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Speaker 1: Are you a lolly fan, do you eat lollies regularly?

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Speaker 1: Or have you seen or enjoyed the growing range of

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Speaker 1: low sugar, healthier lollies. On today's episode of The Nutrition Couch,

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Speaker 1: we take a closer look at healthy lollies and discuss

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Speaker 1: whether or not we think they really are a better choice.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Susie Burrow and I'm Leanne Wood.

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Speaker 1: And together we bring you The Nutrition Couch, the weekly

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Speaker 1: podcast that keeps you up to date on everything you

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Speaker 1: need to know in the world of nutrition. As well

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Speaker 1: as lollies. We have some new research that takes a

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Speaker 1: closer look at body composition and neurological functions. Lean has

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Speaker 1: found some very interesting preprepared veggies to review, and our

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Speaker 1: listener question is all about lower carb breads. So to

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Speaker 1: kick us off before we launch into all things confection earlier,

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Speaker 1: which I'm sure most of lismers are most interested in.

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Speaker 1: We've got some interesting new data on body composition, haven't

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Speaker 1: we that you found online, which is a pretty strong

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Speaker 1: message I think about weight and health in general.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there was a new study. It is

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Speaker 2: It's it's January twenty six and it was published in

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Speaker 2: the Journal of radiology, and it basically describes an association

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Speaker 2: between body fat distribution patterns with cognitive and brain and

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Speaker 2: neurological diseases. So it is something where you know, I

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Speaker 2: particularly am very very interested in brain health and cognition.

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Speaker 2: I've got dementia Alzheimer's on both sides of my family.

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Speaker 2: So whenever I see something that I think, oh, this

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Speaker 2: might be helpful or our listeners would be interested in,

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Speaker 2: we of course want to bring it to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: And we love new studies as well, even if they're

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Speaker 2: a big smaller. This one was quite big though. This

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Speaker 2: had twenty nearly twenty six thousand participants of the mean

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Speaker 2: half thousand being female, So it's quite an interesting study.

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Speaker 2: And it basically looked at body fat in brain health,

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Speaker 2: but not just about how much body fat you have,

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Speaker 2: but where it's actually stored on your body. And we've

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Speaker 2: talked before on the podcast about you know, when your

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Speaker 2: at higher risk of things like chronic diseases, metabolic diseases.

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Speaker 2: But I I thought this was a really nice study

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Speaker 2: that actually showed that same association with body fat distribution

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Speaker 2: on cognitive health as well. So in the research study,

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Speaker 2: researchers used MRI scans and they really took a detailed

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Speaker 2: look at body fat distribution patterns in the body. So

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Speaker 2: they looked at things such as where your liver fat was,

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Speaker 2: how much pancreatic fat you had, how much visceral fat

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Speaker 2: find it really interesting because we've known for a long

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Speaker 2: time now that it's not just about your weight, it's

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Speaker 2: not just about your BMI. That alone doesn't tell the

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Speaker 2: that because someone's BMI is twenty eight, it automatically makes

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Speaker 2: them unhealthy or puts them automatically at a higher risk

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Speaker 2: of disease. So studies like this are just really nice

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Speaker 2: And in this study in particular, there were two body

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Speaker 2: think it's just really important to It just kind of

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Speaker 1: And I mentioned to you off air, I'm seeing a

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Speaker 1: So I liked it all right, slowly, easily. Anne and

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Speaker 1: a conundrum because every time I walk into lollies. I

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Speaker 1: Funday low sugar, low calorie lollies, and I've noticed that

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Speaker 1: like they have revolutionized a category of confectory in Australia beyond,

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Speaker 1: and I've been very successful. You know, it's really hard

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Speaker 1: haven't seen these in woolies yet, but they will come

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Speaker 1: in absolutely. And the slogans on them are no added sugar,

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Speaker 1: years they pass undigested through the digestive system. They're austrain made,

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Speaker 1: they're not low fat. And they've got a fair whack

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Speaker 1: not insignificant. Total carbo hydroate's nine point eight, so that

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Speaker 1: significantly less six point one grams of sugar or three

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Speaker 1: so cocoa butter, cocoa mass, cocoa powder, gelatine, So they're

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Speaker 1: not a vegan product. Maize start natural flavors, food acid,

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Speaker 1: strawberry powder and multipliers, glazing agents, natural colors, sweetners. So

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Speaker 1: to start up while say they're still an ultra processed food.

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Speaker 1: Am I telling people to buy them?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Do I tell people to buy lollies anytime? No? Because

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Speaker 2: You took that out of context.

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Speaker 1: Cake I just it was my dad's birthday yesterday actually,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, you're right. Like the cake we had

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Speaker 1: them fun day lollies? Probably? Not. If my kids were

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Speaker 1: hundred calories. Possibly, if I eat the chocolate cover bananas

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Speaker 1: their ultra processed. And the rule is the less ultra

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Speaker 2: I'm torn as well? Because are they a bad product?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Are they a good product? Also?

