1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Get a. 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, and professional oversharer. 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: This podcast is all about celebrating failure because I believe 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: it's a chance for us to learn, grow and face 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview a different guest 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: about their highs as well as they're lows, all in 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 2: a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. HALLI, Welcome 8 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: to the pod. Today we have Joe Stanley. She is 9 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: the ultimate powerhouse. She's a radio host, stand up comedian, author, 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: MC speaker and. 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: Founder of broad Radio. Now. 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: Joe is really passionate about real women having real conversations. 13 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: The tagline of broad Radio is that it's big, bold 14 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: and no bs. So obviously I had to get her 15 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: on the pod and ask all about her new baby, 16 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: broad Radio. And I was lucky enough to go on 17 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: her radio show as well. So I hope you love 18 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: this chart. We talk all things Korea, highs, lows and 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: everything in between. Joe Stanley, You're a ripper human. Can't 20 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: wait to hang with you again. 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: Rannie A. 22 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: Welcome to the pod. Joe Stanley, Mate, You've done so 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: much author, radio host, TV. I want to say TV 24 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:38,199 Speaker 2: personality speaker MC creator of broad radio, which I have been. 25 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: I want to say it, and I mean, this is 26 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: the best way, but like addictively consuming. Well, I love 27 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: that downloaded that happen. 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I can play catch up here. 29 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: This is amazing. So you've done so many, so many 30 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: wonderful things. And I guess what I want to ask 31 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 2: you about is a little bit about This is a 32 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: selfish question, and this is a little bit about the 33 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: start for you, because I had no idea until I 34 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: started researching you that you're an aspiring actor. Is that true? 35 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: Well, did we study at the same police initially actually 36 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: Benzi's building mate, the ming Wing. Yeah, so I was, 37 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, I was the drama kid at high school, 38 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: was the house drama captain, you know, went on and 39 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: thought that I would be an actor. Did not have 40 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: the courage. And I must say, people who say I 41 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: have no regrets, I think bullshit? Or how do you 42 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: live life with no regrets? I think that that's just 43 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 1: that to me feels like you're not honest with yourself. 44 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: And so one of my great regrets is I was 45 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: too scared to audition for your vcas and nighters at 46 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: high school. So I went sort of a really kind 47 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: of low risk path, which was an arts degree with 48 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: a performing arts major at Monash, and yeah, I thought 49 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: that I would be the actor that I had dreamed 50 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: of being and never had the courage to follow that path, which, 51 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, again deeply regretful around that. However, I instead 52 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: went down the path of comedy because I did all 53 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: the you know, the comedy reviews at Monash and found 54 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: myself in a comedy group. This is in the nineties 55 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: in Melbourne, which was full of tryat rooms and was 56 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: sketch comedy, then a comedy duo, then stand up solo. 57 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: So I kind of was gaining courage as a performer 58 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: and a writer and a comedian and yeah, which landed 59 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: me in radio. So in a way it was kind 60 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: of good I didn't follow that acting path. The universe 61 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: had a plan, it seems one hundred percent. 62 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: I've got to say, having I've trained improv and mate 63 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: comedy is a million. 64 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: Times scarier than acting. 65 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: Like the stakes feel so high and you feel like 66 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: you're in this constant like washing machine and failure like 67 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: it literally feels like I was just tripping, like falling 68 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: forward every time I was in an improv class, So 69 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: hats off to you, like you would have had to 70 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: get up on like open mic nights, I imagine, is 71 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: that how you started with the comedy. 72 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: Yes, lots of lots of that stuff, but it's not 73 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: it's not. Improp is harder because you are unscripted, obviously, 74 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: so in this situation, it was heavily scripted. You know, 75 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: you've been crafting your jokes and honing them, and you 76 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: know so in that regard, although again I look back 77 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: and I am a very different because I do lots 78 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: of keynote speaking in MC now not so much stand 79 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: up heavily informed by my comedy experience and writing always 80 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: right with a comic bend. But I look back at 81 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: the stand up comedian that I was, and I was 82 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: too scared to sway from, you know, the really crafted 83 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: side of it and engage with the audience, which is 84 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: your whole reason to be there, right I was. I 85 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: guess I've been trained with this fourth wall was a 86 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: bit different. So it was just that breaking down the 87 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: fourth wall such that I was okay with interacting with 88 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: the audience in a real like in this present moment 89 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: sense was very hard for me. And do you know, 90 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: why because I think and you would have discovered this. 91 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: As a performer, you have to like yourself and I 92 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: just didn't. God, you mean, don't you reckon? That's part 93 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: that's part of the training as an actor is to 94 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: like yourself, or. 95 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: At least be super comfortable with the vulnerability of sharing yourself, 96 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: which is like you feel naked the first few times 97 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 2: you get up on a stage. You're like, oh, this 98 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: is the pits, like and you know, like there's a 99 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: like there is a magic to it, but there's also 100 