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Speaker 1: Well, a very good morning to you. It is Friday morning.

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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was. And in

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Speaker 1: the studio with us this morning, we've got the Deputy

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Speaker 1: Opposition leader Jared Maylee.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: Great have you in the studio from nine News Darwin.

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Speaker 1: We have got Georgie Dickerson. Good morning to you, Georgie.

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Speaker 3: Morning, Happy Friday. Who love Friday?

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Speaker 1: And we've gone over here in the I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what corner it is, the right corner, the left corner?

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Speaker 3: What would you call it?

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Speaker 1: Easyureic the Independent member for Goider.

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Speaker 4: Morning Katie, morning bush people.

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Speaker 3: Great have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: And we've also got Brent Potter, the Minister for Police,

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Speaker 1: and various other portfolios for the Labor Party.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Katie.

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Speaker 5: Feels like a dry season.

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Speaker 1: It was lovely this morning. Actually a little bit cooler,

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Speaker 1: a little bit drier. Let's hope that it, you know,

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Speaker 1: starts to cool right down.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: There is so much to discuss this morning. I do

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Speaker 1: just want to take you to a bit of local

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Speaker 1: news and the Territory Duty Superintendent Mark Bland has has

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Speaker 1: said that at about eleven thirty last night, police received

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Speaker 1: reports that a woman had allegedly in the lagoon at

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Speaker 1: the Darwin Waterfront Precinct. Emergency services attended and the woman

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Speaker 1: was declared deceased at the scene. That death is not

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Speaker 1: believed to be suspicious and a report will be prepared

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Speaker 1: for the coroner. Now, I know we've had people contacting

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Speaker 1: us about that, so I did just want to give

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Speaker 3: A bit of an update. But there is so much

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Speaker 1: This week when it comes to the news, and we

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Speaker 1: might start with the incident at john Dale where we

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Speaker 1: saw fourteen kids climb onto the roof of the don

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Speaker 3: It was just a day or so ago and a riot.

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Speaker 1: I mean it saw a police officer taken to hospital

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Speaker 1: and a building set alight. Police Acting Deputy Commissioner Martin

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Speaker 1: Dole said that police were called to don Dale about

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Speaker 1: four pm on Wednesday. Now, he said these fourteen young

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Speaker 1: people had initially climbed onto the roof and were throwing

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Speaker 1: projectiles at the attending members and staff. An officer was

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Speaker 1: injured and taken to hospital with injuries from that dial.

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Speaker 1: Now my understanding he had a fractured leg or a

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Speaker 1: broken leg.

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Speaker 5: Is early condition.

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Speaker 6: That's the scene for a cross and All and Chertory

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Speaker 6: chaos and chaos in the mad where you are, chaos

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Speaker 6: in the prisons, chaos in Dondale, or chaos on the street,

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Speaker 6: and it just all goes back to the Labor government's

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Speaker 6: failed policies, especially on youth crime. These kids are in

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Speaker 6: there and they can't even control I'm not keeping the

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Speaker 6: kids safe in don Dale, not keeping people safe in

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Speaker 6: the community.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, the fact they're on the roof, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty wild that they're up on the roof in the

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Speaker 1: first place. That vision is horrible. I think if you

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Speaker 1: you know, I can understand, and there absolutely needs to

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Speaker 1: be people advocating for these kids.

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Speaker 3: I get that.

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Speaker 1: But if you sort of just listen to those advocates

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Speaker 1: and what they are saying, and they're saying that don

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Speaker 1: Dale's not fit for purpose, I get that. And you know,

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Speaker 1: no doubt we'll talk about about the new facility being built,

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Speaker 1: but you are talking about young people here who from

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Speaker 1: what I have been told, we spoke to Matt Cunningham

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Speaker 3: Georgie, I'm sure you've heard the same.

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Speaker 1: There has been an escalation over the last few weeks

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Speaker 1: in terms of dangerous behavior towards the guards there. As

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Speaker 1: I understand it, there was a female guard who had

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Speaker 1: her arm broken. There's been some pretty horrible stuff happening.

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Speaker 1: And then to wind up in a situation where they're

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Speaker 4: That's I was going to follow up with that comment, Katie,

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Speaker 4: is for people who are unt aware and listening to

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Speaker 4: this show. The people who are in don Dale are

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Speaker 4: at the end of the line. They're in that jail

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Speaker 4: and let's call it a jail, detention center whatever, because

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Speaker 4: they have committed crimes and they have been found guilty

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Speaker 4: You know, they get put on diversion programs, their hand

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Speaker 4: gets held, you know, put in cotton will, all that

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Speaker 3: It's unacceptable.

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Speaker 4: It's a jail and they're wrong. They're criminals.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and some of that what you were just saying

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Speaker 7: before some of those incidents, staff electrocuted a woman attacked,

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Speaker 7: had unbroken as staff member, even stabbed apparently in the

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Speaker 7: obviously didn't deny blatantly that these events had happened, but

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Speaker 7: they did say that investigations were continuing.

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Speaker 3: And it's just you know, they say that there's.

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Speaker 4: Enough why it needs correctional service officers and they're not

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and they said that is enough workers, but obviously

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Speaker 7: how is there enough workers if kids are escaping and

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Speaker 7: getting onto the roof late.

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Speaker 4: At night, even that afternoon.

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Speaker 6: Moving to corrections, and remember labor for eight years to

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Speaker 6: talk about don Dale and getting new prison up and running,

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Speaker 6: and it's been delay after delay.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about the delays in just a sick but.

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Speaker 5: I'll go to Jared and then I'll answer the other

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Speaker 5: three points. Jared, when you guys had government and you

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Speaker 5: had the Youth Justice facility and it was under corrections,

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Speaker 5: you had youth offenders breakout, stealer, can't break in. The

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Speaker 5: defenders that got on the roof the other day did

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Speaker 5: not breach the walls. They were still inside don Dale.

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Speaker 5: Let's be really clear for your listening which prison drove

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Speaker 5: a car back in under the seal piece. I don't

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Speaker 5: pretend you could do any better, because you didn't.

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Speaker 1: Better though that they're on the roof throwing projectiles on

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Speaker 1: the ground, yet inside of.

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Speaker 5: The facility, which is what we want them. We don't

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Speaker 5: want them getting out. These are the most violent youth defenders.

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Speaker 5: They're in there. That's the exact reason they're in there.

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Speaker 5: And unfortunately we've had a series of assaults against staff.

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Speaker 5: But the same training that our youth correct our youth

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Speaker 5: justice officers get, with the same training what the corrections

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Speaker 5: would have, they're going to be the same people. You

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Speaker 5: don't have a pool of people that you would swap out.

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Speaker 5: And in what I can say Katie is those those

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Speaker 5: offenders that got up on the roof will be charged,

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Speaker 5: They will go before the court. Again, they're still in

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Speaker 5: don Dale, and ultimately there's no excuse for the behavior.

