WEBVTT - Lisa Hedley: Psychospiritual Counselor and Hand Analyst 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.279 The title of your show is definitely a big attraction. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:13.960 Michelle the Witch of Moon's Lane and Moira Major. 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:17.080 How of Witch Bitch. 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.560 Hello, Witches, welcome to how To Witch Bitch. I was 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:25.720 not gonna say hello, bitches, because that's not too nice. 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.880 Michelle the Witch of Moon's Lane, Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello. 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:32.600 Now today I'm super excited. We are joined by Lisa 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.760 Headley from the UK, and we need she's going to 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:39.160 be talking about many things, shadow work, hand analysis. She's 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.400 got some absolutely fascinating stuff. 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:41.720 Wow. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:47.320 And she also delves into a little bit Betters. Yes, 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:48.559 this is gonna be fun, all right. 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.080 Also, we need to say a big hello on t. 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:59.520 Tickety Dockety Dickity Doug Leyson Cree, sparkle Pie, Jessica j Kirk, Unicorn, 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:03.960 Hayes Aromas, Oh my goodness, I love that on Instagram 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:09.080 Veronica Elliott, Flick Dunn, Shaddon Gardner, and Catherine HG. 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:10.480 Cathu. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:12.280 Now a couple of weeks ago, well, we were joined 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.679 by Patro who had a reading and she gave us 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:16.840 a bit of an update. Now, she was talking about 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.319 wanting to get a community to get together, so she 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.360 really wanted to share with us that she's started a 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:28.160 mother's circle called Moon Mother's Collective, also joined a mediumship 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.960 circle instead of practicing taro again. But it's always been 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:33.959 a goal of mine to help other women, especially women 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.679 in crisis. And hearing that reading back, as in the 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.160 reading that you did for her, I think I may 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.760 have been coming through to basically push her in the 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:42.319 right direction. 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:44.200 Brilliant, which is sensational. 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.319 Also, other people don't know how they find us, but 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.840 our vibe kicks them up the ass. That's Rebecca Johnson. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:56.200 You are so welcome. Also, we're still getting comments about 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:00.560 the penis. I was literally listening to this at work 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.440 and was trying so hard to audibly not laugh out 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:05.320 loud in front of everyone, because you guys had me 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:09.520 cracking up. Thank you, whimsy. Someone else that I have 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.560 no idea why I'm here, but I'm here for it. 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:17.000 Thank you algorithm. And yes, so a lot of it's 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:17.839 been great. 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.840 Life is turning to shit after she must have gone. 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.120 And done it. 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.359 Oh goodness, she's actually not just doesn't have her name there. 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.680 Okay, So that's also feedback from when we were doing 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.840 mirror and reflection work as well. Oh well, and oh 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.560 my goodness, we've got quite a very long, unnecessary review 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:40.320 that's actually the subject title, but five stars, so thank 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:44.400 you very much. Recently came across your podcast up in. 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.799 The north of Scotland. I'm glued. 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.960 I listened to it in the car and generally feels 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.040 like I'm on the phone to friends. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:51.239 It's such a good light vibe. 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.240 And we might actually have to get in contact with 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.600 Emma because she sounds like she's or she's taken a 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.120 lot of time to her sister went to a medium 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.160 and told her that my and I are witches. We 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.720 all love at the time. Wow, okay, I think we 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:07.040 also random. I do have a third nipple. Okay, definitely 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.800 we're locking Emma in with the third nipple because you 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.200 said that witches have three nipples, didn't you. 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.240 Yeah, maybe a mole, but hey, whatever works. 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:17.840 I have them all in the middle of my back. 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.040 You do, that's a third, but you also would have 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:21.280 one here. We've already looked. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.200 We've already looked at that. You did you have a podcast? 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.359 Your yours is in the back because you kind of went, nah, 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.040 I don't want to, Oh, okay, then do it quick, 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:31.320 and I got you on the back just as the 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.320 way you were moving, just as you were going out 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:33.920 through the ether. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:39.760 All right, Today, Lisa Hedley, psycho spiritual counselor, transformation advisor 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:44.080 and hand analysis with over thirty nine years of spiritual practice. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.720 We're doing this via zoom. We're very, very excited to 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.440 have a chat with her. Also talking about inner child 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:53.560 trauma and handle analysis sounds absolutely fascinating. And she also, 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.000 on top of all of that, speaks about shadow work, 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.200 which we've discussed several times on this show, and that's 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:00.960 what we're going to stop. 