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Speaker 1: And Amanda Gama.

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Speaker 2: You get another shark attack in our newspapers.

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Speaker 3: More people are being killed by sharks, more people are

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Speaker 3: being bitten by sharks, and more people are encountering sharks. Brendan,

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Speaker 3: how do you feel about this? It was really an

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Speaker 3: interesting story in the Herald this morning that there aren't

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Speaker 3: more sharks around. There's not more sharks, but thanks to

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Speaker 3: climate change and environmental factors, the sharks are changing their territory.

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Speaker 3: And not only that, we're spending more time in the water.

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Speaker 3: As it says here you can swim off Sydney now

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Speaker 3: all year round. More people are in the water and

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Speaker 3: so it's a growing population and the migration of sharks

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Speaker 3: because of the changing of the water condition and.

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Speaker 1: It's not just climate change.

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Speaker 2: Are the changes as well commercial fishing restrictions things like that.

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Speaker 1: There is a disquiet in the surf.

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Speaker 2: When mercury Philosarcus was killed on the Northern Beaches, that

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Speaker 2: really brought it home on Cronulla area and usually you

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Speaker 2: always think of those areas Western Australia, South Australia, even

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Speaker 2: the sharky parts.

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Speaker 3: Of the Northern coast.

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Speaker 2: We saw happened at Crowdy Bay there with these two

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Speaker 2: Swiss backpackers that are out. Unfortunately, his girlfriend lost her life.

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Speaker 2: He saved her life by attacking the bull shark. The

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Speaker 2: scary thing about that bull sharks are aggressive shark and

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Speaker 2: it's they don't usually munch two people. And that's the

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Speaker 2: that's a bit of a game changer. We had Blakie

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Speaker 2: Johnson on the show a couple of weeks ago, and

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Speaker 2: I felt, as I said, when I'm out in the

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Speaker 2: lineup in the surf and we get talking and no

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Speaker 2: one would ever really mention sharks, and I thought, we're

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Speaker 2: getting just a bit paranoid about this.

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Speaker 1: And I put that question to Blakie.

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Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time in the surf, possibly

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Speaker 4: not as much time as you do, but lately I've

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Speaker 4: just been a bit uneasy, just for the spate of

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Speaker 4: shark attacks that we had. Am I being a bit

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Speaker 4: of a panicky pants about this? Do you think, how

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Speaker 4: do you feel?

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Speaker 1: I'm a bit.

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Speaker 5: Reckless and I feel something a bit eerie about at

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Speaker 5: the moment too.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: Then there's obvious signs, lots of fish running, lots of sightings,

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Speaker 5: and the whales around, it's just there. There's something a

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Speaker 5: bit unusual about it, so I'm definitely treating it with

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Speaker 5: a bit more caution than I normally would.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of bust ups. That's when the fish

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Speaker 2: break the surface. When I go for a paddle. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of bait fish in the water. A few

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Speaker 2: weeks ago, I had an encounter. I thought it was

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Speaker 2: with a bull shark, but it was a big seal

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Speaker 2: that had come into the bay that I usually paddle

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Speaker 2: because what I do is I've got my stand up board.

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Speaker 2: I use that in the surf and then when there's

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Speaker 2: no surf, I just go for a health paddle on

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Speaker 2: my board, but also windsurf as well. And I plopped

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Speaker 2: in the water the other day and I was floating

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Speaker 2: around in the middle of the bay, just mucking around

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Speaker 2: with the sail. It was a nice day, and I've

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Speaker 2: never thought about sharks in the water. It's not something

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Speaker 2: I get panicky about. But I'd spent about five minutes

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Speaker 2: just setting the sail as I'm floating in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the bay, and I thought, wait, let's not caught,

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Speaker 2: let's not tempt faighting. So these are the things that

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Speaker 2: you think of. I think about like the young man

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Speaker 2: who rests Giddy's girlfriend at Crowdy Bay. There was a

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Speaker 2: lady on the beach. She used her swimming costume as

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Speaker 2: a tornaquet to save this guy's life. So you start

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Speaker 2: thinking about these things when you're out. You think about

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Speaker 2: your leg rape, you think about when you fall in

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Speaker 2: the water, you think about how many other people are

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Speaker 2: out surfing.

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Speaker 1: There's all these little things.

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Speaker 2: And in the time that I've been I re discovered

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Speaker 2: surfing probably in twenty thirteen through stand up paddle boards,

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Speaker 2: and I've pretty much every day out in the surf

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Speaker 2: in that time.

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Speaker 1: I've had three encounters.

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Speaker 2: With sharks, which is a lot.

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Speaker 1: So that's over twelve years.

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Speaker 2: And when I say encounters within a twenty meter radius

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Speaker 2: Cronulla point. I was out there with a mate and

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Speaker 2: I said, is that a He looked at me and

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Speaker 2: he said, what's that And I said, oh, that's just

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Speaker 2: a dolphin. And then we saw the dorsal and the

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Speaker 2: upright tail fin. That's not a dolphin. That was a

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Speaker 2: great white shark. A big shark was documented. That was

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Speaker 2: a big shark. And I've seen bull sharks, but bull

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Speaker 2: sharks are more aggressive.

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Speaker 1: A made of mine.

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Speaker 2: Johno was at Chelley beach at Cronulla and he went

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Speaker 2: out there just to relax, and this thing came towards him.

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Speaker 1: He thought it was a seal. It was a bullshark.

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Speaker 2: He put both his hands out on its snout and

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Speaker 2: pushed it away. The thing didn't come back, but like

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Speaker 2: John I said, he thought that was his number, because

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Speaker 2: the thing just rushed him.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's some discussion, as there often is when these

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Speaker 3: things happen, about culling the sharks. As part of this

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Speaker 3: article in the Herald this morning, this professor has worn

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Speaker 3: that the loss of the top predators such as white

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Speaker 3: sharks would disrupt ecosystems, potentially disrupting food web dynamics and

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Speaker 3: commercial fisheries and tourism. So you need to give thought

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Speaker 3: as to what you do. I mean, as I said,

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Speaker 3: it's the population growing as well as other factors. Here.

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Speaker 3: There's not more sharks, We're just seeing more of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it's something I can't answer. I don't

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Speaker 2: know about culling them. In the old days, Vic Haslop

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Speaker 2: he used to go he used to make a whole

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Speaker 2: thing about killing sharks. He wanted not that he wanted

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Speaker 2: sharks gone, but he would say, well, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: better them than us.

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Speaker 3: I think we've changed our fear feelings.

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Speaker 2: But you know, sharks aren't going to discriminate. They're going

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Speaker 2: to mention into whatever they're doing. That's right, And there's

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Speaker 2: more people use the waterways, but I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Do we have the right to take them out? No?

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Speaker 1: I don't know anyway, I have.

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Speaker 3: No one to take care out there.

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Speaker 2: People.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you should take up land.

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Speaker 3: Take up different parts

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Speaker 1: Take up ticket parts,