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Speaker 1: Assaulting her in.

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Speaker 1: that there would be a rise in airfares. It's on

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Speaker 1: the cards for Quantus customers if the cost of jet

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Speaker 1: fuel remains high. That warning comes in the airline September

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Speaker 1: market update and it's got people riled up once again,

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Speaker 1: and rightly so, particularly if you live in a regional

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Speaker 1: part of Australia or somewhere like the Northern Territory where

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Speaker 1: it already costs you an arm and a leg to

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Speaker 2: What do you think needs to happen here, oh.

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Speaker 3: Katie, I know the flights in and out of the

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Speaker 3: territory are their exorbitance. You know, you just have to

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Speaker 3: go online to look to try and make a trip. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I know families just can't afford it, you know,

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Speaker 3: like we're in school holidays and in speaking to lots

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Speaker 3: of families they've chosen not to go away for this

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Speaker 3: school holidays because it is literally too expensive. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we have the ariple C report, you know, into the

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Speaker 3: actions of these airlines like Quantas, and yet you know

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Speaker 3: where are they starting to implement the changes that were recommended.

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Speaker 3: I know here in the territory, we were always advocating

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Speaker 3: that we want the cheaper flights want more capacity here,

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Speaker 3: and you know it's only going to get worse if

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Speaker 3: Quantus can't sort this out. So yeah, I'll be keeping

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Speaker 3: a really close eye on that because the last thing

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Speaker 3: we need is to have even more cost added to

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Speaker 3: an already exorbitant way to try and get in and

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Speaker 3: out of the territory.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I mean, the trouble for Quantus doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem to be going away. As I mentioned that pressure

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Speaker 1: is mounting now for the chairman, Richard Gord, to stand down.

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon needs to happen? Do they need

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Speaker 2: a new board?

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Speaker 3: Look? I think with every organization they need to take

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Speaker 3: a good hard look at what their consumers and customers

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Speaker 3: are saying. And you know, if that needs to be revisited,

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Speaker 3: then they should do that. But at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, my fight is to try and get territorians,

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Speaker 3: you know, a fair go when it comes to flights

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Speaker 3: in and out of the territory. I mean Quantus, the

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Speaker 3: NPT stands and all the territory and you know, we

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Speaker 3: feel like we have been left behind time and time

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Speaker 3: again with Quantus, and that's where my fight bees is

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Speaker 3: to say, well, you need to take a good hard

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Speaker 3: look about the cost of airfares in and out of

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Speaker 3: the territory, because you know, we can't be treated like

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Speaker 3: second like class citizens here.

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Speaker 1: Marie Claire Boothby, we are going to have to leave

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Speaker 1: it there. Good to speak to you this morning. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Katie, thank you