1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Here at Two Good Sports, we would like to acknowledge 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of the land on which we record 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: this podcast. The werengerie people. This land was never seated, 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: always was always will be. Hello, Hello, bonjour, Dare I 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: say welcome bien venue to two Good Sports Sports And 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: he's told differently, I'm Georgie Turney. 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: I would try my French, but I'd be really found 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: out for my lack of attention in year nine. 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 3: Hello George, how are you? 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: I am so so good, And yes I've added a 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: little bit of French flavor because we are going to 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: be talking about the Olympic Games. 13 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: It's really in contrast to the fact that you're wearing 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: a Morons guernsey. 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 3: You're a woman of many interests. 16 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: Jeremy, thank you so much for pointing out my incredible 17 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: fashion choice today. It does lead into my good sport 18 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: bad sport for today. And I'm just going to clear 19 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: the desk for a moment and just step at top 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: the platform that I've built for myself, because soapbox is already, 21 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: clapbox is ready, because I am ready to give a 22 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: fair whack to men that I considered giants when I 23 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: was growing up watching my favorite game being rugby League. 24 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 4: The State of Origin has happened. 25 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: Game one, Queensland the victors, but a lot of the commentators, 26 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: a lot of former players, a lot of the coaching 27 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: staff that we saw. 28 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 4: I really have a very, very very big issue with them. 29 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: In the opening eight minutes of the State of Origin game, 30 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: Reese Walsh, who yes, I hold my hands up, he's 31 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: one of my favorites. I know, he was absolutely pole axed, 32 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: pole axed in the opening minutes by Joseph sula Ee 33 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: And can I just say that this is not the 34 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: advertisement that you want for rugby League. Joseph sually E 35 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: was sent off and then I tell you what these 36 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: giants are the game that I have looked up to, 37 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: bent over backwards. 38 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 4: To try and be like not to send off a bulletins. 39 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: Reese Walsh was unconscious on the ground after getting a 40 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: shoulder to the face, and they were trying to be like, 41 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's Origin. Maybe in Clubland that's a sendoff, 42 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: but in Origin, please it's twenty twenty four. 43 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 4: Grow up, get over it. It's a sendoff. I send off. 44 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: Begin to tell you how darring it is as someone who, 45 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: let's be honest, watches Rugby League only for origin, which 46 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: is a lot of the AFL sort of audience, of 47 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: which concussion is a massive topic in the AFL. At 48 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 2: the moment you watch again inside the opening ten minutes, 49 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 2: and the reaction online is like, if he did that 50 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: in AFL, he'd get fifty to life. 51 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 3: Yes, oh, who's the best. We love him. 52 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: Yes, he has the actual accurate analysis that was necessary 53 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: for this game. Rugby League pundits, hang your heads in shame. 54 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: This is all that. 55 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 5: You need, um, just watching the other code here, and 56 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 5: these guys wouldn't last a second in the AFL because 57 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 5: that action there, that would get your forty weeks in 58 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 5: bridge and that is not on. These guys are off 59 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 5: their heads, just a diving headshot. They wouldn't last around. 60 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 5: They're not well over there. 61 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 3: This is cooked it and it was really difficult to 62 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 3: watch and gratefully Reese Walsh got up. 63 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 4: Reese was fine. 64 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: Reese was fine, but it was deemed a Category one 65 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: head injury because he was unconscious on the ground for 66 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: some time before all the trainers got out to him. 67 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: He eventually passed his HIA, which is insane as well. 68 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 4: I'm like, what SOROWD. 69 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 3: Does that work. 70 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, So technically he would have been allowed back onto 71 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: the field, but because it was deemed. 72 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 4: A Category one head injury, he couldn't go back. 73 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: They would have taken to the hospital. 74 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 4: For just to be sure, ambulance, air ambulance would be called. 75 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: And look, I really like Joseph Suwali. I think he 76 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: is an outstanding young talent. But you cannot you cannot 77 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: do that. And in the scope of everything that's happening 78 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,040 Speaker 1: right now, when it comes to discussions about concussion and 79 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: in every single code on this planet, to go in 80 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: not trying to make a tackle with your shoulder to 81 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: the head. It is a straight up send off. And 82 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: he's also likely going to be suspended for four matches 83 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: as well. So every single person that was like, oh, 84 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: it's a very big cal in the origin, this is crazy. 