1
00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,000
Speaker 1: We might need a weather update for the whole of

2
00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:06,240
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory because we've got Central Australia representing this morning.

3
00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,160
Speaker 1: Steve Edgington, the Member for Barkley and Opposition spokesperson for

4
00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,880
Speaker 1: various portfolios, Good morning to you day.

5
00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,880
Speaker 2: Good morning Katy, and good morning to all the listeners

6
00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,880
Speaker 2: here in Darwin and Central Australia. I hope they're out

7
00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,160
Speaker 2: there listening, but yeah, perfect weather in Tenant Creek, beautiful

8
00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,360
Speaker 2: Borla at the moment.

9
00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet it is well.

10
00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,600
Speaker 1: Robin Lambley, the Independent Member for Arrah Luhn, joins us

11
00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,480
Speaker 1: as well from Alice Springs this morning.

12
00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,560
Speaker 4: Good morning to you morning Katie.

13
00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,320
Speaker 1: Lovely to have you in the studio and well also

14
00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,880
Speaker 1: well we've got from from Central Australia as well. Chancey Paik,

15
00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,599
Speaker 1: the Attorney General, Good morning to you and Deputy Chief

16
00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:40,920
Speaker 1: and is it.

17
00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,600
Speaker 5: Good morning Katy, and good morning to everyone across the

18
00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:44,400
Speaker 5: Northern Territory.

19
00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,919
Speaker 1: And Kathleen Gazola from nine years Darwin from Darwin, good

20
00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:48,640
Speaker 1: morning to your.

21
00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:51,800
Speaker 3: We most certainly are this morning.

22
00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,120
Speaker 1: And do you know what, I love it when there's

23
00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,080
Speaker 1: a Central Australian focus because there is so much to

24
00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,000
Speaker 1: discuss this morning.

25
00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,640
Speaker 3: Right across the Northern Territory. It has been an absolutely

26
00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:01,920
Speaker 3: huge week.

27
00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:02,480
Speaker 6: We know.

28
00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,320
Speaker 1: The Northern Territory budget was handed down earlier in the

29
00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,360
Speaker 1: week by the Chief Minister, Evil Lawler.

30
00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,920
Speaker 3: It's been described as a pre election.

31
00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,640
Speaker 1: Big spending budget, one which is really aimed at winning

32
00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,000
Speaker 1: votes and trying to win back the confidence of the

33
00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,039
Speaker 1: people when it comes to crime and law and order.

34
00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,119
Speaker 1: Delivering the budget in Parliament, the Chief Minister said it's

35
00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,759
Speaker 1: a common sense budget, a budget that acknowledges our two

36
00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,720
Speaker 1: highest priorities, keeping Territorians safe and making sure Territorians have

37
00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,560
Speaker 1: the skills to achieve and enjoy the best work life

38
00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,240
Speaker 1: balance that Australia has to offer.

39
00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,480
Speaker 3: But I tell you what, it comes at a price.

40
00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,360
Speaker 1: Territorians are going to be paying almost twice as much

41
00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,360
Speaker 1: interest on debt in coming years due to a surge

42
00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,760
Speaker 1: in net debt on the back of record government spending,

43
00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,800
Speaker 1: with debt forecast to hit a historic high of eleven

44
00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,880
Speaker 1: billion dollars by the end of the next financial year.

45
00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,480
Speaker 1: It's a massive amount of money. I mean, it's hard

46
00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:00,760
Speaker 1: to wrap your head around really.

47
00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:07,800
Speaker 6: Indeed, and I just heard earlier that the way the governments.

48
00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,520
Speaker 6: This government is traveling that they will be breaching their

49
00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,600
Speaker 6: debt ceiling of fifteen billion dollars almost certainly by twenty thirty.

50
00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:16,960
Speaker 3: So it still exists.

51
00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:18,720
Speaker 4: It does, it's legislated.

52
00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,799
Speaker 6: It's in this Fiscal Integrity and Transparency Act two thousand

53
00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,919
Speaker 6: and one. It was it was actually legislated at fifteen

54
00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,920
Speaker 6: billion dollars and if you look at the forward estimates,

55
00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,720
Speaker 6: we come within a whisker of that within the next

56
00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:33,560
Speaker 6: four years.

57
00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,560
Speaker 3: Wow, frightening figure.

58
00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,359
Speaker 7: I think what was the the interest of payments were

59
00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,200
Speaker 7: one point one point three million a day. It's three

60
00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,720
Speaker 7: point six increases every day, one point six million dollars.

61
00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,440
Speaker 3: G It's a lot of money.

62
00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,240
Speaker 1: And look, I understand the argument that money does need

63
00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,680
Speaker 1: to be invested into our Northern Territory police. We know

64
00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,680
Speaker 1: that money does need to be invested into corrections, into

65
00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,040
Speaker 1: a number of portfolios, and that is indeed what we've

66
00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,520
Speaker 1: heard from the Northern tierrate government this week. On the

67
00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,440
Speaker 1: flip side, we've got the opposition saying that if the

68
00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,320
Speaker 1: legislation was different, we wouldn't be in the situation that

69
00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,320
Speaker 1: we are right now. When it comes to the issues

70
00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,000
Speaker 1: of crime and law and order. Nonetheless, I'm pleased that

71
00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,880
Speaker 1: we are finally at a point where the government is

72
00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,959
Speaker 1: taking the issue of crime as seriously as it needs

73
00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,720
Speaker 1: to be taken. I mean, Chancey, the big question from

74
00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,320
Speaker 1: a lot of Territorians is, you know we're spending all

75
00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,920
Speaker 1: this additional money on jails and just you know, not

76
00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,119
Speaker 1: that long ago your photograph with a shirt on saying

77
00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,520
Speaker 1: Jalen is failing. Yeah.

78
00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,160
Speaker 5: Look, Katie, I think let's first of all acknowledge this

79
00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,960
Speaker 5: is the Treasurer and the Chief as her role being

80
00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,880
Speaker 5: the Chief Minister's first budget, it's a common sense budget.

81
00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:44,760
Speaker 8: She's absolutely said.

82
00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,720
Speaker 5: And made it very clear that she's investing in those

83
00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,600
Speaker 5: core areas that matter to Territorians. And certainly we've seen

84
00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,840
Speaker 5: that record investment in the police and certainly standing up

85
00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,680
Speaker 5: those additional facilities for women to get women out of

86
00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,160
Speaker 5: the current correctional centers, and and that obviously frees up

87
00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,640
Speaker 5: more room within those facilities. But you know, let's make

88
00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,760
Speaker 5: no mistake as well that the celp Leo Fernocchiaro came

89
00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,680
Speaker 5: out with an additional two hundred million dollars worth of

90
00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,760
Speaker 5: expenditure over the forward estimates and hasn't said how she

91
00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,960
Speaker 5: was going to pay for that, which would be further

92
00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,760
Speaker 5: debt if they were elected.

93
00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I get that, and I totally get the argument,

94
00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,240
Speaker 1: and that's been a criticism of the COLP that you

95
00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,800
Speaker 1: know that it's big spending from them as well, and

96
00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,960
Speaker 1: they've got to be able to outline how that's going

97
00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,000
Speaker 1: to be paid off. But the fact is, you guys

98
00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,359
Speaker 1: are actually in government right absolutely, and you're at the

99
00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,120
Speaker 1: point where you're eleven billion dollars in debt, you know.