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Speaker 2: I've got a ton of my clients who eat these,

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Speaker 2: But my I guess rationale to them is I treat

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Speaker 2: It is not something I write into my meal plans

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Speaker 2: That's my opinion. As you said, it is an ultra

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Speaker 2: processed foods on the market. Yes, But the base of

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Speaker 2: it is soluble fiber. Sou you know, we're adding in

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Speaker 2: It's not like you're getting a ton of protein which

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Speaker 2: is going to support metabolic mass. You're not getting a

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Speaker 2: fiber out of fruits and vegetables and legumes. It's that

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Speaker 2: modified type of fiber. So they modify the nutritionals to

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Speaker 2: be better on paper, Yes, but my argument is not

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Speaker 2: one of those ingredients soluble fiber from tapioca stars, chicken

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Speaker 2: glazing agents, natural color, not one of those things is

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Speaker 2: needed in somebody's diet. Therefore, I'm classifying this as a treat.

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Speaker 2: Is it a better option, probably, but it is still

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Speaker 2: a treat in my book, So I wouldn't say to

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Speaker 2: my client, sure, have one pack at every single day,

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Speaker 2: which is how a lot of people are using them,

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Is it a better option when you look at lollies, Yes,

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Speaker 2: but it's still not insignificant like it's one hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty calories of pack, and I think people forget that, Like,

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Speaker 2: that could be one hundred and thirty calories. If I

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Speaker 2: probably prefer I don't know, my little Snicker's ice cream

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Speaker 2: but I think like if you love it and that's

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Speaker 2: oh my goodness, this belongs to my soul food list,

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Speaker 2: I don't have a problem with it. But I think

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Speaker 2: as you know, just a couple of lollies or a

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Speaker 2: I don't recommend it, but I wouldn't not recommend it

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Speaker 2: but for me, it still belongs on a soul foodless

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Speaker 2: whether or not you choose to eat it. That's probably

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Speaker 2: my bottom line, Like not one of those ingredients I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think that was my point on it.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was worth a discussion because yeah, they

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Speaker 1: Lollies in general are hideously expensive compared to what they

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Speaker 1: something you can consume unlimited. I think occasionally like lollies

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Speaker 2: No one's buying a packet to enjoy over the course

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Speaker 1: And what's and some people feel have high levels of

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Speaker 2: Not you and I when it comes to a packet

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Speaker 2: Can almost guarantee you that that packet's going in one sitting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, fair enough. All right, Well, I think that's

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Speaker 2: Think it's a great product. I certainly wouldn't buy it

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Speaker 2: fussy kids, or even fussy adults. You know, I just

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Speaker 2: think it's a great product. It'd have a really really

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Speaker 2: long shelf flas sick can sit in your pantry for

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Speaker 2: a few months, no problem. And it just means that

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Speaker 2: you can get a few extra additions to your diet.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I've got clients who hate cutting up onion.

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Speaker 2: They won't use onion because they just hate cutting it up.

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Speaker 2: So I think this is a good option because onions

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Speaker 2: a great natural pre botty. I really love my clients

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Speaker 2: to use a lot of onion and garlic in their

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Speaker 2: diet because it's great for their gut health. So if

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Speaker 2: you someone that really struggles, you know, with the tears

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Speaker 2: cutting up onion, this can be an excellent addition. They've

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Speaker 2: also got things like tin dena, Marmae beans and just

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Speaker 2: diced onion, like a whole can of diced onion as well,

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Speaker 2: So I really like it. I think it's a strong product.

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Speaker 2: Only what it's half priced. I wouldn't pay four forty

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Speaker 2: for a tin, but I think having a few tins

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Speaker 2: of them in the pantry is going to help boost

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Speaker 2: up the vegetable volume for a meal When we know

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Speaker 2: that ninety six percent of Australians don't eat enough vegetables.

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Speaker 2: I think any way that we can make it easier

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Speaker 2: to consume more vegetables is a witting way in my books.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, true, true, And I think it's a time for

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Speaker 1: a plug for our favorite came up Pully. So five

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Speaker 1: and it dices the onion and celery is so good.

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Speaker 1: I use it daily. I love it. So if you

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Speaker 1: product for you, so keep an eye up for that too.

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Speaker 2: And there's also a lot of frozen there's chopped frozen

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Speaker 2: onion in the freezer section as well, which is a

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Speaker 2: really good option if you don't if you don't like

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Speaker 1: Dollar came up Pully True too, True, all right ly,

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Speaker 1: and a listener question for us, and this I think

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Speaker 1: covers several things. This was one of our listener questions

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Speaker 1: I pull them all from there before we report, So

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Speaker 1: keep sending them through. And this was a question about

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Speaker 1: the Audi range of lower carb breads, which is a

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Speaker 1: reasonable question because what I'll say to start the segment

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Speaker 1: lower carb breads, there's a whole range of them. It's

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Speaker 1: really quite confusing. And the list of question was is

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Speaker 1: the Audi lower carb one the same better than normal supermarket?