85 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 4: Get out, get out. The game doesn't want you. 86 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 3: Get out. 87 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: My favorite thing is Billy Slater in the postmatch, of course, 88 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 2: is the Morons coach being like, I'm just going to 89 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: keep my thoughts to myself, which. 90 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: Is really giving. 91 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 2: I'm fine fine, and you're like, oh you're not fine, baby, 92 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 2: You're sure you're not fine. 93 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 3: He's like, well, what did you think? Yes, which it 94 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: just was the ultimate. He'd never really said anything, but 95 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: I was like, oh he fuming would would be understandable 96 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: because he is he's a game winner, which he didn't 97 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: need him Moron's one anyway. 98 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: Look, I mean is it was always going to be 99 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: tough for New South Wales to come back with only 100 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: twelve men on the field for seventy minutes, and I've 101 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: got to say they were brave. But it's just one 102 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: of those things that Yes, of course, the word I 103 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: kept hearing was unfortunate, so unfortunate that this has happened 104 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: to the spectacle of the game. 105 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 4: So unfortunate, this is the thing. Ah, yeah, it is. 106 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: It's unfortunate that Reese Walsh was boll axed in the 107 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: first seven. 108 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 4: Minutes by an illegal tackle. 109 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,119 Speaker 3: Like h, So there's a bad sport. 110 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: I'm going to come in with a good sport and 111 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 2: changing goes to talk about something positive. But I am 112 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 2: going to give the good sports surprising no one to 113 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: nil Danaher and the Danaher family and everything that they 114 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: do for the Big Freeze. I think sometimes in sport 115 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: we talk about concussions, we talk about you know, sometimes 116 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: the things that make headlines are super negative and you 117 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 2: can forget just how unifying being part of the sports 118 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: community is. Yes, and the Big Freeze is really special. 119 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: And the fact that you are going to look out 120 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: over the mcg and just see a sea of blue 121 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: the beanies they're so warm, they're so warm this they're 122 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 2: almost too warm, which is a weird thing. 123 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 3: To say because it's acting at the moment in Melbourne, 124 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: but they've just done and there's kids ones now. But 125 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: it's more for someone in the face of the beast. 126 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: That is what Neil calls M and D to turn 127 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 2: it into what it's become, the tenth Big Freeze, and 128 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 2: it just is something that makes me immensely proud to 129 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: be part of the AFL community in any way. 130 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: Does it feel like longer than a year since I 131 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: last did it? Sure? Was it actually that cold? No? No, 132 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: surprisingly not that cold. 133 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: Because so for anyone that doesn't follow along the Big 134 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 1: Freeze game, there's a moment it's halftime, right, No pregame, Oh, pregame, pregame, 135 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: it's pregame where notable faces from around the country don 136 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,119 Speaker 1: their best attire and are sent down a freezing cold, 137 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: slippery dip. 138 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 4: Into an ice, ice, ice cold bath. You're saying, not 139 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 4: that cold? 140 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean did I go in basically head to 141 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 3: toe leather? You did? 142 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 4: You were dressed as Maleficent so. 143 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 3: That it was all like water repellent. 144 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: Sure was my head piece essentially at swim Cat so 145 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: my hair didn't get wet. Probably yes, but no, in 146 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: all seriousness, just a really special weekend and hopefully hopefully 147 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: we are steps closer to a cure. And again a 148 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: big shout out to beck down her My god, no 149 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 2: one works. 150 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 4: Other no one does. 151 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: She's and she's such a It's such a wonderful family 152 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: and all that they. 153 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: Do, four brothers. 154 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: It's it's incredible what they are doing, because I do 155 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: think that every single year, the awareness that is raised, 156 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: just purely awareness is incredible. There are so many people 157 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: now around Australia who would know what MND stands for disease, 158 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: and they may not have before this moment. So yes, 159 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: hats off, hats off to them. 160 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: That might be our strongest bad sport emotionally and our 161 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: strongest good sport. 162 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 4: I've deflated the so kay, I've deflated it. 163 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: Well. 164 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: I think there are some people in athletics that would 165 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: like to get back onto it, because our deep dive 166 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: this week is something that while it might have been 167 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: part of selection criteria for years in years gone by, 168 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: it has come to such an ugly head in the 169 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: women's marathon. And we are mere months out from the 170 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: Paris Games, and this is when we see the good 171 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: stories ramp up, particularly in track and field. Yes, because 172 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: they get one shot, one opportunity every four years to 173 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: make their impact. 