100
00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,160
Speaker 3: So that's the like, that's the realting.

101
00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,960
Speaker 5: You don't most people don't sell their house to pay

102
00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,640
Speaker 5: off their mortgage because they don't have a house.

103
00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,279
Speaker 1: It's so expensive that they can't afford to pay it

104
00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,000
Speaker 1: off and then rely on getting a job that they

105
00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,919
Speaker 1: don't quite have yet to be able to pay that mortgage.

106
00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:55,560
Speaker 4: You know.

107
00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,920
Speaker 5: The territory obviously has a small population and has a

108
00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,680
Speaker 5: high need, so the work needs to continue on multiple levels.

109
00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,320
Speaker 5: They work with the Commonwealth around looking at needs based

110
00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,960
Speaker 5: funding for particular areas, but it's also about diversifying the

111
00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,440
Speaker 5: economy and that's where natural resources like gas, like these

112
00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,200
Speaker 5: major projects are critical to bringing in that enownment.

113
00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,960
Speaker 1: The government has got a bit of an issue on

114
00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,719
Speaker 1: their hands in the sense that previously, you know, you've

115
00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,000
Speaker 1: said not too long ago that that you don't support gas.

116
00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,360
Speaker 1: I understand as well that one of the one of

117
00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,520
Speaker 1: the candidates for Alas Springs had also recently said on

118
00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,560
Speaker 1: ABC radio that she didn't support gas. So have we

119
00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,520
Speaker 1: got an element within the Labor Party that don't support

120
00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,000
Speaker 1: gas all the while it is certainly a revenue source

121
00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,520
Speaker 1: that the Northern Territory Chief Ministers relying Adie.

122
00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,159
Speaker 8: The Labour Party is a broad church.

123
00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,960
Speaker 5: People have views and opinions, but the Territory Labor Government

124
00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,440
Speaker 5: is absolutely committed and we're working with the gas industry.

125
00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,320
Speaker 5: I know answered questions yesterday from the opposition as a government.

126
00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,599
Speaker 5: We're absolutely continuing our investments and working with that industry,

127
00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,880
Speaker 5: supporting the growth in that sector because that is revenue

128
00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,000
Speaker 5: that can help pay for critical infrastructure in the Northern Territory.

129
00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,400
Speaker 3: Can I put it this one? Look? I know that

130
00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,240
Speaker 3: you'll say, you know, there's a lot of variables there.

131
00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,599
Speaker 3: I'm sure and there is.

132
00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,479
Speaker 1: But you know, what would the situation be if we

133
00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,240
Speaker 1: went back to Evil Laula not being the Chief finester.

134
00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,839
Speaker 1: I mean, would the Labor Caucus and would the Labor

135
00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,440
Speaker 1: Cabinet still be supporting and pushing for gas in the

136
00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,839
Speaker 1: way that she currently is because she came out, you know,

137
00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,159
Speaker 1: sort of a day after becoming the Chief Minister saying

138
00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,080
Speaker 1: that she is the one that wants to get this

139
00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:37,599
Speaker 1: going on.

140
00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,000
Speaker 8: She's a situation, a huge advocate.

141
00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,200
Speaker 5: But remember our government under Michael Gunner, our government under

142
00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,440
Speaker 5: Natasha Files has always supported that industry and will.

143
00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,560
Speaker 1: Support it into state tracking.

144
00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,440
Speaker 5: I don't think that's a fair assessment. I think she

145
00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,119
Speaker 5: did her event at the press at the Press Club

146
00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:03,719
Speaker 5: absolutely saying about this industry. The Chief Minister's made it

147
00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,640
Speaker 5: really clear and under Chief Minister Lawla will continue to

148
00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,840
Speaker 5: insists not under Chief under as a government, our government

149
00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:12,960
Speaker 5: supports that industry.

150
00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,160
Speaker 1: Even the other day when we had Well and even

151
00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,520
Speaker 1: the other other week when we had Joel Baden, he

152
00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that he personally supported gas. He was saying

153
00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,840
Speaker 1: we support gas. I mean, do you personally support gas

154
00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:24,760
Speaker 1: and support fracking?

155
00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,960
Speaker 8: Katie? Our government support are you.

156
00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,800
Speaker 3: Talking about, mister? Do you support gas and do you

157
00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:36,600
Speaker 3: support fracking?

158
00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,840
Speaker 5: As Deputy Chief Minister, I absolutely support our government's position.

159
00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:42,600
Speaker 8: I'm supporting in.

160
00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,680
Speaker 3: Do you personally support gas and fracking.

161
00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,000
Speaker 5: Okay, we've done a lot of environmental we've introduced those

162
00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:56,560
Speaker 5: measures to enable those practices and iron satisfy all of the.

163
00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,800
Speaker 8: Work that our government has done in this industry.

164
00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:10,560
Speaker 3: Yes, no question, it's as.

165
00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,760
Speaker 5: Katie has just said, there are important variables which need

166
00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,560
Speaker 5: to be considered, and absolutely our government supports the industry.

167
00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,000
Speaker 3: You're not prepared to say that you personally support gas and.

168
00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,200
Speaker 8: Tracking, Katie.

169
00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,239
Speaker 5: Our government's made a decision and I back our government's decision.

170
00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,760
Speaker 1: So you don't, though, but you support your chief minister

171
00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:24,360
Speaker 1: and the government.

172
00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,200
Speaker 5: I support my chief minister, I support our government, and

173
00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,559
Speaker 5: I support the gas industry to be able to grow,

174
00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:38,079
Speaker 5: to be able to then invest in critical infrastructure support gas.

175
00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,400
Speaker 8: I just said, I support gas.

176
00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,120
Speaker 3: Excellent, there we go. All right, let's Steve, what do

177
00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:41,599
Speaker 3: you make of it?

178
00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:41,839
Speaker 6: All?

179
00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, look, and we will get to the Celpeace

180
00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:45,600
Speaker 1: budget replied.

181
00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,920
Speaker 2: You know, let's get back to the budget. But I

182
00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,000
Speaker 2: suppose you know, at one point six million dollars a

183
00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,959
Speaker 2: day in interest, you know, we're talking what over what

184
00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,920
Speaker 2: We're talking half a billion dollars being wasted on interest

185
00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,800
Speaker 2: at the moment. And as Robin said, it's not going

186
00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,360
Speaker 2: to be long before we face debt ceiling. But I

187
00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,640
Speaker 2: think when you look at the budget overall, there's three

188
00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,800
Speaker 2: point four billion dollars worth of revotes in there, So

189
00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,600
Speaker 2: that's three point four billion dollars worth of infrastructure that

190
00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,319
Speaker 2: hasn't been delivered, not only last year but to previous

191
00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,760
Speaker 2: years as well. And I often rattle off for some

192
00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:21,679
Speaker 2: of the ongoing projects in the Barklay that announced over

193
00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,120
Speaker 2: the last six seven years, what are you cutting and

194
00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,160
Speaker 2: they still haven't been delivered. So here we are constantly

195
00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,880
Speaker 2: rolling over money. It's high time that the government got

196
00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,360
Speaker 2: on with and delivered some of these projects because what

197
00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,880
Speaker 2: we're seeing is a greater debt, nothing to show for it,

198
00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,280
Speaker 2: no revenue being generated by this government, and at the

199
00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:40,000
Speaker 2: same time.