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Speaker 1: And what I'll say to kick us off, and I'll

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Speaker 1: let Leanne talk about this next so she could have

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Speaker 1: a go walking, is that any product you see in

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Speaker 1: Aldi is likely to be in mainstream supermarket because there's

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Speaker 1: not forty five bread manufacturers in Australia, there's two or three,

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Speaker 1: so they'll be making the same ones for Audi, which

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Speaker 1: is why when you look at the nutritionals, they're identically,

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Speaker 1: if not very similar. So whether it's the Audi high

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Speaker 1: protein low carb, whether it is the Bergen lookalike, or

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Speaker 1: whether it's this one which is a lower carb white,

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Speaker 1: it will be also found in coals or woolies or

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Speaker 1: even both. So it's not a quality thing that there

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Speaker 1: will be very similar nutritionally, it's often the same thing.

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Speaker 1: So that's the first point.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think to me, the question read is the

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Speaker 2: Audi baker's life low carb white bread as good as

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Speaker 2: the low carbreads we normally talk about. And my answer

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Speaker 2: is no, because the low carbreads we normally reference are

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Speaker 2: very high in fiber and whole grains and seeds and fats,

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Speaker 2: whereas this is a very refined, ultra process white bread.

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Speaker 2: Like it is basically just white bread with refined white

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Speaker 2: flower and what other ingredients we have wheat flour, water,

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Speaker 2: wheat protein, wheat gluten, wheat starch, wheat fiber. If your Celiac,

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Speaker 2: do not touch this product. Used to idiz salt, white vinegar,

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Speaker 2: vegetable oil, and soy flour and a multi three different

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Speaker 2: types of emulsifiers. It is a heavily heavily processed product.

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Speaker 2: So now I don't believe that it is as strong

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Speaker 2: as the other low carbreads on the market where you

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Speaker 2: can visibly see some seeds and some grains in some

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Speaker 2: fats within that bread. I think that those lower car products,

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Speaker 2: although they are still technically ultra process, are far better

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Speaker 2: off nutritionally than this lower car white bread. The thing

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Speaker 2: that gets me is that it's got five hellstars and

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Speaker 2: literally the tinner vegetables we just reviewed only had four.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yo, So an issue with the helsating. But

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Speaker 2: anyway or the context of the health Star rating, I guess,

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Speaker 2: or how it's perceived, Like I understand that it's a

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Speaker 2: different category, but I would never This is a pure

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Speaker 2: example where a brand or a company is manipulating the

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Speaker 2: macronutrient profile to gain as many stars as possible. But

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you couldn't pay me

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Speaker 2: to promote a white lower carb bread. You could not

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Speaker 2: pay me to do that. This is not a good product.

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Speaker 2: It would never recommend it. Hey, if you had a

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Speaker 2: fussy child that had issues with eating or you know,

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Speaker 2: high level autism, and this white bread it had to

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Speaker 2: be Is this slightly better than normal white bread? Maybe?

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Speaker 2: Maybe not. I don't think that children need a lower

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Speaker 2: car bread. I think it's very similar to just a

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Speaker 2: normal white bread, if not even more processed. You know.

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Speaker 2: I think there's other ways to lower carbohydrate in the

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Speaker 2: diet than adding in a heavily processed, low carb white bread.

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Speaker 2: So that's just my feelings. I don't love it. I'd

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Speaker 2: never recommend it. I think, you know, carb wires two slices,

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Speaker 2: there's seventeen grams, so like it's certainly not in line

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Speaker 2: with a kidogenic diet or anything like that. And it's

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Speaker 2: still got a lot more carbohydrate than the denser lower

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Speaker 2: carbreads that we that I prefer, with a lot more

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Speaker 2: protein in it too, But you know, one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty calories for two slices, nine grams of protein, three

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Speaker 2: grams of fat, seventeen grams of carbs, and a whopping

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Speaker 2: eleven grams of five But that's all. That modified type

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Speaker 2: of fiber is not actually coming from any whole grains.

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Speaker 2: It's just all the wheat flowers and wheat proteins, a

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Speaker 2: week gluten, wheat starch, the whak fiber, a lot of

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Speaker 2: wheat in there. So to me, no, I wouldn't buy it.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't recommend it. I don't really think it has

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Speaker 2: a place in an adult diet, but if it's your thing,

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Speaker 2: go through it. I think the lower car breads there

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Speaker 2: are better ones on the market, even at aldi. That's

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Speaker 2: my opinion.

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Speaker 1: If a bread doesn't have grains in it, we don't

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Speaker 1: like it, So that's a goal. I think these lower

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Speaker 1: carb white ones that are marketed quite heavily a they're

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Speaker 1: sort of fussy kids or high fiber. You know, in general,

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Speaker 1: they are like alter processed and don't offer the benefits.

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Speaker 1: So the only lower car bread off the top of

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Speaker 1: my head I like is say, I think Helgers have

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Speaker 1: got a couple of lower carb dense grain options. They're

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Speaker 1: the only ones I ever use. But to be honest,

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Speaker 1: a dense grain bread like a bergen or a cake

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Speaker 1: seats on Baker's July has got very controlled amounts of

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Speaker 1: carbs anyway, because the cubs reducing because you' getting more

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Speaker 1: good fats and protein from the grains, so that automatically

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Speaker 1: makes it a lot of carb actually an interest, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree, all right, lean, Well, that brings us the

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Speaker 2: Thanks for those things,