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Speaker 5: That the facilities in many cases better than the home

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Speaker 1: Reason for the case the damage like how much are

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Speaker 1: we anticipating that it's going to cost and who pays

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Speaker 5: Well, ultimately we'll have to go through into the assessment

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Speaker 5: we government upfront and then we'll seek restitution. That's what

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Speaker 5: should be happening. And we brought laws in last year

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Speaker 5: that we change where it said that if offender has

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Speaker 5: got to pay out, for example, and they owe the

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Speaker 5: to the Royal Commission and how there was people in

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Speaker 5: debt selling that we had to pay and we changed

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Speaker 5: that last year.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I hope that you know, I do hope

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Speaker 1: that there is a consequence to the actions. Particularly for me,

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Speaker 1: the main thing is when you see someone injured as

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Speaker 1: a result of the behavior then and and absolute, you know,

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Speaker 1: blatant disregard for everybody around them when you're throwing projectiles.

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Speaker 4: What's a break a leg means that's a fairly.

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Speaker 3: It's a massive, it's a massive.

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Speaker 4: Picture is broken.

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Speaker 5: The initial advice I got was fractured, and I've seen

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Speaker 5: something since then they've been discharging it. Potentially wasn't that

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Speaker 5: So I'm happy to clarify it.

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Speaker 3: Injured enough in hospital in the first place.

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Speaker 5: He's just worth making it clear that it's not confirmed yet.

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Speaker 5: But yes, they shouldn't have assalded the officer and it

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Speaker 7: But in the fact the TRG was also called in

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Speaker 7: obviously shows how serious it was.

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Speaker 5: Well, no, two things. TRG and the Territory Safety Division

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Speaker 5: a specialist in import trainings of public order response training,

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Speaker 5: so they're the officer is the best place to inside

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Speaker 7: But still the fact that we're having public in the

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Speaker 7: first place for kids, it obviously shows that they're doing.

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Speaker 2: Detention center yep, the prison environment.

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Speaker 3: It's a prison or when the.

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Speaker 5: Prison in behmar for the jail in how it springs

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Speaker 5: when that when this semilar incident happened there, it was

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Speaker 5: police that attended as well. So they are the ones

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Speaker 5: that are specialized to do it, and they're the best

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Speaker 5: justice officers, who clearly were unable to contain it, having

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to get to the part of the

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Speaker 1: discussion where you know, we have got advocates saying, well,

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Speaker 1: the building is not fit for purpose.

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Speaker 3: You know that's the problem. It's not fit for purpose.

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Speaker 4: Well but well, no, Jarl is could you argue is

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Speaker 4: fit for purpose? It is what it is. And the

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Speaker 4: officers who deal with it whether it be youth or

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Speaker 4: parameters that they are given. It's a temporary thing. There's

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Speaker 4: going to be this new jail for kids open up

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Speaker 6: Which has been eight years and massive delays and massive

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Speaker 6: cost blowouts, and I've been there to look at it.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty flash, pretty flash.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like a lot a lot more fatility than

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Speaker 6: I expect. Your own went there was like all out

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Speaker 6: in the opening set out really nicely. But it's just

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Speaker 6: been a delay after delay because the labor comement promises

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Speaker 6: I think eight.

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Speaker 2: Years ago they were going to do that.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, it's definitely it's definitely delayed, definitely.

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Speaker 2: Massive costum is the problem microphones.

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Speaker 5: But originally it was meant to go into Pinelands. The

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Speaker 5: community didn't want it there. That delayed by a year,

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Speaker 5: and that's the delay that we're seeing come through now.

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Speaker 5: And then you had COVID over that period of time

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Speaker 5: and I'm trying to get some renovations. It's difficult the

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Speaker 5: moment to get builders, it is difficult to get supplies.

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Speaker 5: Had COVID and then at a year's delay because the

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Speaker 5: original location wasn't agreed to look.

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Speaker 1: I guess that you know the situation that we're in

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Speaker 1: though as well at the moment, as you've got some

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Speaker 1: advocates saying, well, these kids should.

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Speaker 3: Not be in there, you know, like it's not appropriate.

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Speaker 3: Well this is the problem.

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Speaker 1: They shouldn't be in there, is what they're saying. But

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Speaker 1: if they're not in there, well where are they going

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Speaker 1: to go? Because we are talking about people who've committed serious, serious.

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Speaker 5: Place for youth attention for certain youth, and the people

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Speaker 5: that are in there at the moment to be there'd

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Speaker 5: be under no illusion they've committed the offending, and that's

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Speaker 6: That's because of the message of the labor government putting

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Speaker 2: You know, raise responsibility. They've taken away.

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Speaker 6: The police are powered to deal with the alcohol and

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Speaker 2: You know, decriminalize literally just lie, decriminalize.

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Speaker 6: The You can have your timilated Britan too, and you

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Speaker 1: Which government stip if you are elected in August, if

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Speaker 6: Okay, Well, there's lots of things we're going to do.

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Speaker 7: What's going to happen then, because a lot of them

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Speaker 6: we're going to make breach of bail and offense. We're

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Speaker 6: Because these kids really haven't been to school. They probably

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Speaker 2: Better when they get out. Unlike labor, we just leave

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Speaker 7: Skill is good, but who's going to staff And I

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Speaker 3: Getting there because they do need to education.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, they aren't education.

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Speaker 6: And that's why because the Labor government have failed, because

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Speaker 3: We hear that right across to be speaking to that

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Speaker 2: Tenos coming here because it's because of the crime.

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Speaker 6: So ultimately we need to make sure that the territories

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Speaker 5: We've got I'm sorry, it's election. He's got to put

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Speaker 5: They're making breach of bail and offense. The offender never

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Speaker 5: By bringing breach of.

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Speaker 3: These kids get picked up all the time and then

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Speaker 5: Right, and most of the cases that go through the

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Speaker 3: You don't actually see see what.

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Speaker 5: Most of the youth that sit in Dondale are on

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Speaker 1: Chair times have they breached their bail though, I think

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Speaker 5: Katie, how can I tell you which kids doing it

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Speaker 1: seeing after a very serious incident of offending things that

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Speaker 5: And we said this yesterday when we came on on

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I guess what I'm getting to then is

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Speaker 5: So what the judiciary is saying is they want options

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Speaker 7: One necessarily I should be serving a different facilities because

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Speaker 3: I mean, well done gold Staff.

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Speaker 5: There kidding that there are kids that have got they've

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Speaker 5: to a skill. We've been doing that. The problem is

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Speaker 1: Look, I've said this before and I am keen to

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Speaker 1: this is what should be happening. We're building this facility.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've got these programs in place. The legislation

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Speaker 1: it's young. When you're under ten years old and you're offending,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but again in saying that, Katie, if it was

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Speaker 1: Saying that it's just as simple as turning a piece

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Speaker 5: Because it's not just one issue that has caused it

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Speaker 5: That's why all obviously August will come territoris and make

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Speaker 5: going to fix at Jared, you know it's not How

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Speaker 3: I think that's that's not.

