WEBVTT - A DEEP DIVE WITH ISABELLE FROM GOGGLEBOX AUSTRALIA 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:04.960 TV Reload the podcast last week. They might welcome back 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.039 to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris and on this 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.280 podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest players 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.640 in television. Each episode you will get a front row 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:19.560 seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, editors and 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.400 casting agents, plus the talent that we see on our screens. 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.400 TV Reload reloads the shows that you are currently watching 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.800 and gives you a better insight at our television industry 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.280 and streaming services today. On the podcast, I have my 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:38.080 good friend Isabel Silbury. You would most likely know her 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.760 as the daughter and the Silbury family on goggle Box Australia, 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.840 as she has watched nearly seven years worth of television 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.199 with her mum and grandmother Kerrie and m Isabel is 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.519 one of my most adventurous friends. She jumps into everything 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:55.320 with her full attention. She is smart, funny and raw, 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:59.200 something that I really value in a friendship. Sharing Isabelle 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.600 with Australia has been a beautiful experience as I think 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:06.759 we need more unfiltered people who are being authentic on television. 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.720 The faces Isabelle pulls on goggle Box Australia have become 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.560 that of its own celebrity, with a gift to convey 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:18.000 every emotion a human could possibly have. There is nothing 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.160 more surreal than a stranger finishing a tweet directed to 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:25.039 me with a classic Isabelle reaction. Today we're here to 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.480 talk about goggle Box Australia, of course, seen on Channel ten, 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.720 Foxtel and Binge, but we're also here to talk about 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.640 her new book, Out of the Box, which is available 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.679 to order now. The book is a memoir shared between 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:41.400 three generations of women as they share the truth behind 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:46.000 their very extraordinary lives. It is genius in my mind, 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.960 and I highly recommend that you jump online right now 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.360 and order a copy, otherwise you will once you've heard 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.760 this chat, as we only lightly scratch the surface of 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.440 the joy in reading her book. I could go on 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.640 and on to intro this chat, but right now let's 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.160 get started with Isabelle Silbury from goggle Box Australia, who 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.440 I welcome to TV reload for the first time. 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.239 I never wanted to be in front of the camera. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.760 They are the multi generational family. Who is she in 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:17.359 the couch on goggle Box. 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:20.400 Australia never in a million years thought I'd get a 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.400 phone call like the next day, what did you want 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:22.840 to tell me? 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.160 I was going to join you something better forgotten. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.360 This is not a show about people watching TV. This 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.920 is a show about humans. Phil Breaths have quickly become 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.640 fan favorites. I will be talking about the marriage and 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.840 why it failed. From my perspective, Google boxes are back. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.960 I have no control over my emotions and they're running. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:45.160 They're running the show. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.359 Hi, Isabelle, how are you? 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:49.400 I'm good? Thank you, Ben. 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.440 Do you prefer Isabelle? Because in recent years I've heard 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:56.000 a few nicknames along the way, and I wondered, had 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.440 I accidentally been really formal all this time by mistake? 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:01.480 All right, do you have nicknames? 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.360 I do, but I always felt like you called me 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.080 isabel because I was in trouble all of the time, 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.280 because I'm only called Isabel by my parents when I'm 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:14.480 in trouble. Really yeah, otherwise it's easy or is or 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:16.480 Isa what the girls call. 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.880 Me to I've never called you anything but Isabelle. And 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.480 then I also correct people as well, because people will 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.560 call you bell and I'm like, no, no, no, you 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.959 can't know. You can't tie them like Belle. 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.280 I don't know why, I just yeah, it means beautiful 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.040 and Italian, and that's not what I am. 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.120 Do all of our other friends call you something different. Yeah, 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.240 Iza just makes me seem really daggy that I've been 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:39.840 calling you something so formal. 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.880 I mean, how long have you known me for years? 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.960 It's nearly twenty years. I actually thought it was longer, 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:48.600 and if people ask me, I always say, we've known 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.040 each other for twenty years, but it's only just coming 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.440 up to twenty years now. So this is our twenty 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:57.800 year anniversary. Isabelle Isabelle. But you know, it's also a 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.000 good way to start this is to explain how long 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:02.680 we've known each other. I used to get you to 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.000 make My Big Brother auditions because I was so desperate 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.080 to get on that show. I don't know how many 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:08.720 you made, but. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.840 We had fun making those videos. That was fun, and 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.880 I thought, this guy's never going to get on. This 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.400 is a waste of my time. But I also like, 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.359 I thought you were great and hilarious. But I'm like, yeah, 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.120 you've got to get past the audition process, and you 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.359 finally did, and not just fun lot just past the 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.440 audition process, but won it. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.200 Which is a fun story for me to talk about. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.520 Is you and whether or not you wanted to be 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.400 on television. I don't think I've ever asked you this, 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.320 but growing up, was that something that you had aspired to? 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.400 No? Never, I was more behind the scenes. So yeah, 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.840 I did media and production it my tea and then 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:48.919 I was a producer for a long time, like doing 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:53.560 ads and TV shows, and I loved producing talent. I 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.920 just loved like making the content and making it really interesting. 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.880 I never wanted to be in front of the camera, 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:01.760 so it was kind of weird that. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.560 Now it's so weird. It seems strange to me because 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.240 you were working at Silverspoon Productions for so long. You know, 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:11.240 in my email address it always comes up first, my 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.120 old one, your old email address. But I wanted to know. 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:17.200 Being there for so long and sort of working behind 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.000 the scenes, did that make you more knowledgeable or better 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:21.480 as the talent. 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.560 Yeah, definitely, because you can see what works and what doesn't, 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:28.800 and you get a sense of what the audience is 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:32.440 looking for. And I guess when I applied for goggle 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.279 Box and pitched the three of us women, it was 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.239 just a no brainer to me that there weren't three 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:42.440 real women of those ages and demographics on mainstream media, 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.800 and I just was like, that's a whole and we 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.520 need we can totally feel that, and yeah, so I 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.039 looked at it from a producer's point of view as 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.000 well and just thought, yeah, what would and what does 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:58.039 Australia need right now? We need those voices being heard. Yeah. 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.320 People often say that you can't cross over, like if 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.320 you've worked behind the scenes, then you can't go in 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:05.200 front of the camera. But and that's because it looks 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.320 like you're you're self producing. But you've never looked like 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.919 you were self producing on Google Box. It always just 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.040 seems like, well, you and I going out for coffee 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.599 or going out for drink, like you can't see that 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:17.679 those clocks ticking. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:19.760 And a lot of the time those clocks aren't ticking. 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.120 And I think it's because I am at home and 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.640 I'm on the couch and I'm usually just in my 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.680 pajama bottoms and trackies or whatever, and I'm just with 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.520 Mum and m so it doesn't feel like I've got 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:34.120 my producer hat on at all. Having said that, sometimes 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:35.960 you know, I do have to kind of bring em 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.800 along when she's not understanding what we're watching, but you know, 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:40.440 they show all of that because I'm like, you do 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.360 you know what's going on? She's like nop, And I'm like, okay, 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:47.560 this guy's marrying this guy. This is maths. Oh maths. No, no, maths. 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.840 So I like, all right, this is this is hard work. 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.080 But yeah, no, I think you just I'm just super 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.159 comfortable in the environment. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.360 So that, yeah, I guess that's not being a producer. 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:59.480 That's being a granddaughter. Right, yeah, exactly. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.240 Can you hear me? Have you got your hearing aids 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:02.840 turned up? 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.200 God, Helen? Have you been doing goggle Box. 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.880 For fifteen season? So I think that's seven years. 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:12.840 It's actually it's madness to me. And you know, often 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.760 when people see us tagged and things on Instagram, people 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.440 will be like, oh, I can see why are your 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.040 friends because you guys are so expressive. And then I 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.840 was thinking about it. Every single one of our friends. 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.160 We are so expressive with our faces, Like you can 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.680 think about Evie Jones or even some of our friends 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.760 that people wouldn't know, like Zoe Yeah, yeah, but all 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:34.640 of us. You know, you could turn off the sound 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:36.800 and you could still know what we were talking about. 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.960 It's true, and I just I remember like when we'd 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.920 introduce newbies to our group, or like when we're having 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.680 like drinks on Chapel Straight or whatever, and we'd either 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.160 bring like a new personal dating or a new friend 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.600 that we'd made outside of the group, and I just 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.640 watched their face as the whole entire night, thinking they 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.960 cannot get a word in these poor people, and they're like, 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.080 who are who are these people? You brought me into 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:04.720 full of stories and animated conversation, and that's what I 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.040 think has drawn all of us together, like we. 