200
00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,800
Speaker 8: People in the because at the moment.

201
00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,880
Speaker 2: Suffering because of the incompetence of this that's just simply

202
00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,600
Speaker 2: called infrastructure in the northern we see at the moment,

203
00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,840
Speaker 2: we see the moment there is a whole lot of

204
00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,000
Speaker 2: smoke and mirrors around the police budget as well.

205
00:09:57,520 --> 00:09:59,720
Speaker 1: Well. The interesting thing at the moment is I actually

206
00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,000
Speaker 1: think it's a really interesting tact for the Labour Party

207
00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,240
Speaker 1: to now be having a crack still at the colp

208
00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,559
Speaker 1: over the spending. When you're in a situation where you're

209
00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,640
Speaker 1: eleven billion dollars in dick like that, I think is

210
00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,360
Speaker 1: an interesting tac to continue.

211
00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:16,040
Speaker 7: On Tuesday night, we've had even lawl alive on air

212
00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,680
Speaker 7: as well, and we asked the Chief Minister where she

213
00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,280
Speaker 7: would make her savings measures, because that is a debt

214
00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,600
Speaker 7: situation that is not sustainable and is continuing to grow.

215
00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,920
Speaker 7: She also couldn't say exactly where it was because a

216
00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,320
Speaker 7: we're relying on increased GST funding, which again will make

217
00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,880
Speaker 7: up what eighty five percent or whatever the astronomical figure

218
00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,760
Speaker 7: is of our budget, plus the major projects which is

219
00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,760
Speaker 7: basically solely relying on gas at the moment, Fracking and

220
00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,200
Speaker 7: Barossa because the other major projects still haven't got final

221
00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,240
Speaker 7: investment decisions. So neither side is saying where they're going

222
00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:48,760
Speaker 7: to make.

223
00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,680
Speaker 3: The Neighbor's prepared to the Public Service PA.

224
00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,240
Speaker 8: That's not true.

225
00:10:54,760 --> 00:11:01,120
Speaker 5: We have our budget is costed. We've got plenty of

226
00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,000
Speaker 5: time to cost ourdle to tell Territorians where they're going

227
00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,200
Speaker 5: to play for this additional two hundred million dollars. We

228
00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,600
Speaker 5: know that Shane Stone is pulling the strings, and he's

229
00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,280
Speaker 5: got a history of singing the strings and the swing

230
00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:22,080
Speaker 5: TI on the What was he doing before with Shane

231
00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,440
Speaker 5: doing at the moment, what was he hanging around the

232
00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,000
Speaker 5: fifth terrible this week was going?

233
00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,040
Speaker 1: And look, I will say because I think it's again

234
00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,840
Speaker 1: it's somewhere where Labor is being a bit tricky at

235
00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,960
Speaker 1: the moment by saying that that the SEALP is not

236
00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,679
Speaker 1: costing their plan because they do have until what day

237
00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,360
Speaker 1: is it, Cathleen, it's a little bit later in the

238
00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:40,600
Speaker 1: year to obviously do that.

239
00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,200
Speaker 3: It's a couple of days before the problem.

240
00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,040
Speaker 2: Look, Katie, I just want to make the point that

241
00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,600
Speaker 2: our plan will be fully costed by Treasury. And at

242
00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,920
Speaker 2: this stage we've committed to twenty twenty million to the

243
00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,560
Speaker 2: Home Start program and we said that there will be

244
00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,240
Speaker 2: forty three million dollar cost to the payroll tax. So

245
00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,520
Speaker 2: that's all we've announced at this stage. So I'm not

246
00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,680
Speaker 2: sure where the Deputy chiefment.

247
00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,440
Speaker 8: Is coming from. People, And here we go. We've got

248
00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:06,120
Speaker 8: plenty of time.

249
00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,080
Speaker 2: We've got budget estimates coming up just next month. So

250
00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,000
Speaker 2: what we'll be doing is scrutinizing what the got on

251
00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,400
Speaker 2: offer at the moment. So we're on there every day

252
00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,080
Speaker 2: of the budget estimates. But what we will do during

253
00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,560
Speaker 2: budget estimates is find out where the waste is. And

254
00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,520
Speaker 2: there's been plenty of waste over the years. You've only

255
00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,040
Speaker 2: got to look at the boundless possible straight. Fifty million

256
00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,280
Speaker 2: dollars wasted on boundless possible over the last six or

257
00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,040
Speaker 2: seven years and the last we ever saw of it

258
00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,800
Speaker 2: was advertising on a rocket being flown out of Queensland.

259
00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,440
Speaker 2: Forty thousand dollars wasted on boundless possible. But here we

260
00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:43,760
Speaker 2: have about savings. Fifty million dollars wasted on boundless possible

261
00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:44,640
Speaker 2: and we've got nothing to show for.

262
00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,440
Speaker 1: Look, I will say that hundred people people are quite

263
00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,400
Speaker 1: concerned about with the celpay at this point. Is that

264
00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,760
Speaker 1: I did think it was really good earlier in the

265
00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,760
Speaker 1: week to get a better understanding of really the colp's

266
00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,320
Speaker 1: election platform, with Leafcio delivering her replied and obviously the

267
00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,360
Speaker 1: Northern Territory Chief Minister delivering the budget, it gave everybody

268
00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,320
Speaker 1: a bit of a better understanding I think of the

269
00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,080
Speaker 1: election platforms and where that line in the sand has

270
00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:10,920
Speaker 1: realistically now been drawn.

271
00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,080
Speaker 3: But the fact is, Steve, you know there are some big.

272
00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,440
Speaker 1: Spending items there in that budget reply and the question,

273
00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,840
Speaker 1: I mean, the question does still remain, how is it

274
00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,520
Speaker 1: going to be afforded when we've got a massive level

275
00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:22,880
Speaker 1: of debt.

276
00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,560
Speaker 2: As I said, all of our costings will be costed

277
00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,360
Speaker 2: by treasury. We've got, you know, just under one hundred

278
00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,920
Speaker 2: days now to the election. As I said, budget estimates

279
00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,720
Speaker 2: coming up in June. What we will be doing is

280
00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,719
Speaker 2: going through all of these commitments.

281
00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,560
Speaker 8: By the Northern Church and government.

282
00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,480
Speaker 2: Second, looking at to where money can be better spent.

283
00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,400
Speaker 2: And as I said, the classic example over the years

284
00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,880
Speaker 2: is you know, we've seen a shade structure on Kavanagh

285
00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,240
Speaker 2: Street that costs two point seven million dollars and it's

286
00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,200
Speaker 2: costing over one hundred thousand dollars a year just to

287
00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,160
Speaker 2: maintain it because they won't change the vines on there.

288
00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,160
Speaker 2: So look at all this wastage game.

289
00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,559
Speaker 3: To me one from the CLP or change the vines, I.

