1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was the final 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: week that was for twenty twenty three. And in the 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: studio with us this morning from the colp, we have 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: got Steve Edgington. 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 2: Good morning to you. 6 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 3: Oh, good morning Katie. And it's great to be here 7 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 3: in Darwin this morning. But you know, nice, nice and 8 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 3: rainy by the looks of straight sunshine and ten crake 9 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: and forty one degrees. 10 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking, is that weather a little bit 11 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: different up here in the top end today than what 12 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: you're experiencing at tenne Craik? 13 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet. 14 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: And we've got Kezier Puric, the Independent member for Goida. 15 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Keezier. 16 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 4: Morning Katie, Morning bush people, and came. 17 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: In this year with a phenomenal Christmas hat. I've got 18 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: to say, it's unbelievable and she and she did sort of. 19 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: And she did dance a little bit for us as 20 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: she walked into the studio with that phenomenal hat on 21 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: as well, and of course from the Labor Party, the 22 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: well Minister of a Territory firms also the member for 23 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: Karama Nari a Kid, Good morning to you, Nari. 24 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 5: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners, and thank you Kizier 25 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 5: for bringing me in that amazing hat. 26 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: Well, and I will say Nari is sporting some beautiful 27 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: Christmas earings and a hat as well. It's hard to 28 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: compete though with that noisy hat, is it? 29 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 6: You cannot compete? You don't even bother Katie. 30 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't even try. 31 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: Well, look, let's get into it because there is still 32 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: so much to cover off this week and generally it 33 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,279 Speaker 1: does get a little bit quieter throughout the final week 34 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: of the year in terms of broadcasting, but not this week. 35 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: And we know the Northern Territory Government making quite a 36 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: large announcement yesterday will an announcement about additional resources. 37 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: And I've just dropped my run sheets. 38 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: I'll just grab it quickly to let you know exactly 39 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: what's going on. But so basically, the government announced the 40 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: creation of a brand new NTI police division dedicated to 41 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: high visibility policing and social order response and enforcement. It's 42 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: called the Territory Safety It's being established immediately, with ten 43 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: officers already part of the TSD as it's called in Darwin, 44 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: and more than fifty to be part of that division 45 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: following further recruitment. They'll be based at the Nightcliff Police 46 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: Station and the TSD is going to focus on high 47 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: visibility policing in the Greater Darwin region with it's going 48 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: to focus on rapid response to alcohol related defending, anti 49 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 1: social behavior, and social order. The division is also going 50 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: to help, they say, ensure the safety of territories during 51 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: critical incidents and the public order or crowd management for 52 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: large gatherings or events. Now, the really obvious question here 53 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: is where are they coming from? 54 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 7: I think the first question is all those things you've 55 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 7: just read out, Katie, that's what police do anyway, well 56 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 7: to my way of thinking, and I'm sure to lots 57 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 7: of people listening to this show will think, aren't please 58 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 7: doing that already? Don't they respond rapidly to critical incidents 59 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 7: like a shooting or something of that nature. Don't they 60 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 7: respond to drunken behavior in public? Don't they respond? 61 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 4: Do this? 62 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 7: Aren't they high viz? You know, coffee with a cop 63 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 7: and you know they're out in the street. I see cars, places, 64 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 7: see haven't seen people on the horses for a while. 65 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 4: But please doing that already? 66 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 6: I mean, I don't get it. 67 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: Well, is this a response where just last week we 68 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: saw the situation We'll talk more about seeing your safety shortly. 69 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: But just last week on this show, we spoke to 70 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: the mother, well to Poppy Politis, who's the daughter, i 71 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 1: should say, of an eighty five year old woman who 72 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: was assaulted in Nightcliff in broad daylight by allegedly by 73 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: two twelve year old girls and a nineteen year old 74 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: who has been arrested and charged. But is this a 75 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: knee jerk reaction from a chief minister who wants to 76 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: keep her seat. 77 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: No doubt about it, Katie. You know, firstly, the first 78 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: thing they're going to have to do is get in 79 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: there and clean out the cob webs of this police 80 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: station because it certainly hasn't been used to this extent 81 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: since it's been there. But to have that based at 82 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: Nightcliff in response to that incident to the other week, 83 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: it just goes to show that this is more about 84 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: pork barreling rather than a police operation, because, as Kizia said, policing. 85 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: When it comes to policing, this is basic, basic policing, 86 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: back to basics, and this is what it should be 87 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: and ready, but this should be happening right around the 88 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: Northern Territory and it's not just nightcliff that needs this 89 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 3: full operation that's going on. So there's going to be 90 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: ten police officers based there at nightcliff, and to hear 91 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 3: that there's going to be a further forty there. 92 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 4: Where are they coming from? 93 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 3: Where are they coming from? Because, Alice, you've only got 94 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: to look at the annual report since what twenty twelve, 95 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, there's only been an additional twenty police officers 96 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: in the last ten years. And when I say police officer, 97 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 3: I'm talking about constable. So they're the guys that are 98 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: out on the front line every day of the week 99 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 3: doing the job. But there's only been an extra twenty 100 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: in real numbers over the last ten or eleven years. 101 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: May Marry, the people of your community have been calling 102 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: for a police station or a police presence, a permanent 103 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: police presence there for some time. How are you feeling 104 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: about the fact that it's going to be a nightcliff 105 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: rather than an area like Karama, which a lot of 106 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: people would argue is potentially more in need. 107 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 6: So a few things there, Katie. 108 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 5: Police already do a great job in responding wherever and 109 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 5: whenever they can, and I want to say thank you 110 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 5: for that. We do have a police station that's already 111 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 5: built in Nightcliff. It's not at full capacity, so there's 112 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 5: the space that we were able to move this team 113 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 5: already into, which is great. There are ten officers already 114 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 5: in the Territory Safety Division, as you've mentioned, and we 115 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 5: will continue to recruit more. We actually have recruitment going 116 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 5: on at the moment and we'll continue to do so. 117 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 5: And what's good about that, and Steve mentioned it, is 118 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 5: we actually have recruitment above our attrition level, so we 119 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 5: are adding those extra numbers in there. Kizzier, you mentioned 120 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 5: you know that police are already doing this, and shouldn't 121 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 5: they They absolutely are. But as a government and as 122 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 5: a police force, we're always looking at ways where we 123 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 5: can respond to the needs of the community. How do 124 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 5: we work smarter, not harder, and maximize the benefits out 125 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 5: of the workforce and the capacity we already have. So 126 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 5: Minister Potter has been working really closely with his agency, 127 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 5: the Police Force Commissioner Murphy, listening to their ideas on 128 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 5: how they can maximize their benefit with their resources they have. 129 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 3: I think the real question at the moment is ten 130 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: going in there. Where are they coming from? Are they 131 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 3: being pulled out of patrols out of dar and out 132 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 3: of Casarina, or people being pulled up from Catherine. Where 133 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: are these ten coming from? 134 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: It's a very good question. 