1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: If you want to know what's happening on the local 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: political landscape, Katie Wolf has it covered on three sixty 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: every One is Listening Mixed one oh four point nine Well. 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: Yesterday, the Independent Commissioner against Corruption Ken Fleming QC released 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: a report into findings of corrupt conduct against a former 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: principle of Milling Gimby School in central arnam Land. He's 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: also made a series of recommendations relating to oversight and 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: governance of remote schools now. The IKAK report found that 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: Miss Jennifer Lee Sherrington benefited from her position as the 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: principal of Milling Gimby School by misapplying Department of Education 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: and Milling Gimbi School Funds Council Funds Sorry, misusing debit 12 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: cards and exploiting the lack of guidelines and department oversight 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: for the Principal's initiative cost code Now. In a response 14 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: which has been issued to the NT News, Miss Sherrington 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: denied the allegations and the preliminary letter from her legal 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: representation read Miss Sherrington had a coagant and well an 17 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: explanation for each and every allegation which explains which explanation 18 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: she gave in great detail to her examination. Her answers 19 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: are all available to be reading the transcript and in 20 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: her documents supplied at the end of her examination. However, 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: the contents of the report, the legal letterses or that 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: draft report confirmed she has simply not been heard. So 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 2: that's a response that she's provided or her legal team 24 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: are provided to the paper. But Commissioner Ken Fleming has 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: recommended that the department urgently review its approach to school autonomy, 26 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: budgets and resourcing and properly scrutinize future funding. Now, the 27 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 2: IKAK also urged the department to audit school attendance figures 28 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: for fraud and to review all government employee housing tenants 29 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: to make sure that they are indeed eligible. Now joining 30 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: me on the line to talk more about the situation 31 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: is the NT Principles Association President Brittany Rostenberg. 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: Good morning to your Brittany. 33 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. 34 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: Now, Brittany, what was your reaction to that report? Firstly, 35 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: so the. 36 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: ICAQ report based on the findings is disappointing, but I 37 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: am sure that this is an isolated case. 38 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that was going to be the next thing 39 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: i'd ask, are you concerned that it's not just a 40 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: one off. 41 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: No, I'm confident that this is an isolated case. We 42 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: have got amazing, incredible, dedicated principles doing a job in 43 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 3: very complex environment, particularly in our remote communities, and there 44 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 3: are a number of policies and checks and balances in 45 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: place that our principles are following. 46 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: Now, when it comes to the recommendations which are in 47 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: this ICAC report, are there any which need to happen 48 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: as a matter of urgency. 49 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: I have spoken to the Department of Education and they 50 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 3: are taking the recommendations here and I think that they 51 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 3: will be looking at all of them and just making 52 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 3: sure that we're working with principals cogso, just to make 53 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: sure that we're following all the processes and policism, that 54 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 3: we've got the right support in place for all of 55 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 3: our principles. 56 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: Brittany, I mean, does this situation place a cloud over 57 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: all of the principles in the Northern Territory, particularly those 58 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: that are in remote schools. 59 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: It has the potential too, but I think we need 60 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: to focus on the amazing job and the amazing results. 61 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: We've got a very strong focus on everyday counts and 62 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: there are some amazing stories of success and really high achievement, 63 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: particularly around U twelve completions and a lot of our remotes. 64 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: I think we just need to focus on the good 65 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: side of this. 66 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: I mean, have we got a situation though, where principles 67 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: in some remote areas are given too much freedom. 68 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think principles are given a 69 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: level of amy and the majority of them are doing 70 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: the best they possibly can to make everyday counsel all 71 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: of our students. 72 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: I mean, does it, potentially, though, I suppose, expose how 73 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: vulnerable our regional schools are and can be if you know, 74 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 2: if somebody wants to do the wrong thing. 75 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 3: I think it highlights that we need to make sure 76 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: that we do have the right support, particularly where we've 77 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: got less experienced people in our remote community. So just 78 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: making sure that the system level support is there for 79 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 3: those people. 80 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: Do you think that there was enough support in this instance. 81 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 3: I can't comment on the level of support, but I 82 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 3: know that the majority of our members and I certainly 83 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: as a principal supported by the system, and there are 84 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: people there within the Finance Department to reach out for 85 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 3: support and particularly with cogso they're very supportive. 86 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: Has there I mean or has this and or will 87 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: it have an impact? 88 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: Do you think on kids not only I suppose at 89 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: this school, but other remote schools in the Northern Territory. 90 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I think the message from 91 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: department about government money is very clear that it needs 92 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: to be spent on our cohort of students and really 93 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: striving to be the most improving system, and that's what 94 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: we do. 95 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: Brittany. 96 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: Have you had the opportunity to reach out to the 97 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: school out there in Millan Gimbi and how are they 98 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: all going upon seeing this report come out? 99 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 3: I haven't yet, but I will be reaching out. But 100 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: I know that there's a team around the community and 101 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 3: the leadership team out there. So I have a very 102 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: strong prince of out there at the moment, and I'm 103 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 3: sure he'll do an amazing job working with community. 104 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: Brittany. 105 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess to any of the parents out 106 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: there listening this morning, who'll maybe thinking, goodness me, you know, 107 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: how do we wind up in a situation like this 108 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: where something like this has happened and you know where 109 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 2: we end up with an IKACH report into a school 110 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: principle in a remote community. I mean, what would you 111 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: say to those parents that are concerned about a failure 112 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: in the system. 113 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 3: The department will respond to the recommendations and we'll continue 114 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: to make sure that we have the right people in 115 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 3: the right jobs, providing the right support to principles, with 116 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: the right checks and balances. 117 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 2: Well, Brittany, I really appreciate your time this morning. Brittany 118 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: Rosenberg from the NT Principals Association, the President, thank you 119 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: very much for having. 120 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: A quick chat with us. 121 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: Have a great day. 122 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: Thank you too. Thank you