: the third of January. There was no official announcement about 405 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: what was next for the show if something else was 406 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: coming out. I was sad about that one. I enjoyed 407 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: her podcast now. Trash Alli is another casualty. The podcast 408 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: launched in October twenty twenty one and was hosted by 409 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: comedian Matt Hay and Mitchell Combs, who used to work 410 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: as a video producer for The Carl and Jackie Oh Show. 411 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: So in May, Matt announced that the show was over, 412 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: writing so yeah, it's over, Ova h cheers, Love, thanks 413 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: for the memories, the laughs, the guests, the gags and 414 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: the trash bags. How you're feeling after hearing this, You're right, Love. 415 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: He then continued saying seriously, though, I'm honored to say 416 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: I got to have a Spotify original podcast under my belt. 417 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: Working with Spotify has been fabulous and I'm very grateful 418 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: for the opportunity. He finished up by saying it sucks 419 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: that they won't be able to continue trash ally, but 420 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: hinted they may return in a different format. I feel 421 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: like there were a lot of in jokes for that podcast. Yeah, 422 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: I actually wanted to listen to it after reading that statement. 423 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: It is interesting because I wonder what the terms and 424 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: conditions are around these deals, because he's hinting that they 425 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: can't return as the name trash Ali and I would 426 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: assume that Spotify owns the exclusive rights to the shows 427 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: that they've come up with. I mean, we saw recently. 428 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: I think it was last year with Saffron Barker and 429 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: Anastasia kings North. They suddenly launched this new podcast which 430 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: had the exact same name of a former podcast of Spotify. 431 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: Did it they just kicked off the old hosts. I 432 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: also think that they can't use the Spotify platform to 433 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: announce what they're doing next, because obviously that then promotes 434 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: perhaps Apple Podcasts or one of their other rivals. Now, 435 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: a lot of listeners in our community are particularly sad 436 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: about this one. So G Thanks, which ran for three 437 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: seasons and launched in September twenty twenty, has also not 438 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 1: been renewed, and the podcast was hosted by Newcastle YouTubers 439 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: and sisters Georgia and Lily, and they announced the sad 440 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: news on Instagram this week. 441 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: Here's what they said. 442 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 3: G Thanks unfortunately will not be continuing for season four. 443 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 3: The fact that we got three seasons is incredible and 444 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: we're trying to focus on the positives here. We cannot 445 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 3: thank you enough for like listening and following along with it, 446 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 3: because it wouldn't have been renewed that many times if 447 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 3: we didn't have an amazing dedicated audience. Lately, we'd love 448 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 3: to see a massive thank you to all the lovely 449 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 3: ladies at Spotify that gave us this amazing opportunity now. 450 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: In their caption, they also mentioned that they have been 451 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: inundated with daily questions about what is happening with the 452 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: podcast and that they have been quiet whilst they have 453 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: been trying to work out the logistics. They said, unfortunately 454 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: they can't come to the listeners with any good news 455 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: at the moment. They did, however, hint that they may 456 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: start their own independent show, saying for now, this is 457 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: where g thanks will end, but we're excited for what 458 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: the future may hold for us in the podcast industry now. 459 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: In the comment section, Lily also replied to a distress 460 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: listener that it was not their decision, which I did 461 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: think was quite interesting. And it does also seem like 462 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: every podcaster is trying to reiterate how appreciative they are 463 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: of Spotify. I do wonder if that's part of the contract, 464 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: because the girls even mentioned in their goodbye message that 465 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: a producer had moved her whole life from Melbourne to 466 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: Sydney to work on the show. Show do you notice 467 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: so that Tony and Ryan's podcast they've been hugely successful, 468 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: and they have a Spotify exclusive. They're still kicking goals. 469 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: It just seems to be all the influencer led podcast 470 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: or YouTuber led podcasts. 471 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 2: I wonder if it's just. 472 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 1: Because they think, oh, they're going to pull in their 473 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: whole audience to listen, but just doesn't turn out that way. 474 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: It sounds bad, but I always assumed that these podcasts 475 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: were disappearing because influencers didn't realize how hard it was 476 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: to actually do a podcast and to be consistent, so 477 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, I'm tired of this. I did tune 478 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: into Charlotte Crosby's podcast the other day and it cracked 479 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: me up. In the intro, it's like every month I 480 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: drop a podcast. Now, there has been a lot of 481 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: talk for a few months now that Spotify is rapidly 482 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: losing money. So in April, Spotify announced its first quarter earnings, 483 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: showing that whilst paid subscribers are on the rise, they 484 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: lost two hundred and forty eight million dollars for the quarter. 485 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: Now in January, the company was also forced to lay 486 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: off a reported six hundred employees, which accounts for about 487 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: six percent of their workforce, and at the time the 488 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: media reported that the job losses and cost cutting measures 489 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: came as a result of Spotify going on a spending 490 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 1: spree during the pandemic, and this is when a lot 491 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: of these influencer led and celebrity podcasts were being commissioned. Now, worryingly, 492 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, Spotify announced that even more job losses 493 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: had occurred, and this time it directly affected the podcast division. So, 494 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: in a statement, the head of Podcasting and Business for 495 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: Spotify said, two hundred employees from the podcast division have 496 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: been laid off as they worked to restructure the department. Now, 497 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: as part of this restructure, Spotify will merge two of 498 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: its podcast studios. It seems pretty clear that Spotify has 499 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: invested so much into acquiring podcasts and it just hasn't 500 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: worked for them. They hoped it would bring in advertising dollars, 501 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: but it just hasn't proved a very successful exchange for them, 502 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: and it does seem like it really has been detrimental 503 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: to their bottom line. Now, a lot of these shows 504 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: that we touched on, as I said, lots of our 505 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: listeners in our community were devastated that they were going. 