290
00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:06,240
Speaker 2: Think we probably someone's going to have to at the

291
00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:06,679
Speaker 2: end of the.

292
00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,760
Speaker 8: Day to anything.

293
00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,160
Speaker 2: What we will be doing is going through all of

294
00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,720
Speaker 2: this during estimates. We've got plenty of time. All of

295
00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,560
Speaker 2: our election commitments will be fully costed by treasury and

296
00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,400
Speaker 2: we'll be happy to release that to publicly.

297
00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,000
Speaker 8: Is that a yes or no answer? On the shade

298
00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,360
Speaker 8: structure Steve what replacing the vines? Well, I'd love to

299
00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:28,080
Speaker 8: see him replaced.

300
00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,160
Speaker 4: I'm saying government, I'll get rid of.

301
00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,200
Speaker 2: Maintain, grow some vines because there's none growing on these.

302
00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,920
Speaker 8: Lines growing there now. But is that a community not

303
00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:43,640
Speaker 8: very well?

304
00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:49,680
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, get rid of the shade structure.

305
00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,120
Speaker 4: Don't worry about the vines.

306
00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,280
Speaker 3: What did you make you know you have? You've obviously.

307
00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:57,320
Speaker 8: Changed the whole election.

308
00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,200
Speaker 1: What did you make of the budget speech and also

309
00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,160
Speaker 1: the budget reply then from the seal pag.

310
00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,760
Speaker 6: Well, I thought the budget was really a statement of

311
00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,280
Speaker 6: defeat by the government. The fact that there are two

312
00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:16,560
Speaker 6: biggest platforms, biggest points if you like, were around policing

313
00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:21,120
Speaker 6: and prisons, and admission that crime is out of control.

314
00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,720
Speaker 6: It doesn't need to be restated. We all know it,

315
00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,640
Speaker 6: we experience it. The fact that we had the Minister

316
00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:33,520
Speaker 6: for Police in Parliament yesterday spooking about his astronomical police budget.

317
00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,280
Speaker 6: Why because this government's allowed crime to get out of control.

318
00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,000
Speaker 6: So I can't say I was impressed by that. And

319
00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,360
Speaker 6: in terms of Alice Springs, there really wasn't much to

320
00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,720
Speaker 6: get excited about it, or as Steve said, most of

321
00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,120
Speaker 6: the infrastructure projects in Alice Springs haven't been delivered by

322
00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,920
Speaker 6: this government. They've over promised and underdelivered. And I think

323
00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,880
Speaker 6: that's the point that people need to really keep in mind,

324
00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,720
Speaker 6: that it's very easy to make promises but almost impossible

325
00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,000
Speaker 6: to deliver when those promises are unrealistic. The Order to

326
00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,080
Speaker 6: General came out with her report this week. I haven't

327
00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,840
Speaker 6: read it, but I was a part of the Public

328
00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,760
Speaker 6: Accounts Committee and were briefed on it yesterday, and I've

329
00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,760
Speaker 6: heard some snippets from people talking about it. One thing

330
00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,040
Speaker 6: that she found pretty well across the areas that she

331
00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:26,479
Speaker 6: ordered is that there isn't a lot of information available

332
00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:31,400
Speaker 6: to measure where the money is going and what's being delivered,

333
00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,560
Speaker 6: particularly when it comes to closing the gap strategies within

334
00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,200
Speaker 6: the Northern Territory government, and interestingly with the ship lift.

335
00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,080
Speaker 6: The order she did of the ship lift, she said

336
00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,040
Speaker 6: that normally she doesn't have access to Cabinet papers, but

337
00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,760
Speaker 6: normally the information that they preside over is provided to

338
00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,560
Speaker 6: her upon request. When it came to the ship lift,

339
00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,600
Speaker 6: this government closed down and wouldn't provide her with any

340
00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,960
Speaker 6: information which only spells one thing that there's a lot

341
00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,440
Speaker 6: of suspicious activity around that a project that hasn't been

342
00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,119
Speaker 6: delivered for many, many years. It was announced by the

343
00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,560
Speaker 6: former CELP government back in twenty fifteen, and here we

344
00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,760
Speaker 6: are in twenty twenty four. This government's closed the book

345
00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,600
Speaker 6: to allowing the Order to General to have a look

346
00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:15,560
Speaker 6: at what's been going on.

347
00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,720
Speaker 3: Jase, why is it with the shiplifted so policy piece.

348
00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:24,440
Speaker 5: I was obviously something behind something at the CLP committed

349
00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,720
Speaker 5: to and they couldn't build. And you know we've obviously

350
00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,879
Speaker 5: times month before work is certainly happening in this space

351
00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:38,560
Speaker 5: to open obviously with any type of agreement that there

352
00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,960
Speaker 5: are you know, those matters that need to be worked

353
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,199
Speaker 5: through with legal teams, with you know, commercial interests and

354
00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,280
Speaker 5: so forth. So you know there is a process that

355
00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,199
Speaker 5: is being undertaken and we're going to commit it to

356
00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,280
Speaker 5: delivering that project and that's going to happen.

357
00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,879
Speaker 1: It is taking an awfully long time, though I guess

358
00:17:54,920 --> 00:18:00,960
Speaker 1: when announced forty times perceptions, I'm not one hundred percent sure,

359
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,520
Speaker 1: But what I do know is it does seem to

360
00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,560
Speaker 1: be taking an awfully long time, and I know like

361
00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,000
Speaker 1: it is a massive project. I totally understand that, but

362
00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,160
Speaker 1: a little bit like when we go back to sort

363
00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,280
Speaker 1: of right from the get go, the discussion that we're

364
00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,280
Speaker 1: having about the projections in terms of you know, in

365
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,800
Speaker 1: terms of major projects, in terms of bringing that debt

366
00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,760
Speaker 1: level down by owned source revenue and.

367
00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:22,679
Speaker 3: Getting projects going.

368
00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,560
Speaker 1: It's not a good track record to have for the

369
00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,399
Speaker 1: government at this point when you look at some of

370
00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,160
Speaker 1: the major projects that we are reliant on, and then

371
00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,960
Speaker 1: when you look at the gas and you talk about

372
00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,080
Speaker 1: that analogy of having a mortgage on your home and

373
00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,119
Speaker 1: having to pay it off and needing that income, you know,

374
00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,119
Speaker 1: that analogy being about our level of debt and needing

375
00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,840
Speaker 1: that owned source revenue or that income coming in. We

376
00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,280
Speaker 1: don't have a great track record right now on delivering

377
00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,360
Speaker 1: on major projects in the Northern Territory.

378
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,359
Speaker 5: Look, Katie, every major project is different. There are different

379
00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,280
Speaker 5: considerations that you need to take in. There's negotiations and

380
00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,679
Speaker 5: work with traditional owner groups, with local councils, with the

381
00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,880
Speaker 5: commercial partners, with the industry around using accessing the equipment

382
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:09,960
Speaker 5: or the infrastructure or.

383
00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,000
Speaker 8: The project that it is.

384
00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,240
Speaker 5: So every project is different and you need to take

385
00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,679
Speaker 5: a different approach and the considered approach for all of

386
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:17,520
Speaker 5: those projects.

387
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,320
Speaker 3: Is that what's happened with the ship lift or.