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: and but it makes sense the way you talk about 101 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: how there was like bigger things that played career wise 102 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: for you. And I don't see the regret around like 103 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 2: the VCA audition and the night audition as a thing 104 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 2: as someone that has auditioned for those schools, I still 105 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 2: remember them so vividly and failing and never getting into them. 106 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: Might I ask, oh, mate, yeah, I look back at it. 107 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: I look back at an audition that I don't know. 108 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: You have these random moments for some reason you get 109 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: invited to audition for. In this instance, it was MTC. 110 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: You know they do well all the theater companies. They 111 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: do that open audition at the start of each season 112 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: or you know, looking and so it's just like a 113 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: cattle call thing. And I got this opportunity and I go, 114 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: I remember this so vividly how underprepared I was because 115 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: I'd never done it before and I didn't know. I 116 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: didn't know you you're going to have your contemporary piece 117 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: in your Shakespeare piece. And I was so deeply I 118 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: was so nervous talk about failing. I just imagine the 119 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: person who auditioned me must still be laughing about how bad. 120 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: I don't worry, mate, Like I have a thousand percent 121 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 2: had those moments, so many moments that I'm just like, 122 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: how is this happening to me? 123 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: Right? How am I living this? 124 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: But I just love that you cause I feel like 125 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: our circles feel like they've kind of like crossed over 126 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: and intertwined. And then it's almost like we've almost hung 127 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: out and we haven't quite and it's just been and 128 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: I was lucky enough to work with your wonderful husband 129 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: as well, and so I just feel like this pod 130 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: has been a long time coming, and oh yes, it 131 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: feels like that, right, And so I'm just so pumped 132 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: to sit down and like pick your brain on a 133 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: few things. So can you talk to me about this 134 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: beautiful new baby that we are getting to consume now 135 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: that I know you've been working on for quite a while. 136 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: Talk to me about broad Radio. How did it come about? 137 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: Why is it here? I'm obsessed with the tagline big, 138 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: Bold and nobs. 139 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a tagline for our breakfast show Morning Broads. 140 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm really broadly speaking pun intended, Yeah, I mean effectively, 141 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: broad Radio came out of what you would describe as 142 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: a failure in that I had been sacked. I've been 143 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: doing breakfast right for twelve years at that time, was 144 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: on Joe and Limo on God one of four point three, 145 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: and we were number one. Breakfast Show had taken that 146 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: show to number one for the first time in ten 147 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: years for gold and they sacked us, and you know whatever, 148 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: that's what radio does. It's fucking weird and you just 149 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: have to roll with those punches. But I was pretty 150 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: knocked about by it, Like you know, you feel kind 151 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: of immediately erased. And I had spent my entire career 152 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: pretty much, you know, That's how I valued myself was 153 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: by my job. I mean, we all do that, don't 154 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: wean We all kind of think that that's who we are, 155 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: is our job, particularly when you are your name's literally 156 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: in the title of the show. They take that show 157 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: from you, and you're like, there is no Joe and Limo, 158 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: So is there a Joe? I don't know. So I 159 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: was pretty knocked about what am I going to do? Now? 160 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: Is radio done with me? And actually the interesting thing 161 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: was all of the men on that show, because we 162 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: all got act obviously, they all went on to new 163 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: shows and I did not get another job. And I 164 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: was pretty shitty about that, to be honest, quite rageful, 165 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: but looked at the gender imbalance in radio and went, oh, right, okay, 166 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: so all the voices we hear on radio only twenty 167 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: seven percent of female, So of course there's no jobs 168 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: for me because those twenty seven percent voices they're taken, right, 169 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: And you know, there's no seats at the table particularly, 170 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: and you know all of the women that were on 171 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: they all looked like me. They're all white, cisgendered, middle 172 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: class women, right, So that's where the colonel started of 173 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: just going why where are the women and then going, okay, 174 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: I really want to listen to I. I was forty six 175 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: seven at the time. I really want to listen to 176 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: radio that sounds like me and my life stage and 177 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: the community that I'm surrounded with, which is you know, 178 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: diverse women. It's First Nations women. It's like a when 179 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: I look at the women that are at school pickup 180 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: or you know, at the shopping centers, they don't look 181 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: or sound like what we hear in mainstream media. I 182 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: was like, this is fucking bullshit. What is going on here? 183 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: It was like this revelation and then I was like, 184 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: oh my god, eighty percent of the house I'd spending 185 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: is controlled by women. This is a huge market that's 186 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: being overlooked, and the business of broad radio started to 187 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: fall into place. Lockdown happened in Melbourne, which is where 188 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm based. Suddenly the world exploded with streaming. Suddenly we 189 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: all went hang on. The technology doesn't need to be 190 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: perfect for the content to be great, for you to 191 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: be able to connect with the community. And we saw 192 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: that explode. I mean that happened to you, Lola, Like 193 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: your community just exploded over that last few years. Because 194 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: we're connecting with people who understand, we understand each other, 195 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: and there's a real kind of I don't know, it's 196 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: survival right to connect with people in that way, and 197 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: so the technology for streaming radios started to really just 198 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: get better and better and more and more affordable and 199 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: within our reach, and so eventually we just went, you 200 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: know what, radio for women is most definitely needed. I 201 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: think it's wanted. These were my hypotheses. I suppose there's 202 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: a market for it as far as brands are concerned. 