174 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 4: But we need to know the faces that we're going 175 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 4: to support. 176 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, even though we have such a strong cohold of 177 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: women's marathons runners, they're making headlines for not necessarily all 178 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: the right reasons. And we're going to take you through 179 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: the deep dive and blow your mind. It's not just 180 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 2: the fastest runners that get to go to the. 181 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: Games, Jeremy. The Olympic Games fast approaching. They are a 182 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: blink away. 183 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: They really are. 184 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: And if I was a magical runner who could run 185 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: very very fast do incredible things, and I somehow had 186 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: run the third fastest time for my particular event and 187 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: that was all we needed. The third fastest time gets 188 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: you qualification through to the Games, I would think I'm 189 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: on my way. I am the top three runners in 190 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: this country. I've packed the bags, I have been looking 191 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: up all the places that I'm going to eat, all 192 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: of the pastries. 193 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 4: I am ready to go. 194 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: But you, jellmy are telling me that my dreams in 195 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: this magical world would be dashed. 196 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: There's a word called discretion that is used for Olympic qualification. 197 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: And particularly over the last couple of weeks in the 198 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: women's marathon, there have been headlines across the country about 199 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 2: the fact that it's not necessarily our three fastest runners, 200 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 2: or in this case it isn't that have been given 201 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: their ticket to Paris, and chaos and lawsuits and lawyers 202 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: have ensued, and understandably enough, but we want to start because, 203 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: as you said, they're magical. The pace at which they 204 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: can run a marathon is so impressive, and there's incredible 205 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: stories for the three women who have qualified, and we 206 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: want to start by celebrate them. 207 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: I think that what's key to note here, deal listener, 208 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: is that there is an argument that in this country 209 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: marathon running has never been at its strongest. 210 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: Especially in the women's competition. 211 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: We have such a deep pool, so much so that 212 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: six women have run underneath the qualification time that was 213 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: necessary to get to a games. However, we've only got 214 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: three spots. 215 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: Six doesn't go into three comfortably, and so there was 216 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: all this anticipation about who was going to get selected. 217 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: And some of these women are already household names, particularly 218 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: in track and field. So let me introduce you to 219 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: the three women who were selected. Shane Diver. Now, Georgie, 220 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: you said in a magical land where you would be 221 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: a runner, Well, Shane Diver started running at thirty three 222 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: years old. 223 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: I'm thirty three in one of the greatest stories. So essentially, 224 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 3: her sister invited her to the Tan to do a 225 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 3: fun run and she was like, you know what, I've 226 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 3: just had a baby. I'll get into fitness. She did 227 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 3: her first lap of the Tan in twelve minutes. Okay, 228 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 3: not bad for someone who's never trained. Just to give 229 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: you an idea, it was it. And then she did 230 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: her next lab and she's like, oh, I shaved forty 231 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 3: seconds off. That not bad. 232 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: So she decided to join a rum club. Again, we're 233 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: talking in her thirties and has had a baby and 234 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 2: everything else, and in that time a coach has gone, 235 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 2: g you're fast, You've got some skill sets here. Things 236 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: that would never happen to me, even magical land flash forward. 237 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: She is the Australian women's record holder in the marathon. 238 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: She was selected for Tokyo at forty four years old, 239 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: and before I harp on about her age and qualification, 240 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: about the fact that she will be forty seven in Paris, 241 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: this is a direct quote. I find it extremely frustrating 242 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: that a lot of media attention is mainly focused on 243 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: my age. Do you know who didn't listen Channel seven 244 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 2: when they were like the year she was born? This 245 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: was number one, because it just blows our mind that 246 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: you can find, especially track and field form so like. 247 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: But she is an incredible story. She has two children. 