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.560 Yeah, where the we should be called the Oversharers? 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.080 Oh yes, I like, and you'd see those people's faces 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.280 just go what did they just say? That hearing? 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:19.560 Can you go to the bathroom take a nude photo 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:25.280 of me? Sure it's a first trap or whatever. We 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.480 were doing first traps before we even knew that. They 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.560 were thinking how did it come about? I mean, obviously 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.440 I know certain things, so we sort of have to 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.800 pretend I'm more draft than usual. Yeah, but like, how 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:37.959 does this opportunity to be on goggle Box come about? 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:41.200 Well, there'd been two seasons already, and I remember seeing 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:44.880 the ads on Telly and just thinking, what is this 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.560 new show? This looks so bad, And I think the 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.720 rest of Australia was thinking the same thing. You know, 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.320 what have we succumbed to now? Like making a show 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.640 of people watching TV and listening to their opinions. It 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:03.080 sounds very superficial and horrendous. Yeah, it's the brand new 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:12.280 TV show about people watching TV. Gogle, goggle bops, goggle box. 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.800 What's the actual point of the show? Me watching someone 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.440 else watching television? Sounds a bit weird and it's something 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.480 I definitely well and will never like. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.560 They all say that at first, see what the critics 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:28.040 are raving about the brand new TV show about people 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:29.319 watching TV. 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.600 I watched the first two seasons, like not religiously, but 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:37.439 you know, I fell in love with Angie and ev 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:41.000 as the girls representing the women I fell in lovely 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.600 and Keith. I just thought, this is not a show 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.320 about people watching TV. This is a show about humans 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:50.280 and the way they interact and their voices and opinions 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.160 on real, big social issues that are happening not just 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.360 in Australia but in the world. And this is a 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:59.120 really cool way of showing that and really hearing what 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.240 people all the thinking and talking about at home with 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.880 their people. And I was like, oh, that's awesome. And 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.680 then mom came home from work. She worked at Monash 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.760 Medical Center on the adolescent psychiatric wood and one of 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:13.920 the nurses there was like, oh, this new show goggle 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.360 Box is awesome, Like you'd be great on it, Kerry, 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.000 You're so expressive and you've got it a lot of opinions. 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:20.760 And she came home she was like, have you heard 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:22.400 of this show? And I was like, yeah, yeah, it's good. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.160 And I just had a baby, and you know, I 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.320 was kind of like I want to do something, but 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.240 I really can't. Can't go back to working full time. 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.920 It's just too stressful. I had a think he was 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.680 twelve months old or yeah, very he was still a baby, 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:41.160 and yeah. I just looked at the application form online 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.760 and was like four questions, easy, peasy, bang did the submission. 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.720 I was like three generations of women having a chat 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.760 on the couch. There we go, submitted it. Never in 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.040 a million years thought i'd get a phone call like 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:57.599 the next day going can you guys get together tomorrow 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:59.840 so we can meet you? And I was like oh, 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.920 and they're like, yeah, we start filming next week, so 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.920 they left their casting like to the very last minute. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.760 I think we're up against another family who didn't get in, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:12.240 so they really had to make the decision real quick. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:13.960 I think the good thing for you, though, and what 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.200 people might not realize, is that you have the trifecta, 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.080 as in, you're well written, you speak well, and you 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.880 look good for camera. I mean, that's that's debatable. 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.640 Some days, some nights I do not look good for camera. 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.760 I mean, have you seen those close subs, Benjamin. 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.440 I've seen us in all kinds of states throughout the 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.440 twenty years of friendship, and I think you've always looked 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.360 like you know, I think you're This is going to 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.440 sound strange, but I think you've always come across like 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.720 a character in lots of ways. I mean, it's just 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.079 genuinely who you are. But I think if anyone was 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.760 going to read something, and we'll get into your writing later, 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:47.839 but you know, you're very well written. So I mean 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.840 for an application process, that's just one step. But you know, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.160 then you've got to be able to speak on camera, 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.000 and then you kind of have to look the part 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:59.079 as well, and you represent something in the zeitgeist now 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:03.040 of you know, the everyday Australian daughter, you know, and 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.280 so you kind of have to fit that mold and 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:07.480 you have and you do that really well. 