WEBVTT - Trump, Epstein and the new emails

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<v Speaker 1>Already and this this is the.

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<v Speaker 2>Daily This is the Daily.

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<v Speaker 3>Ohs oh, now it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>the fourteenth of November. I'm Sam Kazlowski.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Lucy Tussel.

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<v Speaker 1>More than twenty thousand pages of documents have been released

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<v Speaker 1>by US politicians revealing emails to and from Jeffrey Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>himself that suggest President Donald Trump knew about his abuse

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<v Speaker 1>of young women. It has led to Trump, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as other members of his administration, facing growing criticism about

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<v Speaker 1>how the White House has handled the Epstein files, with

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<v Speaker 1>some of Trump's own Republican supporters and members now calling

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<v Speaker 1>for more transparency. On today's podcast, Lucy and I are

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<v Speaker 1>going to break down what these emails actually say, why

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<v Speaker 1>they're causing division within the Republican Party, and what this

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<v Speaker 1>all means for Trump going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Sam, before we get into the new emails, the new data,

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<v Speaker 2>take me back to the start. Who is Jeffrey Epstein

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<v Speaker 2>and why are we still talking about him?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein was a wealthy businessman who was arrested in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen on federal sex trafficking charges. Investigators found that

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<v Speaker 1>he had been paying teenage girls money to perform sex acts,

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<v Speaker 1>and that he'd been doing so for many years. His

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<v Speaker 1>former girlfriend, Glene Maxwell, was charged with helping him abuse

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<v Speaker 1>these girls. Epstein died by suicide in his cell out

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<v Speaker 1>of federal jail in New York about a month after

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<v Speaker 1>he was arrested in twenty nineteen, and Maxwell, the former girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 1>was later convicted and is currently serving a twenty year

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<v Speaker 1>prison sentence for sex trafficking. But the reason this case

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<v Speaker 1>has never really gone away is because of who Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded himself with. So he was friends with presidents, with

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<v Speaker 1>royals or now former royals, billionaires, celebrities, really powerful people

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<v Speaker 1>from all around the world world. And there's always been

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<v Speaker 1>this one question surrounding Jeffrey Epstein. Did any of these

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<v Speaker 1>other powerful people know about or participate in his crimes?

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<v Speaker 2>And we believe current US President Donald Trump was one

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<v Speaker 2>of these connections, one of these powerful people in Epstein's orbit.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Yeah, it's one of those news stories that has

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<v Speaker 1>followed Trump around almost since he kind of went down

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<v Speaker 1>that escalator and started his aim at being president way

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<v Speaker 1>back in I think it was twenty fourteen. So Trump

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<v Speaker 1>said that he and Epstein were friends for about fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 1>starting in the eighties. There are many photographs of them

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<v Speaker 1>together at parties in New York throughout the nineties and

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<v Speaker 1>early two thousands. Trump even told New York Magazine in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two that Epstein was quote a terrific

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<v Speaker 1>guy who quote likes beautiful women as much as I do,

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<v Speaker 1>many of them on the younger side.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's a direct quote from Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and so Trump then says though that he had

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<v Speaker 1>a falling out with Epstein around two thousand and four

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<v Speaker 1>because Epstein was hiring spa attendance from his Marra A

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<v Speaker 1>Lago golf club. Trump has emphatically denied any involvement in

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<v Speaker 1>or knowledge of Epstein's sex trafficking operation.

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<v Speaker 2>So what has happened to bring all this back into

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<v Speaker 2>the headlines.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a committee of politicians called the House Oversight Committee,

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<v Speaker 1>which is basically a little investigative body made up of

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats and Republicans into the connections between Jeffrey Epstein and

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<v Speaker 1>any members of the US political establishment. And on Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>that committee released three emails from Epstein or to Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>that they say raise more serious questions about what Trump new.

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<v Speaker 1>So These emails were selected from thousands of documents obtained

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<v Speaker 1>by the committee from Epstein's state. It's commonly referred to

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<v Speaker 1>as the Epstein Files. I want to walk through each

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<v Speaker 1>of these emails because the details really matter here. So

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<v Speaker 1>the first email is from April of twenty eleven. So

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein wrote to Glen Maxwell and said, quote, I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to really that the dog that hasn't barked is Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>He then wrote that an unnamed victim quote spent hours

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<v Speaker 1>at my house with him, being Trump, he has never

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<v Speaker 1>once been mentioned.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans on the committee quickly identified this victim as Virginia Giffrey,

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<v Speaker 1>so the name was originally redacted, and then through kind

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<v Speaker 1>of politicians releasing other documents, it was Virginia Geffrey, who

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<v Speaker 1>died by suicide in April this year. Now, importantly, Geoffrey

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<v Speaker 1>has previously said in a twenty sixteen deposition that she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think Trump participated in anything illegal and that she

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<v Speaker 1>had never seen Trump participate in sexual abuse at Epstein's home.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this twenty eleven email from Epstein says Trump

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<v Speaker 2>spent time at his house with a victim. The victim

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<v Speaker 2>in question has separately said I never saw Trump do

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<v Speaker 2>anything wrong. Yeah, that's the implication from Republicans exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And the problem here is that there hasn't been any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of kind of proper legal process in interrogating the email.

