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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's I.

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Speaker 2: Have been totally hooked on the ABC series exposed the

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Speaker 2: episodes of Ghost Train five and the last one of

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Speaker 2: which is on tonight ABC at eight thirty. But is

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Speaker 2: just an amazing, amazing piece.

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Speaker 3: The Ghost Train four Scholl meets were among the seven

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Speaker 3: years parish. They were right in front of me and

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Speaker 3: everything you've loved.

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Speaker 2: Everybody said it wasn't accident.

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Speaker 1: It's taken me in forty years to finally.

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Speaker 2: Tell my story.

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Speaker 1: I was one of the first detectives on the scene.

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Speaker 2: I've never spoken publicly.

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Speaker 3: If I was a result of four, if.

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Speaker 1: The fusbox was to cause, how is it one of

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Speaker 1: the only things still standing? What do you think calls

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Speaker 1: this fire us as?

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Speaker 3: The cover up was wrong and reddle there is somebody

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Speaker 3: that got away with murder. It's time for the truth. Extraordinary,

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Speaker 3: isn't it? Well? Last week we spoke to report a

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Speaker 3: Caro Meldrim Hannah, she's the person behind this ABC series.

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Speaker 3: This was the Luna Park fire forty two years ago,

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Speaker 3: killed seven. As we heard there, we were all told

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Speaker 3: it was an electrical fire. We are now hearing it

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Speaker 3: was deliberately lit and some more bombshell information this morning.

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Speaker 3: Caro Meldrim, Hannah, Hello, good morning, Good morning. All right,

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Speaker 3: let's pick up the slack as it were. We were

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Speaker 3: saying last week, who is behind this? That information has

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Speaker 3: been made public this morning.

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Speaker 1: That's right. So tonight we're fingering the prime suspect behind

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Speaker 1: this fire. We're fingering the police who are behind it

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Speaker 1: A bent cop. We're fingering the former premier of New

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Speaker 1: South Wales. Also a former High Court judge who was

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Speaker 1: the premier Carro never Ran. Whoa wow?

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Speaker 3: Who High Court judge?

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Speaker 1: Who was the judge? Lionel Murphy?

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Speaker 2: Wow? Hello Murphy, Yeah he was.

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Speaker 1: So it's this enormous web that we interrogate and reveal tonight. Now,

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Speaker 1: the prime suspect behind this fire, it's been rumored for

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Speaker 1: some time now, is Abe Saffron, basically Australia's al Capone,

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Speaker 1: Mister Sin, the King of King's Cross. He was only

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Speaker 1: ever done for tax evasion. Abe Saffron, he was certainly

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Speaker 1: never done for this. Now it's been rumored that he

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Speaker 1: was behind this, but no one from police has ever

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Speaker 1: come out to support this theory. And now for the

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Speaker 1: first time we've got multiple former police officers, some quite

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Speaker 1: senior who are breaking their silence to say on record

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Speaker 1: tonight that organized crime was behind the Lunar Part Ghost

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Speaker 1: trained fire one hundred percent and that Abe Saffron enlisted

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Speaker 1: a group of bikis or Humpty dumptyes as this former

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Speaker 1: police officer tells us fall guys to light the fire

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Speaker 1: and if they got caught, they take the fall. And

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Speaker 1: that on top of that, senior police thwarted investigations, any

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Speaker 1: potential investigations into Saffron because the police were corrupt.

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Speaker 2: Well, and last week's episode that would explain that because

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Speaker 2: there was the witnesses that saw the bikeis they heard

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Speaker 2: the words kerosene matches and you shouldn't have done that,

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Speaker 2: and all those leads were led to go cold. And

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Speaker 2: you had seven eyewitnesses to seeing those bikeies ten minutes

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Speaker 2: on the ghost train before it caught on fire exactly.

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Speaker 3: So to what end? So we have the bikeis lighting

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Speaker 3: the fire, we have Abe Saffron getting the bikies in,

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Speaker 3: we have a High Court judge and a premiere. So

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Speaker 3: far up the chain to what end?

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Speaker 1: Well, as with any Sydney story, there's always a property angle.

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Speaker 1: Now Lunar Park was and still is a developer's dream.

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Speaker 1: It's prime harbor, foreshore land, Kuching, next to the Harbor Bridge, Kaching,

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Speaker 1: opposite the Opera House. But something stood in the way

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Speaker 1: to develop that, this theme park, this funfair, this beloved

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Speaker 1: institution in Sydney. How do you get rid of it?

