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Speaker 1: And you may recall hearing from my next guest towards

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Speaker 1: He is now an Alice Springstown counselor, but he's also

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Speaker 1: the principal of the Yperigya School in Alice Springs. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Gavin.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners. Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so very much for your time. Now, Gavin,

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Speaker 1: as I just said, you and I have spoken throughout

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Speaker 2: The alcohol restrictions and the twenty seven odd million dollars investment,

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Speaker 1: Deavin, how have things been over the last couple of days.

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Speaker 2: There's some of these restrictions that come to address some

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Speaker 1: They must certainly use and Davin, if we can step

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Speaker 2: There's a very exciting opportunity at Yeperenia to case study

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Speaker 1: only about Alice, but some of the issues that we're

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Speaker 1: seeing with crime and alcohol issues everywhere, but certainly Alice

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Speaker 1: Springs has been thrust into the spotlight over the last

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Speaker 1: week or so.

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Speaker 2: This is a very resilient community, Katie. We've we've got

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Speaker 2: through some very strong Aboriginal leaders and elders in the space,

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Speaker 2: and we need to pull together as a community and

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Speaker 2: to ensure that we need to be honest with what's happening. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's no point sticking ahead in the sand. But we

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Speaker 2: also need to ensure that the narratives like let's identify

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Speaker 2: what the problem is and then focus more on the solutions.

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Speaker 2: A narrative of deficit and disorder it's just the vised community.

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Speaker 2: It does nothing in terms of moving forward and it

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Speaker 2: just creates divisions. So this is a really strong community

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Speaker 2: with the right people at the helm from a variety

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Speaker 2: of different level to ensure that we address the crisis

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Speaker 2: which is going on at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Well, Gavin Morris, Alice Springstown counselor, a councilor, Alderman, but

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Speaker 1: also the principal of course of you preing your school.

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Speaker 1: We always appreciate your time keeping contact and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you again very soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Cattie, thank you.