135 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 3: A budget for this operation. 136 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 7: So they're going to be based at the police station 137 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 7: at night, clear, that's my understanding. 138 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 4: Nice, that's fine. 139 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 7: That means they're coming from somewhere else, So they're going 140 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 7: to be based there. But then they're going to go 141 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 7: out on patrol and do whatever they normally do and 142 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 7: response putting people back to paperwork. So really, to me, 143 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 7: it sounds like they're just moving, moving the chairs like 144 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 7: you were over there in that station Palmeston or. 145 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 4: Dal and where about it? And now you're going tobody night. 146 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 3: What happens if they actually arrest somebody. 147 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 4: They'll be taking outstae. 148 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 3: So you've got ten police I don't they say? They 149 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 3: out and about tomorrow they arrest three or four people. 150 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 3: Potentially they're off the road for half the day processing 151 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: people out at Palmest. 152 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to make sure that we 153 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: catch up with the Northern Territory Police Association president Nathan Finn. 154 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: He's going to be joining us on the show this 155 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: morning just after ten o'clock. So we'll hopefully find out 156 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: a little bit more from his perspective and exactly what 157 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: the goal is where those police officers are you know, 158 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean he's not going to have those operational sort 159 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: of details. That's something we'll have to get from the 160 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Commissioner in terms of finding out exactly 161 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: where they are coming from and how it's all going 162 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: to work. But look, they're the biggest things that I'm 163 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: hearing from the community right now is where exactly are 164 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: they going to come from? Are we robbing Peter to 165 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: pay Paul? Are we sort of you know, taking them 166 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: from another area to move them into this location? And 167 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: is it a bit of pork barreling for the Chief 168 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: Minister's seat. They are some of the things that have 169 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: been raised since the announcement was made yesterday. And I 170 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: think really the thing that the Northern Territory government's grappling 171 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: with at the moment is while there are announcements being made, 172 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people are feeling as though it's tinkering 173 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: around the edges. And in addition to that, it's reactive. 174 00:07:58,840 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 4: Yes, I think too, Katie. 175 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 7: I mean I've mentioned it before this the concept is 176 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 7: the fact that the governors had to do this indicates 177 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 7: that there's a serious issue in our community, which we 178 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 7: know is a serious issue in our community. I'll give 179 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 7: you example of how particularly older people seeniorr territories. I 180 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 7: went to a couple of probost lunches recently for Christmas, 181 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 7: and at one of them, a woman who. 182 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 4: Is well known in the territory. She's retired. 183 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 7: She said she went to Casina the other day and 184 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 7: this woman was not a shrinking violet, you know. And 185 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 7: she said that when she went to put her stuff 186 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 7: in her car, she was obviously an underground area. Two 187 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 7: lots of two two's came and started to circle her. 188 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 7: They were indigenous youth and they were girls and a 189 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 7: couple of boys. And then a couple nearby saw what 190 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 7: was happening. So she came over to her and said, 191 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 7: we will just stay with you for a while. And 192 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 7: she said, that is really lovely. She said to me 193 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 7: at this lunch, she said, I will never go to 194 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 7: Casarina again. She said she really believed they were going 195 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 7: to menace her and I either steal stuff from her 196 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 7: because she'd done. 197 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 4: Shopping and she'd have a handbag or whatever. 198 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 7: But if it hadn't move for that couple right there 199 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 7: at that time to come and stand with her, I 200 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 7: have no doubt she would have been attacked. Now she said, 201 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 7: I will never go to Casuarina again. Now that's indicative. 202 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 7: A couple of the other ladies who are on the 203 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 7: table with me, they said, no, we don't go. 204 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: To casual well, which is really like, it's a really 205 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: terrible situation because you know, I've been to Casuarina I 206 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: reckon three times this week trying to get my Christmas 207 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: shopping done. 208 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: But you're, well, that's right, and I've not had an issue. 209 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: But when seniors are worried about that kind of thing, 210 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: and when you do have incidents that are occurring, like 211 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: what happened to, you know, to the great grandmar last week, 212 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: this is when people do become worried. 213 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: They become worried and they change the way that they're 214 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: doing it. 215 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 7: Says Katie long time ago, months ago on this show 216 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 7: is escalating and things will come to a time when 217 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 7: it will be we haven't even got to the crisis level. 218 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 4: I don't believe. 219 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 7: I think it's still coming. And people are being attacked 220 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 7: in broad daylight Katie. 221 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: The sad thing is that it's not just Casarina the 222 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: same thing. And you know, I've been approached by elderly 223 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: people that have been surrounded outside their vehicle outside the 224 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: Ida and Chanet Creek. So now we've had examples of 225 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: a seventy three year old in TenneT Creek has been 226 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: broken into ninety seven times. So we've had a just 227 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: last year and eighty four year old broken into twice, 228 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 3: not to the ground by a younger people. And it 229 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 3: seems to me that there's more and more focus on 230 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 3: the vulnerable people in our community and something needs to 231 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 3: be done. So having ten people based at Nightcliff, for 232 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 3: You've got to ask the question is that really the 233 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: priority at the moment because this is happening right around 234 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 3: the territory. Putting fifty people into what do they call 235 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: it a safety division, we've got escalating domestic violence, break ins, 236 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 3: elderly people being targeted right around the northern territory. Is 237 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: that really the best use of resources at the moment? 238 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 7: And also the response time, Like if the people are 239 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 7: physically based at Nightcliffe and they have to respond to 240 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 7: incidents in Parmesan which happened regularly, you know that's a 241 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 7: twenty minute drive. Twenty five minute drive like Cave sirrens on, 242 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 7: you might get there a bit quicker. So I'll be 243 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 7: interested to hear from the police associations, even the Police 244 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 7: Commissioner loses they did in regards to response times going 245 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 7: from nightclift to where the incidents and the accidents and 246 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 7: the social upheaval is actually occurring. 247 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, there's plenty of messages coming through on the 248 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: text line about this, and we did speak more about 249 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: senior safety as well. On Monday morning, we caught up 250 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: with Sue Shira from the Council of the Aging, the 251 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: CEO of the Council of the Aging, and she did 252 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: speak about the fact that we have got people in 253 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: some instances coming in from communities. 