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Speaker 7: But there needs to be set in stone things that

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Speaker 7: they just do the crime, They go back into prison

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Speaker 4: What these are and.

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Speaker 1: I'm more than happy to give labor a kick in

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Speaker 3: And all the while normal people are feeling really.

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Speaker 1: Very flat, they're feeling like they've lost hope in a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways.

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Speaker 6: In a message that there's going to be a consequence

445
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Speaker 6: for your crime, are we going to do that by

446
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Speaker 6: a sentence of skill, We're going to make sure that

447
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Speaker 6: there's some consequences for these kids because at the moment

448
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Speaker 6: they just run wild because the consequences is going.

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Speaker 2: To be to talk there, I was not going to

450
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Speaker 2: get bail.

451
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Speaker 4: I'm just going to put some statistics on the table.

452
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Speaker 4: I mean, on any day in Australia, there's about four

453
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Speaker 4: and a half thousand children between ten and eighteen in

454
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Speaker 4: detention for whatever reason, and quite a lot of them.

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Speaker 4: As you said, why would it be any different up

456
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Speaker 4: here in regards to youth being on remand versus adults.

457
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Speaker 4: We know that there's about of our holts on remand,

458
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Speaker 4: so they've got to get out of being on remand

459
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Speaker 4: and get their trial, work out what their sentence is.

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Speaker 4: Then they can get programs and rhabilitation work. The same

461
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Speaker 4: would be for the young people. But I think what

462
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Speaker 4: has to be addressed and perhaps that's part of the

463
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Speaker 4: know I know you're going to say that's part of

464
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Speaker 4: the mix and wrap around services and all that sort

465
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Speaker 4: of bullshit, But why are these young people doing the

466
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Speaker 4: crime said doing. We know their lack of education, we

467
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Speaker 4: know they're bored, et cetera. So if the sea up

468
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Speaker 4: he's going to do something to try and win the

469
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Speaker 4: favor of constituencies, then there's got to be progrems. Send

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Speaker 4: us to a skill. I think it's great ideas, Like

471
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Speaker 4: send us to a job was a great idea. I

472
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Speaker 4: don't know if it's still going, but it needs some done.

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Speaker 4: We've still got to find out why why are the

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Speaker 4: young people offending to the level that they are.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we're gonna have to take a quick break

476
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Speaker 1: otherwise we aren't going to get to any aids and

477
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Speaker 1: we've got to pay the bills. If you've just joined

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Speaker 1: us in the studio this morning. We've got Brent Potter,

479
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Speaker 1: Keesyer Puic, Georgie Dickinson and also Jared Mayley and well,

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Speaker 1: it seems that people of Alice Springs have had a

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Speaker 1: bit of a bench old week with the curfew currently

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Speaker 1: in place. I know that the police have been working

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Speaker 1: incredibly hard as I understand it, this World Territory family

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Speaker 1: sort of working hand in hand with them. They've been

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Speaker 1: on average, from what I can gather, around twenty to

486
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Speaker 1: twenty five kids a night who've been picked up in

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Speaker 1: that curfew area. That is what the Chief Minister had

488
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Speaker 1: said at a press conference earlier in the week. Now

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Speaker 1: she said that the Police Commissioner, Michael Murphy was going

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Speaker 1: to be returning to Alis this week as we know

491
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Speaker 1: that he has and collect some clear data on the

492
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Speaker 1: efficiency of that curfew. But anecdotally the town had been

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Speaker 1: much more quiet since its implementation last Wednesday. Brent, have

494
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Speaker 1: you has that data being collected? Is it going to

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Speaker 1: be extended?

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Speaker 5: So we'll make that decision once the Chief gets back

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Speaker 5: from Alice Springs and we get the Commissioner back in

498
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Speaker 5: the room and we sit down from Tempse back up

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Speaker 5: to Cabinet, but no, I won't be today, but I

500
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Speaker 5: think it's you know, the anecdotal darties and I can

501
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Speaker 5: just say by the amount of briefs that I'm getting

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Speaker 5: as the Minister for Police from police, it is quite

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Speaker 5: a When I went down there on Tuesday night, went

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Speaker 5: through the CBD, couldn't see a kid, there was police

505
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Speaker 5: everywhere and people were having ol fresco dining at night.

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Speaker 5: It's evident that's working. The addition or resources are having

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Speaker 5: an impact. So we were, you know, personally looking at

508
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Speaker 5: the school holidays. Will assess the information, but you know,

509
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Speaker 5: school hot is notoriously a busy time and we need

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Speaker 5: to support those residents in our springs and will continue.

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Speaker 3: To be extended.

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Speaker 7: Surely if you've seen such a well, I mean I

513
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Speaker 7: don't have the data yet, but surely if when you're

514
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Speaker 7: walking around and people are out enjoying themselves once again,

515
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Speaker 7: then surely that is a sign that it needs.

516
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Speaker 5: To be extended, just for your listeners so they understand

517
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Speaker 5: how it actually works. Because I don't want to make

518
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Speaker 5: the decision without it coming through MCY. So the cees,

519
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Speaker 5: those on the Territory Emergency Management Committee will meet, they

520
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Speaker 5: will provide a recommendation to SMC and Cabinet and then

521
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Speaker 5: from there will action that. That's how the initial curfew

522
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Speaker 5: came in. And for listeners out there, it isn't Actually

523
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Speaker 5: the legal isn't. The legal parameters aren't the curfew. It's

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Speaker 5: the emergency declaration of the powers under Section twenty two,

525
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Speaker 5: which gives police very very liberal powers, and that's how

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Speaker 5: they've determined the curve.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So are they yes? So how are they being collected?

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Speaker 3: Like hundred? Is that under the emergency powers?

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Speaker 5: Or is that under emergency power? So it allows the

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Speaker 5: police officer to direct them to vacating it. It's basically

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Speaker 5: for the listeners similar powers to COVID.

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Speaker 6: So in relation to that, did you sign the declaration Brent?

533
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Speaker 6: In relating to the amenity declaration?

534
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Speaker 5: As the Minister of Police, I have to sign, yes?

535
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Speaker 2: And what event you know persuaded you to sign that?

536
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Speaker 5: It was a series of events, Jared, and I think

537
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Speaker 5: you shouldn't have been done on that. I'll give you

538
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Speaker 5: the first two, that woman that was assaulted by you

539
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Speaker 5: and the more people and the other one being the

540
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Speaker 5: eighteen year olgid.

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Speaker 3: I think it should have been done a long time ago.

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Speaker 7: Those seeing as we've seen relentless attacks and incidents in

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Speaker 7: Alice Springs and people have been calling for a curfey for.

544
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Speaker 5: What to do a curfew for anyone that has had

545
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Speaker 5: to implement a curfew is resource intensive. I don't think

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Speaker 5: we had the numbers post COVID in the current environment

547
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Speaker 5: to have done it. We do now we've had more

548
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Speaker 5: police come back to work with announcement police officers and

549
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Speaker 5: we've got more resources. It is you can't do a

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Speaker 5: curfew unless you can deny people access to an area

551
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Speaker 5: and you need the resource and just.