203 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: So there's a business, and now the technology is there 204 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: as well, all right, I'm gonna make a radio network. 205 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: What about the hur radio? Was there hurdles because it's 206 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: been what's used in the making? 207 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: How long is that? So we started with a live 208 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: stream on Facebook and YouTube on Tuesday mornings. Just one 209 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: hour you were on that and that was really kind 210 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: of a testing of the water. It's not just of 211 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: the audience, but also of the idea, like the content 212 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: and the conversation and what is content that's completely women led. 213 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: Did that for two years. The hurdles are like endless. 214 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: It's not just because we bootstrapped, so, you know, financial 215 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: hurdles of course, hurdles as far as just being a 216 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: voice in the market, like it's huge, you would know, 217 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: like trying to get market share, that's difficult. When you 218 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: don't have an advertising budget. Gaining audience and reaching audience, 219 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: not gaining but reaching. Once we reach, we always gain, 220 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: but reaching the audience even just your own time. I mean, 221 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, my husband and I are co founders, but 222 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: we're also got careers to pay the mortgage, and so 223 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: you're basically running two three jobs at the same time, 224 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: same as you. I mean, that's the hustle, isn't it. 225 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 1: And so those hurdles are pretty full on. And then 226 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: it comes to things like when you're a startup founder 227 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: and you know that you need to raise capital, really 228 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, hitting the face with the knowledge that 229 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: only three percent of venture capital goes to female founders, 230 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: So you're like, what three percent? Ah, So now you're 231 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: up against that structural barrier as well. You're up against 232 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: people not understanding even that radio can make money and 233 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: that there is a future in radio. There's a perception 234 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: that people think radio is dying. It's not, particularly in Australia, 235 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: like ninety seven percent of stones listen to radio. It's 236 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: a big industry that's growing and growing. It's just the 237 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: delivery is changing. There's so much, so many different barriers 238 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: and probably your biggest barrier is the sense that you 239 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: can't do a little voice in your head saying what 240 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: are you doing? You can't do this. You're not a 241 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: startup founder. You're a stand up comedian who found yourself 242 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: in radio, God knows how that happened, and then found 243 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: yourself as a startup founder, Like, I'm not qualified to 244 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: do this. So that all the things, how. 245 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: Do you put yourself through those days where the little 246 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: voice is like, nah, you're not going to be able 247 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: to do this. 248 00:13:54,559 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm a hard manifesto. Yeah, love meditation and journally and 249 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: every time I man so every time I meditate, it's 250 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: just there in my head. The vision of it came 251 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: to me while I was meditating. I don't own this idea, 252 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: like literally, it was gifted to me by the universe, 253 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: and it sat in my meditation for like or months 254 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: before I even started to write a business plan and 255 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: think about it. Then it kind of as it evolved 256 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: and became a thing in me and my body and 257 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: in my vision, my visual visualizations when I meditate. It 258 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: became obvious to me that I'm just a caretaker of 259 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: this idea. It belongs to the women that need and 260 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: want it, and so as I meditate every day, I 261 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: don't have a choice to stop. I just don't. I 262 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: love that it's for the universe. 263 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: It's almost like the way you're describing it as oh, 264 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: I say, people go would want to act and I'm like, 265 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm a vessel for something bigger, and 266 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: I feel like it's very similar to what you're saying. 267 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 2: It's like you're creating this, you're like looking after it, 268 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: nurturing it. But it's bigger than you think. 269 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: And I think, well, I think every single person has 270 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: something that's bigger than in them, every single person. I 271 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: think that women particularly and you know I'm not I 272 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: don't want to exclude men in this conversation, but to 273 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: be honest, men can look after themselves. I can deal 274 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: with I can only deal with women right now. But 275 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: I think that women are particularly told to be small 276 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: from the time that they're little girls. They're told to 277 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: define themselves by whether they're pretty or not, or whether 278 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: they're marriageable, whether they are more pretty than someone else, 279 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: whether their body's perfect. You know, there are so many 280 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: ways we're told to be small and to silence that 281 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: voice inside us. And so for me, as I've grown 282 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: myself in connecting with that voice, I realized that broad 283 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: radio is about that for the women that connect with 284 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: that community and become a part of our community. So 285 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: it's sort of really self perpetuating in a beautiful way. 286 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: And I love that there's like this no filter approach 287 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 2: as well, Like is it the wheel of feels at 288 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: the start? 