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:06.280 Yes, I personally, I think shadow work is absolutely essential 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.840 because if we're not confronting those unconscious parts of ourselves, 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.520 we're not moving towards our awareness of wholeness, you know, 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.000 we're not moving towards our fullest potential. I like to 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:20.120 remind people that the shadow is not just those parts 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:25.640 of ourselves that we have deemed, you know, as problematic, 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:32.040 are difficult, or or ugly. The shadow is also full 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.960 of a lot of beautiful content. It's basically anything that 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:39.760 we've relegated to the unconscious because it was deemed unworthy. 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.880 And those of people who usually deem it unworthy are 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.560 not us, right, they are our family of origin. They 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:51.960 are our teachers, they're perhaps our preacher whoever. They're the 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:56.840 ones that tell us what is and isn't acceptable, and 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:01.520 so we start to create those limitations, you know, inside 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:05.719 ourselves and what we think is acceptable. So really, when 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.880 you're starting to excavate all the shadow, you're bringing a 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.360 lot of positive parts of yourself to the light. Right, 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.920 it's really important to remember that. I like to remind 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.600 people that lots of people are very creative. But because 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:24.719 creativity in certain ways has not been has not necessarily 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:34.599 been deemed positive or you know, lucrative, perhaps a lot 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:38.040 of people will do things like become an attorney or 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:42.159 an accountant because that's where they're going to make a living, 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:45.200 when in fact they have a creative spirit and they 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:49.320 have relegated their creativity to their shadow side. And so 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.039 it's very important, I think, to get in touch with 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:55.559 all of those contents, because then you really can become 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.080 who you are authentically, right when you start to open 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:03.360 up to what you have been hiding away, and first 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.360 you have to give yourself permission to step away from 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.240 all of that outside and doctrination that told you you 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.599 weren't enough for those weren't good qualities or they're unacceptable, 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.159 and then you have to really start to love that 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.760 part of yourself. And how else do we get back 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:19.800 to wholeness if we're not getting in touch with what 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:23.240 we have, you know, we've hidden away. We have to. 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.600 I think it's I think it's absolutely essential. 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.279 So I don't know if you can see Moyer's hand 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:29.960 if she put it up, but could. 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.000 Can you see her my hand? Yeah? Oh okay, oh. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.479 It's up there? Is it more like palm reading? Is 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:36.520 that what you're doing? 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:41.640 So hand analysis does have its origins in ancient palmistry, 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:48.000 but it now has decades of neuroscientific and psychological research 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.360 to back it up. We now know that there are 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.720 more connections between the hands and the brain than any 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.560 other part of the body, and the sensory cortex is 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:59.799 sending signals to our hands constantly, so they become discernible. 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.000 Mare is when you know what you're looking for. I 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.800 don't actually know palmistry, so I know that there's some 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:11.520 overlap there, but I'm not in the prophecy business. I'm 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:16.280 in the patterns business, right, So with hand analysis, we 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.800 use the entire hand. It's not just the palm. We 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.640 use the fingerprints. We use the entire shape of the hand, 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.360 the length of the fingers, the length of the falanges, 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.240 the length of the palm. I mean, it takes into 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:32.360 account the entirety of the hand. Yeah, the fingerprints. That's 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:37.680 where we find our sol psychology in the fingerprints. The 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.920 fingerprints are fully formed in utero by fifteen weeks, so 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:46.120 before even born, we've already decided what our life purpose is, 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.200 our life lessons and our life school. And then those 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.680 do not change over the entire duration of our life. 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.200 Whereas the rest of the hand is where we find 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:59.680 the personality psychology, and that can change. That can change radically. 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.520 If you change direction in your life, you can you 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.920 can have all kinds of different changes take place in 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.720 the rest of your hands, which either reinforce the soul 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.680 psychology or deny it. 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.360 Okay, so here is this is my hand. 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:17.800 Look, you have a dragonfly tattoo. 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.400 I do too, do you? 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:24.840 Oh my gosh, pretty much, Yes, I have too. Actually 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:26.520 I've got another one on my foot as well. 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:28.760 That's so amazing. 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.200 Yeah, the dragonfly is a is a beautiful representation of 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:33.479 morpho metamorphosis. 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.319 Yes, absolutely absolutely. 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.080 I have to be able to see the lines. 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:40.160 Yeah, that's going to be too hot, isn't it. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.520 Yeah, it's not clear enough. But I would be very 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.439 happy to look at your hands. If you guys were 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.240 to send me photos, I would be happy to look 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:51.720 at your hands and give you a bit of a reading. Yeah, 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:54.960 because it's it's really fun to know. I love this 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.480 tool not only because it helps me see the shadow, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.440 but because it also helps me see the gift. And 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.240 I love being able to simultaneously empower people's gifts while 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.840 working through some of the more challenging aspects of their lives. 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:12.480 They're starting to use. It's still an emerging field, right, 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.800 there's still a lot of research that's underway. They're starting 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:21.400 to use it in medicine to detect for things like disease, 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:27.640 and I don't know how soon that will be accessible 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:31.040 to you know, to the mainstream, but that information is 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:35.360 really interesting. If we can get a hold of a 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.280 hold of that, you know, if you know you have 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.880 a marker for cancer, you could be alert. 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:41.400 Yeah, right, absolutely. 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.080 The other thing that's really interesting is you can reverse 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.480 engineer someone's face from the characteristics in their hands. 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.439 How do you what do you mean. 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.240 If we didn't know what your face looked like. We 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:59.120 could take the characteristics of your hands and we could 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.320 plug them in to a computer and it would it 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.400 would bring your face up. Oh my god, I know 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:06.160 it's mind blowing stuff. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:10.680 Now, wow, that's completely bulging. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.679 Now I'm looking at my hands very differently because I'm like, 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:14.480 where's my dessert? 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.280 Che And it's so funny because over the years I've 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.120 had people they find out I'm a hand analyst, and 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.120 some people just you know, shove their hand in my 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.120 face like here, have a lot tell me, and other 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.240 people just then they sit on their hands. They're like, nope, never, 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:29.839 never going to show you anything. Right. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:31.840 They don't want because I don't want to be sane. 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:32.959 Isn't that interesting? 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:34.400 They're not willing. 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.640 You've described yourself as a psycho spiritual counselor can you 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:39.600 describe what that means. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:46.240 It means that while my work has aspects of clinical psychology, 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:51.960 it also is spiritual in nature in that I'm very intuitive, 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:57.280 and I don't believe that the good therapeutic work should 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:01.199 be devoid of intuition. I feel like it's really important 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.560 for us to not only as a practitioner, be guiding 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:10.120 people back towards their truest self, but also helping them 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.960 access that truest self so that they know how to 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:18.400 trust their own wisdom. And clinical psychology. While I was 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:22.600 interested in going in that direction, having spent a lot 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:27.120 of time in therapy myself, I often felt like I 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.760 was treading water, to be honest. As much as the 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.000 therapy was helpful, it was years and years of therapy, 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.320 and I thought, Okay, what are we missing here? Clinical 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:42.800 psychology is book knowledge, right, They're applying various strategies from 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.640 a mental perspective, and that will take you far, but 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.880 it will only take you so far. At some point 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:53.520 you have to start bringing a measure of body awareness 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:59.120 into the process. And what is the mind, right, If 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.120 it's not just brain, but it's also a measure of 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:07.160 emotional intelligence. It's a measure of bodily awareness. And let's 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.800 be perfectly honest. We are multi dimensional beings, right we 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.120 have We have all kinds of perception that is beyond 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:18.920 our senses, and trying to tap into that was really 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.520 important to me. I wanted people to heal on all 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.080 levels basically because I needed to heal on them. 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:25.880 I was going to say, is that because I'm knowing 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:30.360 and noticing child trauma, emotional frozen patterns, all that kind 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.360 of stuff. You said that you spent many years in 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.400 therapy as well, and I know a lot of people 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.920 get into counseling and therapy as a profession if they 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.199 have gone through trials themselves. 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.280 So that sounds as though that's a very familiar story 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:43.600 to you. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.199 It is. I had a decade of eating disorders as 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:51.400 a child. I had various traumas that I had to heal, 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:58.080 and obviously, therapy was the most readily accessible form of 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.480 healing when I was a kid. I mean, I've been 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.440 at this for a very long time, so back then, 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.800 therapy was kind of your only option. But in my twenties, 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.760 I took up yoga and I've been practicing now and 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:14.600 I'm on my third decade, fourth decade practicing a long time. 