388
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,399
Speaker 5: Look, there are various aspects of that particular project that

389
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 5: have been considered that need to be going through further

390
00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:32,120
Speaker 5: negotiations with partners around the delivery of that project.

391
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 3: All right, sorry, Robin, what was it?

392
00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 6: No, I'm just taking it all listening.

393
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 2: The reality is, I think the real question is how

394
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,480
Speaker 2: many of these major projects have actually been delivered over

395
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,760
Speaker 2: the last eight years. And I think I can't even

396
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,520
Speaker 2: remember what it was, but I think the Chief Minister

397
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 2: quoted one one major project off the major project list

398
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,479
Speaker 2: has been delivered over the last eight years. And here

399
00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 2: we are constantly talking about this and that's why we'd

400
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 2: be looking at to reducing all of this by fifty percent, which.

401
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,320
Speaker 8: Is actually really worrying because what the leader of the.

402
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 5: Opposition said in Parliament this week was that she would

403
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,240
Speaker 5: have a panel that could intervene and override decisions that

404
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 5: were taking too.

405
00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 8: Long, and that's really worrying.

406
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 5: When you're working with major projects that is based on evidence,

407
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,000
Speaker 5: which is based on research and data and seas.

408
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 8: That worrying.

409
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 5: And that's why we have a territory fan places, coming

410
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 5: in and making decisions and not taking into account any

411
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,640
Speaker 5: inspected around the environment or the economy.

412
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 2: Job for at the moment is that the job. There's

413
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,199
Speaker 2: no coordination to the government. This is why it's failing.

414
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,199
Speaker 2: We'll bring in a territory coordinator to take control of

415
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 2: these major projects and make sure they're delivered for territory.

416
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: Is that actually something that you're committing to the.

417
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 4: Chance Keys come and.

418
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 5: Take my job?

419
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 1: All right, We aren't about to take a very quick break.

420
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 3: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

421
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 3: It is the week that was, well, what a busy

422
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 3: week it has been. If you've just joined us, We've got.

423
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,639
Speaker 1: Chancey Paig, Kathleen Gazola, Robin Lamley and Steve Edgington in

424
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 1: the studio this morning. Now, curfew legislation. The Northern Territory

425
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 1: government say that they're continuing their common sense plan to

426
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 1: reduce crime and anti social behavior by unveiling new legislation

427
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: that will enable curfews to be enacted more flexibly to

428
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 1: protect communities in the territory. So the Northern Territory Police

429
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 1: Force is going to administer this new curfew legislation and

430
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: any use of a curfew in the territory is going

431
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 1: to depend on operational assessments made by police. Formally declaring

432
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: curfews will require steps to be taken by the Commissioner

433
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,719
Speaker 1: of Police, and any extensions to a curfew would require

434
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: the Minister of Police to sign off on at the

435
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: positive outcomes the government sees achieved through the Alla Springs

436
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 1: Youth curfew in March, so that curfews can be an

437
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 1: effective community safety tool. Now, I know not everybody thinks

438
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: that this is a good idea. The Children's Commissioner had

439
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: come out yesterday and made some comments around it, as

440
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 1: had I believed Naja, Who've got some concerns around this. Look,

441
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: I do think it's quite a common sense approach. I

442
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: questioned the timing because I'd ask the Police Minister, Brent

443
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: Potter about this, or I'd ask him earlier in the

444
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: week whether there was going to be other legislation this

445
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: week in an effort to reduce crime, and was told

446
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 1: that there wouldn't be aside from what was already on

447
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: the agenda.

448
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 3: So I did question the timing of this.

449
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's a very good point. I was

450
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 7: just thinking about the timing of it as well, because

451
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 7: usually when the government hands down their budget, they go

452
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 7: on this big budget road show, sales pitch, you know.

453
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 7: The Treasurer chief is always out talking to different groups

454
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 7: and usually travels the breadth of the territory to sell it.

455
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,479
Speaker 7: So the fact that the exact day after they were

456
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 7: talking about this legislation that was going to be introduced

457
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 7: and then debated on urgency is very interesting that they're

458
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 7: not out really in the terms of media strategy, talking

459
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 7: about the budget per se, and instead this legislation.

460
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 3: Because we saw the.

461
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 7: Colp out talking about their new housing policy. So I

462
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 7: was very intrigued by that tact.

463
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 6: Well, they think they obviously know that they are onto

464
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 6: a winner because people now know there's evidence. There always

465
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 6: has been evidence, but there's now Northern Territory evidence to

466
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 6: indicate that curfews can work. They can be enormously effective. Look,

467
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 6: it makes me wonder about communities like what and pepper

468
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 6: Manardi that are regularly under siege. The people of pepper

469
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 6: Minardi are now suing the government for not providing safety.

470
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 6: They've been exposed to terrible trauma and assaults from allegedly

471
00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 6: by that gang of kids, the Jovi Gang. This is

472
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 6: where curfews could be brought in and used extremely effectively.

473
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 6: Now the fact the only problem I have with any

474
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 6: of this is that it wasn't done sooner.

475
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 4: It should have been.

476
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 6: We should have been talking about this five or six

477
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 6: years ago, and here we are. It's another example of

478
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 6: chances backflips. He now stated in Parliament just the other

479
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 6: day that he supports curfews. This is a man that

480
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 6: belittled me and mocked me and anyone else who talked

481
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 6: about because what.

482
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 5: You were proposing was stupid, indefinitely different, definite.

483
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 4: Ever proposed.

484
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: Of Parliament, had proposed before was stupid.

485
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: How is what the Chief.

486
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 5: Minister interim circuit breaks.

487
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 3: That's not true.

488
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: I interviewed about this before and she actually had as

489
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: an interim measure.

490
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 8: General Business Motions talked about targeting.

491
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 6: You in questioned, you are the government.

492
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 3: So you do support curfews.

493
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 5: Now the legislation that we are proposing around curfew legislation

494
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 5: brings in interim curfews to a label us to work

495
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 5: with social services.

496
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 4: To what do you actually stand for?

497
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: Robin?

498
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 3: Do you say I just want to at all.

499
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: I just want to ask what do you say to

500
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: the children's Commissioner, who yesterday said that she's deeply concerned

501
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: that this legislation increases the likelihood of declarations that will

502
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: target and harm valuable, vulnerable, sorry and marginalized groups such

503
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: as Aboriginal children and young people.

504
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 5: So the measures that are being introduced or that are

505
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 5: before the Northern Territory Legislative Assembly at the moment, measures

506
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 5: that are around interim curfews to enable government.

507
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 8: To work with service providers.

508
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 5: And agencies around standing out traditional resources and support to

509
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 5: come in some.

510
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 8: Break up. We've seen in Alice Springs.

511
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 5: We've seen in Alice Springs that when we brought in

512
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 5: that interm short term curfew, we got out with.

513
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: The legislation say that the curfew can only go for

514
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 1: a short period of time or how long can it

515
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: go for?

516
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 5: It is a maximum of seventy two hours, and then

517
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 5: an extension needs to be approved by the Police Minister

518
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 5: and the Ombudsman has to review those periods.