248 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: She is our fastest ever run in the marathon, and 249 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 3: during the qualification time ran the fastest time. 250 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: Yes, so in that qualification period, So to qualify for 251 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: the marathon, you have from I think it was like 252 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty two till early twenty twenty 253 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: four to post a time that fits underneath the two 254 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: hours twenty six minute mark, let's say, And she was 255 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: able to do that at the end of twenty twenty two. 256 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 4: So she is on the plane and she had the 257 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 4: fastest time, so she's off. 258 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: The second fastest time was Genevieve Gregson, a name that 259 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 2: is synonymous with sport because she is going to her 260 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: fourth consecutive Olympics. 261 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: Yes, and if you don't know Gregson, you may know 262 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: her as Genevieve Lacarz. 263 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: That was her maiden name, absolutely, and the Gregson name 264 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: is because her partner made the final. 265 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 3: Her partner Ryan made the final in the fifteen hundred 266 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 3: meters in Rio. So just like a very athletic family, she. 267 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: Used to compete and is the Australian record holder in 268 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 2: the steeple chase. 269 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: Yes, which is where I have to say I remember 270 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: her most four and I would say a lot of 271 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: our listeners would remember her because there was those really 272 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: heartbreaking scenes in Tokyo where she's running the steeple chase, 273 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: the final steeple I think it was the final one, 274 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: and she ruptured her achilles tendon on that final final jump, 275 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: landing on the track and just screaming. And he just 276 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: saw her there on the ground and I was like, 277 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: that is on the world stage to do that significant 278 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: injury in the biggest moment of your life. 279 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 4: Oh, it took my breath away. 280 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: Watching the steeple chase hurts my achilles, like the actual 281 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 2: event itself is wild. And I had the privilege of 282 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: chatting to Genevieve recently and I said, how did he 283 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: get into that? She's like, I trained in America and 284 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, well that probably okay, and She's like no 285 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: one else wanted to do it. 286 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, well, I'll have a crack. 287 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 3: But in that moment, she. 288 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: Thought my career might be over. Yes, my achilles is 289 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: giving way. Everything about this sport just isn't agreeing with 290 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: my body. Yeah, and steple chase is typically three thousand minutes. 291 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: And remember that Tokyo was actually in twenty twenty one, yeah, 292 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 2: not twenty two, so she hasn't had a four year 293 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: Olympic cycle to prepare for Paris. Took that time off 294 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: to have her first child and to rehab. Has then 295 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: thought I'll give the marathon a go. 296 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 297 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: Turns out she's good, and by good, I mean very 298 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: goddamn good. In that time of adopting a new sport 299 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: that goes for forty two kilometers, she's run the third 300 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: fastest ever Australian Maratha. 301 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: Visual thirty nine k's more than she was usually doing. 302 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: Is just such an inspiration and again is going to 303 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: her fourth Olympics, but has decided to pick up a 304 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: different and very very competitive discipline. Phenomenal, really really incredible story. 305 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: And then we get to our third qualifier. 306 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: As we can only have three, remember because we can 307 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: only harly have three. 308 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: Jess Stenson, who may ring a bell for the fact 309 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: that she won gold in Birmingham in the marathon. 310 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 4: So she Commonwealth Games. 311 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 2: She's a proven performer in the green and gold on 312 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: the big stage. She's heading to her second Olympics because 313 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: she missed out on Tokyo. Yes, because she had a 314 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: bone injury that came about after she had her first child, 315 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: which they're so incredible, I know, well more incredibly her 316 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: second child was born in September of last year. No yeah, 317 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 2: and since giving birth has then ran the time that 318 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: has qualified her in this top six that's. 319 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 3: Like six months. It's actually insane. She ran the time 320 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: when a baby was six months old. 321 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: Again, I can't begin to tell you how much as 322 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: a mum this blows, or as anyone that blows your mind. 323 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: Of the top six women that made this qualifying time, 324 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: five of them have had children. 325 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: I just can't. I just don't understand. But Jeremy I 326 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: would assume. So if we've gone Shane Diver, she has 327 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: the fastest time right she's on the plane. Genevieve Gregson 328 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: second fastest time she's on the plane, Jessica Stenson third 329 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: fastest time she's on the butt. 330 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: She was the fifth fastest qualified during the period. 331 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: And this is where the drama ensues because Lisa Weightman 332 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: is one of Australia's best ever marathon runners. If selected, 333 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: she would be going to her fifth Games in track 334 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: and field, and during this period she did run the 335 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: third fastest time. So but she is not on the 336 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: plane to patters, she didn't receive the phone call. Yes, 337 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: and understandably so she and her camp are devastated. 