Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week. They might welcome back
Speaker 1: to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris and on this
Speaker 1: podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest players
Speaker 1: in television. Each episode you will get a front row
Speaker 1: seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, editors and
Speaker 1: casting agents, plus the talent that we see on our screens.
Speaker 1: TV Reload reloads the shows that you are currently watching
Speaker 1: and gives you a better insight at our television industry
Speaker 1: and streaming services today. On the podcast, I have my
Speaker 1: good friend Isabel Silbury. You would most likely know her
Speaker 1: as the daughter and the Silbury family on goggle Box Australia,
Speaker 1: as she has watched nearly seven years worth of television
Speaker 1: with her mum and grandmother Kerrie and m Isabel is
Speaker 1: one of my most adventurous friends. She jumps into everything
Speaker 1: with her full attention. She is smart, funny and raw,
Speaker 1: something that I really value in a friendship. Sharing Isabelle
Speaker 1: with Australia has been a beautiful experience as I think
Speaker 1: we need more unfiltered people who are being authentic on television.
Speaker 1: The faces Isabelle pulls on goggle Box Australia have become
Speaker 1: that of its own celebrity, with a gift to convey
Speaker 1: every emotion a human could possibly have. There is nothing
Speaker 1: more surreal than a stranger finishing a tweet directed to
Speaker 1: me with a classic Isabelle reaction. Today we're here to
Speaker 1: talk about goggle Box Australia, of course, seen on Channel ten,
Speaker 1: Foxtel and Binge, but we're also here to talk about
Speaker 1: her new book, Out of the Box, which is available
Speaker 1: to order now. The book is a memoir shared between
Speaker 1: three generations of women as they share the truth behind
Speaker 1: their very extraordinary lives. It is genius in my mind,
Speaker 1: and I highly recommend that you jump online right now
Speaker 1: and order a copy, otherwise you will once you've heard
Speaker 1: this chat, as we only lightly scratch the surface of
Speaker 1: the joy in reading her book. I could go on
Speaker 1: and on to intro this chat, but right now let's
Speaker 1: get started with Isabelle Silbury from goggle Box Australia, who
Speaker 1: I welcome to TV reload for the first time.
Speaker 2: I never wanted to be in front of the camera.
Speaker 1: They are the multi generational family. Who is she in
Speaker 1: the couch on goggle Box.
Speaker 2: Australia never in a million years thought I'd get a
Speaker 2: phone call like the next day, what did you want
Speaker 2: to tell me?
Speaker 1: I was going to join you something better forgotten.
Speaker 2: This is not a show about people watching TV. This
Speaker 2: is a show about humans. Phil Breaths have quickly become
Speaker 2: fan favorites. I will be talking about the marriage and
Speaker 2: why it failed. From my perspective, Google boxes are back.
Speaker 2: I have no control over my emotions and they're running.
Speaker 2: They're running the show.
Speaker 1: Hi, Isabelle, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good? Thank you, Ben.
Speaker 1: Do you prefer Isabelle? Because in recent years I've heard
Speaker 1: a few nicknames along the way, and I wondered, had
Speaker 1: I accidentally been really formal all this time by mistake?
Speaker 1: All right, do you have nicknames?
Speaker 2: I do, but I always felt like you called me
Speaker 2: isabel because I was in trouble all of the time,
Speaker 2: because I'm only called Isabel by my parents when I'm
Speaker 2: in trouble. Really yeah, otherwise it's easy or is or
Speaker 2: Isa what the girls call.
Speaker 1: Me to I've never called you anything but Isabelle. And
Speaker 1: then I also correct people as well, because people will
Speaker 1: call you bell and I'm like, no, no, no, you
Speaker 1: can't know. You can't tie them like Belle.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, I just yeah, it means beautiful
Speaker 2: and Italian, and that's not what I am.
Speaker 1: Do all of our other friends call you something different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Iza just makes me seem really daggy that I've been
Speaker 1: calling you something so formal.
Speaker 2: I mean, how long have you known me for years?
Speaker 1: It's nearly twenty years. I actually thought it was longer,
Speaker 1: and if people ask me, I always say, we've known
Speaker 1: each other for twenty years, but it's only just coming
Speaker 1: up to twenty years now. So this is our twenty
Speaker 1: year anniversary. Isabelle Isabelle. But you know, it's also a
Speaker 1: good way to start this is to explain how long
Speaker 1: we've known each other. I used to get you to
Speaker 1: make My Big Brother auditions because I was so desperate
Speaker 1: to get on that show. I don't know how many
Speaker 1: you made, but.
Speaker 2: We had fun making those videos. That was fun, and
Speaker 2: I thought, this guy's never going to get on. This
Speaker 2: is a waste of my time. But I also like,
Speaker 2: I thought you were great and hilarious. But I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you've got to get past the audition process, and you
Speaker 2: finally did, and not just fun lot just past the
Speaker 2: audition process, but won it.
Speaker 1: Which is a fun story for me to talk about.
Speaker 1: Is you and whether or not you wanted to be
Speaker 1: on television. I don't think I've ever asked you this,
Speaker 1: but growing up, was that something that you had aspired to?
Speaker 2: No? Never, I was more behind the scenes. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I did media and production it my tea and then
Speaker 2: I was a producer for a long time, like doing
Speaker 2: ads and TV shows, and I loved producing talent. I
Speaker 2: just loved like making the content and making it really interesting.
Speaker 2: I never wanted to be in front of the camera,
Speaker 2: so it was kind of weird that.
Speaker 1: Now it's so weird. It seems strange to me because
Speaker 1: you were working at Silverspoon Productions for so long. You know,
Speaker 1: in my email address it always comes up first, my
Speaker 1: old one, your old email address. But I wanted to know.
Speaker 1: Being there for so long and sort of working behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, did that make you more knowledgeable or better
Speaker 1: as the talent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, because you can see what works and what doesn't,
Speaker 2: and you get a sense of what the audience is
Speaker 2: looking for. And I guess when I applied for goggle
Speaker 2: Box and pitched the three of us women, it was
Speaker 2: just a no brainer to me that there weren't three
Speaker 2: real women of those ages and demographics on mainstream media,
Speaker 2: and I just was like, that's a whole and we
Speaker 2: need we can totally feel that, and yeah, so I
Speaker 2: looked at it from a producer's point of view as
Speaker 2: well and just thought, yeah, what would and what does
Speaker 2: Australia need right now? We need those voices being heard. Yeah.
Speaker 1: People often say that you can't cross over, like if
Speaker 1: you've worked behind the scenes, then you can't go in
Speaker 1: front of the camera. But and that's because it looks
Speaker 1: like you're you're self producing. But you've never looked like
Speaker 1: you were self producing on Google Box. It always just
Speaker 1: seems like, well, you and I going out for coffee
Speaker 1: or going out for drink, like you can't see that
Speaker 1: those clocks ticking.