519
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: And so what makes that different to what Robin has

520
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: called for in the past, Because Robin said to me

521
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: in the past on this on this very show in

522
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: years gone by that she thought that an interim curfew,

523
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: a temporary interim curfew, would you know, would solve or

524
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: certainly calm things down with some of the issues that

525
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: you guys have experienced in Alice Springs before. So I

526
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 1: just I don't understand what you mean or how are

527
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: you're saying that you know that what she called for

528
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: in the past is different to what the legislation is

529
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: now that that you guys are enacting, because.

530
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 5: What we have in front of us is actual legislation.

531
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 5: It's not just coming in on the floor of Parliament

532
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 5: something this is actually saying. This is saying that we're

533
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 5: bringing in this legislation. It's got the checks and balances,

534
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 5: it's got the review period with the Ombudsman, decisions of

535
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 5: police extensions by the Police Minister.

536
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 8: We've worked with the sector.

537
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 5: The Chief Minister's been out, she's met with people, She's

538
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 5: heard from people on the ground in Central Australia and

539
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 5: circum that.

540
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 7: They're made to do in terms of introducing legislation. Robin's

541
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 7: an independent member, she can't do those things Government brings

542
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 7: in legislation. So she's been calling for a cur years

543
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 7: and then all of a sudden it's.

544
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 5: Just as an independent or as an opposition you can

545
00:27:54,960 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 5: actually bring legislation. Let's let's remember six hundred and thirty

546
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 5: days ago the CELP tried to bring in a fuel bill.

547
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: Let's also remember that when Robin has tried to actually,

548
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, ask you guys to introduce a curfew, you've

549
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: told her it was stupid, but now you guys are

550
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: prepared to do it.

551
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: So that's where.

552
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: I think we're kind of all shaking our heads a

553
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: little bit and going, well, hang on a sec is

554
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: the government is the timing of this because it's a

555
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: vote winner more than anything else.

556
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 7: And absolute vote Well that's absolutely not true, Cadie.

557
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 3: Sorry, yes, guys, Dan, we haven't given you a chance. Mate.

558
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: Look, Katie, the cop will be supporting this legislation. But

559
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: you know, it really stuns me that the Deputy Chief

560
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: Minister says that this is an opportunity to work with

561
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: other agencies. Now, this is core business that police work

562
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: with other agencies on a daily basis. So to have

563
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: to say that a curfew is going to bring these

564
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: agencies together and work together is just constantly an admission

565
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: of failure. You know, we've seen that the curfew did

566
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: work in Alice Springs, but this is another admission of

567
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: failure that the legislation that they used previously was simply

568
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: the wrong legislation. This type of legislation should have been

569
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: brought in a long, long time ago. So we'll be

570
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: supporting it. But what we want to see is that

571
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: there are proper measures in place for people that are

572
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: breaching that curfew. You know, if young people are out

573
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: there breaching curfews, then there needs to be consequences. There

574
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: needs to be programs, there needs to be boot camps,

575
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: all of those sorts of things need to be in place,

576
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: but they're simply not in place at the moment.

577
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: Look, I do want to just point out as well

578
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: that for our listeners in Alice Springs this morning, they

579
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: might be feeling pretty fired up because there's actually been

580
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: a couple of pretty serious incidents from overnight. So Northern

581
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: Territory Police calling for information after an aggravated assault that

582
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: occurred on I think it's called sicone in Alice Springs,

583
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: Ye Siconi and Ola Springs. So just before nine pm,

584
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: police received that report of an assault involving two residents

585
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: at a property on Foggetty Street. A large group of

586
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: offenders allegedly entered the yard of the property and confronted

587
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: the pair. The offenders assaulted the victims before fleeing that

588
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: location in a white Toyota troop carrier. The male victim,

589
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: age twenty seven, sustained significant facial injuries and was taken

590
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 1: to Alice Springs Hospital for further treatment. The female victim,

591
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: age thirty three, sustained minor injuries and did not seek

592
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: medical treatment. In addition to that, the police have also

593
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: arrested a man in relation to an aggravated assault that

594
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: occurred in Alice Springs overnight. About seven point thirty, police

595
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: were flagged down by a woman on Todd Street suffering

596
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: lacerations to her face and head. She was conveyed to

597
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: Alice Springs Hospital for treatment while police began investigations. Now

598
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: CCTV operators tracked her movements back to the vehicle parked

599
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: on Gregory Terrace where police believe and assault may have

600
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 1: taken place. A short time later, police received a report

601
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: that the victim's partner of thirty one year old man

602
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: was present at the hospital. Police attended the scene and

603
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: after a short footchase, that man was arrested without incident,

604
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: so he remains in custody. He's assisting police with their inquiries.

605
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: But look, anyone within foe that canisis the police. One three, one,

606
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: triple four is the number. So I do I mean,

607
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: I want to just point out we are still receiving

608
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: reports like that, you know, daily.

609
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 4: Our crime realisis continues.

610
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 8: Kay.

611
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 4: Really, there is no doubt if you.

612
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 6: Took some pressure out of the system, the curfew you

613
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 6: ended a month ago, and you can see things sliding

614
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 6: back again. That's the reality here.

615
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: We're seeing some of the most serious crimes over the

616
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: last eight years, and it's getting worse and worse and worse.

617
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: So we're seeing increases in alcohol rel outd of assaults,

618
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: domestic violence, assaults, these robbery type offenses, home invasions have

619
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: increased in the severity of the violence involved has just

620
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: increased over the years. And simply the police need better powers.

621
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: There needs to be stronger laws around bail. You know,

622
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: we've constantly called for serious vile and offenders to have

623
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: a presumption against bail, but the government, the Labor government,

624
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: has constantly resisted any opportunity to bring in stronger laws

625
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: that might make a difference in the community.

626
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 7: And I think the mayor had said that it was

627
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 7: that presence of police had been the big part of

628
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 7: the curfew in particular, that had made people feel a

629
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 7: lot safer because it was seeing those officers walking the

630
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 7: streets and being around and that included having the essay

631
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 7: police come and assist. But as I understand that they've

632
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 7: now finished our bodings.

633
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, and look, but Katie, I think let's be clear

634
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 5: the curfew is an extra item for the tool in

635
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 5: their tool and their toolbox to use to activate when

636
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 5: they need to. You know, Minister Potter has made it

637
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 5: clear that we've got the Territory Safety Division starting up

638
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 5: and opening up in Central Australia.

639
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 8: As well till July.

640
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 5: We've had this Reportory, you've got to make sure that

641
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 5: you are providing opportunities for training and up skilling of

642
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 5: the forces.

643
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: Well, because I asked this of the Chief Minister earlier

644
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 1: in the week as well, you know what's been the

645
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: turning point for you that you, as the Deputy Chief

646
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: Minister have decided well, hang on, we actually need to

647
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: take this more seriously than what we have been in

648
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: the past, because you know, while the Government was acknowledging

649
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: that we had a cry issue before Evil Laula became

650
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: the Chief Minister. She seems to have been the only

651
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: one from your cabinet that's really had the guts to

652
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: do something that's outside the box, that takes on you know,

653
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: other other groups that are you know, that are saying

654
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: what she's doing is wrong.

655
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: So what's been the turning point for you?