506 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: So it's not to say that these shows weren't popular. 507 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: I think it comes down to the volume of Spotify 508 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: exclusive shows that have been pumped out. I think it 509 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: also comes down to the fact that Apple does pull 510 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: in more listeners than Spotify. I know with our stats, 511 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners are actually on Apple as 512 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: opposed to Spotify, So I think they were probably hoping 513 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: to bring in the Apple audience by having these Spotify exclusives. Well, 514 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: basically a lot of these podcasts are cutting themselves off 515 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: from a much bigger audience. And you say that these 516 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: podcasts are popular, but it's really the top echelon of 517 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: podcasts that are making a lot of money, and a 518 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: lot of people then have to do their podcasts as 519 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: a passion project. I mean, you were saying that some 520 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: of these podcasts have been around for a couple of years, 521 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: but I think in order to be successful in the 522 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: podcasting space, you have to do it basically for free 523 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: for quite a couple of years. And these people obviously 524 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: were signed on big deals with Spotify and they're used 525 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: to already having money coming in, so then when they 526 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: have to go and do it in it's a bit scary. Well, 527 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: I think another one of Spotify's biggest issues is the 528 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: fact that their strategy has been centered on the premise 529 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: of exclusivity and also ensuring that their rivals don't get 530 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: their hands on really juicy content, which in turn forces 531 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: listeners in their minds to come over to Spotify. But 532 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: the issue is that the most newsworthy revelations that come 533 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: from some of these exclusive podcasts, they quickly get picked 534 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: up by different media organizations and it turn it into news, 535 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 1: so it then erodes any exclusivity that they get, so 536 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: the deals just don't seem to be worth. 537 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 2: It for them. 538 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: What did you guys think about that Spotify exit called 539 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: Bill Simmons coming out and saying that Harry and Meghan 540 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: were grifters on his own podcasts. I thought it was 541 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: pretty disrespectful and it seemed like a very bold claim, 542 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: like he was trying to get attention. 543 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: It seemed like I. 544 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: Think the word grifter was a little unfair, but I 545 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: can kind of see where he's coming from in the 546 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: sense that it makes your mind boggle that they can 547 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: earn so much money for doing a twelve part podcast series. 548 00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 2: That's the thing. 549 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: They didn't actually make the full twenty million dollars. They're 550 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: not going to get paid that full amount because they 551 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: didn't fulfill the whole contract. I'm not quite sure exactly 552 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: how much they are going to get from the contract 553 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: because it all seems to be quite private. That being said, 554 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: I totally disagree with his comment about them being grifters. 555 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: They wanted to release more content. Yes, it did take 556 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: Meghan a lot of time to get those twelve episodes out, 557 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: but that was to do with a lot of shit 558 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: going on, like the queen passing away. They had to 559 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: have a month's break for it to put out an episode. 560 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: And it's strange to me that Spotify didn't anticipate the 561 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: fact that people would be overhearing about Harry and Meghan, 562 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: particularly because their Netflix doco dropped before Meghan's podcast, and 563 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 1: I keep hearing people saying that the lemon has been 564 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: squeezed with Harry and Meghan, and it does seem that way. 565 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: I might not talk for everyone, but I actually am 566 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: thirsty for more content about them. I lap up anything. 567 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 2: That they're discussed on. I love hearing. 568 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: Okay, did you listen to Archetypes? Then I listened to 569 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: the first couple of episodes, but I actually forgot that 570 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: it was on because it didn't have that constant, you 571 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: know the day where you know it's being released. I 572 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: think the issue with the podcast was they may have 573 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: given Meghan and Harry too much freedom because all people 574 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: seem to be interested in it is a sort of 575 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: tit for tat, like the rumors about the royal family, 576 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: whereas Meghan's podcast was actually talking to other women. It 577 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: was more of an empowering podcast that people. 578 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 2: Were like, I don't want to look. 579 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: She did have little nuggets though, of little digs in 580 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: their eyes, a small thing, but she couldn't make any 581 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: more digs, particularly after the Queen died, and I think 582 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: that people really would want just a reality TV series 583 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: behind the scenes of their lives. I think Megan is 584 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: moving away from that though, because there's rumors she's signing 585 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: a big deal deal to be a model, and I 586 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: think that people probably will like that a little bit 587 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: more because it seems like everyone loves Kate Middleton because 588 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: she looks good and is quiet. Oh. I think the 589 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: public seemed to hate anything that Meghan does. I saw 590 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: they were saying that if she does that deal, she's 591 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: going to be potentially the biggest influence in the world 592 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: in terms of how much she can actually make on 593 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: that deal. Well, I think that's all we've got time 594 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: for today. Thanks for joining us for another episode of Outspoken. 595 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: If you do want to hear more from us, sign 596 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: up to be an Outspoken Plus member. We drop a 597 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: new episode for subscribers every Wednesday. This episode was recorded 598 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: on the traditional land of the Ghana people of the 599 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 1: Adelaide Planes. 600 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present,