Speaker 2: And a lot of the time those clocks aren't ticking.
Speaker 2: And I think it's because I am at home and
Speaker 2: I'm on the couch and I'm usually just in my
Speaker 2: pajama bottoms and trackies or whatever, and I'm just with
Speaker 2: Mum and m so it doesn't feel like I've got
Speaker 2: my producer hat on at all. Having said that, sometimes
Speaker 2: you know, I do have to kind of bring em
Speaker 2: along when she's not understanding what we're watching, but you know,
Speaker 2: they show all of that because I'm like, you do
Speaker 2: you know what's going on? She's like nop, And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: this guy's marrying this guy. This is maths. Oh maths. No, no, maths.
Speaker 2: So I like, all right, this is this is hard work.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I think you just I'm just super
Speaker 2: comfortable in the environment.
Speaker 1: So that, yeah, I guess that's not being a producer.
Speaker 1: That's being a granddaughter. Right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Can you hear me? Have you got your hearing aids
Speaker 2: turned up?
Speaker 1: God, Helen? Have you been doing goggle Box.
Speaker 2: For fifteen season? So I think that's seven years.
Speaker 1: It's actually it's madness to me. And you know, often
Speaker 1: when people see us tagged and things on Instagram, people
Speaker 1: will be like, oh, I can see why are your
Speaker 1: friends because you guys are so expressive. And then I
Speaker 1: was thinking about it. Every single one of our friends.
Speaker 1: We are so expressive with our faces, Like you can
Speaker 1: think about Evie Jones or even some of our friends
Speaker 1: that people wouldn't know, like Zoe Yeah, yeah, but all
Speaker 1: of us. You know, you could turn off the sound
Speaker 1: and you could still know what we were talking about.
Speaker 2: It's true, and I just I remember like when we'd
Speaker 2: introduce newbies to our group, or like when we're having
Speaker 2: like drinks on Chapel Straight or whatever, and we'd either
Speaker 2: bring like a new personal dating or a new friend
Speaker 2: that we'd made outside of the group, and I just
Speaker 2: watched their face as the whole entire night, thinking they
Speaker 2: cannot get a word in these poor people, and they're like,
Speaker 2: who are who are these people? You brought me into
Speaker 2: full of stories and animated conversation, and that's what I
Speaker 2: think has drawn all of us together, like we.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where the we should be called the Oversharers?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I like, and you'd see those people's faces
Speaker 2: just go what did they just say? That hearing?
Speaker 1: Can you go to the bathroom take a nude photo
Speaker 1: of me? Sure it's a first trap or whatever. We
Speaker 1: were doing first traps before we even knew that. They
Speaker 1: were thinking how did it come about? I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: I know certain things, so we sort of have to
Speaker 1: pretend I'm more draft than usual. Yeah, but like, how
Speaker 1: does this opportunity to be on goggle Box come about?
Speaker 2: Well, there'd been two seasons already, and I remember seeing
Speaker 2: the ads on Telly and just thinking, what is this
Speaker 2: new show? This looks so bad, And I think the
Speaker 2: rest of Australia was thinking the same thing. You know,
Speaker 2: what have we succumbed to now? Like making a show
Speaker 2: of people watching TV and listening to their opinions. It
Speaker 2: sounds very superficial and horrendous. Yeah, it's the brand new
Speaker 2: TV show about people watching TV. Gogle, goggle bops, goggle box.
Speaker 2: What's the actual point of the show? Me watching someone
Speaker 2: else watching television? Sounds a bit weird and it's something
Speaker 2: I definitely well and will never like.
Speaker 1: They all say that at first, see what the critics
Speaker 1: are raving about the brand new TV show about people
Speaker 1: watching TV.
Speaker 2: I watched the first two seasons, like not religiously, but
Speaker 2: you know, I fell in love with Angie and ev
Speaker 2: as the girls representing the women I fell in lovely
Speaker 2: and Keith. I just thought, this is not a show
Speaker 2: about people watching TV. This is a show about humans
Speaker 2: and the way they interact and their voices and opinions
Speaker 2: on real, big social issues that are happening not just
Speaker 2: in Australia but in the world. And this is a
Speaker 2: really cool way of showing that and really hearing what
Speaker 2: people all the thinking and talking about at home with
Speaker 2: their people. And I was like, oh, that's awesome. And
Speaker 2: then mom came home from work. She worked at Monash
Speaker 2: Medical Center on the adolescent psychiatric wood and one of
Speaker 2: the nurses there was like, oh, this new show goggle
Speaker 2: Box is awesome, Like you'd be great on it, Kerry,
Speaker 2: You're so expressive and you've got it a lot of opinions.
Speaker 2: And she came home she was like, have you heard
Speaker 2: of this show? And I was like, yeah, yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2: And I just had a baby, and you know, I
Speaker 2: was kind of like I want to do something, but
Speaker 2: I really can't. Can't go back to working full time.
Speaker 2: It's just too stressful. I had a think he was
Speaker 2: twelve months old or yeah, very he was still a baby,
Speaker 2: and yeah. I just looked at the application form online
Speaker 2: and was like four questions, easy, peasy, bang did the submission.
Speaker 2: I was like three generations of women having a chat
Speaker 2: on the couch. There we go, submitted it. Never in
Speaker 2: a million years thought i'd get a phone call like
Speaker 2: the next day going can you guys get together tomorrow
Speaker 2: so we can meet you? And I was like oh,
Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, we start filming next week, so
Speaker 2: they left their casting like to the very last minute.
Speaker 2: I think we're up against another family who didn't get in,
Speaker 2: so they really had to make the decision real quick.
Speaker 1: I think the good thing for you, though, and what
Speaker 1: people might not realize, is that you have the trifecta,
Speaker 1: as in, you're well written, you speak well, and you
Speaker 1: look good for camera. I mean, that's that's debatable.
Speaker 2: Some days, some nights I do not look good for camera.
Speaker 2: I mean, have you seen those close subs, Benjamin.
Speaker 1: I've seen us in all kinds of states throughout the
Speaker 1: twenty years of friendship, and I think you've always looked
Speaker 1: like you know, I think you're This is going to
Speaker 1: sound strange, but I think you've always come across like
Speaker 1: a character in lots of ways. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: genuinely who you are. But I think if anyone was
Speaker 1: going to read something, and we'll get into your writing later,
Speaker 1: but you know, you're very well written. So I mean
Speaker 1: for an application process, that's just one step. But you know,
Speaker 1: then you've got to be able to speak on camera,
Speaker 1: and then you kind of have to look the part
Speaker 1: as well, and you represent something in the zeitgeist now
Speaker 1: of you know, the everyday Australian daughter, you know, and
Speaker 1: so you kind of have to fit that mold and
Speaker 1: you have and you do that really well.