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.640 And when I started to really get into things like 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:23.359 yoga and meditation, I started to see the value of 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:27.600 opening up various healing modalities, and then I wanted that 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.280 to inform my work. I did yoga teacher training with 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:36.200 the intention of adding that into my therapeutic practice, and 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:40.160 all of the systems that I studied be that astrology, 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.840 the gene keys, the enneagram, the Meyers break system. I 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:49.480 looked into a lot of personality assessment, and I arrived 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.840 at hand analysis because it was the most concretely predictive 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:58.040 system for expediting the healing process because it shows us 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:02.560 our soul and personalities cologies. So for me, it really 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.520 was a question of how do I heal myself? And 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.760 how do I do that? Not just from a psychological perspective, 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.560 but how do I do that from a holistic perspective? 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:12.839 Right? 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:17.080 Everything about me needs to be healed. And so I 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.560 started to apply those frameworks to my work after I 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.960 had done the work on myself, so I couldn't really 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.440 pigeonhole myself into psychology because it felt really important to 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.840 take into account all these other things that I knew 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.440 to be true and I had learned along the way, 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.000 and intuition being the most important, I think. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:36.640 Yeah, definitely. 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.560 Do you think that different personalities or different star signs 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.960 handle trauma and things differently? And how the planets are 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.000 with the we were talking about before, with the areas 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.440 being coming at at one hundred miles an hour at 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.200 the moment, especially with all those planets lined up in it. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.520 Do you feel that when you've been working with people, 0:14:56.560 --> 0:15:00.480 there are differently certain astrological signs that come in that 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.360 will heal a lot quicker than others, and others just 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:04.440 find it difficult. 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.760 It's funny that you say that because I was watching 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.200 I was watching something on YouTube the other day featuring 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.960 Dolores Cannon. I don't know if you're familiar with her work, 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:21.640 and she was talking about astrological signs and how old 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:27.160 those souls are. Right, that certain signs are show signs 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:30.320 of being significantly older souls than some of the other 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:35.960 zodiac signs. I would say my own experience tells me that, yes, 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:40.480 certain signs are going to be more compulsive, perhaps and 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:48.680 impulsive and perhaps more self destructive than others. Yes, I 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:52.520 think that's probably true. Although you know, I think each 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.960 and every sign carries its own distinct flavor that I 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:01.440 think is really important for each and everyone's journey. This 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:03.400 is the thing that I like to say to my 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.560 clients is that there are as many paths to awakening 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.680 as there are people. Right, we each have our own journey. 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:13.280 So for someone, let's say you mentioned the aris aspects. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:14.119 At the moment. 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:16.800 You're an area. 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.280 I'm an airy yeah, so I go at things at 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:20.760 one hundred miles an hour and I think. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:21.480 Really, no ship. 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:26.800 Sorry, sorry about miss Virgo. Yes, I'm a Virgo, so 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:27.840 I we're very different. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.920 You are very different. Well, the areas is going to 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.720 be more compulsive and they're going to have to work 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:38.680 harder to to maintain a level of self self control. 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.440 The Virgo, on the other hand, is very It's much 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.520 more detail oriented and can be much more organized, and 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.880 they they they like a plant. 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:51.400 Right, I'm always running like which is the most unvirgo 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.600 like quality. I think it's because I'm a people I'm 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:56.400 a people pleaser as well, and I try to fit 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:00.440 everything into a day and it just irritates the Jesus 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.160 out of Michau because I'm always light. 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.680 Well, you have to take into account the full breadth 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:12.399 of your chart, right, it's rising sun moon. All of 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.280 these things factor into a certain degree. I have a 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:19.080 Virgo moon, so I'm very familiar with the Virgo. But 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.679 I'm a double aquarian, so I'm also very you know, 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:27.560 very much on that on that air and earth bandwidth 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.600 where I'm there's a measure of trying to balance those things, right, 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:35.080 whereas an Aria's lots of fire, they're ready to just go, 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:39.399 go go. Yeah, it's there. It's just different kinds of energy, 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.680 and I think it's helpful to have a sense of 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.919 what you're working with. What's really fun in the hands 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.680 is that I can see things like your earth elements, 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:52.000 your