254 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: Running a mark or not doing the right thing, and. 255 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: She did question whether the land councils have a part 256 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: to play in terms of educating and in terms of 257 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: bringing in the elders to sort of try to educate 258 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: some of the young people or some of those people 259 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: that are doing the wrong thing. 260 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 2: Nari, what do you think about that approach? 261 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 5: To hear about these incidences is just absolutely disgusting and 262 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 5: shocking and that's not okay by any stretch, especially if 263 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 5: you're targeting, like you said, Steve, vulnerable members. 264 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 6: Of our community. 265 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, and so the Territory Safety Division's focus is about 266 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 5: working smarter or not harder, with the resources we have. 267 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 5: What we've got to make sure we do is and 268 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 5: will continue to do, is rings Barkley. They need localized responses. 269 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 5: They're the police officers on the ground operationally who know 270 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 5: the community, not those up here in the northern suburbs 271 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 5: of Darwin, and so making sure that this adds value 272 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 5: to everything that's going on. 273 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 6: It's not the be all and end all. Palmerston is a. 274 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 5: Bit of a drive away, as you said, Keysier, but 275 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 5: there will be a response locally and this will come 276 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 5: over the top of that is my understanding, Katie. We're 277 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 5: continuing to focus on not only ensuring that those who 278 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 5: are displaying appalling behavior threatening others, physically assaulting others are 279 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 5: held to account. That is number one. Number two is 280 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 5: actually as a Minister of Territory Families, I'm always looking 281 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 5: at what leads a young person under the age of 282 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 5: eighteen to behave the way they do, so that we 283 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 5: can learn lessons and prevent the next generation becoming there 284 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 5: in regards to leadership, absolutely leadership, and for those that 285 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 5: are coming in and misbehaving in our urban centers, it's 286 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 5: not on it's not okay, and no one calls that okay. 287 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 5: So working in partnership not only with our land councils 288 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 5: but every other Aboriginal organization, this is a team effort 289 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 5: to ensure that people who are doing wrong are supported 290 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 5: to do right, to stay out of harm's way, especially 291 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 5: their kids, and to do better going forward. 292 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that at this point that 293 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: there are and I don't want to point out any 294 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: particular organization or anything like that, but are we being 295 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: let down in some areas here? 296 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 6: I don't have enough information about that. 297 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 5: That's part of my new role as making sure that 298 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 5: I'm engaging with all of those even those who people 299 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 5: wouldn't think would be directly responsible, but giving people the 300 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 5: opportunity to be a part of the solution. There is 301 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 5: a clear role for all of us to play in 302 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 5: this space, to hold people to account, to educate people 303 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 5: from communities before they end up in urban centers about 304 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 5: community sentiments and that kurama is different. 305 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 6: To what air. 306 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's exactly right and making sure you do 307 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: behave yourself when you're here. 308 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 3: That's a big thing, Katie. We are being let down 309 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 3: at the moment. We've been let down by the Labor 310 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 3: government because when we start talking about land councils, we 311 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: start talking about communities, we start talking about a territory 312 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 3: safety division. This is all reactive stuff at the moment. 313 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 3: What it really highlights is the lack of plan to 314 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 3: bring down crime in the Northern Territory. I always talk 315 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: about this quite regularly in Tenant Creek right across the 316 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 3: Northern Territory. There is no overall plan to bring down 317 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 3: crime in the Northern Territory. To bring down crime, everybody 318 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 3: has a role to play right across the Northern Territory. 319 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 3: It needs a whole of government, whole of community approach. 320 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: There's no leadership in the Labor government at the moment. 321 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 3: All of these agencies need to be brought together. Everybody 322 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: needs to be held accountable. Everybody has a role to 323 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 3: play unless we have a documented plan and everybody is 324 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 3: held accountable for doing their part. And everybody has a role, 325 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 3: including land councils, like we just spoke about. This is 326 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: what's missing in the Northern Territory. There is no plan. 327 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: Labor has no idea at the moment. 328 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 5: So as a Minister for Territory Families, I absolutely refute 329 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 5: that we have some really strong leaders in our communities 330 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 5: and you would know all too well in the Berkeley region, Steve, 331 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 5: about those people who are stepping up every day to 332 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 5: ensure that their community is led from the front and. 333 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 6: Led by example. 334 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 3: There is no plan. 335 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 6: That's the Minister for Territory Families. 336 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 5: My job is to ensure that my attention and the 337 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 5: government's attention, and it is not just on those who 338 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 5: are offending at the tail end. It is preventing crime 339 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 5: before it starts, because prevention is better than cure. Well, look, 340 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 5: I'm happy to send you all of the document's flight 341 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 5: Department has created support. 342 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 3: Feesh sitting at the table. There is no regular meeting, 343 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 3: there is no plan. You've got a piecemeal approach right 344 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 3: across the Northern Territory. Get a plan together, get everybody 345 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: at the table, just because you believe them together and 346 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 3: collaborative approach to tackling this. 347 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a very quick 348 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: break coming your way next. Keen to talk a little 349 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: bit more about those changes to the takeaway opening hours 350 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: at our liquor stores or aut our takeaway liquor stores 351 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: and the impact that it's possibly had over the last 352 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: couple of days. 353 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: We'll see. 354 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: Well, it is the week that was the final week 355 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: that was for twenty twenty three, and we began this 356 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: week with the new time change trial aiming to curb 357 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: alcohol related harm. It began on Monday, as we all know, 358 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: so you weren't able to purchase or you're no longer 359 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: able to purchase your alcohol at ten am, you'll have 360 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: to wait until me day. It was indeed announced earlier 361 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: this month and according to the government requested by the 362 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Commissioner. Now the Chief Minister has signed 363 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: that Section eighty eight declaration under the Liquor Act which 364 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: will alter the bottle shop opening times in Greater Darwin 365 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: including Palmerston and parts of the rural area. So basically 366 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: Monday to Friday, those training hours for sale of takeaway 367 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: liquor will change from ten am until twelve noon. Interesting 368 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: to see whether it makes much of a difference. It 369 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: is a trial, of course, that's going to go until 370 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: the twenty fifth of January and then it's going to 371 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: be reviewed. It has been met with criticism by hospitality, hint, 372 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: businesses and some politicians over that lack of consultation and 373 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: of course the loss of hours for staff ahead of Christmas. 374 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: That's something that we spoke about. 375 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 7: Yes, ten hours and often I've mostly going to b 376 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 7: bottle shops. They're usually younger people because it's a job 377 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 7: that they can start to get money in the bank 378 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 7: to buy. 379 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 4: Their first union, students whatever. 380 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 7: There's a few old chooks and old ducks there too, 381 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:07,239 Speaker 7: but good ten hours. So it's roughly if you work 382 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 7: it out, it's roughly about to I've got a girlfriend 383 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 7: and her daughter works at the bottleshop. It's roughly two 384 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 7: hundred and fifty dollars a week out of their pay packet. 