Speaker 2: But what's interesting, I think as the seasons have continued,
Speaker 2: never ending, is that you kind of go on the
Speaker 2: journey with the show and with the we'll call them
Speaker 2: characters or cast members as they develop, you know. And
Speaker 2: I've I was married when I was first on there,
Speaker 2: I went through a divorce, you know, lost animals, got remarried,
Speaker 2: got remarried, black, like lots of different life events that
Speaker 2: everyone kind of goes through. And so if you've watched
Speaker 2: it over the years, yeah, yeah, you're on that journey
Speaker 2: with like the single Isabelle like perving on all the
Speaker 2: boys and then oh no she's getting married. Oh no,
Speaker 2: she's been a bit more sensible. Ah, you know she
Speaker 2: looks a bit down at the moment. That's because I had, yeah,
Speaker 2: mental health issues going on. And yeah, yeah, you just
Speaker 2: it's a what's an all sort of show, like yeah.
Speaker 1: It's unfiltered, Yeah, totally. I think if you were to
Speaker 1: be somebody who who was trying to project something, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't work. But then also we know, like producers edit
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff out. Good question to ask you
Speaker 1: is how did all of your friends and sort of
Speaker 1: family I always think of saying family friends because my
Speaker 1: entire friendship with you, you're always like, sorry, I can't
Speaker 1: come to that. I've got a family friend's engagement. You
Speaker 1: have so many fucking family friends. Then how did all
Speaker 1: of they respond to the sudden fame for you?
Speaker 2: Like a lot of them might say, I'd say eighty
Speaker 2: percent of my people were really supportive, but just a
Speaker 2: bit shocked that. I don't know that people would find
Speaker 2: what I have to say interesting. I think, to your
Speaker 2: own people, you're not that interesting. You're just you, And
Speaker 2: so they go, oh, why are you now on this show?
Speaker 2: And why do people want to watch that, which is
Speaker 2: a little bit I don't know, it's questionable. But at
Speaker 2: the same time they were like, no, that's awesome, Like
Speaker 2: if people love you as much as we do, then great.
Speaker 2: But I think it has they've adjusted over the years
Speaker 2: of you know what, you know very well what it's like,
Speaker 2: You've just one big brother. You come out, everyone wants
Speaker 2: a piece of you, they want a photo with you,
Speaker 2: they want to talk to you, and you know, we
Speaker 2: I do get.
Speaker 1: Approached all the time.
Speaker 2: All the time, well, you know, sometimes not.
Speaker 1: But if we're at a bug it easily.
Speaker 2: I think people more smile and walk past and just
Speaker 2: give me a bit of a nod. They don't know telling.
Speaker 1: About the ones that come up and talk to you.
Speaker 1: Everyone's already watching. Everyone's already and you kind of forget
Speaker 1: that everyone's doing that. And I think the reason why
Speaker 1: I asked you that question is I think we've both
Speaker 1: been in those situations where you're having a really in
Speaker 1: depth personal conversation and we click in when we're talking
Speaker 1: to our friends, we're like wholeheartedly in the conversation, and
Speaker 1: so it was really disruptive for some of our friends
Speaker 1: to have that conversation broken, to have something so strange
Speaker 1: as someone coming over and saying I love you from
Speaker 1: goggle Box. And then you're like, like, I remember once
Speaker 1: being on Chapel Street and I was with someone who
Speaker 1: was crying because they were talking about something extremely serious
Speaker 1: and I'm not appropriate. I feel like you're like, look,
Speaker 1: thank you, but can you please Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, especially when you're not in a good state either,
Speaker 2: like I've been in arguments with my husband or arguments
Speaker 2: with my mum and then people want to come and
Speaker 2: be like I love your family. I'm like, well right
Speaker 2: now I'm about to fucking kill us, So do you
Speaker 2: really love us?
Speaker 1: What's been the highlight from this whole goggle Box experience
Speaker 1: thus far? Now we're going to talk about the book
Speaker 1: coming up, so we're going to talk about your mom
Speaker 1: and em but like, what's been your favorite moment? There
Speaker 1: must be something that you've watched on screen and been like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's really cutting through or I'm really
Speaker 1: proud of myself, which we're told we're not supposed to be.
Speaker 2: By the way, well, stuff that I don't believe in
Speaker 2: tall poppy syndrome. I think Australia needs to get over it.
Speaker 2: I really loved watching a few of the episodes where
Speaker 2: and I just I think credit to the way goggle
Speaker 2: Box is put together, the way it's edited and the
Speaker 2: producing behind you know, how it's how it's made is
Speaker 2: really clever and maybe not many people realize what's happening
Speaker 2: when they're watching it, but the journey that you go on,
Speaker 2: like laughing and crying and sort of making fun of
Speaker 2: something like maths. But then we'll go into something like
Speaker 2: a documentary about refugees or something in Australia and get
Speaker 2: a really interesting insight that we might not otherwise have had.
Speaker 2: And I get super proud of myself and my family
Speaker 2: when we just we just say something that makes people
Speaker 2: think a bit differently, like it might be. I remember
Speaker 2: there was a pod we call them pods, the little
Speaker 2: sections where we're watching a dot go on refugees and
Speaker 2: how we've been treating them and the politicians, you know,
Speaker 2: reactions and what they were doing about it. And my
Speaker 2: grandma was just like, oh my god, this is like
Speaker 2: a concentration camp. This is as bad as like is
Speaker 2: this really what we're doing in Australia And just questioned
Speaker 2: like is this okay with everyone? Like what's going on?
Speaker 2: And it finished just on her quote, and I thought, wow, like, because.
Speaker 1: You know, people are going to turn off, turn away,
Speaker 1: and whoever they're sitting next to, they're going to continue
Speaker 1: that conversation which they may not have. And then also
Speaker 1: the people still watching a lot of freedoware television. They
Speaker 1: are middle class Australians who may not be watching all
Speaker 1: the news jams, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Or if a certain type of media which is feeding
Speaker 2: one type of message. But also, you know, I'm really
Speaker 2: passionate about the relationship between Emmy and I and Mum,
Speaker 2: and you know, there was a section We've watched old
Speaker 2: People's Homes for five year olds a few times, and
Speaker 2: you know, just a reminder to people out there that,
Speaker 2: you know, don't forget our old people, you know, especially
Speaker 2: during COVID and lockdowns and people getting older, people getting
Speaker 2: really bad depression. You know, it's up to our generation
Speaker 2: and the younger ones to sort of check in, make
Speaker 2: that phone call, go and visit them in their home,
Speaker 2: go and see, you know, bring them some flowers and
Speaker 2: go and have like and interact and have a great
Speaker 2: conversation because these people are not dead. They're our family,
Speaker 2: and we should, you know, really respect them a lot
Speaker 2: more than I reckon as a whole community, we really
Speaker 2: do undervalue the older people. Meeting the children is a
Speaker 2: very important thing to meet because I don't see enough
Speaker 2: of my own. You know, we light up when you
Speaker 2: see my son.