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<v Speaker 1>Media can't verify the email. It's very hard to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of go anywhere further than what is in front of

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<v Speaker 1>us in this single a four page of an email,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a bit of attention, but it gives lots

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<v Speaker 1>of new lines of questioning for this committee. The second

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<v Speaker 1>email is from January twenty fifteen, so this is the

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<v Speaker 1>lead up to the twenty sixteen presidential election, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>an author, Michael Wolfe, who had a personal relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein. Michael Wolfe emails Epstein that CNN was planning

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<v Speaker 1>to ask Trump about the relationship between Trump and Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>in a televised presidential debate in the lead up to

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<v Speaker 1>that presidential election, which Trump then won. Epstein asked how

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<v Speaker 1>Trump should respond, and Wolfe basically advised him to let

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<v Speaker 1>Trump quote hang himself if he denied being close with Epstein,

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<v Speaker 1>because that would then give Jeffrey Epstein something to have

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of leverage over this future presidential candidate. And

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<v Speaker 1>so the third email then is from January twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>so Trump is president now, Epstein tells Wolfe the author again,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump said he asked me to resign, which is in

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<v Speaker 1>reference to Epstein's membership at the Marlago Golf Club, because

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<v Speaker 1>he asked Glaine to stop. That's a direct quote, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's a reference to Glaine Maxwell trying to recruit young

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<v Speaker 1>women who worked at the golf club for Epstein. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there's this really important bit. The email from

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein says, of course, he, being Trump knew about the girls.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's essentially Epstein himself alleging in an email that

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<v Speaker 1>Trump knew about the abuse, which is a claim that

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has denied.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of Trump, how has the White House responded to

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<v Speaker 2>these email drops?

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<v Speaker 1>So the White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt got on

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<v Speaker 1>the front foot. She said that they were quote, selectively

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<v Speaker 1>released emails meant to smear the president. She pointed to

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<v Speaker 1>Virginia Giffray's past statements about Trump, and this is what

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<v Speaker 1>she said.

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<v Speaker 3>The emails prove absolutely nothing other than the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump did nothing wrong. Miss Guffrey maintained and God

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<v Speaker 3>rest her soul that she maintained that there was nothing inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 3>She ever witnessed that President Trump was always extremely professional

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<v Speaker 3>and friendly to her, And so I think it's a

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<v Speaker 3>question worth asking the Democrat Party, and you should all

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<v Speaker 3>go ask them after this briefing of why they chose

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<v Speaker 3>to redact that name of a victim who has already

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<v Speaker 3>publicly made statements about her relationship with Jeffrey Epstein is

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<v Speaker 3>and is unfortunately no longer with us.

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<v Speaker 2>You also mentioned at the top of this episode that

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<v Speaker 2>this is causing problems within Trump's own party, and we

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<v Speaker 2>have briefly touched on this on the podcast in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>What's happening now?

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<v Speaker 1>So I think to understand the current state of the

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<v Speaker 1>Republican Party and their position on the Epstein files, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to go back to Trump's campaign. And in Trump's campaign,

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<v Speaker 1>he really pushed for the Epstein files to be released,

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<v Speaker 1>and the argument that he put to supporters was that

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<v Speaker 1>if there were these files released, a client list, a

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<v Speaker 1>list of who was on planes going to Epstein's island

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<v Speaker 1>that would include high profile Democrats and kind of expose

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<v Speaker 1>the corruption behind the scenes, and particularly people like Bill

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<v Speaker 1>and Hillary Clinton who used Epstein's services or allegedly used

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein services. This was a really major rallying point for

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<v Speaker 1>the core of his base. But then after he took office,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's Justice Department backtracked, and in July this year, the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI and the Attorney General said there wasn't a client

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<v Speaker 1>list and that no more files would be released because

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<v Speaker 1>there's no need to. But now with all of these

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<v Speaker 1>emails being released, with further speculation about Trump's involvement and

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with Epstein, there are four Republican members of Congress

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<v Speaker 1>who have signed a petition to force a House vote

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<v Speaker 1>on releasing all the Epstein files to the public.

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<v Speaker 2>When's that vote going to happen or what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>with that vote?

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<v Speaker 1>So if a majority of House members, So if two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighteen members of the House sign what's called

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<v Speaker 1>a discharge petition, it makes the Justice Department release documents.