385 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 7: Now they may pick up ours somewhere else in the 386 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 7: company or wherever they work, but that's not the point, 387 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 7: you know, the lack of consultation, Well, there wasn't lack. 388 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 4: There was no consultation. 389 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 7: They have done no research because this has been done before, 390 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 7: as we mentioned off here in the mid nineties it 391 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 7: did not work. Then it may have a small impact 392 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 7: on cutting supply. I'll concede that because there'll be some 393 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 7: who just can't get their boosts and they give up 394 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 7: and go home or whatever, but the vast majority will 395 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 7: still find access to alcohol beverages at ten o'clock in 396 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 7: the morning called front bar of the various establishment in Darwin. 397 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: And that's something that you know, that's something that hospitality 398 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: had raised with us, that you know it would be 399 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: a situation, and they'd actually said to us. And I 400 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: have been told this by a couple of different sources 401 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: now that in Alice Springs, for example, that yes, but 402 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: not having those the takeaway out let's for two days 403 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: does make a difference. But it hasn't actually made a 404 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: difference from what I have been told to the amount. 405 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: Of alcohol that's sold. 406 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: So it hasn't actually seen a reduction, but it's seen 407 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: people maybe change the behavior their behavior to some degree 408 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: in the way in which well I'm not one hundred 409 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: percent sure or whether they you know, or whether they 410 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: are just drinking later in the day or drinking at 411 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: different times. 412 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 4: Or the week. 413 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 7: If they have money to buy this is Alla Springs, 414 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 7: they have money to buy alcohol on the Monday and 415 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 7: the Tuesday they've got that money. So perhaps what they're 416 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 7: doing is stockpiling on the Sunday with the money they 417 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 7: would have spent on the Monday on a Tuesday. 418 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 4: I don't know, but you're right. 419 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 7: I've heard stories too that it has had a positive 420 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 7: impact like a production in the consumption and then related 421 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 7: you know, flow and EFIX hospital emission since o forth. 422 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 4: But you don't know that not enough research went into this. 423 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 4: I don't believe. Yes, the police commissioner asked them to 424 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 4: do it. 425 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 7: Well, the police commission probably asks them, recommends lots of 426 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 7: things to the dominent, and they may not do it 427 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 7: sometimes or they may do it sometimes. So to say, oh, 428 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 7: the police commissioner requested, therefore we're going to do it, 429 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 7: to me, it's a bit of a cop out. No 430 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 7: disrespect to the police commissioner. Wise man, very clever man, 431 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 7: and good at his job. But the government just says, oh, well, 432 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 7: the police said we should do this. So the police 433 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 7: say we should, you know, raise the driving license from 434 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 7: sixteen to eighteen. Now are they going to say, oh, 435 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 7: the police commissioner sad, we've got to get young people 436 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 7: off the roads and make it eighteen before we can 437 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 7: do we need to try something. 438 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: Though, Like the thing is, we all bitch and moan 439 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: every week. You know about the different issues that we've got. 440 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: So do we need to try something and whether this 441 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: is the right thing or whether it's something else before us. Well, 442 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: it's still January twenty. 443 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 4: Five, and then what are they going to do? 444 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 2: Well, good question of you, the pilot. 445 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 6: So you're absolutely right, Kady, So bring the normal. 446 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 5: We're going to review how this works and the wall, 447 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 5: assess the effectiveness on it, if we need to tweak it, 448 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 5: keep it in place going forward. So government has to 449 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 5: be responsive to the needs of the community. We can 450 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 5: see the damage as you know all too well, that 451 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 5: is being impacted widely throughout the community from those who 452 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 5: are problem drinking. We have a whole group of people 453 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 5: who are causing issue for everyone else, and that is 454 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 5: not fair. Sometimes vulnerable people need to be saved from themselves. 455 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 5: But I see it every day in Carama. I've had 456 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 5: a lot of conversations with local residents. We're excited about 457 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 5: these changes. I've spent two days this week and last 458 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 5: week down and Alla Springs, had a good chat with people. Again, 459 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 5: I've heard about the impact that's had on police. So 460 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 5: if police are on the front line, they're there to police. 461 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 5: We don't want them babysitting people who are intoxicated, especially 462 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 5: going into Christmas. So really looking at the effectiveness of 463 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 5: this going forward and we'll review that in January. 464 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: How well, what kind of measures are going to be 465 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 1: looked at though to see whether it is working? Are 466 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: you going to be looking at sort of the emergency presentations? 467 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: Are you going to be looking at the volume of alcohol? 468 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: Like what exactly is the government going to be looking 469 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: at to determine whether it. 470 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: Has or has not worked? 471 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 4: What are the KPIs? 472 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's you know, because if you stop the bottle 473 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 7: shop hours from ten to twelve, but people still want 474 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 7: access to alcohol, so they go into the pub. So 475 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 7: are they going to be looking at the consumption levels 476 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 7: within the establishment versus the drop of sales within the 477 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 7: bottle shops? And then how are they going to get 478 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 7: the industry to provide those figures? 479 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: You know? 480 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 4: So there's I'm sorry interrupted kdie but ye. That's the 481 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: thing though, is how is actually going to measure you know? 482 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 6: Well? 483 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: I agree, yeah, that's and I think that's such a 484 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: good point, Like I do think that that is such 485 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: a valid thing that we need to look. 486 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 7: As are you going to relate that directly to the 487 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 7: alcohol that you couldn't get booze at levels, and so 488 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 7: the big thing from there. 489 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 5: I think we possibly can to determine whether or not 490 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 5: this has actually had a benefit for you know, people 491 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 5: in the Dawn region, which is exactly what we. 492 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: I think the really big thing for me at the 493 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: moment is we're making a lot of changes when it 494 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: comes to alcohol. And we know that alcohol is a 495 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: massive you know, it can be a massive scourge, and 496 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: we have a lot of alcohol related issues. But then 497 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: when we look at things like the crime statistics, it 498 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: doesn't really drill right down into whether something is an 499 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: alcohol related crime if there's a break in where alcohol 500 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: is stolen, or if there is you know, I mean, 501 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 1: I'm going to assume that you know a lot of 502 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: times where there is people committing crimes that they are 503 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: sometimes the influence of. 504 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 2: Drugs or alcohol. 505 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: But are we able to then dig down a little 506 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: bit deeper into some of those crime statistics, some of 507 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: our hospital admission statistics and make them public so that 508 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: people actually do have a really fair idea of just 509 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: the impact that either drugs or alcohol are having, because 510 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: then they might come along for the journey a little 511 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: bit more when changes like this do happen, Katie. 