Speaker 1: Yeah, baking biscuits and put it on the tray, everybody.
Speaker 1: I love watching him do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember there was we're watching that and I
Speaker 2: just took Emmy's hand. I was like, you know, I
Speaker 2: love you so much and she's like, thanks for just
Speaker 2: being here for me.
Speaker 1: How weird though, that so many of us will shuffle
Speaker 1: off the elderly, most vulnerable into a home and Emmy's
Speaker 1: what ninety three and onty four and like, you know,
Speaker 1: she's still living with your mum and she's still so vibrant.
Speaker 1: And that has a lot to do with you.
Speaker 2: It's a lot to do with the social interaction, and
Speaker 2: that's been proven scientifically. We need connection and we need
Speaker 2: to be speaking to people looking at faces. That is
Speaker 2: the key to you know, to happiness really and living
Speaker 2: longer and more healthy.
Speaker 1: You know, that show makes me cry every time. What
Speaker 1: has really impressed me, and this does not happen for
Speaker 1: everyone that is on television, is being able to draw
Speaker 1: a line of communication from who they are on a
Speaker 1: show to social media. And I don't know how you've
Speaker 1: been able to do that, but you've really been able
Speaker 1: to create this very specific voice which absolutely is who
Speaker 1: you are, and it's you in a conversation with friends,
Speaker 1: you being having a first for knowledge. It's you being
Speaker 1: so blatantly raw that sometimes people might turn away and
Speaker 1: go too that's too much information. But what drives you
Speaker 1: to be able to share your story with that following,
Speaker 1: like what drives you for that?
Speaker 2: I think at the start it was really taking the
Speaker 2: platform I've been given seriously, and really it took a while,
Speaker 2: talk about a year to sort of realize that this
Speaker 2: comes with a responsibility and I really don't want to
Speaker 2: waste it. I remember in the.
Speaker 1: Movie with Give Me An actor.
Speaker 2: Lady Gaga, the singing one oh Born, Sarah's Bourne staris Bourne,
Speaker 2: Thank you Ben. They're on the balcony in you know,
Speaker 2: she's found this new fame and he says to her,
Speaker 2: You've got a voice. People are listening. Use it. And
Speaker 2: it's the same I tell myself that all the time.
Speaker 2: It's like people whether it's on Instagram or on the TV,
Speaker 2: or whether they're reading something I'm writing, they're listening that.
Speaker 2: Or are you going to use that to sell makeup?
Speaker 2: Are you going to use that to talk about something
Speaker 2: that's really meaningful that may improve the world in some
Speaker 2: tiny way? And I want to do the latter.
Speaker 1: You know, it's really funny though, I'm going to throw
Speaker 1: myself under the bus and not ask you to agree.
Speaker 1: But some people overshare, like Abbi Chatfield, drives me insane,
Speaker 1: like and I loved Abi Chatfield to start with, but
Speaker 1: then over a period of time she felt controlled by
Speaker 1: her own narrative of wanting to be in that space
Speaker 1: where for you you absolutely dip in and out of
Speaker 1: a varied amount of topics, you know, a varied amount
Speaker 1: of sharing, and then also a controlled amount of sharing
Speaker 1: as well, because you mean, you've got a little boy,
Speaker 1: and you've got certain things that are completely off limits.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a very hard tight rope to walk, yeah,
Speaker 1: to engage with people, and then to be in control
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: Yep, I think it's a tight one, but I think
Speaker 2: it's a necessary one for your own mental health and
Speaker 2: just I think you just got a hoe. This is
Speaker 2: what I do. Anyway, I hone in on what's the
Speaker 2: goal with this? You know, visibility without any sort of
Speaker 2: goal is vanity. Really, if you're putting yourself out there
Speaker 2: and you don't really know why, you're just there. You
Speaker 2: want to show your body, you want to talk about
Speaker 2: an issue, and you're not really you're not really knowledge
Speaker 2: in understanding what's the purpose in this? If you've got
Speaker 2: no purpose, it's literally just for vanity. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: no other reason.
Speaker 1: But that's ninety nine point nine in my mind getting
Speaker 1: the statistics wrong. But in my mind it's ninety nine
Speaker 1: point nine percent of people and influencers because some of
Speaker 1: them are so amazing on paper, like you know, on
Speaker 1: the screen, and then you meet them and there's no
Speaker 1: subtext behind it. You can't have a discussion where I know,
Speaker 1: every single thing that you've shared online, you've probably had
Speaker 1: that discussion with your girlfriends and oh yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: or you've researched it online. You've never entered into a
Speaker 1: discussion if you didn't have something to say, no, like
Speaker 1: you were never talking for the sake of talking, no,
Speaker 1: And if you didn't know you were asking questions, which
Speaker 1: I think is what should be the behind that should be.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the word that's like the vortex
Speaker 1: or whatever behind you being there in the first place.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But also I think a lot of people are
Speaker 2: are quite trigger happy, and I have been in the
Speaker 2: past two without just pulling it right back and sort
Speaker 2: of what I share and when is really specific and
Speaker 2: it's really planned.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I've been through some you know, horrible times and I
Speaker 2: haven't just woken up the day of something's happened to
Speaker 2: me and just put it out there. I wait till
Speaker 2: I processed it with my friends, with my family, with
Speaker 2: my partner, with my child, with my therapist, and then
Speaker 2: I think I'm ready, like I've healed from this, but
Speaker 2: how can what I've been through benefit someone else? And
Speaker 2: then I put it out there when I'm ready. If
Speaker 2: I'm ready knowing that things are come out, things will
Speaker 2: come back, right, You're going to be really ready for that.
Speaker 2: If I talk about having a miscarriage, I'm going to
Speaker 2: get lots of other women who have suffered miscourage and
Speaker 2: they're going to want to talk to me about it,
Speaker 2: and they're going to want to share their story. Now,
Speaker 2: if I'm red raw like it's happened yesterday, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to be ready for all that. That's just too much.
Speaker 1: Well, you're not armed with the information, and I think
Speaker 1: that's something that you do do. I watch it. I
Speaker 1: watch it because it happens in real life, and we
Speaker 1: hear about it in our friendship in real time, and
Speaker 1: then it will come out on social media like three
Speaker 1: months later, and then people will ask me about it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well that's a little while ago. But
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I'm like, but you've completely armed yourself
Speaker 1: with what you're going to say back to people, because
Speaker 1: someone's experience could be really hectic, and then you've got
Speaker 1: to be able to have that criticism from them, because
Speaker 1: some people could be jealous of you being able to
Speaker 1: be capable of having that conversation as well, So got
Speaker 1: to be careful with that. You recently shared your story
Speaker 1: with PMD. Yes, what was that? You know? What's that
Speaker 1: like being for you? I mean was it a relief
Speaker 1: for you to know that you could now label it
Speaker 1: or you could now think I now know what this is,
Speaker 1: I now know how to deal with it. Like, how's that?