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Speaker 1: On that as well, the Northern Territory Police have now

553
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Speaker 1: confirmed that they sought assistance or they've sought assistance from

554
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Speaker 1: the South Australian Police who are one of our cross

555
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Speaker 1: border partners. So Alice Springs, they say, as a service

556
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Speaker 1: hub for a large number of communities across the cross

557
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Speaker 1: border region of the Northern Territory WA South Australia, and

558
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Speaker 1: recent events in Alice Springs, including recent weather, has seen

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Speaker 1: an influx of visitors from cross border regions remaining in

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Speaker 1: Alice Springs. So the assistance of these South Australian Police

561
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Speaker 1: is going to enable a more gradual transition Brent, how

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Speaker 1: many the.

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Speaker 5: Numbers are still being worked out with South Australia. I'm

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Speaker 5: really grateful that they've come to the table because we

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Speaker 5: get a lot of ap wirelands and central desert from

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Speaker 5: South Australia. This will allow us when they do come

567
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Speaker 5: in to move some of the resources back to Darwen.

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Speaker 5: But more importantly, you're going to have people from South

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Speaker 5: Australia seeing uniform members from South Australia and Alice Springs

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Speaker 5: and that's that cultural connection.

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Speaker 1: So really, I mean, why was the government last week

572
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Speaker 1: so sort of hesitant and you know and saying, look,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to ask the AFP. The AFP aren't appropriate.

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Speaker 1: I get, you know, I get why you maybe don't

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Speaker 1: want to ask the AFP. But even at the time

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Speaker 1: last week, I'd said why don't we ask for assistance

577
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Speaker 1: from across the border or from anywhere else.

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Speaker 5: At the time, we didn't need to because we didn't

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Speaker 5: have people in from ap Wirelands and so.

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Speaker 3: We kids writing you needed more cops, needed.

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Speaker 5: More cops, no doubt, but they weren't people from South Australia.

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Speaker 5: What we saw is and the Commissioner said this in

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Speaker 5: one of his interviews that there was an influx of

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Speaker 5: kids from ap Wilands that and aware of the curfew

585
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Speaker 5: and their families had come up. So that's why that

586
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Speaker 5: request has been put in there with the ifp are

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Speaker 5: not fit to come in and do policing in our springs.

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Speaker 1: They are not, like I'm being told. Like We've had

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Speaker 1: people get in contact with us saying I'm finding it

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Speaker 1: very offensive that the government keeps saying that they're not

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Speaker 1: fit to come in and do that work.

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Speaker 4: I think I find it really staggering. Australian Federal Police

593
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Speaker 4: are police officers first and foremost. They do tend to

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Speaker 4: look after things of a national level. They have been

595
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Speaker 4: sent to Solomon Islands, they've probably been sent to put

596
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Speaker 4: New Guinea. They do all sorts of things at the

597
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Speaker 4: airport as we know, whatever and whatever. So they are

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Speaker 4: hugely and well trained. More probably so in my view

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Speaker 4: because I know quite a few Federal Police officers than

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Speaker 4: general duties and I find that offensive on this.

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Speaker 1: If they also work with the Northern Territory Police on

602
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Speaker 1: child exploitation projects, they also work on drugs all.

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Speaker 5: Sorts of They are specialist officers. They work under the

604
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Speaker 5: Commonwealth legislation. The best use of the resource from another

605
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Speaker 5: state is a state based police force, which is what

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Speaker 5: South Australia's put up.

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Speaker 3: You just say that last week though, like you know,

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Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying that.

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Speaker 1: You know, so you're saying now the reason you've done

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Speaker 1: it is because you've got an influx of people that

611
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Speaker 1: have come from the ap wylands since last.

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Speaker 5: Week, since the curfew has been in place, and that's

613
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Speaker 5: the commissioner asked for this. So he called them up

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Speaker 5: and said we've got him.

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Speaker 1: I think good on him that he's done that, because

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Speaker 1: it didn't seem like the government was.

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Speaker 5: Prepared to as the Minister, I can't even put the

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Speaker 5: request in. It's commissioner to commissioner. And then that it's

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Speaker 5: a commissioner that determines in South Australia if the resources

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Speaker 5: come up. It's not the minister or the Premier. It's

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Speaker 5: the commissioner that puts the request in and approves it.

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Speaker 5: So we've got people from South Australia and Alice Springs,

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Speaker 5: which is what happened not last Christmas, the Christmas before

624
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Speaker 5: we had the flood. Remember we had a whole bunch

625
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Speaker 5: of people from WA and South Australia in and we

626
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Speaker 5: didn't get the resources there.

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Speaker 1: That's I think why people couldn't understand even last week

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Speaker 1: why the government was so hesitant to sort of go

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Speaker 1: down that path, because we have utilized police from other

630
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Speaker 1: locations before. It's not embarrassing, it's not a step backwards.

631
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Speaker 1: It's not you know, it's not in ad miss that

632
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Speaker 1: you don't have things under control. It's more like, hey,

633
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Speaker 1: we need some assistance. We've got some real issues right

634
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Speaker 1: now and it's okay for our fellow Aussies to help us.

635
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Speaker 5: So two years ago when that was happening, different police commission,

636
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Speaker 5: a different police minister. We've you know, the commission that

637
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Speaker 5: is here now has made the determination to ask for

638
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Speaker 5: that request. I can't talk the decisions that were before

639
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Speaker 5: my tenure, but we have people from South Australia and

640
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Speaker 5: ap Wylands and Alice Springs and hence why the request

641
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Speaker 5: is gone. And it will be a very small number.

642
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Speaker 5: It'll be a small number to deal with and to

643
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Speaker 5: work with the people that are in our springs.

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Speaker 1: I have just seen at the bottom of this statement.

645
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Speaker 1: So what I'm what I'm reading here is that they're

646
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Speaker 1: going to implement a rotation system involving twenty officers with

647
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Speaker 1: ten officers rotating in each week, so by the look

648
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Speaker 1: of it, But I do also want to ask, and

649
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Speaker 1: I know Jerald was getting to this just a moment ago,

650
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Speaker 1: there are you know, there are claims that the curfew

651
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Speaker 1: is unlawful.

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Speaker 3: Obviously I spoke to you about this yesterday as well.

653
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Speaker 1: So firstly, I do just firstly, do you think that

654
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Speaker 1: it's a curfew that's making an impact in terms of

655
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Speaker 1: the safety on the stret or do you think it's

656
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Speaker 1: the increase police.

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Speaker 5: It's both, because you can't you can't have a curfew

658
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Speaker 5: without the resets.

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Speaker 1: So I suppose the follow up is how do you

660
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Speaker 1: maintain that longer term when we don't have the numbers

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Speaker 1: of police at this stage to be able to do so.