512 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 3: The reality is that right across the Northern Territory. I 513 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 3: think it's interesting to see restrictions coming here in Darwin 514 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: because we've been subject to this for many, many years, 515 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 3: particularly in the Barkley down in all of Springs. But look, 516 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 3: the reality is prohibition will never work, and what we've 517 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 3: seen over the last seven years under this Labor government 518 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 3: is a steady increasing crime. Now we've seen different restrictions 519 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 3: put in in Tenant Creek, right across the Barkley as well, 520 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 3: and one of the challenges is where do you start 521 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 3: and stop when you put in restrictions. And the government 522 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: still hasn't got it right when it comes to putting 523 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 3: in restrictions right around the Barkley. The boundary is just 524 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 3: some boundary that's arbitrarily been put in place by the government. 525 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 3: But the reality is that when it comes to crime, 526 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 3: we've seen a steady increase in crime. The Riley Report 527 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 3: came out in October twenty seventeen, and really what Riley 528 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 3: was saying is that there needs to be a more 529 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 3: holistic approach to tackling alcohol issues right across the Northern 530 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: Territory and the thing that I believe is missing it 531 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 3: gets down to education, treatment and rehabilitation. They're the things 532 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 3: that are missing. We keep I shouldn't say we. This 533 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 3: is the laybor government keeps tinkering around the edges when 534 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 3: it comes to prohibition, more and more restrictions. We know 535 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 3: that prohibition creates more crime, secondary supply, and more serious crime. 536 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 3: That's what we're seeing across the Northern Territory at the moment. 537 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: We need to start tackling the real issues, and that's 538 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 3: dealing with the problem. 539 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 6: Drunks, and we continue to do that. 540 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 5: And again coming back to the Territory Safety Division and 541 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 5: the important work that they're going to be doing. But again, 542 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 5: alcohol is a huge issue right across the Northern Territory 543 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 5: and we will continue to look at measures that can 544 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 5: be applied to keep people safe. Unfortunately, you know, decisions 545 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 5: made by government will adversely impact those who are played 546 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 5: by the rules and doing really you know, doing the 547 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 5: right thing when they're drinking alcohol. But it is those 548 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 5: who are unfairly impacting everyone else. We will continue to 549 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 5: work on education, stiff We will continue to help vulnerable 550 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 5: people to make better decisions and to support them, you know, 551 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 5: to stay on the right track and away from harm's way, 552 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 5: but where their impacts are being felt, then they need 553 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 5: to be tackled appropriately as well. 554 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: Look, one of the other announcements that did come out, 555 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: well it was actually Friday morning last week, but we're 556 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: really you know, we've sort of been going through it 557 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: a little bit more throughout this week is the co 558 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: responder model for youths, which the Northern Territory Government really 559 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: went a bit more into a bit more detail into 560 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: in Alice Springs on Friday last week. So essentially at 561 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: risk youth found by police on the streets at night 562 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: without a responsible adult are going to be taken to 563 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: a safe under a new initiative which was announced so 564 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: from earlier this week, experienced child protection workers from the 565 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: Department of Territory, Families, Housing and Communities will be located 566 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: alongside police at the Alla Springs police station and at 567 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: a central safe place in Palmerston. Now, when police see 568 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: a child on the streets without a responsible adult and 569 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: there are concerns for the child's well being, the police 570 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: can make contact with the child protection worker and transport 571 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: the child to the police station or a safe place. 572 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: If they can't quickly locate a responsible adult. Now, the 573 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: big questions here, I think are pretty similar to the 574 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: ones that we had earlier about the other announcement that 575 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,959 Speaker 1: was made yesterday by the Northern Territory government around the 576 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: new Territory Safety Division is where are those staff coming 577 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: from from territory families. I guess one of the really 578 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: big questions is why wasn't this happening already. 579 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 5: So as a new minister, I've had the opportunity Katie 580 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 5: as alongside Minister Brent Potter to have a look. But 581 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 5: the things that are already in place, the initiatives already 582 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 5: in place, and again, how do we work smarter, not harder. 583 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 6: How do we make sure that there. 584 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 5: Are those synergies between territory families and the response to 585 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 5: young people and vulnerable families as well as a police 586 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 5: response and safety of the individual of our community is 587 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 5: absolutely paramount. So we've been talking to our agencies, to 588 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 5: stakeholders and just trying to find a way where we 589 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 5: can better protect the community. And so this is what 590 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 5: the corresponder is. So there is I was very clear 591 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 5: in my interview the other day about the shortage in 592 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 5: my department that is there are shortages and workforces. 593 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 6: Right around the country, which is really sad. 594 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 2: Many are we We're about. 595 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 5: Thirty percent department in the department, so as we say, 596 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 5: it is enormous and that's why we continue to look 597 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 5: to recruit and to ensure that we work smarter, not harder, 598 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 5: and so the coresponder model Katie will be looked after 599 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 5: from within. So we have an incredible workforce of child 600 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 5: protection staff within the department and they have finalized the roster. 601 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 5: We have two child protection workers overnight, two who are 602 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 5: a part of the corresponding model, so in the police 603 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 5: station and Alice Springs to receive the custody of the 604 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 5: young child and in the Goida Center Safe Place, which 605 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 5: is a former police station in Palmerston. 606 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to go through and find out 607 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: what our numbers are within territory families. 608 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: I'm just very quickly having a look vacancies. 609 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 3: Is it is that what one hundred and thirty hundred 610 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 3: and forty vacancies? What's the number? 611 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 6: I don't have the number off the top of my head. 612 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: Well, from what I can see from these are from 613 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: what I can see from this is from twenty twenty 614 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: it looked like there was nine hundred odd staff within 615 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: territory families, But I'm just trying to find a more 616 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: updated figure. 617 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 2: Just those three hundred, well, it would be a. 618 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: Massive number, but I'm just trying to go through and 619 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: find that in the annual report and I will try 620 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: to do that. But look, you know, however you look 621 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: at it, it would have a huge impact by not 622 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: having that those full staffing levels. Again though, I'll say 623 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: I do think that this is a good idea. I 624 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: do think it's a good idea to have Territory Family 625 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: stuff on twenty four to seven or there and readily 626 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: available to actually assist if there are kids that are 627 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: out on the street. 628 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 3: You know. 629 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: I guess the really big question though from so many 630 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: people is like where, you know, what are we doing? 