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<v Speaker 1>So in this case, it would have to release the

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<v Speaker 1>full files on Jeffrey Epstein. And until very recently, the

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<v Speaker 1>petition was one signature short of two hundred and eighteen signatures,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the threshold it requires to force a vote.

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<v Speaker 1>There were two hundred and seventeen. There four Republicans and

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and thirteen Democrat signatures, but the House gained

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<v Speaker 1>one extra member yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>How'd that happen?

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<v Speaker 1>So on Wednesday, Speaker Mark Johnson finally swore in Representative

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<v Speaker 1>Adelita Grajalva, a Democrat from Arizona. She won a special

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<v Speaker 1>election seven weeks ago, so that can be an election

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<v Speaker 1>if a member steps down or retires. But Johnson had

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<v Speaker 1>refused to actually confirm her position during the government shutdown,

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<v Speaker 1>so Democrats said it actually wasn't the government shutdown, it

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<v Speaker 1>was her stance on the Epstein files that kept her out,

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<v Speaker 1>and sure enough, as her first act in office, she

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<v Speaker 1>actually signed the petition as the two hundred and eighteenth

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<v Speaker 1>and decisi signature.

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<v Speaker 2>So the petition has been signed, but a vote still

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<v Speaker 2>needs to happen, which Trump doesn't want to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Right exactly, And according to the New York Times, the

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<v Speaker 1>White House held a meeting in the Situation Room on

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<v Speaker 1>Wednesday with those four Republicans who had said that they

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<v Speaker 1>would vote for the files to be released. Yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>was the Attorney General, Pam Bondi and FBI Director Cash Patel.

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<v Speaker 1>They all gathered in the room to try and convince

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<v Speaker 1>them to remove their names from the petition, which I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you in a secon they actually can't do. But

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<v Speaker 1>then it's about probably the vote, and they want them

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<v Speaker 1>to not vote for the files to be released. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's significant that the meeting took place in

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<v Speaker 1>the Situation Room. I mean that's a room that's normally

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<v Speaker 1>reserved for high level crises, military operations. You know, taking

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<v Speaker 1>out Osama bin Laden is a classic example. So using

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<v Speaker 1>it for lobbying members of Congress about the Epstein files

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<v Speaker 1>does show how seriously the White House is taking this. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The one interesting point about the signature I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you about is, according to very nuanced, specific nerdy

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<v Speaker 1>rules of Congress, once you sign a petition of this nature,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't unsign it. So even if the member dies

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<v Speaker 1>or resigns, the signature stands. So you can assume that

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's lobbying was more about how they're going to vote

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<v Speaker 1>in this vote, rather than getting them to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>unsign something or withdraw their support.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, and now the vote is going to actually happen.

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<v Speaker 1>It is actually going to happen. The latest from Mike Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>the Speaker, says it could happen as early as next week.

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<v Speaker 1>But even if it does pass the House, it would

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<v Speaker 1>then probably fail in the Senate. And then even if

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<v Speaker 1>it passes the Senate, Trump would probably veto it. But

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<v Speaker 1>the political damage for Republicans of having to vote in

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<v Speaker 1>public on this bill, especially when they're under pressure from

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<v Speaker 1>their own constituents. They just had a very bad showing

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<v Speaker 1>in the special elections, including in New York and New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>in Virginia. It's bad timing. And Trump has been very

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<v Speaker 1>angry about this. He posted on truth Social that quote,

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<v Speaker 1>only a very bad or stupid Republican would fall into

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<v Speaker 1>the trap of supporting the Epstein files release. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>calling it a democratic distraction.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are still his own supporters pushing for this to.

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<v Speaker 1>Happen, right, Yeah. And take one of the four Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>is Marjorie Taylor Green, for example, who is known for

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<v Speaker 1>being a very rusted on maga, you know, quite extreme

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<v Speaker 1>in some of her view's supporter of Trump. She's advocating

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<v Speaker 1>for the release of the files, and she's got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of influence over the kind of Republican base in America.

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<v Speaker 1>And it does look like Trump is caught between This

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<v Speaker 1>campaign promised to expose corruption and the reality that with

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<v Speaker 1>every disclosure there's more damage being done to him personally.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned there'll be a vote next week before that

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<v Speaker 2>has to happen. The government has now in the last

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four hours, yeah, voted to reopen for government.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do we go from here?

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a bit of a backlog of work now

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<v Speaker 1>that the government has officially reopened. But I think that

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<v Speaker 1>the Epstein discussion is going to be really high on

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<v Speaker 1>the agenda.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for explaining all of that, Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very meaty topic with a lot of background

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<v Speaker 2>to cover.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean we say this a bit, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>no more true than right now. This is only the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, somehow, yes, and we will be keeping a very

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<v Speaker 2>close eye on it. Thank you so much for joining

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<v Speaker 2>us today on the Daily Oz. We will be back

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<v Speaker 2>this afternoon with the headlines. Until then, have a great day.

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