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:11.680 But what's interesting, I think as the seasons have continued, 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:15.199 never ending, is that you kind of go on the 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.839 journey with the show and with the we'll call them 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:21.199 characters or cast members as they develop, you know. And 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.040 I've I was married when I was first on there, 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:28.720 I went through a divorce, you know, lost animals, got remarried, 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:33.000 got remarried, black, like lots of different life events that 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.680 everyone kind of goes through. And so if you've watched 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.400 it over the years, yeah, yeah, you're on that journey 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.640 with like the single Isabelle like perving on all the 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.360 boys and then oh no she's getting married. Oh no, 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.080 she's been a bit more sensible. Ah, you know she 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.560 looks a bit down at the moment. That's because I had, yeah, 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:52.880 mental health issues going on. And yeah, yeah, you just 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.960 it's a what's an all sort of show, like yeah. 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.520 It's unfiltered, Yeah, totally. I think if you were to 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.040 be somebody who who was trying to project something, it 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.679 wouldn't work. But then also we know, like producers edit 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.000 that kind of stuff out. Good question to ask you 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.400 is how did all of your friends and sort of 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:14.000 family I always think of saying family friends because my 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:16.680 entire friendship with you, you're always like, sorry, I can't 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.440 come to that. I've got a family friend's engagement. You 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.880 have so many fucking family friends. Then how did all 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.920 of they respond to the sudden fame for you? 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.720 Like a lot of them might say, I'd say eighty 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.560 percent of my people were really supportive, but just a 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:38.120 bit shocked that. I don't know that people would find 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.800 what I have to say interesting. I think, to your 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:44.960 own people, you're not that interesting. You're just you, And 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:48.679 so they go, oh, why are you now on this show? 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.880 And why do people want to watch that, which is 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:55.160 a little bit I don't know, it's questionable. But at 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.640 the same time they were like, no, that's awesome, Like 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.080 if people love you as much as we do, then great. 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.360 But I think it has they've adjusted over the years 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.840 of you know what, you know very well what it's like, 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:08.920 You've just one big brother. You come out, everyone wants 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:10.559 a piece of you, they want a photo with you, 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:12.960 they want to talk to you, and you know, we 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:13.880 I do get. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.240 Approached all the time. 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.120 All the time, well, you know, sometimes not. 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.960 But if we're at a bug it easily. 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.120 I think people more smile and walk past and just 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.280 give me a bit of a nod. They don't know telling. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:26.680 About the ones that come up and talk to you. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:30.760 Everyone's already watching. Everyone's already and you kind of forget 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.400 that everyone's doing that. And I think the reason why 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.160 I asked you that question is I think we've both 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.760 been in those situations where you're having a really in 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.400 depth personal conversation and we click in when we're talking 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:45.040 to our friends, we're like wholeheartedly in the conversation, and 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.720 so it was really disruptive for some of our friends 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.400 to have that conversation broken, to have something so strange 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:57.000 as someone coming over and saying I love you from 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.960 goggle Box. And then you're like, like, I remember once 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.480 being on Chapel Street and I was with someone who 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.720 was crying because they were talking about something extremely serious 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.440 and I'm not appropriate. I feel like you're like, look, 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.880 thank you, but can you please Yeah. 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.960 Well, especially when you're not in a good state either, 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.600 like I've been in arguments with my husband or arguments 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.000 with my mum and then people want to come and 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.080 be like I love your family. I'm like, well right 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:27.000 now I'm about to fucking kill us, So do you 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:27.720 really love us? 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.760 What's been the highlight from this whole goggle Box experience 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.400 thus far? Now we're going to talk about the book 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:36.840 coming up, so we're going to talk about your mom 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.920 and em but like, what's been your favorite moment? There 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.240 must be something that you've watched on screen and been like, wow, 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:48.080 that's you know, that's really cutting through or I'm really 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.920 proud of myself, which we're told we're not supposed to be. 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.880 By the way, well, stuff that I don't believe in 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.600 tall poppy syndrome. I think Australia needs to get over it. 