Speaker 1: How's that whole process been for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been really positive. It's been such a relief.
Speaker 2: So PMDD stands for pre menstrual dysphoric disorder, and it
Speaker 2: is classified as a mood disorder because it's Yes, it's
Speaker 2: around your periods and your cycle, but it's actually a
Speaker 2: brain issue. So yeah, my brain doesn't process the hormones
Speaker 2: properly and I turn into a psycho.
Speaker 1: You know, it's really funny And I shouldn't cut you
Speaker 1: off because we keep talking about this, but I we
Speaker 1: have never I've never seen you. But this version it's
Speaker 1: so weird. I've never seen it.
Speaker 2: Which version.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I only ever have what you and
Speaker 1: I talking like now like this, this is our entire friendship.
Speaker 1: I know that sometimes when you can be a little
Speaker 1: bit mannic in situations that you can explode, but that's
Speaker 1: never happened in our friendship. I've never seen, not between
Speaker 1: you and I.
Speaker 2: But you've seen me in manic states when I'm breaking
Speaker 2: up with someone, or I'm going to stalk someone at
Speaker 2: the local bar, or I'm you know, on my fiercely
Speaker 2: on my phone looking through. That's when I'm not okay
Speaker 2: because I have no control over my emotions and they're running.
Speaker 2: They're running the show.
Speaker 1: And I feel bad though, because I feel like I've
Speaker 1: just I've never told you not to do anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what friends do.
Speaker 1: Supportive, I know, but.
Speaker 2: I go and do that.
Speaker 1: Really, I won't, like I was in. There's been situations.
Speaker 1: I mean, I reckon it was nearly twenty years ago
Speaker 1: we stalked twenty of your ex boyfriends and you were like,
Speaker 1: do you want to come and stalk my ex boyfriend?
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, we bought sausage rolls from the
Speaker 1: seven to eleven and smoke. Siky's in the car at
Speaker 1: the front of his house, waiting for it to come home.
Speaker 2: See, that's a good friend.
Speaker 1: But I probably I was older than you. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: It is, like, I'm five years older than you, so
Speaker 1: I probably should have been like you know, Isabelle, it's
Speaker 1: two in the morning. I think we've got better things
Speaker 1: to do. But I feel like I'm just I don't. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe that says more about me than in the type
Speaker 1: of friendship that I have. But I never say to
Speaker 1: someone not to do it. I probably feel like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you're safer if I'm here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also you learn from these things. If you
Speaker 2: say not to do it, I would be still gone.
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't have been with you, So Vanessa, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would have found someone. Yeah. Yeah, it's just been
Speaker 2: it's been a relief to understand what those past behaviors
Speaker 2: were and why, and now I can do something about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm still a work in progress, but I'm
Speaker 2: getting there and it's really freeing.
Speaker 1: So tell me about the book. How did this idea
Speaker 1: come about? I mean, I think it's genius.
Speaker 2: Have you read it, Benjamin.
Speaker 1: I am halfway through, and I, I don't know, this
Speaker 1: is going to sound really strange. I cannot. I did
Speaker 1: not expect to be emotional reading it at all, and
Speaker 1: I expected to laugh, and I expected some oh dear
Speaker 1: over sharing from all three of you, because all three
Speaker 1: of you, in separate generations, have some common links, I mean,
Speaker 1: very different women, but there's still that common link of
Speaker 1: you know, just I'm just going to tell you everything,
Speaker 1: what's at all. I found that when I read your
Speaker 1: first part. I know from everything you've ever written, just
Speaker 1: even you know on social media that you're very well written.
Speaker 1: But that first part of those first few pages, I
Speaker 1: felt immensely proud of you, and I felt emotional for that.
Speaker 1: But then your mum's the same age as my mum,
Speaker 1: so her upbringing in Melbourne is so similar to mums,
Speaker 1: and so that made me emotional. And Emmy the same
Speaker 1: m's the same age as my grandfather who's no longer
Speaker 1: with us, but his stories were so similar to hers.
Speaker 1: I mean, just the first three lines of Emmy's. I
Speaker 1: was instantly transported to sitting in a caravan with my
Speaker 1: grandfather telling stories of his childhood, and I just could not.
Speaker 1: I just I wept. I I love that, but then
Speaker 1: immediately after it's not sad all the time. It's almost
Speaker 1: like the best version of nostalgia and lots of way
Speaker 1: for Australians to relate to. And I think it has
Speaker 1: a wider appeal than that. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: came up with the idea, but it's just genius.
Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't my idea. So I had always started
Speaker 2: writing M's memoir from when I fell pregnant and I
Speaker 2: had a few months up my sleeve on maternity leave,
Speaker 2: and that was my idea that I wanted to capture
Speaker 2: her life. She's got such an amazing story to tell
Speaker 2: and just to have it in our family was the
Speaker 2: goal for that project. And then I had the baby,
Speaker 2: and then I was like, oh, this is too hard.
Speaker 2: God was halfway through her life and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll come back to that, and I never did. And
Speaker 2: she had all these handwritten notes and we typed it
Speaker 2: all up and then far fort to a year ago,
Speaker 2: I got a LinkedIn message from this female publisher from
Speaker 2: Simon and Schusta just saying hello, Isabelle love your family
Speaker 2: on goggle Box. Have you ever thought about writing a
Speaker 2: memoir the three of you. And I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, no, But now that you've said it, and
Speaker 2: so I, you know, did my research on her. I really,
Speaker 2: you know, we had a zoom. I wanted to It's
Speaker 2: like handing over your sort of diary. You want to
Speaker 2: hand it to the right person, you know, and you
Speaker 2: want to have the trust and make sure you're on
Speaker 2: the same page with your vision and what your goal
Speaker 2: is and all that for the project. And as soon
Speaker 2: as I started talking to her, it was like, she's
Speaker 2: our person, Like she's a woman. She was just strong, powerful, inspiring.
Speaker 2: She also had a passion for real women's voices out there,
Speaker 2: and yeah, she was just she saw the potential. And
Speaker 2: she's like, it's never been done, like three interwoven voices
Speaker 2: from three generations. And she's like, you know, I loved
Speaker 2: her attitude. It's a bit like we're going to wing it,
Speaker 2: like never done this before, but cool, like love a challenge.