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Speaker 5: So we can maintain the curfew in the period of

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Speaker 5: time that we have it, and if we extend it,

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Speaker 5: we can maintain it for that. But it's worth noting

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Speaker 5: that it's not just police, so police aren't necessarily in

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Speaker 5: the curfew zone the whole time. Territory, families and education

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Speaker 5: are primarily dealing with the curfew zone, and police are

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Speaker 5: dealing with the outer cording out in the suburbs. And

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Speaker 5: that's how this cordin has been effective, and education campaign

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Speaker 5: saying to these kids and these parents, there is a curfew,

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Speaker 5: don't come into town. And for the first couple of

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Speaker 5: days people were held up in the town camps because

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Speaker 5: they didn't want to come in. And what we have

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Speaker 5: seen is a significant reduction stylen cars. I'm only aware

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Speaker 5: of one, I believe. And it comes down this point.

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Speaker 5: Why the Chiefness is written to meta is because they

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Speaker 5: steal the car to go into town to be seen

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Speaker 5: to film themselves. They know they can't get into town.

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Speaker 5: They're not getting the start and that they're seeking, so

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Speaker 5: they're not necessarily going out and community's offenses.

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Speaker 1: And I'll get to that meta stuff in a moment,

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Speaker 1: and the boasting and posting. But on the whether the

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Speaker 1: curfew is lawful or not, I mean, what does everyone

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Speaker 1: make of that sort of argument.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand how it can't be unlawful.

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Speaker 7: It's a legislation or I guess that's put in place teens.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think because you know it's mad, can

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Speaker 3: explain do you think it's unlawful?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 6: What I'm saying is that the legislation is there, and

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Speaker 6: it should be there, and it needs to be there

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Speaker 6: for emergency, but there's a sectionaire of section four that

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Speaker 6: says it can't be used to put down rights or

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Speaker 6: civil disobedience. And that's why I asked the question, what

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Speaker 6: event did you do persuaded you to act the declarations?

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Speaker 7: People run right in the town and one hundred and

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Speaker 7: fifty kids smashing up pubs.

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Speaker 6: And saying, if you remember the CP call would bring

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Speaker 6: back the Parliament to make legislation.

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Speaker 2: Choice, we could go back and.

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Speaker 6: We could change the lord to make it so it

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Speaker 6: is legal because right now, no one's above the law.

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Speaker 1: Basically what you're saying though, like from what I can

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Speaker 1: gather as you are saying, like you're you're going all right,

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Speaker 1: Well they if they haven't too of you know exactly

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Speaker 1: what they should have, then we could go back into

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Speaker 1: Parliament and do that and also change legislation. But so

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Speaker 1: then what make the people of Alice Springs wait another

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Speaker 1: few days before they've got that immediate respie.

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Speaker 6: You could do that immediately, right, And that's why it's

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Speaker 6: very clear to CLARIFO what event caused to do christ I.

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Speaker 1: Actually think the CPS themselves in a bit of a

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Speaker 1: bind over this because that when I asked Lea about

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Speaker 1: this earlier in the week as well, because I actually

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Speaker 1: find it quite interesting that the CLP seemingly then doesn't

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Speaker 1: support that curfew.

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Speaker 2: We support the well.

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Speaker 5: You didn't, So just clarify what you said righteous behavior.

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Speaker 5: The one thing that you left off is conflict. I'm

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Speaker 5: telling you it wasn't righteous behavior that the trigger is

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Speaker 5: and this isn't moxtry conflict. And I've explained to you

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Speaker 5: just before the strings of events what I would ask you, though,

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Speaker 5: when Leah came out and said recall parliament, she never

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Speaker 5: once spoke about creating legislation around curfews. That wasn't what

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Speaker 5: she was recalling parliament for. She was talking about bail.

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Speaker 5: None of these kids and adults were on bail, mate,

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Speaker 5: None of them are on bal, So it would have

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Speaker 5: done absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and fifty were on bail, none of.

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Speaker 5: The none of the kids and adults have got arrested

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Speaker 5: ron bail. None of them were. And I can tell

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Speaker 5: you I've seen the report. I got the police report.

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Speaker 5: None of them are on bail at the time. Now,

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Speaker 5: what the opposition to put forward and say recall Parliament

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Speaker 5: was to change bail, that wouldn't have fixed the problem

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Speaker 5: for Alice Springs. We acted and if anyone wants to

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Speaker 5: contest it, go forth and do it. Alice.

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Speaker 1: One area where I do think that legislation needs to

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Speaker 1: be changed is the boasting and posting. I've been talking

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Speaker 1: about this for weeks since New South Wales and Queensland

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Speaker 1: changed that legislation. Now we know that the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister Eva Laula has written to the tech Giants,

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Speaker 1: so essentially Evil Lawler's accused tech Titan Meta of encouraging

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Speaker 1: and reinforcing youth crime among some of the country's most

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Speaker 1: vulnerable children seeking social media fame.

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Speaker 3: Now, Laula has demanded.

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Speaker 1: That an urgent meeting with Meta happens, saying that her

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Speaker 1: government is considering following other states in launching posts and

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Speaker 1: boast legislation that could lead to jail time for anyone

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Speaker 1: sharing videos of committing a crime via social media. Following

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Speaker 1: a rising crime. It has seen a two week youth

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Speaker 1: curfew in post obviously in our Springs.

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Speaker 3: Now I get it.

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Speaker 1: I understand why the Chief Minister is seeking this meeting,

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Speaker 1: and I think absolutely do it. But what's stopping you

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Speaker 1: guys from the boasting and posting legislation we're.

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Speaker 5: Working right now. What we want to do is have

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Speaker 5: them come to the table so we can put it.

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Speaker 1: Told me just last Monday it would be part of

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Speaker 1: the review, the overarching review that we're not expecting back

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Speaker 1: until the end of the year.

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Speaker 5: I can tell you right now. We've been working on

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Speaker 5: this for a while, so.

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Speaker 3: It is going to happen before the end of the year.

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Speaker 5: Whether it happens before we've got one sittings, no. What

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Speaker 5: I'm saying is it's not my peace of legislation. I

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Speaker 5: provide a comedy piece. It's it's with the a G

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Speaker 5: because it doesn't sit with the He's in our springs

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Speaker 5: right now, madness, and.

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Speaker 7: We need a meeting with MATA. Understand why we need

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Speaker 7: this legislation put in place. New South Wales has done it,

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Speaker 7: Queensland has done it. It's pretty obvious that kids are

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Speaker 7: posting all over grimes, but it's pretty obvious why we

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Speaker 7: need to put these legislations in place.

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Speaker 3: I need to meet with MANA and.

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Speaker 5: We want to have a meeting with them. Is they

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Speaker 5: will sensitize certain components of stuff on social media and

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Speaker 5: they'll let stuff completely run through and not one we

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Speaker 5: can't call them. So for example, if police want to

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Speaker 5: get something removed, you can't call Facebook to get them

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Speaker 5: to take the video dead.

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Speaker 7: There's going to be stuff online. Kids have other ways.