338 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: So this is a decision that is made by Athletics Australia. Yes, 339 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: when they are choosing their squad, they have to make 340 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: these tough decisions about who gets to represent them and 341 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: our country on the world's biggest stage. 342 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: I must admit I was ignorant to the selection process 343 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: that happens in athletics. I made the massive assumption that 344 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: it's the top three times and away you go. There 345 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: is a word called discretion yes in their selection guidelines, 346 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: which is what this all hinges on. And Athletics Australia 347 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: have come back to the point where they're saying we're 348 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: using our discretion and where selecting Jess to go to 349 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: the Games. 350 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: Yes, and I would assume and I think one of 351 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: the reasons that they have given themselves is that is 352 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: her history with being able to perform at big events, right, 353 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: like she has that gold medal experience. 354 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: And also what we know about Paris is it's going 355 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: to be very hot, yes, and treacherous conditions. 356 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: And this is why the marathon and the selection process 357 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: for this event and other events. But it can come 358 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: down to discretion because it is really difficult to try 359 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: and synchronize synchronize a selection process, right you can only 360 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: run a few marathons at your top speed through the 361 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: course of a year. The courses come into play because 362 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: a lot of courses are a lot flatter than others. 363 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 4: Others are hillier. 364 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: So depending on where you choose to run, that will 365 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: obviously affect your time. So among these six runners, a 366 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: lot of their times were posted at different places and 367 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: throughout different periods throughout the two years. 368 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 2: Their training blocks are about thirteen weeks right, so you're 369 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 2: roughly looking at three months there lead up to each marathon. 370 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: So they probably have two, maybe three elite marathons in 371 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 2: them annually. So they target these particular races where they 372 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: know they're more likely to run a better time in 373 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 2: order to qualify. And also it's noted for marathon runners 374 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 2: where the prize money. 375 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 4: Is So for me though, I feel that this term discretion. 376 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: It makes sense for a lot of sports and a 377 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: lot of sporting bodies to anything with the team like this. Yeah, 378 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: so why is this case different from so many others? 379 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 2: So Lisa Weightman on the fifteenth of May made an 380 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 2: appeal to the National Sports Tribunal and her argument was 381 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: that the nomination criteria was not properly applied and there 382 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 2: was no material in which Athletic Australia's decision could be 383 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: reasonably based. The NST found in favor of Lisa Weightman, 384 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: so they went away did their due diligence. In this time, 385 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 2: Lisa's got a manager and this is all getting very 386 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: muddy and very uncomfortable behind the scenes, in the fact 387 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 2: that AA hasn't announced that these three women have got 388 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: the ticket to Paris. While this process is going on, 389 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: AA say cool, we're sticking with our mark. The National 390 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 2: Sports Trust then present their findings to AA and say, look, 391 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: we think that you should have an independent committee to 392 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 2: assess this because in our findings, you know, there's an 393 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 2: unfair bias here. That's their recommendation, and Athletics Australia have 394 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 2: gone yeah nah, so we hear you no. And then 395 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: in this time, we are already in the Olympic training 396 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 2: block for the marathon. 397 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 4: This is even happening last night. 398 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 3: We are less than thirteen weeks out. 399 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 2: So these women are training like they're going to Paris, 400 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 2: believing that they may be going to Paris, waiting for 401 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: the ticket. And the other thing is all of this 402 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 2: takes a lot of money. It's lawyers, it's engagement, and 403 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: we just want to highlight no one's winning here. No 404 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: poor Jess Stinson and the pressure on you receive the 405 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: call to say that you're going to an Olympics, you 406 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: go into Paris and perhaps you weren't expecting it, And 407 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 2: what a dream. I've just had a kid. This is 408 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: just my Cinderella moment and someone who I'm close to 409 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 2: because the athletics fraternity and especially marathon runners. 410 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 3: They travel around the world together. 411 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very very tight knit. These people are teammates. Yes, 412 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: that's an individual sport, but they are teammates, they're friends, 413 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: they've known each other for decades. 