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, and it was challenging to
Speaker 2: do something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess she was already speaking your language, which
Speaker 1: is what you're always looking for. It's like when you're
Speaker 1: looking for a good boss. I always say to people,
Speaker 1: you know, you're never going to do any good in
Speaker 1: that job if your boss doesn't like you, because you
Speaker 1: then spend all this time trying to make your boss
Speaker 1: like you instead of doing the job. You know, So
Speaker 1: if you can find that commonality, you can find that
Speaker 1: language immediately with someone you go yes, this is exciting
Speaker 1: because yeah, trust then comes and obviously the fear of
Speaker 1: jumping off the edge with something so fragile and so
Speaker 1: raw as sharing your life story. You know, you want
Speaker 1: to make sure that all of those things are there.
Speaker 1: Where so many other people would just be like, alright,
Speaker 1: let's just you know, go for it, you know, sell
Speaker 1: off their stories, you know, see where it goes. But
Speaker 1: your process would be different for writing for yourself because
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that knowing you as well as I do,
Speaker 1: there isn't that narciss's and for you really to write
Speaker 1: about yourself for I'd never heard you. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to write a book about Isabelle, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Where what was the process like for you then to
Speaker 1: dig deep and share your story? Yes?
Speaker 2: So I again, I just did a lot of planning
Speaker 2: for myself and really thought about what are the topics
Speaker 2: for women, like sort of the shared female experience that
Speaker 2: I'm really passionate about, sort of breaking the stigmas on
Speaker 2: or just talking really honest about And you know, I
Speaker 2: did like post it notes, and like divorce and having affairs,
Speaker 2: and bringing up kids and being a daughter, being a granddaughter,
Speaker 2: my relationship with men, money, Like just I just had
Speaker 2: hot topics that I was really could speak about for
Speaker 2: hours with you know you or anyone really and then
Speaker 2: I just condensed them into chapters. And so I said
Speaker 2: to Emmy and Mom, all right, we're going to write
Speaker 2: about money. Tell me your relationship with money, tell me
Speaker 2: what you think about money, tell me how money does
Speaker 2: bad in the world, how it can do good in
Speaker 2: the world. And we eat had away and wrote it
Speaker 2: from our perspectives whilst storytelling our own life in it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was really tricky, but it worked.
Speaker 1: It's a brilliant tapestry. I said to your mum the
Speaker 1: other day, I was talking to her yesterday. You probably
Speaker 1: think it's so weird that I talked to you, mum.
Speaker 2: All the time.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to her yesterday or the day before. It
Speaker 1: reminds me of the movie How to Make an American
Speaker 1: Quilled because I don't know if you've seen that film,
Speaker 1: but it's a tapestry of story and somehow something so
Speaker 1: unique and something so different compliments the other and it
Speaker 1: draws something out. So you might have just read you
Speaker 1: talking about it, and then you move on to Kerry,
Speaker 1: and then she brings something out of she unlocks something
Speaker 1: that you've said, which makes me think this is more
Speaker 1: than just a friend giving a testimonial. That's where I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people could learn from it, you know,
Speaker 1: That's where I think wow. And then also going back
Speaker 1: to the fact that all three of you are so
Speaker 1: able to share funny, emotional backstories of your lives. Do
Speaker 1: you get scared revealing that kind of stuff from your
Speaker 1: personal life?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think there's definitely something to say about
Speaker 2: a vulnerability hangover.
Speaker 1: Please explain.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, when you seriously it's like it's like
Speaker 2: you're reading my diary, like those words, and I'm so
Speaker 2: like it's coming out, you know, in a few days,
Speaker 2: and just like oh fuck, like this is can't take
Speaker 2: it back now. And even just reading for the audio book,
Speaker 2: you're sitting there in front of this very sweet and
Speaker 2: young audio engineer who is a male and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm reading out like such personal things about my vagina,
Speaker 2: about having sex with a woman, about getting my period.
Speaker 1: That's not for you. In our friendship, it always has been.
Speaker 1: Now it's for everyone.
Speaker 2: This is so fun. But I just had to keep
Speaker 2: telling myself, you've got this, and this is bigger than you.
Speaker 2: This is actually not about you. It's it's about the
Speaker 2: messages for readers and what others can gain out of this.
Speaker 2: And the poor bloke he got out of the thing
Speaker 2: and I said, I'm so sorry you had to listen
Speaker 2: to that. You're not the target audience for this book.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I loved it, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: it was like I was crying, I was laughing. I
Speaker 2: thought it was amazing. And I was thought, oh, okay, Well,
Speaker 2: if a twenty year old boy can enjoy it, to
Speaker 2: get enjoy it, then.
Speaker 1: You know it's isn't it amazing as well that you
Speaker 1: have that for the rest of your life? Like to
Speaker 1: go back and I'd love to hear my grandfather's stories
Speaker 1: again in his voice, and you all have that for
Speaker 1: eternity now, and hope more people think, oh god, I've
Speaker 1: got to get my mom or my grandma, mother's voice
Speaker 1: or whatever. I've got to have that down. I remember
Speaker 1: over summer we were in the pool talking about the book,
Speaker 1: and I think this is an important question to ask.
Speaker 1: What was the hardest thing to share for you? And
Speaker 1: is there anything that's been still left in the edit
Speaker 1: that you're worried about? Because we discussed a few things
Speaker 1: that I think have been now taken out and that
Speaker 1: was probably going too far in some ways. But is
Speaker 1: there anything left in there that you're thinking, God, that's
Speaker 1: the thing I don't I'm worried how that's going to land. Hmmm.
Speaker 2: Yes. Probably the biggest thing is for me two things.
Speaker 2: Two things. The first one is my dad. So you know,
Speaker 2: my mum speaks very openly about their separation, and I
Speaker 2: kind of didn't want her to divulge sort of his
Speaker 2: role in their separation. I felt very strongly that when
Speaker 2: I talk about my own separation, that I talk about
Speaker 2: it from my perspective and what I had done, if
Speaker 2: I'd done it differently, mistakes I'd made, whatever, and I
Speaker 2: you know, my chapter on separation, it's very raw and
Speaker 2: very honest, but I was very mindful that I'm talking
Speaker 2: about another human being not only the father of my child,
Speaker 2: but he's still alive, and he has friends, and he
Speaker 2: has a career, and it doesn't matter how much he's
Speaker 2: done wrong to me. I am not going to lower
Speaker 2: myself to publicly humiliate him.
Speaker 1: But what made you think that Kerry wouldn't be the same.
Speaker 1: I don't think that she had the same fears, or
Speaker 1: do you think that.
Speaker 2: I think she doesn't care? So I feel like I
Speaker 2: kind of had to in my chapters about my relationship
Speaker 2: with my father. I had to really show the readers
Speaker 2: that yes, my dad may have made some mistakes in
Speaker 2: his marriage, but to me as a father, he was amazing.
Speaker 2: So I just didn't want the reader to come to
Speaker 2: finish the book and be like, oh, he's about the
Speaker 2: dad sounds like a complete asshole. Like, yeah, I'm very
Speaker 2: mindful that this is our book and we are writing.
