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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now is the opposition

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Speaker 1: leader Leofanocchiaro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Leah, Good morning Katie, and good morning to

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, a terrible incident in the city overnight. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if you've heard in local news, but a

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Speaker 1: thirty seven year old man's being chased and assaulted. The

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Speaker 1: victim was driving down Peel Straight when he was hit

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Speaker 3: He parked his car.

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Speaker 1: Before being assaulted by a group of young males in

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Speaker 1: the vehicle. The man attempted to flee by entering into

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Speaker 1: a nearby hotel, where he was struck in the head

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Speaker 1: with a weapon by the offenders. Hotel security had to

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Speaker 1: intervene before the group fled the scene. It's understood that

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Speaker 1: the man and the group of people were not known

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Speaker 1: to each other. Are you concerned about this type of

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Speaker 2: Oh, Katie, this is just horrific and certainly my thoughts

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Speaker 2: stories we're hearing are getting worse and worse. The government

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Speaker 2: continues to bury its head in the sand like this

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Speaker 2: is just a normal part of living in the Territory. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's not normal, it's not acceptable. People don't feel safe

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Speaker 2: and something's got to be done about this, and it's

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Speaker 3: It is, there's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: And we will let our listeners know as soon as

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Speaker 1: we've got some detail on those offenders. So if they've

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Speaker 1: they'll be able to do so. Now. There has been

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Speaker 1: a lot of commentary in recent days following the release

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Speaker 1: of footage by the ABC which shows Northern Territory police

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Speaker 1: officers allegedly manhandling and threatening a group of youths. The

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Speaker 1: incident happened at the Alla Springs Watchhouse during an arrest

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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. Leah, what was your reaction when you

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Speaker 1: saw this vision?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, when I look at the detail, obviously

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Speaker 2: an historical matter and it's been dealt with by the authority.

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Speaker 1: The Royal Commissioner, one of them, Mick Gooder, and other

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Speaker 3: Do you think that should happen.

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Speaker 2: I think this has been dealt with in the appropriate

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Speaker 2: way and that's exactly what should have happened. It's run

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Speaker 2: its course, it's historical and that's the end of the matter.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, our police are out there doing

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Speaker 1: The Police Association slammed the ABC who obtained and published

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Speaker 1: the footage, describing it as manipulated footage. Do you think

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's obviously a snapshot in time, and

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Speaker 2: it probably by the appropriate authorities, and you know, the

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Speaker 2: of those appropriate channels that anyone would expect and ultimately

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Speaker 2: you know, as I said earlier, I can't thank our

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's ironic that you know that when

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Speaker 1: the Police Commissioner to condemn the vision. But when we

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Speaker 2: Well, you know that vision was horrific of the girl

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Speaker 2: What we need is a government to show leadership to

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Speaker 1: Lea, do you feel as though our justice system and

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Speaker 2: That's absolutely our position, and we have always consistently said that,

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Speaker 2: nothing has been done by government to progress any of that.

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Speaker 2: It's all just bluff and bluster and spin to try

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Speaker 3: Leah, let's move along.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday, the Health Minister apologized on this show following the

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Speaker 3: Do you think it's money well spent?

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Speaker 2: It is definitely not money well spent. I think everyone

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Speaker 2: I mean, this just goes to the core of wasteless spending.

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Speaker 2: You know, now we've got the five thousand dollars Christmas tree.

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Speaker 2: and yet it's little wonder we have an eight point

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Speaker 3: Lea yesterday you issued a pressure release.

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Speaker 1: Following the release I understand of the Order to General's

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Speaker 1: that the Gunner Labor government spent months dodging calls from

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Speaker 1: response to mounting pressure, the government, well, they put together

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Speaker 1: I guess what you're calling a farcical scrutiny process and

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Speaker 3: Why do you say that, Look.

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Speaker 2: This process was flawed right from the start. We called

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Speaker 2: And now the Order the General's had to look at

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Speaker 1: Leah a text from one of our listeners back relating

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Speaker 1: it says the opposition leader making lots of good points,

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Speaker 1: And as we know the CLP was in power, then

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Speaker 2: No, so there was CLP called for the Royal Commission,

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Speaker 1: So you wouldn't have you wouldn't have accepted the findings

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Speaker 2: Well, there are plenty of recommendations in the Royal Commission

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Speaker 2: what's even scarier is that the government isn't monitoring the

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Speaker 2: whether or not that's what's driving a surge in US

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Speaker 2: January and we'll certainly be combing over those and letting

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Speaker 2: clearly something's not working and the Gunner government has not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is certainly something not working at this point.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's something we talk about on this show

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Speaker 1: daily Lea. Just finally this morning, I know that yesterday

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Speaker 2: I'll see you what, Katie. I laughed, because if you

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Speaker 2: don't laugh, you cry over this. It has just been

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Speaker 2: such a joke from day one. We've had a government

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Speaker 2: intervene for the last four years in this Dan Murphy's

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Speaker 2: liquor application process. They've obstructed the process, they've created new laws,

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Speaker 2: they've created a liquor Commission, They've come in and out

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Speaker 2: of the Parliament changing the laws, repealing laws, you know,

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Speaker 2: and then that extraordinary step we saw a couple of

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Speaker 2: sittings ago where they changed the law again to allow

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Speaker 2: the Director of Licensing to make a final decision on

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Speaker 2: Dan Murphy's without any due process, without any natural justice,

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Speaker 2: without having to consider submissions around the application of those

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Speaker 2: four liquor outlets. I mean, it's just been an absolute

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Speaker 2: joke from day one. The government should be ashamed of

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Speaker 2: the way they've intervened here, and it's just I mean,

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Speaker 2: the outcome is going to be the outcome now, and

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Speaker 2: we don't even know if when that outcomes delivered, that

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Speaker 2: people are going to be able to have access to

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Speaker 2: reasons for decisions. So this has just been a never

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Speaker 2: ending saga that looks like it's going to end in

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Speaker 2: a few days time.

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Speaker 1: Well, Lea Finocchiaro, the opposition lader, we are going to

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Speaker 1: have to leave it there.

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Speaker 3: Good to speak with you this morning. See you on

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Speaker 3: Friday for the year.

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Speaker 2: That was, See you Friday. Thanks Katie, Thank you.