631 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: What's the department doing? What is territory families doing? Though, 632 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: when you've got a situation where kids are out on 633 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: the streets stealing vehicles as we've seen in Alae Springs 634 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: for example, ramming police cars is something that we've seen 635 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: out of Central Australia, you know a lot of people 636 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: saying where, like where are territory families in. 637 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 5: Those customers and Katie so trying to identify those who 638 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 5: are at risks to offending and supporting them through their 639 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 5: families and other incredible youth service providers to help them out, 640 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 5: you know, stay out of the path to risk and 641 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 5: stay back on track when young people are offending. That 642 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 5: is ensuring that there are plans in places that they 643 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 5: are held to account for their behavior and they have 644 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 5: they to learn right from wrong. It's a really interesting 645 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 5: space to learn more about how an adolescent underdeveloped brain 646 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 5: and ensuring that they received the messages in the education. 647 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 5: It's also supporting families. So territory family's number one goal 648 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 5: should be and should always be, to support families to 649 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:17,719 Speaker 5: parent their children. 650 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 2: What are sad and that's the thing happening. 651 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: Look, I do want to just raise the fact as 652 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: well that the age of criminal responsibility. People are still 653 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: really pissed off about this, whether you. 654 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: Know, whether we want to believe that or not. 655 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 4: Under that age that's right. 656 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing. 657 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: But even in the situation and I've referred to it 658 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: a few times now, but even in the situation that 659 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: we've spoken about last week with the grandma, the eighty 660 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: five year old and what she'd been through. Two of 661 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: those people were allegedly twelve years old. That's not the 662 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: first time that we've heard a situation like that. We 663 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: spoke to Leah Bennett earlier in the year and she 664 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,959 Speaker 1: had been the victim of, you know, a terrible assault 665 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: in our CBD, again at the hands of young girls, allegedly. 666 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm telling you now, my kids are 667 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: twelve and ten, and they know right from wrong. And 668 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: I know that that comes down to the way in 669 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: which I'm teaching them and and the way in which 670 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: they are you know, they are being held to account. 671 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 2: And given responsibilities. That's exactly right. 672 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: And I do not pretend that you know that my 673 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: children are living the same life as what a young 674 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: person in a very different situation may be in. But 675 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: we cannot continue to pretend that children do not know 676 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: that what they are doing is wrong. If they are 677 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: belting someone, it's not okay, and we shouldn't be in 678 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: a situation then where you've where you know from my understanding, 679 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: and please correct me if I'm wrong, But from my understanding, 680 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: it is then a voluntary response or a voluntary program. 681 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: If somebody under the age of twelve is committing what 682 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: many would deem to be a very serious offense. 683 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 5: So all young children under the age of eighteen are 684 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 5: followed up through my Department of Territory Families. Because they 685 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 5: are young people. They all must be held to account 686 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 5: for their actions and have the opportunity to learn right 687 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 5: from wrong so they don't end up in the big 688 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 5: house as an adult defender later on. So for those 689 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 5: we did raise the age of criminal responsibility to twelve, 690 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 5: that means that eleven and ten year old's now coming 691 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 5: to the attention and those who are younger are followed 692 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 5: up through the Department of Territory Families. So I understand 693 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 5: and I've heard the rhetoric about we've dropped a young 694 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 5: person home to a responsible adult. 695 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 6: There's not a full stop after that. 696 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 5: Territory Families goes out and engages with the family. We 697 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 5: create a safe plan so that we can support the 698 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 5: parents to parent make sure that your young child is 699 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 5: learning right from wrong, and if you need a hand 700 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 5: to do that, we fund some incredible services to be 701 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 5: able to do parenting plans. We can help with referrals too, 702 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 5: so bring up shelters and financial management, all of those. 703 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 5: So we look at a whole suite of issues that 704 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 5: may have led to the offending. 705 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 6: Of the young person. 706 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: So right now, if a kid does commit in offense, 707 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: if they are engaged in let's I don't want to 708 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: go into an actual example because I know I'll be 709 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: told that you know that we can't, like we can't 710 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: go into an individual's case. But let's say that a 711 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: kid is involved under the age of twelve in the 712 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: assault of a person. Are they then forced into some 713 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: kind of program or are they or is it mandatory 714 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: or is it optional. 715 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 5: That's all the things that I'm looking at at the moment. 716 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 5: So all of the questions that you guys are raising, 717 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 5: which is really great, I've already asked them and pose 718 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 5: them to the department. 719 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 6: As a new minister, my job is to. 720 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 5: Ensure that there is accountability for the actions of every 721 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 5: young person under eighteen. Where it differs is those that 722 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 5: are under twelve and still in the responsibility and the 723 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 5: guardianship of their parents or caregivers, and so working very 724 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 5: closely to ensure there is an appropriate response. There is 725 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 5: that accountability and the opportunity to learn right from roles. 726 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 2: So do you think it should be mandatory? If I 727 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 2: do I do do absolutely. 728 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 7: That's legislation, the Youth Justice Act, and we've spoke about 729 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 7: this before. The Youth Justice Act says it doesn't say 730 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 7: it's mandatory. 731 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 4: It says. 732 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 7: The child has to volunteer and the consenting adult or 733 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,959 Speaker 7: guardian has to consent to the rehabilitation progib not compulsory. 734 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 3: But the Youth Justice Act doesn't apply to young people 735 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 3: under twelve because they're not criminally responsible. So the issue is, 736 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 3: you know, we've got to stop beating around the bush. 737 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 3: There's no mandatory program for a child under the age 738 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 3: of twelve years old that's committed the criminal offense. The 739 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: government said that they would put in place programs when 740 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 3: they dropped the age of criminal responsibility. The reality is 741 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 3: where are they? We've heard back on track. Look, there's 742 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 3: been family responsibility agreements around for years, and I've often 743 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 3: said this to the government and the former minister. Where 744 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 3: are they? Why aren't they being used? We even got 745 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 3: accused of getting rid of family responsibility agreeants, But as 746 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 3: I pointed out to the Minister a couple of years ago, 747 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 3: she actually had regulations in place preventing them from being 748 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 3: used in remote areas, which she didn't know about, but 749 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 3: the reality is there's no accountability at the moment, no 750 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 3: way to hold anyone accountable for an offense if they're 751 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 3: under the age of twelve. 752 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 5: I completely disagree with that statement, Steve. So we have 753 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 5: on the right track for offenders who are of criminal age, 754 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 5: and we have on the right track for those who 755 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 5: are under a voluntary or so we have Care and 756 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 5: Protection of Children Act, and that is to ensure that 757 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 5: children are safe and their dat and so our job 758 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 5: is to ensure that we work with the parents and 759 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 5: those who are the guardians of the young people to 760 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 5: ensure that they learn life. 761 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 6: I'm wrong. 