656
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 5: I think having the Chief continuing to work with all

657
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 5: of the cabinet and looking at and being very open

658
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 5: about continuing to look at innovative ways and working with

659
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 5: the community and going back out and talking to community

660
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 5: around the chief.

661
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: It was a captain's call.

662
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 8: No, it wasn't a captain.

663
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 3: She said it. She has said it on camera that it.

664
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 8: Was her, the team and absolutely everybody else.

665
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 5: It's a measure that is an intra measure. It's a

666
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 5: circuit breaker, you know, Katie. There's work to do in

667
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 5: all areas.

668
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 8: In our life.

669
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: It's safe to say if she wasn't the Chief Minister,

670
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: it would not have happened.

671
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 6: You know, you'd go a long way, Chancey by just

672
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 6: telling the truth, you would be consistent lies that you've

673
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 6: been constantly. You're doing yourself over.

674
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: It's interesting that we hear about this Territory Safety Division

675
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: Alice Springs because it was only what a week or

676
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: two ago. The Police Association came out and said that

677
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: since the Prime Minister visited back in what twenty three,

678
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: they're actually twenty five to twenty eight police down. But

679
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: in the same breath they're sayingly going to create a

680
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: Territory Safety Division with eighteen extra coppers. But over all

681
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 2: the Police Reviews says that we're over two hundred down

682
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: at the moment. So where are these police coming from?

683
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: Is that we are to have I believe we were

684
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: due to have quite a large contingent or about sixty

685
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: odd graduate I think June or July. But look, we're

686
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: going to take a really quick break with fast running

687
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: out of time in here, and there's still lots to discuss.

688
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

689
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: It is the week that was has been a massive week.

690
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: We know the Country Liberal Party new polling release has

691
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: shown that it shows that it has a hold, a

692
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: strong hold or a strong lead I should say, August

693
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: Northern Territory election. That's what this new poll has revealed.

694
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: In a report by Matt Cullingham from Sky News, it

695
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: also showed though that Labours clawed back some significant ground

696
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: after the leadership of new Chief Minister Eva Lawler. Now,

697
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: the poll by Freshwater Strategy on behalf of Australian Energy

698
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: Producers NT shows the COLP is ahead fifty four to

699
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: forty six on a two party preferred basis. The survey

700
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: of one thousand voters, with a margin of era of

701
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: three percent, shows that more than a quarter of voters

702
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: are still undecided ahead of the election on August twenty four,

703
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: So just seventeen percent of respondents said that they'd vote

704
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: for Labor when they were first asked, thirty three percent

705
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: said they'd vote for the COLP, seventeen percent said that

706
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: they were undecided, oh sorry, seventeen percent said independent, and

707
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: seven percent would vote for the Greens. Now when they

708
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: were pushed, Labour's primary vote improved to twenty nine percent,

709
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: behind the COLP on tho twy nine percent, an independent

710
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: on twenty two percent and the Greens on nine percent.

711
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 2: What do you make of us, Well, I think at

712
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 2: this stage, Katie, look, we're focused on it's an interesting poll,

713
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: no doubt about it, and there's people that are interested

714
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 2: in looking at the poll. But look, as a CORP

715
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: team we've got a good, strong team. We're out and

716
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: about at the moment talking to people on the ground,

717
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: and we're implementing the policies that people are raising with us.

718
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: So that's why we've brought in the home build scheme,

719
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: that's why we've reduced the payroll tax. We've released our

720
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: crime policy, and we've released our corrections policy. This is

721
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: what people are telling us on the ground. Over the

722
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: next one hundred odd days or ninety nine days or

723
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: ninety eight whatever it is. At the moment, we're going

724
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 2: to be out there constantly talking to territorians to find

725
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: out what matters most to them, and that's what we're

726
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 2: focused on at the moment.

727
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 6: What did you make of the polling, Robin, Well, it's

728
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 6: certainly going to be a contest, isn't it. I remember

729
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 6: in the lead up to the last election in twenty twenty,

730
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 6: the polling suggested an outcome that was very different from

731
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 6: what actually happens. So I'm very mindful that these things

732
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 6: can change. I think even Lawler is starting to resonate,

733
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 6: but I think it's all too little, too late. I

734
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 6: personally feel that a change of government is absolutely essential

735
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 6: for Central Australia. For my part of the world, we

736
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 6: cannot survive another four years of this.

737
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: Chelsea, what did you make of it?

738
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 8: Ah?

739
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 5: Look, I think just following on from what Robin has said,

740
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 5: polls can say things and the outcome can be very different.

741
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 5: I think the poll that matters is the poll on

742
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 5: the twenty fourth of August, when you know territories go

743
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 5: to the polls. I think, certainly, when we look at

744
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 5: what we've done, we're getting on with the business of

745
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 5: doing and delivering in the territory.

746
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 8: And certainly I disagree with Robin.

747
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 5: I think that you know, Labor is certainly the best

748
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 5: party for the territory. And when I look at the Bush,

749
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 5: I see the significant investment that we've seen, and we

750
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 5: know that when the CELP were in government they built

751
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 5: one house in the last two years of their term

752
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 5: in the Bush, which has had disastrous consequences.

753
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: Is that where the Labor Party is really hoping to

754
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: win the next election in the Bush.

755
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 5: Every seat matters to the Labor Party and every territory

756
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 5: in matters and will certainly be out there. There's three

757
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 5: months until the election and as Robin said, it'll be

758
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 5: a tight contest.

759
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: Are there any seats that you guys see as being

760
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: sort of quiet. I mean, how are you looking at it, Kathleen, Like,

761
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: are you kind of looking at it and going, oh, well,

762
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: you know, this seat's really tight. I mean, I can

763
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: think of a few just off the top of my

764
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: head that I think are going to be really interesting,

765
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: you know, the like support Darwin for example, fong Lim

766
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: I think is going to be very interesting. I think

767
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: the seats out in Palmerston as well are going to

768
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: be ones to keep an eye on. I also believe

769
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: Karama is going to be a really interesting one to

770
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: keep an eye on. There are just a few that

771
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: I can think of off the top of my head,

772
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: and I'll be really blunt. I don't have as good

773
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: an understanding of the issues out in those remote communities

774
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: or in those more remote areas as to how the

775
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: those bush seats could change. But what I do know is,

776
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: and all of our listeners know this, is that I

777
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: worked for Rob Knight several years ago when he was

778
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: a member for Daily And what I know is that

779
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: those bush seats can also.

780
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: Turn on a dime.

781
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: So it's really interesting, you know, It's always a very

782
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: interesting thing to keep an eye on, and that polling

783
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: really doesn't look very often at those bush areas.

784
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 7: And I think a lot of people wouldn't be surprised

785
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 7: by the polling, just given that the issues that we've

786
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 7: seen and you know a lot of the callers and

787
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 7: sentiments that you get to your show, in particular at Katie,

788
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 7: but of course in the Northern territory, I think you

789
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 7: do have to drill it down to those individual electorates.

790
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 7: It is so different to you know, a federal election

791
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 7: that you know overall people are unhappy potentially with whatever

792
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 7: party is in power, and you know governments lose elections

793
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 7: rather than the other way around. But when you do

794
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 7: drill it down into those individual seats, it becomes a

795
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 7: very different game.