289 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: Yes, we start each hour of the morning show, we 290 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: start with a feelings wheel, the wheel of feels. Yeah, 291 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: and it's I mean that literally came from us going, well, 292 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: we're not a news service at this point. At some 293 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: point we'll probably deliver news, but we're not able to 294 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: really have that as far as our resource are concerned. 295 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: But also research shows women are disconnecting with news more 296 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: and more, and so how do we mark the start 297 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: of an hour as you would normally instead of having 298 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: a news bulletin? And so, yeah, it came from us going, well, 299 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: let's check in with our feelings. It's so it's not 300 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: done on radio. It's not for everyone. But actually I 301 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: think if you invite people to start thinking about how 302 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: do I feel today, it is for everyone. We just 303 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: don't give ourselves permission to do that, do we. 304 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: And I think it's very refreshing, Like the one that 305 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: I was listening to on my walk today it was 306 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: you and Nelly and Nellie's like, do you know what 307 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 2: I feel flat? And like you just also holding the 308 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: space for Nelly to share that she's feeling flat and 309 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: kind of like explore and process that a little bit 310 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 2: in real time, And as a listener, I was like, 311 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 2: it's also like normalizing not feeling great all the time, 312 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 2: or not being perfect or not fitting that cookie cutter 313 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 2: like sometimes we think we need to think a certain way, 314 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 2: or live a certain way, or look a certain way, 315 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: and I feel like you guys are kind of like 316 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 2: if that we're turning all of that upside down and 317 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: we're here just to be and to be real. And 318 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: I think that that's like such a huge testament to you. 319 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: And I actual listen to a podcast while I was 320 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 2: researching you that came out probably five years ago before 321 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 2: like we knew about this brain beautiful brainchild of yours, 322 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: and you talk so openly about therapy and how it's 323 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 2: just been like a really important resource for you and 324 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 2: in the way that you interact with your co hosts 325 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 2: and guests, and I mean, this is a compliment I'm like, oh, 326 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: that's someone that's worked on themselves, which is like a testament. 327 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: Critical critical is the best way to describe it. Can 328 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 2: you share a little bit about why looking after your 329 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: mental health? You've already mentioned meditation, journaling and that being 330 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 2: linked to manifesting, But I also think, like, especially as 331 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: a woman that works in the media industry, and you've 332 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 2: just told us all the stats, it's almost like an 333 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: industry that's not built for us. 334 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: Really what industry is though? Yeah? Why? I mean, except 335 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: for the highly feminized industries, what is so few? Let 336 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: me tell you the more I research it. But anyway, 337 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: I interested you going. 338 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 2: No, no, I was gonna say, like, how important is 339 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: like therapy and looking after your mental health for you? 340 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: Well, I unfortunately I am not in therapy at the 341 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: moment because I'm in between therapists. I think I've had 342 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: about seven or eight in my time. 343 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 2: But when I listened to this interview, so that's that's 344 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 2: so funny. 345 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: It's not like I break them. They just retire, right yeah, 346 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: or you know, my life sort of moves on and 347 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: I go, Okay, I'm going to arrest it for a while, 348 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: and then you go, actually, at the moment I am 349 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: feeling that urge to go and talk again, because you know, 350 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: there's it's a bottomless pit. New things come up or 351 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: the same the same old things. You're like, ah, old chestnut. 352 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: But I just think you, I always say, you cannot 353 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: expect other people to be what you are not, So 354 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: we spend a lot of our time going, oh, why 355 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: are you so mean? Or why are you so reductive? 356 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: Or why why you know, why do I feel like 357 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: you're not sort of honoring what I want to say 358 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: or whatever you questioned me? In other people, whether it's 359 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: our partners or our friends or work colleagues, I'm like, well, 360 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: I can only assume all the things they do I 361 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: do as well. I mean, it would be stupid and 362 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: really arrogant for me to assume that I'm a perfect person. 363 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: So if I want to actually expect that of them, 364 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: then I need to go and do the work and 365 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: be the best version of myself I can be. That's 366 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: the first reason. But the second thing is I just 367 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: want to be able to sleep at night, and I 368 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: want to be able to be a good parent. I 369 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: want to be able to be a good partner. I 370 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: want to be able to like myself. I want to 371 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: be the person who is clear thinking and calm enough 372 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: to say when I'm out with my friends, you know what, 373 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: I don't need a fourth class of wine. 374 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 375 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: All of the things that I know that just you know, 376 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: contribute to unhappiness. I don't want to be that. I 377 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: want to be more productive and calm, and I want 378 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: to like who I am. And I think the older 379 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: you get, the more you realize the things that contribute 380 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 1: to how much you like yourself, or perhaps take away 381 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: from how much you like yourself. 