762 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 5: They are accountable for all of their actions, and we 763 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 5: would love to see these young kids stay out of 764 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 5: the offending pathway so they don't become an eleven year 765 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 5: old who's sent a twelve year old charge for the 766 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 5: same events. 767 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: And I understand all of that, but I do think 768 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 1: the question that Steve is asking is one that the 769 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: community really does want to know the answer to are 770 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: they voluntary or are they mandatory? 771 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 5: I understand that they're voluntary at the moment. However, the department, 772 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 5: through their operations and we have some of the most 773 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 5: amazing child protection workers who will make an assessment of 774 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 5: a young child. 775 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 2: Do you actually need to change, do you want that 776 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 2: to change? Do you think it should be managed? 777 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 5: They're all the questions that I'm looking at, Katie, because 778 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 5: I want to make sure there is a pathway of 779 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 5: accountability for child, including those under twelve. So that's what 780 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 5: I'm looking at very strongly. 781 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 6: I'm a strong. 782 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 5: Believer by nature. I don't like telling people how to 783 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 5: live their lives. I don't like that as a nunny 784 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 5: states on my background, you know. So I'm looking at 785 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 5: ways where I can provide two options to people and 786 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 5: say to them, it's not mandatory you get one of 787 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 5: these options, but you'd want to pick the one that 788 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 5: actually helps you, because then you get all the support 789 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 5: of government and agencies, you get the opportunity to say 790 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 5: sorry to those you've offended. I'm really looking at ways 791 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 5: for people to pay for the damage they've caused, willfully caused, 792 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 5: and then learn that and then have a really good 793 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 5: story later on when they're a productive adult. So that's 794 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 5: absolutely stuff I'm looking at Katie's. 795 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 7: I listened to what Ni is saying, and it would 796 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 7: be good if we lived in an idolistic and real world, 797 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 7: a realistic world, but that reality is we don't and 798 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 7: the fact a lot of these people will choose not 799 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 7: to do the program or their supervising parent adult I 800 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 7: should say adult, whoever that may be may or may 801 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 7: not be interested because the family is already dysfunctional. Well, 802 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 7: and it will be voluntary. I think it goes to 803 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 7: the heart of what the problems are with this governent. 804 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 7: Sometimes people say, oh, you know, we don't have enough money. 805 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 7: And it's not that you don't have enough money, it's 806 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 7: how you allocate the money and direct it to where 807 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 7: it's needed most. 808 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,720 Speaker 4: And it's the same in our prison systems. 809 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 7: There's no rehabilitation programs pretty much going on in there. Well, 810 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 7: there is some, I shouldn't say that there are some, 811 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 7: but there's nothing that's happening to all the people on remark. 812 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: I do want to give a bit of feedback as well, 813 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: though I've had a friend whose son was on the 814 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: wrong track. He was absolutely on the wrong track. They've 815 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: gotten through it, thankfully, because he does have the support 816 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: of his parents, absolutely wonderful people. But what she has 817 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 1: said to me is that she had to fight, kicking 818 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: and screaming to be able to get him into any 819 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: kind of program because they were not there. There was 820 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: not enough places, And if you actually want to get 821 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: them into one of those programs, you know, in a 822 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: lot of cases, it's a lot harder said than done. 823 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: And she said that that is from a parent who 824 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: absolutely wanted her child to go through and force their 825 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: child through those programs. So then if you are in 826 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: a situation where your parents maybe aren't as inclined to 827 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: push you down that path, how can we then expect 828 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: a kid to go all right, Well, this isn't mandatory, 829 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: but I'm going to take that responsibility that I've not 830 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: taken previously. 831 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 2: That's right. And look, and I you know, like, I'm 832 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 2: not saying. 833 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: That the government can fix everything, because there has to 834 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: be responsibility from parents taken as well and individuals who 835 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: are breaking the law. But I think if we're able 836 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: to make it easier, if we've got enough places to 837 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: be able to get kids into these programs and to 838 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: genuinely try to get them on the right track rather 839 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: than just talking about it, I would hope that it 840 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: makes a big difference. And I can see that you're 841 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: being sincere in what you're saying, Nai, I do think that. 842 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: You know, it's pretty clear to me that you are 843 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: keen to get stuck in there and try to make 844 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: some change. But bloody hell, I hope we can next 845 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: year because it's just it's gone too far. 846 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 3: The reality is there needs to be more focus around 847 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 3: early intervention and prevention and hearing from the police. Minister, 848 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 3: there will be twenty four to seven round the clock 849 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 3: intervention and support through child protection. Look, there's clearly not 850 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 3: enough of this happening. You know. I go back to 851 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 3: the Barkley Regional Deal, and you know the Barkley Regional 852 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 3: Deal was signed back in April twenty nineteen. One of 853 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 3: the initiatives in there was Crisis Youth Support and Safe 854 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 3: Places and Accommodation for young people at risk. Now three 855 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 3: million dollars was allocated to that particular initiative, but when 856 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 3: I ask questions about that estimates, the Minister knew nothing 857 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 3: about it. So this is what I'm getting at. We've 858 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 3: got young children at risk on the streets, and when 859 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 3: I talk about young children on the streets in Chenant Creek, 860 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 3: I'm talking about the impact of liquor restrictions as well. 861 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 3: What we're seeing is the government decided that they'd put 862 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 3: in restrictions from four till sorry, trading ours four till seven. 863 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 3: What's what that's actually doing is pushing people to go home, 864 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 3: take their alcohol home. And when there's adults in the 865 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 3: house drinking from four till seven, where do you reckon? 866 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,720 Speaker 3: The kids are what's pushing them out on the street. 867 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 3: So we're seeing unintended consequences coming from government decisions that 868 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 3: are pushing kids out on the street at risk, overcrowded homes. 869 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 3: There's an initiative in the regional deal, three million dollars allocated, 870 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 3: but the government still hasn't touched. 871 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: We are unfortunately going to have to take a really 872 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,280 Speaker 1: quick break. You're listening to Mix one O four nine's 873 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,919 Speaker 1: three sixty. It is the week that was Gee, there's 874 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: been plenty to cover off on this week, and I 875 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 1: do want to ask you all for your take on 876 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: the fact that the Northern Territory Opposition leader has now 877 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: promised to establish a lobbyist register for the jurisdiction if 878 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: elected to government next year. So it does follow on 879 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 1: the pledge does follow on from MLA Mark Turner referring 880 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister Natasha Files to the NT's corruption Watchdog 881 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: over her hiring of a political of political consultant with 882 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: ties to gas lobbying. So we spoke about this throughout 883 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: the week. Mark Turner joined us throughout the week. I 884 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,399 Speaker 1: think that this is a fair enough, fair enough point 885 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: then for the opposition to make that they're prepared to 886 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: establish this lobbyist register. 