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Speaker 1: You torched the place. Now that may sound really crude

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Speaker 1: and very extreme, but Abe Saffron's emma was Arson. That

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Speaker 1: he was linked to a space of suspicious fires across

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Speaker 1: Sydney at this exact period of time. Now, he was

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Speaker 1: never done for any of them, and Luna Park fell

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Speaker 1: within this time frame. Now it wasn't an insurance job,

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Speaker 1: as some people have rumored. This was absolutely as we

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Speaker 1: hear from the insiders, Arson for personal gain to evict

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Speaker 1: the then businessmen who were running Luna Park and take

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Speaker 1: over that land. So we look at the company who

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Speaker 1: won that tender, who won that Luna Park land, that

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Speaker 1: it was a company with multiple links to Abe Saffron.

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Speaker 1: His cousins and his nephew were running the company in

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Speaker 1: the financial controller that won Luna Park after the fire,

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Speaker 1: who helped him get that land, Who helped that company.

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Speaker 1: And that's where the former premier Neville Ran and the

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Speaker 1: High Court Judge Linel Murphy come in with this explosive

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Speaker 1: phone intercepts where they're apparently taped recorded by police discussing

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Speaker 1: how to swing the land to Abe Saffron secretly and.

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Speaker 2: Was it so la sadayis? Why would these guys set

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Speaker 2: fire to it when people were on the ride? Is

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Speaker 2: that how blase they were in the seventies with this

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Speaker 2: sort of thing. They just couldn't be bothered coming back

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Speaker 2: and breaking into the place when it's closed down exactly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, why I torched the place when there were

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Speaker 1: children inside? Now I think it may well have been

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Speaker 1: and some people discussed this, Perhaps it wasn't the motive

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Speaker 1: to actually kill people that this fire got out of

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Speaker 1: hand quickly. I mean, remember it, the fire did start

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Speaker 1: right at closing time, so it began very late in

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Speaker 1: the night, and it may well be that they didn't

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Speaker 1: know that there were people inside. But that's one thing.

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Speaker 1: What we've also confirmed is that in terms of that

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Speaker 1: police officer right you mentioned before who said it was

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Speaker 1: an electrical fault, his name's Detective Inspector Doug Knight, and

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Speaker 1: everybody has been asking who is this guy? How did

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Speaker 1: he do that? How did he announce that so quickly? Well,

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Speaker 1: tonight we reveal that Doug Knight, the lead inspector in

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Speaker 1: police who was running this, was actually known as the

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Speaker 1: fixer inside New South Wales Police. That he manipulated, deleted,

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Speaker 1: changed evidence and intimidated witnesses. That was his conduct, and

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Speaker 1: that he did a job on the Lunar Park fire investigation.

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Speaker 1: He was on the payroll of organized criminals.

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Speaker 2: Wow, this is amazing as people for the.

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Speaker 3: People who lost children and loved ones in that fire,

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Speaker 3: will we see prosecutions from this?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's a very good question. And this really

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Speaker 1: demands answers from our authorities, from the Police Commissioner, from

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Speaker 1: our premier, from our police minister, from the coroner's office.

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Speaker 1: So all of the families have come together and they've

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Speaker 1: put together this extraordinary document to petition essentially supported by

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Speaker 1: the witnesses that were there that night, by multiple police insiders,

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Speaker 1: even by the former New South Wadal's Attorney General who

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Speaker 1: signed it as well, who are all calling for an

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Speaker 1: inquiry to be launched, a new coronial in quest, and

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Speaker 1: even a Royal commission because the allegations they go so high,

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Speaker 1: you know, as these police tell us who are involved

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Speaker 1: in this, who heard or read these conversations with the premiere.

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Speaker 1: This went right to the top, the corruption. That's what

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Speaker 1: this looks like. Now we don't we live in a

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Speaker 1: society now where we should not stand for this. And

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Speaker 1: the families are sickened, they are appalled, they are exhausted,

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Speaker 1: as are many inside police, and they are demanding answers

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Speaker 1: as justice and justice as they well deserve.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of the players in this are now dead.

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Speaker 2: So I guess some people that are alive and are

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Speaker 2: still accountable, and I guess they would be.

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Speaker 3: Very very They just need to be outed, you know,

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Speaker 3: how can we have a trust authority?

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Speaker 2: Need to out there and this is what people are

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Speaker 2: skeptical of our leaders, especially in the great state of

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Speaker 2: New South Wales. Well, Caro, it's fantastic to watch it.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking for seen in the final episode of The

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Speaker 2: Ghost Train Fire on ABC eight thirty tonight.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Carol Jonesy and Amanda's Gamnation