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Speaker 7: There's snapchat. You can't just go on to a kid's

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Speaker 7: snapchatter for the lead.

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Speaker 5: As an example, and I hate to use their name.

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Speaker 5: We want to get there so soon. As soon as

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Speaker 5: we see their accounts pop back up, we want them

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Speaker 5: shut down. It is extremely difficult because they use that

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Speaker 5: they use those social platforms to target particular cars and

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Speaker 5: insight for you.

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Speaker 3: We've seen them.

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Speaker 7: We have all seen it everywhere.

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Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is from a Northern Territory police

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Speaker 5: point of view and government point of view. The minute

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Speaker 5: those accounts are brought back up and they're using it

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Speaker 5: for the wrong thing, we want them shut down straight away,

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Speaker 5: and so we need Meta to come to the table

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Speaker 5: on that.

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Speaker 4: I was just reading a little few things there. Like

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Speaker 4: Queensland did introduce the harsher penalties and since March this year,

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Speaker 4: one hundred and forty people in Queensland have been charged

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Speaker 4: with boast and posting or whatever, and they're also referring

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Speaker 4: to it's emerging phenomenon and they're calling performance crime like

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Speaker 4: look at me, I'm committing a crime. And social media

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Speaker 4: has got some very positive attributes, but it also has

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Speaker 4: some very negative attraction and terrible. They have to be

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Speaker 4: held to account and the Chief Miness to rights and

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Speaker 4: get some dialogue with someone somewhere. I mean, they also

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Speaker 4: need to I don't know if metaur own's Instagram, but

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Speaker 4: it's Instagram as well, because there is a there's been

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Speaker 4: fight clubs. I won't mention colleges or schools, but they

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Speaker 4: call them bluck school fight club and that's where they

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Speaker 4: film themselves bashing up other kids at schools, including in

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Speaker 4: the rule are and those kind of things need to

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Speaker 4: be shut down, and you know, so that's the government

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Speaker 4: needs to look at the education Department of Education, legislation

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Speaker 4: or something because that's where a lot of these things

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Speaker 4: start is in the school ground.

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Speaker 3: And oh, we've seen, like I have seen so many videos.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that everyone you know, like once you've got

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Speaker 1: kids or Georgia, you're a bit younger, I mean you're

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Speaker 1: not school age, that's at all, but you do like

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Speaker 1: you see all sorts of stuff shared. I've had my

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Speaker 1: children show me things that I'm utterly mortified by and

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Speaker 1: you think to yourself, how is that not taken down?

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Speaker 3: How the police not notified?

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Speaker 4: Or this is where there can be involvement from Australian

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Speaker 4: federal police because it's exactly in their domain, as we

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Speaker 4: talked about before, sexual offenses exploitation now using it's Commonwealth legislation,

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Speaker 4: the telecommunication use to carry ship. That's right. So there

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Speaker 4: needs to somewhere along the line. If this is happening,

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Speaker 4: and as it says, it's a phenomenon that it's growing

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Speaker 4: and increasing and it's influencing young people to commit bad acts,

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Speaker 4: then the Empty government and Commonwealth government and perhaps the

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Speaker 4: other states need to look at this and push it

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Speaker 4: up the agenda because it's got to be shut down

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Speaker 4: because it's just a king for them.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely Look, we are going to have to take

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Speaker 1: a really quick break. You're listening to Mix ONEOW four

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Speaker 1: nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 3: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: You've just joined us in the studio this morning. We've

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Speaker 1: got Jered Maylee, Georgie Dickerson, Keesy Epiric and Brent Potter.

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Speaker 1: Now we know the Northern Territory government and now it'ced

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Speaker 1: earlier in the week it's going to aim to recruit

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Speaker 1: an additional two hundred police over the next four years

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Speaker 1: at a cost of two hundred million dollars in an

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Speaker 1: effort to bolster the four Brent. We spoke to you

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Speaker 1: about this yesterday and you confirm that that is on

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Speaker 1: top of attrition, and we are also going to see

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Speaker 1: in the desk the Joint Emergency Communications Center based out

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Speaker 1: at the Peter McCauley Center, an additional twenty five call

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Speaker 1: takers and CCTV operate on.

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Speaker 5: Top of the fifty two officers from the Territory Safety

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Speaker 5: Division we announced in December.

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Speaker 6: Silt, I'll start with that, how are you going to

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Speaker 6: put fifty extra police on evey Considering like over event

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Speaker 6: one hundred and twenty six resign a year, so that's

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Speaker 6: what almost one hundred and eighty new cops every year.

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Speaker 2: How are you going to do that?

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Speaker 5: So just a bit clarify for your listeners, because I

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Speaker 5: know that the numbers get confused, and Jerry's just done that.

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Speaker 5: So yes, attrition's about one hundred and twenty two to

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Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty six years, but the agency recruits

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Speaker 5: enough officers every year to cover that downward trend.

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Speaker 3: Now of the two hundred, so many leaves, though surely

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Speaker 3: keeping tho we.

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Speaker 5: Should and first and foremost, it is always cheaper in

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Speaker 5: any business to retain your staff than rehire. What we

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Speaker 5: do see in those those separation numbers, not all of

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Speaker 5: them are leaving the force. Some are separating from ACPO

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Speaker 5: to become consortable, or liquor inspector sorry, PALI, to become confortable.

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Speaker 5: Some are retirements, So they're not a true reflection of

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Speaker 5: everyone just separating. But we need to keep more. We

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Speaker 5: know that they're over they say they're over work, they've

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Speaker 5: got stress, you know they're taking stress. Leave. More police

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Speaker 5: officers will relieve that burden and it will create a

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Speaker 5: better environment for people to come back to work. Now,

879
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 5: the way that we get those two hundred extra officers,

880
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 5: Joe to your question, there will be more staff that

881
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 5: will be put into the college to increase the through

882
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 5: put to fifty officers extra a year. And for your listeners,

883
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 5: the Territory Safety Division is currently sitting at twenty one

884
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 5: officers and by June this year, because there's a sixty

885
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 5: eight course graduation, they will go to their full complement

886
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 5: of fifty two.

887
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: So how many police officers you're going to put through

888
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 2: the college every year.

889
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 5: Or extra fifty on top of retention?

890
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 2: How much is that number?

891
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 5: What is that Retention is going down? Retention has been

892
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 5: going down, So if retention goes down, it's less.

893
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 2: So in the moment's one hundred and twenty six plus

894
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: fifty every year.

895
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 5: Well, it's not just funny. It's not one hundred and

896
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 5: twenty six people separating the force. There are people that

897
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 5: are transitioning to different roles within police.

898
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: It's still going to go through the college.

899
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 5: These are two hundred extra officers more than what you

900
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 5: could promise and committed.

901
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 7: You're still promising two hundred extra officers. But until we

902
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 7: actually see two hundred extra officers on the ground, how

903
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 7: are you going to get them? Because we've been trying

904
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 7: to recruit officers for an.

905
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 5: We don't have an issue of recruitment.