382 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 2: Oh, I like that, I really like that, and I 383 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: do it's I do love that you share very honestly, 384 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 2: But there's such a matter of factness about the way 385 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 2: you share mental health support as well, like it is 386 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 2: I And my favorite thing that you just said then 387 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 2: is like this sense of clarity that comes from it. 388 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: And also like. 389 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: Owning a bit running a bit startup, like you can 390 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 2: still have those off days, but knowing that it's just 391 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: an off day because of the work you've done on yourself, 392 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: as opposed to letting that off day define you and 393 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,479 Speaker 2: self doubt eat you up, which I know we can 394 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: all relate to. 395 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the critical thing for me around the 396 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: startup is that, like I'm a very fearful person, I'm 397 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 1: actually a very risk averse person, which is, you know, 398 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: risk averse people don't start businesses, but risk averse people 399 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: maybe aren't stand up comedians either. So I call myself 400 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: a risk averse person, yet I do risk taking behaviors. 401 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: I suppose I don't have a high profile for risk. 402 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: You know, you can do these self assessment tools online 403 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: and I'm always way down the bottom right as I 404 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: define myself. However, I do these things anyway, but I'm 405 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: in a perpetual state of fear because of it. And 406 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: because I've done the therapy, I've been able to identify 407 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: the difference between a fear that comes from what I'm 408 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: doing in this moment and the fear that has been 409 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: triggered in my body that I carry with me that 410 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: is from something a long long time ago. Right, So, 411 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: my father died when I was four, and that has 412 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: created for me. Then I know this because I've done 413 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: the therapy, that I carry with me a sense of 414 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: like in my cells, a notion that the world will 415 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: disappear in any moment, and that fear is easily triggered 416 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: in my body. But when I'm in like, Okay, I'm 417 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: going into a meeting and I'm really sort of there's 418 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: a lot writing on this, and I'm scared of what 419 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: they might ask me about the business, What if I 420 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: can't deliver or what if you know, you can spiral 421 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: at any moment, but what I'm feeling in my body 422 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: might not necessarily be related to that particular moment. I 423 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: have to really kind of go check in with the 424 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: feelings well and go, what actually am I feeling, and 425 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: how can you what do you attribute it to? And 426 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: if it is one of those previous moments in my 427 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: life that I carry in myself, I'm able to kind 428 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: of go, oh, that's okay. I can comfort you right now. 429 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: I can comfort the child version myself. I can comfort 430 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: the version of myself that is a teenager feeling like 431 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: I don't fit in at high school. All those parts 432 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: of you that you carry. Sometimes I triggered that not 433 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,479 Speaker 1: related to what's going on in this present moment, and 434 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: I feel like that makes things so much easier to 435 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: get through in that day. 436 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 2: I fully agree. I think it just brings this like 437 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: understanding of processing things that are faster rate as opposed 438 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: to like, yeah, feeling that trigger or that very physical, 439 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,239 Speaker 2: visceral feeling and just thinking it's this situation I mean 440 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 2: right now as opposed to what you just said. And 441 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: so yeah, for me, it's like people go, oh, how 442 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: have you achieved this? And I'm like therapy so that 443 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: I can process things quicker and then I can move 444 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 2: on and learn and let go of stuff that's not 445 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 2: serving me and still feel really hard feelings, whether it 446 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: be grief, whether it be failure, whether it be a 447 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: work setback, but then keep moving forward because I can 448 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: process it. I would say a hundred times faster than without. 449 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 2: But that's somebody that like, for me, I found talk 450 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 2: therapy was my thing. 451 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: I'm but I think too that that allows you on 452 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: what you do in this podcast and what I know 453 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: I do. It's like it's a superpower to be able 454 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: to see with other people's uncomfortable feelings and to have 455 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: a great compassionate empathy, which I'm just like that makes 456 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: you a better human, like be compassionate for others and 457 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: see we can recognize instantly what people are going through 458 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: because we've done the work as well. 459 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: Totally. Ah, I'm I love that you're a self described introvert, 460 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 2: I believe it or not, I'm one too. Everybody is like, no, 461 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: you're so loud, you're meet you working media, You've got 462 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: a pod, you're chatty Kathy, And I'm like, I promise 463 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: you friends, I am. I just I am like a 464 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: very well skilled intronet, Like I can communicate with people 465 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 2: like this fills my cup. A one on one conversation 466 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: with someone, or a chat over a coffee just one 467 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 2: other person fills my cup. But the moment you add 468 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: a third or fourth person in my battery just starts 469 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 2: like it's like my brain is managing too much. I can't. 470 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 2: It makes me feel really uncomfortable, Like even thinking of 471 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 2: a group setting out can get sweaty palms straight away. 472 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: And so I love that you describe yourself as an introvert, 473 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 2: but you also work in an industry that you would 474 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: think is dominated by extroverts really or people that love chatting, 475 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 2: and especially working in morning radio for so long as well. 476 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: Can you talk to me about that dichotomy a little bit? 477 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: Well, I mean absolutely nail it. When you say a 478 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: conversation like this, which is effectively what radio is. People 479 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: think that radio is performing it it is, but you're 480 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: in a very very enclosed environment. You are speaking. At 481 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: one point with Matt Joshow, we were talking to seven 482 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: hundred thousand people, right, So obviously you have big audiences, 483 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: but in your mind and the key and the skill 484 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: for radio is you're only talking to one person. Doesn't 485 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: matter how many people, how many ones there Aren'twols, Sorry, 486 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: doesn't matter how many ones there are. There's seven hundred 487 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: thousand ones, but there's still only one person, right, and 488 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: you're only you and your team in a very small space. 