Speaker 2: We have the rights to our own and what we
Speaker 2: share and what we don't. But someone else who's in
Speaker 2: that book doesn't have that opportunity to say, well, hang on,
Speaker 2: I don't really want that to come out. So I've
Speaker 2: changed people's names, I've haven't shared certain things because it's
Speaker 2: not up to me to, you know, talk about someone
Speaker 2: else's so sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good.
Speaker 2: I know you should be so proud. But what I
Speaker 2: am worried about is my own mistakes that are still
Speaker 2: in the book, and just I hope that have you
Speaker 2: read that chapter yet?
Speaker 1: Is it the backhand of the book?
Speaker 2: It's let me see, you would have known if you've.
Speaker 1: Read mentioned the topic. Is it about it's about me?
Speaker 2: No, it's about me having an affair?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, No, I haven't read all I made.
Speaker 2: You know the story anymore?
Speaker 1: Do you tell it? No?
Speaker 2: They can read about it.
Speaker 1: Do you know what's really strange, going back to something
Speaker 1: about Alan your father, was that at the time of
Speaker 1: your first wedding, people in the family and then the
Speaker 1: friendship circle was so unsure on how to interact with
Speaker 1: him that day and that night, and he was kind
Speaker 1: of on his own. And then being at your wedding
Speaker 1: just recently and being able to talk to alarm was
Speaker 1: amazing because he was then able to be more comfortable,
Speaker 1: and there was and more the story was more understood. Yep,
Speaker 1: you know, his backstory had evolved to a point where
Speaker 1: everyone had understood it. Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Well, it's not raw anymore.
Speaker 1: But Yeah, it's interesting to see how these stories come along.
Speaker 1: Was I mean, we kind of touched on this as well.
Speaker 1: Were there any restrictions from your previous partner when you
Speaker 1: told him you were going to do the book and
Speaker 1: how did you manage to navigate that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I thought it was going to be a ship
Speaker 2: fight and it actually wasn't, which was in a weird way,
Speaker 2: has kind of brought us closer because we don't really
Speaker 2: have a very functional relationship with co parent and that's
Speaker 2: about it. But I was just open and honest with him,
Speaker 2: and I said, I am not going to to talk
Speaker 2: about you and what your role was in our marriage
Speaker 2: or out you know, the death of our marriage, but
Speaker 2: I will be talking about the marriage and why it
Speaker 2: failed from my perspective. And he said, okay, I respect that.
Speaker 2: Can you send me what you've written? And I was like, oh, send, Like,
Speaker 2: oh god, oh God. So I sent him the chapter,
Speaker 2: and I think I sent him a couple of chapters.
Speaker 2: I think it would have been really hard, yeah, but
Speaker 2: also really hard for him maybe to read how what
Speaker 2: it was like for me to pick up the pieces
Speaker 2: as a single mom, like by myself struggling mentally and
Speaker 2: physically the way I did, and maybe maybe he started
Speaker 2: to sort of feel a bit sorry for me and
Speaker 2: maybe have a bit more empathy than when you're in it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was so long ago now. I also
Speaker 2: sent him the affair chapter, like, yes, he found out
Speaker 2: I had the affair, so it wasn't news to him,
Speaker 2: but I him to know again to read the words
Speaker 2: and to understand what was going to be put out there.
Speaker 2: And I also sent him the PMDD chapter because I
Speaker 2: really wanted to show him that the book was not
Speaker 2: about me pretending that I'm this perfect person and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell all the shiny things about my
Speaker 2: life that I was really willing to share the truth
Speaker 2: about myself. And so he read all of it and
Speaker 2: he wrote back, I really respect that that was your
Speaker 2: point of view. I disagree with some of.
Speaker 1: It, but of course, like everyone's.
Speaker 2: Good to yeah, but you're welcome to to publish it.
Speaker 2: So that was a big relief because I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to get lawyers on me. It's going to
Speaker 2: be a defamation case. I'm like, ah, but yeah, it's
Speaker 2: good to be on the same page with your ex husband,
Speaker 2: who's you know, you want to have like calf it
Speaker 2: kin'd of get along with them.
Speaker 1: So I reckon my favorite thing I reckon It sounds
Speaker 1: so a strange. I reckon. My favorite thing about you
Speaker 1: is your rawness. It's always has been like you've never
Speaker 1: tried to pretend that you're perfect. And it's funny along
Speaker 1: the way some of my friends, with our mutual friends,
Speaker 1: have tried to perfect the way that they are seeing
Speaker 1: by people, and it's almost diluted the friendship in some
Speaker 1: ways where it's like, no, do you remember back twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, we would you know, rob a bank. We
Speaker 1: never robbed a back, We never robbed a bank, but
Speaker 1: you know we would metaphorically rob a bank. You know,
Speaker 1: we would still share that.
Speaker 2: I and not care what people thought. You know, we've
Speaker 2: never had any shame, and I think it still goes
Speaker 2: the older we get, shame just goes out the window
Speaker 2: like I'm too old for well, I'm too old for shame.
Speaker 2: I don't care, like you know, and just owning your
Speaker 2: own shit is just it's refreshing for yourself and it's
Speaker 2: refreshing for anyone else around you.
Speaker 1: People need the city. I always say now is you
Speaker 1: need to sit in your ship. But I had a
Speaker 1: friend of mine ring me and he said, I've had
Speaker 1: this massive fight with my boyfriend and I need to
Speaker 1: come and stay with you. And this was late at night,
Speaker 1: and I said no, I said, and years ago i'd
Speaker 1: be like, come over and have a wine and we'll
Speaker 1: commiserate and play Lady Gaga or whatever would have been
Speaker 1: Madonna back there. But I said, no, you need to
Speaker 1: stay there. You need to sit in your shit. And
Speaker 1: then he thanked me for that later on he was like,
Speaker 1: I could have walked out of that relationship at that point,
Speaker 1: but I'm somehow sad in it, and that's where you
Speaker 1: kind of work it all out, you know, and you
Speaker 1: know that's what I think, that's what we more of
Speaker 1: us need to do. Do you think that that's kind
Speaker 1: of the mission statement behind the book Out of the Box,
Speaker 1: which by the way, is out on Mother's Day? Do
Speaker 1: you think that's kind of the mission statement? Is just
Speaker 1: being completely trans parent and being honest. And I guess
Speaker 1: being transparent, being honest and allowing other maybe women, but
Speaker 1: families connect a little bit more.
Speaker 2: I think that's the key to connection. I think it
Speaker 2: is having really honest and brave conversations and the person
Speaker 2: that you're talking to may or may not agree with
Speaker 2: you or like what you've got to say, but at
Speaker 2: the end of it, it actually brings you closer. That's
Speaker 2: what intimacy, no matter what relationship we're talking about, is
Speaker 2: built upon, is true authenticity and vulnerability and honesty. They're
Speaker 2: the key ingredients in my opinion, for a good relationship,
Speaker 2: good friendship, good marriage, good whatever.