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:03.040 I really loved watching a few of the episodes where 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.560 and I just I think credit to the way goggle 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.280 Box is put together, the way it's edited and the 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:14.720 producing behind you know, how it's how it's made is 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:20.320 really clever and maybe not many people realize what's happening 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.080 when they're watching it, but the journey that you go on, 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:27.120 like laughing and crying and sort of making fun of 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.120 something like maths. But then we'll go into something like 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:34.600 a documentary about refugees or something in Australia and get 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:38.720 a really interesting insight that we might not otherwise have had. 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:44.120 And I get super proud of myself and my family 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.440 when we just we just say something that makes people 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:52.200 think a bit differently, like it might be. I remember 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.800 there was a pod we call them pods, the little 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.880 sections where we're watching a dot go on refugees and 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.200 how we've been treating them and the politicians, you know, 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.600 reactions and what they were doing about it. And my 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.840 grandma was just like, oh my god, this is like 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.480 a concentration camp. This is as bad as like is 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.800 this really what we're doing in Australia And just questioned 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.600 like is this okay with everyone? Like what's going on? 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:24.400 And it finished just on her quote, and I thought, wow, like, because. 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.720 You know, people are going to turn off, turn away, 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.040 and whoever they're sitting next to, they're going to continue 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.240 that conversation which they may not have. And then also 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.800 the people still watching a lot of freedoware television. They 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:41.760 are middle class Australians who may not be watching all 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:43.080 the news jams, do you know what I mean? 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.640 Or if a certain type of media which is feeding 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.960 one type of message. But also, you know, I'm really 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.720 passionate about the relationship between Emmy and I and Mum, 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:57.600 and you know, there was a section We've watched old 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.280 People's Homes for five year olds a few times, and 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.000 you know, just a reminder to people out there that, 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.800 you know, don't forget our old people, you know, especially 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.760 during COVID and lockdowns and people getting older, people getting 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:12.560 really bad depression. You know, it's up to our generation 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.720 and the younger ones to sort of check in, make 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.800 that phone call, go and visit them in their home, 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.200 go and see, you know, bring them some flowers and 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.640 go and have like and interact and have a great 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.680 conversation because these people are not dead. They're our family, 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:28.160 and we should, you know, really respect them a lot 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.000 more than I reckon as a whole community, we really 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:37.480 do undervalue the older people. Meeting the children is a 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.520 very important thing to meet because I don't see enough 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:42.919 of my own. You know, we light up when you 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:43.840 see my son. 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.960 Yeah, baking biscuits and put it on the tray, everybody. 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:49.240 I love watching him do that. 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.480 Yeah. I remember there was we're watching that and I 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.679 just took Emmy's hand. I was like, you know, I 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.359 love you so much and she's like, thanks for just 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:01.080 being here for me. 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:03.600 How weird though, that so many of us will shuffle 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:07.800 off the elderly, most vulnerable into a home and Emmy's 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.199 what ninety three and onty four and like, you know, 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:14.080 she's still living with your mum and she's still so vibrant. 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.359 And that has a lot to do with you. 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.320 It's a lot to do with the social interaction, and 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:24.200 that's been proven scientifically. We need connection and we need 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.479 to be speaking to people looking at faces. That is 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.320 the key to you know, to happiness really and living 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:32.439 longer and more healthy. 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.679 You know, that show makes me cry every time. What 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:39.240 has really impressed me, and this does not happen for 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:43.800 everyone that is on television, is being able to draw 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.919 a line of communication from who they are on a 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:50.280 show to social media. And I don't know how you've 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:52.280 been able to do that, but you've really been able 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:57.040 to create this very specific voice which absolutely is who 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.120 you are, and it's you in a conversation with friends, 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:03.240 you being having a first for knowledge. It's you being 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.320 so blatantly raw that sometimes people might turn away and 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.879 go too that's too much information. But what drives you 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.600 to be able to share your story with that following, 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:14.639 like what drives you for that? 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:20.119 I think at the start it was really taking the 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:24.960 platform I've been given seriously, and really it took a while, 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.359 talk about a year to sort of realize that this 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:30.760