489 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: So it was perfect for me. It was performance, it 490 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: was writing, but very safe. I'm exactly like you. I 491 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: find like the social anxiety I have walking into an 492 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: environment like you know, all the Christmas parties that are 493 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: coming up and you've got to go there's no plus one. 494 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want to be sick at the 495 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: thought of just walking to those rooms, right, I can't stand. However, 496 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: it is a skill. It's a skill that I learned 497 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: largely because with radio you get you have to do 498 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: listener functions. In fact, they were so critical meeting listeners 499 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: because they are the reason you are on air. That's why, 500 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: that's your life blood. And I loved meeting our listeners. 501 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: I loved hearing their stories and learning about them, but 502 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,239 Speaker 1: the social anxiety around Actually, these are people I don't know, 503 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: but I have to hit the ground running as though 504 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: we're best friends, right, super hard. However, the skills that 505 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: I learned were things like active listening. Like active listening, 506 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: so being present, moment aware in that conversation so that 507 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 1: you're hearing every word but the meaning between the words 508 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: as well. Breath work, curiosity, asking questions, and really sort 509 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: of making an intention before you walk in the room. 510 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: Why am I there? What is the point of this conversation? 511 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: Don't take it for granted. This person also is probably 512 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: quite anxious. This person has given up their time to 513 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: be there. What is the connection you're looking for between you? 514 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: You know, really not taking it for granted, but also 515 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: wanting to center that person, like it's a really beautiful 516 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: moment between you. So it's all skills, and for me, 517 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: it all comes from mindfulness and breath work. 518 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 2: I love as well. You've said this and I was like, oh, 519 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: I'm running this down for just my own social anxiety. 520 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: Social anxiety is helped by curiosity, and you just mentioned that. 521 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: Then I think curiosity is like even when I'm doing 522 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: an acting audition in a room, which is kind of 523 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 2: weird because usually you do them on self tape. But 524 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: then the callbacks, they'll pull you into a studio and 525 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: there's you know, there's five people sitting on a couch, 526 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 2: often eating, there's like there are someone directing you. They'll 527 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 2: often switch the script jough, like they'll be like, oh, 528 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: I know you learned these lines for Sally. You're actually 529 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: playing Ruth today and you're like, wow, and thanks for that, 530 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 2: but like I remember just like having this paralyzing anxiety 531 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 2: and being like I don't even know if I get 532 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: the lines out. My acting coach was like, focus on 533 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: the other reader's eye color and stay curious about the reader, 534 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: like in between takes, be like do you have a dog? 535 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: Like just ask and find out how the other reader, 536 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,239 Speaker 2: the other actor is and like how their day is. 537 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 2: Because curiosity stops that like, like it literally stops the 538 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 2: anxiety in its tracks because all like and you've described it, 539 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 2: I've heard you say the same thing, like all your 540 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: attention is on another human being, and so it gets 541 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: you completely out of your head so that you can 542 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 2: be much more present and in the moment. 543 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: Oh, it's absolutely for me, the one of the It's 544 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: like a key to the universe. Curiosity not just appeasing 545 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: your own anxiety and taking yourself out of your own head, 546 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: because let's face it, anxiety is a strangely self centered being, right, yeah, 547 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: trust And I'm not suggesting you can do anything about it, 548 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying, oh, stop being so self centered 549 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: and anxious, Like, anxiety is a thing that I live 550 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: with every day as well, so I don't have It's 551 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: not that I don't have empathy for people who live 552 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: with anxiety, because trust me, I understand. But to be anxious, 553 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: it's about churning inside yourself. And so if you're able 554 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: to kind of go okay, hello, friend, I know you're 555 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: very anxious today. I love you. I forgive you. Let's 556 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: ask someone else about them, and you're instantly turning your 557 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: attention away from self, and that's because of curiosity. Just 558 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: ask one question, and an open ended question, not a 559 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: question like do you like chicken? Make it be curious. 560 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: But apart from that, honestly, Lola, I think curiosity is 561 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: an answer for all the shit that happens in your life. 562 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: And I have found this like rather than asking, Oh 563 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: my God, what is going to happen? That fear of 564 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: the in oh my God, I've had a blank like 565 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: in other words, the unknown kind of thing, like the unknown. 