Speaker 1: People will probably think it's a bit of you know,
Speaker 1: a love in because you know, we obviously a friend,
Speaker 1: sort of complimenting each other. But I would really like
Speaker 1: to see you on shows like The Project, like morning
Speaker 1: shows as a staple, someone who's there because, you know,
Speaker 1: beyond me supporting your success and wanting that to be
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a sign of success. I really think
Speaker 1: that you have so much to waffer. I think that
Speaker 1: you have a unique and brilliant perspective that is something
Speaker 1: more men and women need to hear. And I think
Speaker 1: that so many people on television at the moment have
Speaker 1: presenting where I think you're not doing that. I think
Speaker 1: that you're actually opening lines of communication and being true
Speaker 1: to yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've sat on those shows as a guest, and I've
Speaker 1: seen people on them have a persona that dilutes straight
Speaker 1: away and then they're this horrible other person, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Or they're just completely different to who
Speaker 1: they were pretending to be. Yeah, and that's what we
Speaker 1: need to see more. We need to see more people
Speaker 1: on screen who are authentically being themselves and not presenting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with you. I don't know whether
Speaker 2: how ready I am to present, but I yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I see myself as a conversation starter and just
Speaker 2: a real voice on different issues that I can either
Speaker 2: relate to or not. But I'm yeah, I just I'm
Speaker 2: all about challenging the status quo, like breaking down the stigmas,
Speaker 2: the barriers that redefining the norms and sort of yeah,
Speaker 2: just thinking out of the box. I No, it sounds
Speaker 2: really cliche, but yeah, I'm just so sick of just
Speaker 2: mainstream ways of thinking and doing and everyone just follows along, Like,
Speaker 2: let's just have a different conversation and see it a
Speaker 2: different way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I also think you can talk about politics,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people these days are scared to
Speaker 1: talk about politics where you're so adverse to knowing what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Anyway, I think that that kind of
Speaker 1: stuff I always ask this to all the goggle Boxes,
Speaker 1: so don't feel like this is a trick question. But
Speaker 1: how many more series of goggle Box do you think
Speaker 1: that you'll do?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've always said I'll play it by
Speaker 2: it around Emmy's health. I think if she gets if
Speaker 2: it's too tiring for her, or you know, she just
Speaker 2: can't handle it anymore. You know, it's two or three
Speaker 2: nights a week and it's a lot, then we'll probably
Speaker 2: give it up. But yeah, I mean at the moment,
Speaker 2: we're still really enjoying it. It's just it feels like home.
Speaker 1: And I think people are still willing for you to
Speaker 1: be in their homes. There has been a time, and
Speaker 1: I'm not like calling anyone out, but there's been a
Speaker 1: time where people on that show their time has come
Speaker 1: and they've moved on. And it's and that's because you
Speaker 1: can see it in itself. You know they've shared enough,
Speaker 1: or it's not they're not sharing again. You know. I
Speaker 1: think for you guys, you're continuously sharing, which I think
Speaker 1: means that people are still willing and wanting you to
Speaker 1: be in their homes. Honestly, I didn't think this when
Speaker 1: you started, but I think that you are now probably
Speaker 1: the most popular family on the show.
Speaker 2: I think you're being biased, am I Oh, I.
Speaker 1: Mean i'd probably have to. When I first would watch it,
Speaker 1: I was so nervous for you. I was so nervous
Speaker 1: how you would come across that I would actually just
Speaker 1: fast forward to the bits of you and watch it.
Speaker 1: But it was so out of context, and it's not
Speaker 1: the way to It was not the way to watch it,
Speaker 1: and that it wasn't until I reinvested in it years later,
Speaker 1: and now I can watch google Box with you want it,
Speaker 1: And maybe, yeah, I'm probably a little bit by I think.
Speaker 2: I think Emmy's Emmy's got a soft spot in everyone's heart,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: But she represents a person in everyone's family. We've all
Speaker 1: got a grandmother, yeah, you know, and that relationship is
Speaker 1: something I ask everyone who joins the podcast, is what's
Speaker 1: something from behind the scenes, something that we're as an
Speaker 1: audience did not see and will not see from your
Speaker 1: making of goggle Box, Like, what's something from behind the
Speaker 1: scenes that people may not have known? Are behind the
Speaker 1: scenes secret behind the.
Speaker 2: Scene secrets that Emmy burps and farts a lot, like
Speaker 2: all through filming and the poor audio person has to
Speaker 2: cop it, so they edit a lot of that out.
Speaker 2: I don't think they've ever shown her farting or burping,
Speaker 2: which is so.
Speaker 1: Lovely, so lovely, But now we have told the scenes.
Speaker 2: She wouldn't care. She's proud of it. But like she'll
Speaker 2: get up off the catch to go and get a
Speaker 2: glass of oil, and it'll be.
Speaker 1: Like the whole way there and I'm like, can you
Speaker 1: hear that?
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, yes, m I apologize to the audio guide,
Speaker 2: poor microphone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this has just been so much fun to
Speaker 1: be able to have a conversation. Oh, this is just
Speaker 1: is so bizarre because it just feels perfectly normal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to ask you the most embarrassing and intrusive questions.
Speaker 2: Well, get onto the rest of the book. You will.
Speaker 2: You'll need a drink and you'll need some tissues, because yeah,
Speaker 2: it does get If you think.
Speaker 1: The start was sad, well you come going somewhere.
Speaker 2: You haven't even touched the surface.
Speaker 1: Yet Isabelle Silbury's book. Oh we should quickly say that,
Speaker 1: are we going to change your name where you're still
Speaker 1: going to be Isabelle Silberry.
Speaker 2: I think we'll still be asked, I think will I
Speaker 2: think I will look, I've changed my name legally, but
Speaker 2: I'm just going to stay as silbery.
Speaker 1: For I love your in. Your name Isabelle Richards because
Speaker 1: it just sounds so it sounds like a stage name,
Speaker 1: sounds like a name that would be on Melroe's Place
Speaker 1: or Days of our Lives Isabelle Richards rich But I
Speaker 1: will quickly say the book is out. Mother's Day, goggle
Speaker 1: Box is on. We've we've got two more episodes left
Speaker 1: of this series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually the book is available on the twenty sixth.
Speaker 2: They've moved it of this month because we realize if
Speaker 2: it's available on Mother's Day, there's no time to get
Speaker 2: the book and give it to your mom. So yeah,
Speaker 2: the twenty six it's available. So yeah, order it, get
Speaker 2: it delivered, go to DIMIs or kmart or wherever. Big
Speaker 2: w A bye for your mum or your grandma or
Speaker 2: your daughter.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being on the podcast, so
Speaker 1: having me