906
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: We do though, because they're still not talk about you.

907
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 5: No, it's not an issue with recruitment. We have more

908
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 5: people applying for positions than we have vacancies. When we

909
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 5: do the recruitment, it is around retention. Victoria lost in

910
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 5: the thousands in their police force. WA is the same.

911
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 5: It's a lot bigger, it is, absolutely, but it's a

912
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 5: percent in terms of percentage, it's about similar. We have

913
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 5: the best paid officers in the country. That is one

914
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 5: of the incentives to come up here. We have a

915
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 5: very very good housing allowance for them and they get

916
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 5: to serve in some of the most nicest parts.

917
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: I totally understand. And none of us will be living

918
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: here right if we didn't agree with that. None of

919
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: us will be living here right now. But the point

920
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: was certainly made to me yesterday by a lot of

921
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: our listeners saying, Katie, I thought it was there was

922
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: a bit of irony in the discussion that you had

923
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: with the police minister, in the sense that you know,

924
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: in one sentence we're talking about a great place it

925
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: is to live and how it would be wonderful to

926
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: work here as a police officer, and you know, a

927
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: couple of moments later we're talking about a police officer

928
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: being injured during an assault out at down Dale and

929
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: another officer being stabbed out in what air.

930
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 3: Allegedly no, sorry, not stabbed, spat on. I believe it

931
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 3: was my mistake.

932
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: I do apologize, but an assault on the officer out

933
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,240
Speaker 1: at what Air when they went to a domestic violence

934
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: incident earlier in the week and then someone being spat on,

935
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: I thought it was as well.

936
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 3: I'd have to go and double check that one.

937
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 5: So just you are right, Tadie. I mean, but every

938
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 5: police jurisdiction, unfortunately is happy that people are not respecting police,

939
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 5: whether it's in the Northern Territory or other jurisdictions. They

940
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 5: are spitting an assaulting police. It's happening across Australia. We

941
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 5: are putting in the best mechanisms we can at the

942
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 5: territory level to keep them here and pay is one

943
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 5: of them, but the other one is health and well being.

944
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 5: We put three million dollars in. The Commission made a

945
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 5: point that he's doing everything he can to change the

946
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 5: culture and get the you know, at times up to

947
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 5: two hundred, it's about one fifty of our officers that

948
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 5: are currently off on leave back to work. So just

949
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 5: to clarify, if we get the two hundred plus the

950
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 5: fifty two from the Territory Safety Division on the deck

951
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: in four years and we get one hundred and fifty

952
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 5: hours is back to work. That's a huge net increase

953
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 5: of available resources, said from Bobs, that's to the.

954
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 6: Welcome been in power for eight years. Why have we

955
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 6: got where we are? Why do we need this so quickly?

956
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 6: Is because Later's policies have failed territorial So we're an

957
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 6: election year. We know that, and they without making promises

958
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 6: about two pieces which I have to be at better

959
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 6: robbery numbers. So ultimately, why have we got eight years

960
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 6: of labor downhill and now we're going to pick it

961
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 6: all in mine?

962
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: Year's certainly been around long enough to remember the promise

963
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: of one hundred and twenty police officers by Terry.

964
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 3: Mills and how bloody hard that was to get there exactly,

965
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 3: you know. So it's like it's one of those things.

966
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: But also every single year.

967
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: That we get told, oh we can't tell you the

968
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: exact number, and the number in the annual report is

969
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: actually different to what it is from day to day

970
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: because people are.

971
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 3: Sick and.

972
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 5: Inside of the police fifty five officers.

973
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 6: Remember the year before last when you say your own

974
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,959
Speaker 6: report said fifty five less officers.

975
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 5: I can't talk about the police who comes out Tuesday.

976
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 5: It will come at Tuesday afternoon or Wednesday morning. I'm

977
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 5: still working through that, and I said to be completely

978
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 5: public in there. It is very clear what governments have

979
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 5: committed in terms of resources, what they haven't delivered, the

980
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty that our government actually did deliver it,

981
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 5: and that we delivered more than one hundred and twenty

982
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 5: in the eight years that we've had So I know

983
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 5: your point, Jared, but we had to deliver the one

984
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 5: twenty you didn't, and I think we have a trecord

985
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 5: track record of delivering. It's one of those days. We

986
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 5: have a track record of delivering police officers, and we're

987
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 5: going to deliver two hundred more plus the fifty two

988
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 5: that's the team on the web.

989
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: Mate. Yeah that either.

990
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not I'm not buying all these numbers, you know,

991
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 4: Like I can remember the one hundred and twenty how

992
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 4: under Terry Mills, and I can remember this two hundred, don't.

993
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: I'll believe it when I see it. Let's put it away. Yes,

994
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 4: the more police you can get, the better. What we're

995
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 4: not looking at and considering is the nature of the work.

996
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 4: I was speaking to someone recently, the elected and she's retired,

997
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: firing out of the public sector, and her husband is

998
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 4: a policeman and he retired a year before whatever, And

999
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 4: she said, it's a tough gig, you know, so I

1000
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 4: take my hat off to look. Every police person has

1001
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 4: a tough gig because you've got to see things you

1002
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: wish you could unsee things, you know, car accidents, some

1003
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 4: shooting and suicides, whatever. But what I think has happened

1004
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 4: up here is the nature of the work has changed

1005
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 4: so much that that's why there is attrition, Like why

1006
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 4: would you want to go to work every day with

1007
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: a full knowledge that you're probably going to be spat

1008
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 4: on and have something.

1009
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: Chucked at you, or to be white and the people

1010
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: every week that would you know, that would be demoralizing stuff.

1011
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 4: That's what needs to change as well.

1012
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 5: Kate.

1013
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 4: It's fine to find resources of money to put me

1014
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 4: people on the beat, because let's be honest, you know,

1015
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 4: the presence of a police if you're a little bit dodgy,

1016
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 4: is a deterrent. You see a speed camerap ahead, you

1017
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 4: slow down.

1018
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: Somebody have a message through and said, what about the

1019
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: thirty extra police that were that were promised for Alice

1020
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: Springs earlier last.

1021
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: Year was come to fruition.

1022
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 5: They're in the pipe for the college, So we can

1023
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 5: only put so many throughout the time. You've got people

1024
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 5: in the college right now that will be going down

1025
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 5: our springs.

1026
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 3: To fill those thirty So how long did that take?

1027
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 5: Well, from the fund I have to come back. And

1028
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 5: the difference is when the funding is made a valuable

1029
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 5: by the federal government, so we won't hire anyone unless

1030
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 5: we have fundings. So the funding's coming through and he's

1031
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 5: being trickled through for the positions that we reit recruit,

1032
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 5: so they're in the college at the moment, they'll go

1033
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 5: down there. And I think Katie, in addition to that,

1034
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 5: you're going to see twenty five palies converted countables by June,

1035
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 5: on top of the thirty that will be in our.

1036
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 2: Springs and the next Pali course coming.