566 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: Yes Jesus, I'll say it again, yes. So rather than 567 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,719 Speaker 1: having that fear of the unknown that you know during COVID, 568 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: people were just absolutely That's one of the things that 569 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: knocked people for six was what's going to happen for me? 570 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: Rather than saying, Oh my God, what's going to happen, 571 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: It's like, Wow, what is going to happen? I just 572 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: flick that switch to wonder rather than curiosity. And honestly 573 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: it happened. Recently our car died in the middle of 574 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: peak hour in the middle of one of the main 575 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: roads in Melbourne. And this car was not being fixed 576 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: like it was done. We knew that it was very 577 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: old and we'd driven it to death. That was an intention. 578 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: But I was like, I got out of the car 579 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: as a roll to a stop, just gently in between tramlines, 580 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: so at least it didn't hold up the trunk. I'm 581 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: waiting for the tow truck and I'm thinking, oh God, 582 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: I could really spiral right now and just be like 583 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: Holy shit, what are we going to do without a car? 584 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: What is going to happen? But I got out and 585 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: I went, okay, this is interesting, this is an interesting Okay, 586 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: all right, universe, Okay, what are you going to bring me? 587 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: What answer are you going to serve me? What is 588 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: going to happen? I can't wait to see? And sure 589 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: enough a week later I was an ambassador for this 590 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: and I was. 591 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 2: I knew that's where that I knew that's where that 592 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 2: story was. How good? Amazing Haggard. There is a study 593 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 2: as well done on people that have a positive outlook 594 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: like that, like they usually are way more successful than 595 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: people that have got that bit more like woe is me? 596 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: Oh my car? What am I going to do? 597 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: How am I going to get to it? 598 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: Like? 599 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: But I've got to say, like that positive switching worry 600 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 2: and fear into wonder. That takes work, because you can 601 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 2: do it like good a couple of times and then 602 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: something will get you and your initial knee jerk reaction 603 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 2: will be like this, like this is terrible. 604 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it takes work. And also I want to acknowledge 605 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,919 Speaker 1: my privilege. I mean, you know, I am fortunate enough 606 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: to be able to afford own mortgage, and I'm fortunate 607 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: enough to have family around me, so if things do 608 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: go completely bully up, I have family I can rely on, 609 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: and not everybody has that. So I want to acknowledge 610 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: my privilege in that. But we have had times in 611 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: which financially things were seriously backed against the wall. I mean, 612 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: everyone does right and in that whole, like as you're 613 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: creating a business, like you put so much on the line. 614 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: But I really just acknowledging my privilege. I still believe 615 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: that when I say what will happen? There will be 616 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: an answer to this. And I do you know, manifest 617 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: versus what is it manifest or pray? It's pretty much 618 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: the same thing in my opinion. I do come from 619 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: a very religious family, so I think I kind of 620 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: have that notion of speaking to the universe and believe 621 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: that it will be okay. I have a faith, and 622 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: it happens. It does happen. But it's the curiosity that's 623 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: allowed me to calm myself in that wonder. Yeah, in 624 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: the unknown. 625 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 2: I love it. It's such a good. Yeah, it's such 626 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 2: a good, free and accessible way for people to flick 627 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 2: the switch a little bit from the like I even 628 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 2: my boyfriend or me is like, gee, you're being a 629 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 2: negative Nancy today. 630 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, all I'm getting. 631 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 2: Is rejection from these auditions made it strives me bongers, 632 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 2: and it's just like flicking that switch into like like, well, 633 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,760 Speaker 2: what is it making way for? What is it making 634 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 2: space for? What is that next thing going to be? 635 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 2: And it actually is really inspiring when you start to 636 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 2: like look at it like it's all like possible, and 637 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 2: like if one door shuts, another opens kind of thing, 638 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 2: which is what happened to you with Nissen. 639 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: Essentially incredible. Look again, huge privilege there, and if if 640 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: that hadn't happened, then we would have had to found 641 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,720 Speaker 1: another find another way to sort out our transport. But equally, 642 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just really believe that if you 643 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: are open to the messages of the universe, then you 644 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: will find a way. There is a pathway there for 645 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: you somehow, And as soon as you're not curious, you're 646 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: shutting yourself off to those pathways. Yeah. 647 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Stay curious. I love it. 648 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 2: I can't believe how quickly this chat's gone. I've got 649 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 2: to ask if you and I were looking into a 650 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 2: crystal ball right now, Like I already am loving soaking 651 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: up broad Radio. What's the dream? Like, where is Joe 652 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 2: Stanley in like two years from now? 653 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: The dream is And I'll say gold because it's more 654 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: goal than a dream in a lot of ways, because 655 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: I don't think it dream implies to me that it 656 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: may or may not happen. So but this will happen, right, 657 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: So goal is that broad Radio is number one radio 658 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: network for women in Australia. We're scaling globally, so in 659 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: two years we'll be in the States, we'll be in 660 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: New Zealand. We've got you know, twenty four to seven 661 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: live radio as well as podcasts. My intention is to 662 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: grow the app into a health hub as well, so 663 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: there's that extra resource. Our mission is the happiness, health 664 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: and pursuit of fearlessness for women. So the health hub 665 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: is there to support all different kinds of you know, health, physical, 666 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: mental pleasure, domestic violence kit, all those sort of stuff. 