887 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 2: What do you make of the situation? 888 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 3: Oh, I think it's interesting that it's been referred to 889 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 3: the IKAK. You know, what I would say is that, look, 890 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 3: it's before Okay. Now, what I'd like to know is 891 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 3: is the IKACK commissioner going to be investigating this? And 892 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 3: I think there's a couple of issues here. We've heard 893 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,760 Speaker 3: estimates this year they're already one point four million dollars 894 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 3: less in their budget from the previous year. So I'd 895 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 3: like to see the KACK commissioner come out now make 896 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 3: a statement is he going to investigate this or isn't he? 897 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 3: I don't think this can go on and on and on. Week. 898 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 3: We still haven't seen the results of the travel roots 899 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,399 Speaker 3: from Michael Gunner at the previous election, so that we're 900 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 3: approaching nearly four years of the Michael Gunner travel routs. 901 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 3: Here we are with more issues being referred to the IKAK. 902 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 3: I'd like to see the IKACK Commissioner come out make 903 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 3: a clear statement, yes I am going to investigate this, 904 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 3: or yes I'm not. If he can't investigate it, why 905 00:40:59,280 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 3: can't he? 906 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: Oh? I think that's a fair point, because otherwise it 907 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: can be used as a like as a bit of 908 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: a political wedge. You know, no matter no matter what 909 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 1: side of politics you sit on or where you sit 910 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 1: on the political spectrum, you know, if you're unsure if 911 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: something's being investigated or if it is being investigated, if 912 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: it has been referred, but then no one sort of 913 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 1: knows the outcome she is, you know. 914 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 3: One point four million dollars less than the previous year. 915 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 3: Does the government want the IKAK to look at corruption 916 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 3: in the Northern territory or allegations of corruption in the 917 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 3: Northern Territory or don't they? I think the commissioner needs 918 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 3: to come out tell us if he's going to investigate 919 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 3: or not. If he hasn't got the resources to do it, 920 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 3: that's going to be an issue as well. But I 921 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 3: think we need to have a clear understanding what's going 922 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 3: on in that ICAC office. Given the number of issues 923 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 3: that have just been referred to him. 924 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 7: You won't find that out. I find it interesting that. 925 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 7: I mean, Mark Turner could have referred the Chief Minister 926 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 7: of the IK and just not blabbed about it. 927 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 4: I mean, why do people have to come. 928 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 7: Out and say, I've referred to you know, the Chief 929 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 7: Minister and some of the others to the KAK for 930 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 7: what clearly seems to be a massive conflict of interest. 931 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 7: So let's assume the IK Commissioner does investigate it. 932 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 4: I mean, a. 933 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 7: Pretty average person will work it out. Yeah, he'll come 934 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 7: back and he'll say, yep, how was the man employed? 935 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 7: He was employed this way? Perhaps you missed these kind 936 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 7: of processes. Perhaps you didn't do due diligence. Perhaps your 937 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 7: governmance is not quite right with the staff in your 938 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 7: chievements office. Massive conflict of interest, get it sorted out? Well, 939 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,919 Speaker 7: what else is he going to find out? 940 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,840 Speaker 3: You know, like I has he got the resources to 941 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 3: do well? 942 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 4: That's right? 943 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 7: I mean how long is it going to take? You know, Look, 944 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 7: everyone's pretty trigger happy. You know, as soon as something 945 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,240 Speaker 7: happens wrong within the Chief minister department or the office 946 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 7: or the government whatever, I. 947 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 4: Got to go to IK. 948 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 2: Politicians are held to a higher stand. You know, we 949 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:39,879 Speaker 2: all have that. 950 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 7: I have no issue with that, but you know, really 951 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,400 Speaker 7: the pressure should be on the Chief Minister, by the 952 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 7: opposition and others, to say, you need to come out 953 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 7: and explain, Chief Meness, exactly why, when and how you 954 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 7: employed this fellow. Did you know that he had this 955 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 7: connection in the business world, did you know that he 956 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 7: was a lobbyist, and if you did, how did you 957 00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,760 Speaker 7: then manage it within your office? I mean the pressure 958 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,320 Speaker 7: should on the Chief Minister to explain. 959 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 2: I think they're fair points. 960 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 7: Not to get some other fellow who's already in undated 961 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 7: with complaints from people who are trigger happy sending things. 962 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 3: To ik Well, I think the pressure is already there. 963 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 1: There. 964 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 5: So you know, we did set up that IKAK with 965 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 5: good reason and it's an independent authority who can go 966 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 5: through and investigate any of the referrals that come their way. 967 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 5: And so that's really important, is that independence of the IKAK. 968 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 5: And number two, my understanding is mister Richardson his company 969 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 5: did some work for a gas company that was time limited. 970 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 6: It's over and done with. 971 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 5: I'm fully supportive of a lobbyist register if it helps 972 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 5: with scrutiny going forward and territorians get to understand what 973 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 5: a lobbyist register is. 974 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 6: I'm happy to have a look at you. 975 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,240 Speaker 2: Cabinet colleagues agree. 976 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 6: I haven't spoken to them recently, but it's a conversation. 977 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,359 Speaker 5: I've had previously as sneaker looking forward just again, how 978 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 5: can we add another layer of scrutiny. And I agree 979 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 5: with you, Katie, politicians should be continue to you know, 980 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 5: continue to. 981 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,839 Speaker 6: Be held to a higher account because of the roles 982 00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 6: we hold. 983 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 1: We are going to take a really quick break before 984 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: we get ready to wrap up for the morning. You 985 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty. 986 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 1: It is the week that was. What an hour it's 987 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,840 Speaker 1: been and has absolutely flown by, and it's been a 988 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 1: massive year. Thank you all so very much for your 989 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,759 Speaker 1: time this morning, but also all throughout the year. I 990 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: know that well that a few of you are heading off, 991 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 1: of course to the state funeral for Samuel Bush Blenasi today, 992 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 1: so I'll let you all go. Steve Edgington, thank you 993 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: very much for your time this morning. 994 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,960 Speaker 3: Thanks Katie, it's been great to be here. Thanks for 995 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 3: all the coverage during the year, it's been fantastic and 996 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 3: putting the Barclay back on the map through. Your show 997 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 3: has been terrific. 998 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 2: Thank you much appreciated. Kezia Puric, thank you, heany for 999 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:42,800 Speaker 2: all for your time. 1000 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you, it's been been fumping in here. I 1001 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 7: also want to do a shout out to all us 1002 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 7: Christmas babies again. Of course, Christmas babies, BRIANO Gallagher, I 1003 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 7: know you're out there, Alderman, Brian Yeah, Fionly Young, Chris 1004 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,280 Speaker 7: Young's wife, she's a Christmas baby, and of course. 1005 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 4: My mother she's miss Babe. 1006 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Christmas babies, wonderful stuff. I'm on air still 1007 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: next week, so feel free to call through and give 1008 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: him a shout out again. 1009 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 4: No Christmas, give us let. 1010 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 2: Us know, ni I kid, thank you so much for 1011 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 2: your time this morning. 1012 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 5: Thank you Katie, and thank you to your entire team 1013 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 5: at Mix. And Merry Christmas to everyone around the territory. 1014 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 2: Stay safe absolutely, thank you all.