1037
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 5: Well, this is I love talking Palace Pali's jering because.

1038
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 6: It's actually is actually apologies that actually works. It worked,

1039
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 6: and you're taking him off and you're not replacing them.

1040
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 5: There we go, that's a great it sounds great, Jerry,

1041
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 5: But what you failed to understand it true.

1042
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: You failed to understand over the top of each other.

1043
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 5: What you fail to understand and you just can't recognize

1044
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 5: when this government does something good. Those twenty five officers

1045
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 5: were going to leave and go to the full thirty

1046
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 5: two course constable course, they would have not been Palis.

1047
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 5: What we've said to them is do the expertise to

1048
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 5: Pali course sixteen weeks and we'll put your back on

1049
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 5: the bottle shop. But outside of that you can go

1050
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 5: and do normal policing duties.

1051
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: The reality say, people were screaming.

1052
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: At the government to everything that happened in Alice Springs,

1053
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: so we're screaming out going, please just put the Palis back.

1054
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: The problem is.

1055
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 5: The problem is, and Jared Wine admit this, it's it's

1056
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 5: the no win solution for both of these. If we

1057
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 5: didn't do it, the Palis would have walked off the

1058
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 5: job and gone and done something else. You would have

1059
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 5: had no one. And if we do it now we

1060
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 5: have a short period of pain unfortunately, and we get

1061
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 5: them back on the bottle shop. Now. I've had a

1062
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 5: chat to Congress and a couple of the others when

1063
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 5: I went down to Alice Springs. We're going to look

1064
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 5: at some options around how we can get better coverage.

1065
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 5: But there is the twenty five percent cap rule that

1066
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 5: is in place for those grocery stores. We've got the

1067
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 5: buy back.

1068
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: Happening, and so you're going to buy back any of those.

1069
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 5: I would love to see some of those that engage

1070
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 5: you just come back to the table and have an

1071
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 5: actual dialogue again, because I think we can find a

1072
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 5: middle ground.

1073
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: All Right, We're going to have to take a really

1074
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: quick break before we wrap up this morning. I am

1075
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: keen to just just talk about the fact that there

1076
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: is another Code yellow that's been declared at the Darwin

1077
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: and Palmerston hospitals after a week after the last one

1078
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: lifted so into healthy. It's due to a significant increase

1079
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: in patient admissions. The internal emergency allows for measures to

1080
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: be enacted to ease pressure on the system and manage capacity.

1081
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: It does seem as though we sort of slip from

1082
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: one to the next very often at this point in time.

1083
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 6: Like I said at the beginning of the show, themes

1084
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 6: that the whole North tu in chaos on the labor

1085
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 6: government no matter what. Secondly, if you talk about crime,

1086
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 6: you talk about education, and you talk about health and

1087
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 6: unfortunately the evidence that backs it up.

1088
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 4: Okatie, I'm sure they keep data the hospitals on admissions

1089
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 4: and time of injuries and patient patient information. But I

1090
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 4: think there's other issues that contribute to this overloading of

1091
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 4: the hospital system for the beds, and that's that's the

1092
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 4: old people and the who don't they're not it's not

1093
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 4: quite sick enough to stay in a hospital, but they

1094
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 4: do stay in hospital because there's nowhere for them to go.

1095
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 4: So it's and I know age care is a Commonwealth responsibility,

1096
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 4: but we really do.

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Speaker 2: It's managed by the Labor government.

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00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 4: Extra beds not only for public patients, but age care

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00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 4: for people who can afford. So that's that's part of

1100
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 4: the issue.

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00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: And also in other states you see a lot of

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00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: like I've got family in Perth and also in North

1103
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: Queen Zone where there is a lot more and I

1104
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: know there's a bit of it here, but there is

1105
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: a lot more in terms of that supported home so

1106
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: nurses going around time.

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00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 5: So I've worked in age care CAD. I was an

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00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 5: assistant manager in one of the facilities, the home care packages.

1110
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 5: There's not enough of them. The federal government needs to

1111
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 5: put more into it and want to see people aging

1112
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 5: in their residence first and foremost, because unfortunate people are

1113
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 5: going to residential care. That that is the start, and

1114
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 5: it is congested. Now it is a federal government responsibility.

1115
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 5: On a J's like, well, they give the territory government money. Correct,

1116
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 5: and guess what we're doing. We put the EOI out

1117
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 5: to build a new residential age care facility and we'll

1118
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 5: have more to say on that as we go through budget. No,

1119
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 5: there was an that went Yeah, that was.

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Speaker 4: A cool linger and that got withdrawn again.

1121
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 5: Well what about the Parmestan hospital or Zuger hole and

1122
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 5: filled it in mate, We have to deliver it.

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Speaker 3: That my most interesting days on the day there. Yeah,

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00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: it was very interesting.

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Speaker 6: It's funny we're talking about poor territory and here absolutely

1126
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 6: under chaos, under siege.

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00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: Well, but you know what they want from you, Jared.

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Speaker 1: They want to hear and that's I think what we're

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00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: going to have to hear over the coming months anyway.

1130
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 5: But they won't do it. They won't do it because

1131
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 5: they love their three slogans. Tough on crime, bring back

1132
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 5: the economy, take back the streets. There's no policy there,

1133
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 5: there's no policy.

1134
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 4: I'd love to put a bit into the major parties. Yes,

1135
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 4: the pensioner scheme is the five hundred dollars a year

1136
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 4: that you used a sixty five and you can use

1137
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 4: for rates and power bills and all that sort of stuff.

1138
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 4: And it is going up by fifty dollars the first

1139
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: of July. We had so mun to talk them just

1140
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 4: both parties need to put it up higher because the

1141
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: rates from councils are going up and they're struggling. So

1142
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,959
Speaker 4: go from five fifty to go to about seven hundred.

1143
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 4: There you go, major parties.

1144
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 5: I think there was already an answered by code around that,

1145
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 5: and we have increase.

1146
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 4: People want to.

1147
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 5: Retire to young.

1148
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to wrap up for

1149
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Speaker 1: the morning. Jared Mailey from the CELP, thanks so much

1150
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: for your time this morning. Thanks Katie Georgie from Channel nine,

1151
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time this morning.

1152
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: Thank you having good weekend Tezy appearing. Thank you Katie

1153
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 3: shout out.

1154
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 4: Jared knows about this. Are you playing Polo cross Carnival

1155
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 4: this weekend down at fritz past.

1156
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 5: I'm going to.

1157
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to, so I'm going filling for my brother,

1158
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: have me riding my horse.

1159
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 4: Much too busy both days that Frintz Pastor is about

1160
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 4: behind where the markets are fast action it's going to

1161
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 4: be yeah.

1162
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: And Brent Potter, thank you for your time to follow that,

1163
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: get your horse, we could ride it a rodeo.

1164
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 3: That a trumpet.

1165
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 5: Listen, no one needs to say, No one needs to

1166
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 5: see me on one of those.

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Speaker 3: Well we are going to have to do