667 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: So the health Hub, you know, where we're partnering with 668 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: f W and NROLW where being advocates for women's participation 669 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: in the media. Like it's just a really massive community 670 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: in which we're elevating diverse women's voices and creating opportunities 671 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: for many, many, many thousands of women, but also just 672 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: shifting women's sense of self, helping them with their curiosity, 673 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:15,479 Speaker 1: with their manifestations, with their sense of power. And yeah, 674 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: I'm the CEO of that. Yeah, that's the goal. 675 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 2: Love it, my friend, I love it and to the 676 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 2: listener the best. And it was so easy. You just 677 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 2: jump on your app store. You're just down the app. 678 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 2: It's just broad Radio app, yeah, and easy peasy, and 679 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 2: you can go back and listen to previous episodes much 680 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 2: like you would apost essentially. 681 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: So everything that's on the live is then available on 682 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: the podcast as well. We have many other podcasts as well. 683 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: The broad Radio podcast Network is expanding. It's a curated 684 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: collection of women led podcasts from around the world. I 685 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: have to talk to you about that, Lola. So you know, 686 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: we're collecting this incredible curated mix of women led podcasts 687 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: because discoverability is tough in the podcast world. Yeah, So 688 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: there's that, and there's a whole bunch of sort of 689 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: community you can engage with on the app as well. 690 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's Apple and Android of course, and free 691 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: to download, free to listen, and I. 692 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 2: Will have links in the show notes, so it's really 693 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 2: easy for people to literally just click the link download. 694 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 2: And I love the idea of a health hub as well. 695 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 2: I've got to say, you're also talking to a nutritionist 696 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 2: and yoga teacher, so if you need any any of. 697 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: That, yell out. 698 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 2: But I think a health hub is something that I 699 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 2: don't know, like it's just such a smart It just 700 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 2: makes total sense, Like it's such a great way to 701 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 2: empower that what you're kind of like hitting on this 702 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,919 Speaker 2: like self discovery, like changing the lens in the way 703 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,759 Speaker 2: in which we look at ourselves health is a really 704 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 2: great way to empower ourselves, I think, or having an 705 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 2: understanding of your health. And I've even learned living in 706 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 2: America women have a different health lens to what we've 707 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 2: got in Australia as well. 708 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: And how does that What do you mean by that? 709 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 2: I think we're spoiled. I think we're so lucky in Australia. 710 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 2: We have a fantastic education system as well, and obviously 711 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 2: fantastic like medicare and whatnot, and so it's just fascinating, 712 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,760 Speaker 2: like the conversations, whereas I think here it's the best. 713 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 2: It's not necessarily always this, but it's like go to 714 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 2: the doctor, get the script, and. 715 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: Then move on. 716 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 2: Whereas like I run nutrition workshops here and people like, 717 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 2: oh my god, I didn't even know that was a thing. 718 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 2: Or I'll teach them about seed oils and why we 719 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 2: want to stay away from seed oils, and like coming 720 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 2: back to whole foods because I'm a big believer in 721 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 2: like eat really good food and you're gonna feel pretty 722 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 2: down good as well. And it's just it's just fascinating. 723 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,880 Speaker 2: Like I think in Australia we're quite spoilt, and so 724 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 2: like making health super accessible to women is another superpower 725 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 2: that I think you're going to absolutely nail. So proud 726 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 2: of you for ends. 727 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: Well well and because for us, because because we're Internet radio, 728 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: you can get it, get us anywhere across the country, 729 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: and rural and regional women are overlooked very much. They 730 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:13,280 Speaker 1: have way less less positive outcomes for health. Its health 731 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: is you know, services are far less accessible, and so 732 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,800 Speaker 1: for me, I just think if we're able to just 733 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: give them a little resource where you know, women in 734 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: those remote, isolated communities can connect remotely, I mean, it 735 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: seems like a no brainer. And obviously the health system 736 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: should be doing it, but generally aren't. 737 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 2: Can I also say I have an American phone and 738 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 2: I downloaded broad Radio no problem, using the American app 739 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 2: store as well. And I know thirty percent of my 740 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,800 Speaker 2: listeners are American women as well, So just so you know, 741 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 2: if you are an American listening to this, it's available 742 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,720 Speaker 2: to you too, and you get to the awesome Lausy accent. 743 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 2: Joe Stanley, I could talk to you all day long. 744 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 2: I can't wait until the next time our paths cross. 745 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 2: Please say hi to wonderful Dazs for me as well. 746 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 2: The two of you are a powerhouse. I think I 747 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 2: always feel great whenever. 748 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: That's a whole other conversation. People working together, couples starting 749 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: businesses together. Oh my god, that's so good. But yeah, 750 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much for your support, lot, It's just 751 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: been amazing from daytime. I really have appreciate anytime, my friend. 752 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 2: I can't wait to keep watching your star rise. 753 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: So very very proud of you. Catcha back. I thank you, 754 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: my friend. 755 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 756 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 2: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation 757 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:44,919 Speaker 2: on Instagram, I'm at Yumo lollaberry. This potty my word 758 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 2: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. 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