fire, your water, all of those things are also 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.760 in the hands. So I love the overlap. I love 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:58.320 being able to see, you know, if you are perhaps 0:17:58.440 --> 0:17:59.960 there's a lot of air in your hands, then I 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:04.080 can say, are you an air sign? And it's it's 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.439 fun to see that reflected again and again. Yeah, it 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.960 helps me understand how to navigate each and every client, 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.200 right because they all have specific needs. If someone who's 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.840 really fired, then I'm going to say, look, you're going 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.240 to probably want to spend some time in nature trying 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:24.040 to ground some of that energy and bring some harmony 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.720 to I mean, we really ultimately want harmony within, and 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:29.960 then we want our lives. 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:34.359 To be Aquarius rising. So yeah, I'm always thinking. 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:38.080 Wow, yeah, that's what most people say when they meet Michelle. 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:40.280 Wow. 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:42.960 No, it's really it's a I think it's a really 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.960 beautiful domination. Because of course the piss's Moon is going 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:47.840 to have a lot of depth, and that's going to 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.000 be like heavy emotional depth. It's going to be really dreamy. 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.359 It's also going to have a lot of vision that 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:58.200 the rising Aquarius is going to be a humanitarian so 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.639 you're going to be utilizing probably all that fire energy 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:06.000 in service to humanitarian causes. That's it's a beautiful combination. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.200 I think it is. She is a beautiful combination. 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.199 This one's Leo am I yeah, you're do you go 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:16.000 with Leo Moon and the rising? I think? 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:17.280 How do you know this? 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:18.719 I looked you up? 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:25.360 Oh my stalking? Oh great? Oh no, last year? Remember? Oh? Okay, yeah, 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.080 she's got Leo. What does that mean? 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:32.719 You're Leo Moon? So you're in You're a Virgo then, 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:34.679 but I need to find out what you're rising? 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.680 Is? Like we can google my son is a Leo Moon, 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:41.560 a Virgo rising and Aquarius sun? 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:45.520 Okay? Oh wow, you probably know what time were you born? 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:47.960 Seven? I was in the morning. 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.479 I don't actually know the real time, but it was 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:54.159 the first of September nineteen seventy eight. I wish I 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.720 had someone to ask, but unfortunately I can't. I can't ask. 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:58.800 Well, look when I was, what do you mean you'll look? 0:19:58.840 --> 0:19:59.720 Well google rize it. 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:01.800 We go, Oh my god, what anyway we can do? 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.240 I use the Time Passages app. I find that one's 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.320 are really The time Passages app is a really good 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:13.440 source for astrology. You can add your own, you can 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.000 add friends, you can care charts, and you can do 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.080 transits and progressions a let. 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.359 So we've managed to also get some right lashing and 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.080 everything done. So you can see the lines of our 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.400 hands and I do believe those images have come through 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:27.560 to you and you're gonna do a bit of a 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:28.840 hand analysis to us. 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:32.320 All right. 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:38.800 So Michelle is the nails and Mora is no nails. 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.320 I'm like, am I going to know. 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:43.800 It? 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:45.600 Then I saw the tattoo. 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.200 Yeah, the dragonfly tattoo. That's me. Yeah. 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.480 You both have leadership as part of your as part 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:58.880 of your your purpose. Maia, you have a nurture heartline. 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:06.439 Michelle you are more of a stoic heartline. Michelle, you 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.840 have a traveling lifeline. Have you always been in Australia? 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:15.520 No? Now, I was born in New Zealand, but I 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:18.920 did travel a lot in my early twenties. I traveled 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:21.720 with a backpack and that was bigger than me. 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:25.120 One way to get those people who have. 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.800 A traveling lifeline usually die in a different country than 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:28.679 the one they were born in. 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:33.600 Wow, right, so don't life No, I will. 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:38.320 I mean what's interesting is that the further the traveling 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.439 line dip drifts into the moon, the further you will 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:44.439 be from where you started. So when you say you 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.720 were born in New Zealand and you're in Australia, your 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:50.440 traveling lifeline hasn't moved that far. Yeah, it has, it's there. 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:53.520 What's interesting is my travel I have a traveling lifeline 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.160 as well. I was born in Johannesburg. 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:56.680 South Africa, Oh Wow. 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:01.600 Subsequently emigrated to England first and then to the United States. 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:05.960 And my traveling lifeline is you know, the South Africa 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:07.920 is almost as far away as you can get from 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:12.040 the States this Earth. So my traveling lifeline goes all 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.280 the way into my moon sign Wow, into my moon mount. 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.480