796
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: Well, particularly when you look at local issues, right and

797
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: even in somewhere like for the seat of Johnson, also

798
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: Nightcliff and even Oh I can't think oh, and Fanny

799
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: Bay and then also fong Limb, there's an issue there

800
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: that's that seems like a small issue, which is the

801
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: moving of Osmond House. And you know there's Saint Vinnie's

802
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: into another electorate that will have a lot of people

803
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: very concerned like.

804
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 7: Thes and you touched on the seats in Palmerstan And

805
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 7: with that polling that Matt revealed was that you know

806
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 7: that polling had gotten better from Labor because Eva had

807
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 7: come in and taken the leadership because of the way

808
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 7: that I think she has come out and been very upfront,

809
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 7: and you know, she she says she doesn't care if

810
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 7: she's made a backflip. She had to make a captain's call,

811
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 7: Radi Radi ra. But her seat is definitely up for

812
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 7: grabs in Palmestan, so it's not a guarantee if they

813
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 7: do win power that she's still rouster building them.

814
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 5: From what Cat's talked about, there's a whole bunch of consideration.

815
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 8: So every four years, Steve.

816
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 5: Robin and me and every member of the Assembly has

817
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 5: boundary redistribution. Yep, we've got electorates here in the territory

818
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 5: of just over six thousand people. So you know, every

819
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 5: there's no such thing in the territory as a safe seat.

820
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 5: Everyone takes their seat seriously and voters absolutely are across

821
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 5: the issues and every election, either party, there are always

822
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 5: those wow factors that no one even thinks that happened.

823
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,959
Speaker 5: That happened, so it's really hard to gate.

824
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, you go seat.

825
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: I was going to say, and I think you know,

826
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: Robin touched on a few issues there, but you know,

827
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 2: the reality is, and I think you know, on one hand,

828
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: chances saying that they've delivered in the Bush, but you've

829
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: only got to look at my electorate at the moment.

830
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 2: We've got schools closing. We've had a police station closed

831
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 2: at our perroom, so the Corella Creek school is closed.

832
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: I was up in Bora Lula the other week. The

833
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: high school is closed. So there's a whole range of

834
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: things going on out the Bush at the moment. You've

835
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: got the government talking about record investment, but the reality

836
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: is on the ground, particularly in the Bush where I

837
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 2: amnumber of projects that haven't been delivered. In Tenant Creek,

838
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: I've estimated that around about seventy million dollars that has

839
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: been forgotten about by the labor government hasn't been delivered

840
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: over the eight years. School's closing, police stations closing, and

841
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: there's still people living in the crowded house.

842
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: I do want to just go to both you Steve

843
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: and also you Chancey, I mean for both of the

844
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: parties at this point in time, like what would a

845
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: scenario look like if out in a seat in Palmerston

846
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: like evil lawlers. I mean, she is very busy doing

847
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: the job of the Chief Minister at the moment and

848
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: rightly so, all the while her opponent Clinton how you know,

849
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: if you look at his Facebook, he's draw knocked every

850
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: house out there from what he sees. I mean, what

851
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: would a what would a Labor government look like if

852
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: Eva is not the chief Minister?

853
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: Is it you stepping in?

854
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 8: Look?

855
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 5: That is a matters like for any party that your

856
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 5: party and very great would look And I mean the

857
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 5: CLP would never have Robin back, that's what they say.

858
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 5: But yet they don't have a candidate for Arah Luin.

859
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 4: So he like.

860
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 5: A great She is a great chief Minister and she'll

861
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 5: continue to be a great chief minister.

862
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 8: And you know they are.

863
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 5: Matters for the caucus. But you know, like again, elections

864
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 5: are tight. Steve Edgington only won by five votes and

865
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 5: we're looking to get those.

866
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 8: Five votes back.

867
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 5: And we absolutely got a candidate for every seat and

868
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 5: they'll be announced as we get closer to the election,

869
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 5: not just one yet. We've got a candidate one I

870
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 5: haven't been announced.

871
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 8: Yet, Steve.

872
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: I mean for you, you did only by by five

873
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: seats and for some people there touting you as the

874
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: next CELP leader, look.

875
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: Was it was a type margin. Look, the reality was

876
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: that the first references I want about about two undred votes.

877
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: You know, there was an independent in Boro Lula that

878
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: took a number of first preferences and preference Labor. So look,

879
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: there was a few issues there, but the reality is

880
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: that the COLP took that seat after thirty years of

881
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: inaction by the Labor government. So that's why I'm in

882
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 2: the position because of all of the inaction by the

883
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: Labor government. I've been out and about talking to people

884
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: on the ground. I understand what the issues are that

885
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: they're facing, and they've had it worse and worse and

886
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: worse over the last four years. And I've just highlighted

887
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 2: the schools that are closing, police station closing, still overcrowded houses,

888
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 2: and important infrastructure in and look, stay tuned to my

889
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: budget refined.

890
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 8: Next week because.

891
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 2: I'll be pointing out morally because there's simply not enough

892
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 2: money coming into the Barkley. There's been a few announcements

893
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: even a look. Look, the government announced a new school

894
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: for Ali Krunk, but it won't even take place till

895
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 2: the second quarter.

896
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 8: In twenty twenty five.

897
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 2: It will just never be delivered.

898
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to take a really quick break because

899
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: I know Robin and Chelsey need to catch a plane.

900
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

901
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: We will be back to wrap things up. Well, we

902
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: have just about run out of time and in the

903
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: studio I'm massive. Thank you of course to all of

904
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: our guests. Steve Edgington, thank you so much for your

905
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 1: time this morning representing the COLP.

906
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: Thanks Coty. Great morning and we've gone another week. Apartment

907
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: next week so we'll still be here for another week. But

908
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: good morning to all the listeners out there.

909
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for your time this morning. Steve Robin Lamley,

910
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: the independent member for our lun thank you for your

911
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: time this morning.

912
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me Katie.

913
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 3: Anytime you're in Darwin.

914
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola nine News Darwin, thank you, thank you. And

915
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: Chancey Paig the Attorney General and Labor Rep for this morning.

916
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 3: Thank you.

917
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: And the deputy checkin so I always go the Attorney

918
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: General first and forget the deputy checking.

919
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 5: Thanks Katie, Thanks to all your listeners. Have an amazing

920
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 5: weekend right across the territory. The weather is perfect at

921
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 5: the moment and there's so much on and as Stephen

922
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 5: Robins said last week, next week is the last week

923
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 5: of the fourteenth Legislative Assembly before we go into estimates

924
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 5: and then before we head to the polls on the

925
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 5: twenty fourth of August.

926
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 8: So lot's happening.

927
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: Exciting times for me and Kathleen, Busy times for absolutely

928
00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: every year.

929
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 5: But you know, leading up, you know we'll have the

930
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 5: obviously heading up, we'll have the last speeches for the member.

931
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 8: For Goidi and Port Darwin as they finish their terms.

932
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeap, Yeah, it's going to be a busy time.

933
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 8: I don't know you what are you doing.

934
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: To thank you all so much for your time this morning?

935
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: And is mixed one O four nine's three sixty.

936
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 4: That was the week that was