414 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: So on Wednesday, the twenty ninth of May, five minutes 415 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 2: before the appeal deadline, Lisa informs Athletics Australia that she 416 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 2: was going to make a final appeal to the Court 417 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 2: of Arbitration of Sport in Switzerland. 418 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 4: So she's taken it to the next level. 419 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: Several hours later, she pulls it back and basically says, 420 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm dropping this. 421 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: I'm done here and my understanding is it came down 422 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: to cost. 423 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: Well her official statement after she decided to drop that appeal. 424 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: What I am most disappointed about is Athletics Australia's own 425 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: internal systems and procedures that have allowed this outcome and which, 426 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: unless corrected, will negatively impact future Australian athletes and the 427 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: legitimate claims to represent Australia. 428 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: And big names within athletics, someone like Sally Pearson who 429 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 2: has then gone on to have a career in media 430 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 2: after being an olympian herself wrote an article that went 431 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: gamebusters that started with the line I'm shocked, Lisa Weightman 432 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: is heartbroken and Athletics Australia is in crisis. She goes 433 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: on to say, I'm disappointed with the national selection panel, 434 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: but I'm more shocked at the integrity of Athletics Australia 435 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: and how this has become a total fast So on 436 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 2: the eve of an Olympics, Athletics Australia are getting whacked yes, 437 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: and people like you and I are shocked, going what 438 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 2: do you mean? What do you mean it in a 439 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 2: time based event. 440 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 4: It's not the fastest who goes, It's not. 441 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 3: The fastest, like this is brand new information. 442 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: I also think though, that it is case in point 443 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: once again of just the reactive power. 444 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: Of social media one hundred percent. 445 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: Because this is where it started to get really nasty. 446 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: People started to see these articles from Sally Pearson, They 447 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: started to see the headlines bombshell Athletics Australia and they 448 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: then were like, oh, hang on a second, what is this. 449 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: This must be an absolute outrage. What should I be doing? 450 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: Muddying this further is of course, at its heart, these 451 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: are people, the human side the. 452 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 4: Emotions of this. 453 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much you say it ecstasy, you know, 454 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: the Cinderella story, but then there's absolute heartbreak because what 455 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: you thought was going to be your dream coming to 456 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: life is not the case anymore. And we saw that 457 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: with Lisa Weightman's husband Lachlan MacArthur weighing in on social media, 458 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: a move that he may now himself have like say. 459 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 3: That he regrets. 460 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: He deleted Twitter after making these comments, and you can 461 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 2: understand that emotions were very heightened, but he tweeted or xed. 462 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 2: It still feels weird to say that, but sure xd 463 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 2: Jess Trengo, which is Jess's maiden name, could you please 464 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 2: take down your background photo of my family? By the way, 465 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: this was after one of the seven to one all 466 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 2: time head to head wins by Lisa Weightman. 467 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: So this is after Jess Stenson is selected as that 468 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: in that third spot. 469 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: But it was yet to be announced by Athletics, yet. 470 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 4: To be announced, but the actual. 471 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 3: Run selection process had happened. 472 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were aware, right, Yes, so the official announcement 473 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: hasn't happened, but all the main players know what's going on, yes, 474 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: And so Lisa Weightman's husband has gone to Jess's personal account, 475 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: seen a display picture of them all celebrating looking like 476 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: happy family, and publicly tweeted and publicly tweeted take that down. 477 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 4: There's a heartbroken family here. 478 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 2: And we do live in a media landscape where it's 479 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: that sort of fodder that gives this stuff massive five. 480 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 4: All the screenshots that came all of. 481 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: A sudden, it goes there is disdain, there's hate, there's 482 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 2: drama behind the scenes. 483 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 4: Do you think that. 484 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: That was inflated because it was women? I know that 485 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: a man has necessarily like taken this first, blown it up, 486 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: But do you think that part of the drama that 487 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: everyone then attached themselves onto when it came to this 488 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: story was because it was women, female athletes. 489 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 2: I actually had this conversation with Genevieve Gregson, who again 490 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 2: I had an event with her in the lead up 491 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 2: to this being made in a public announcement, and she 492 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 2: was understandably very Pg. Thirteen in her description of all 493 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: else she used to play the game. 494 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 4: Still she did discretionary. 495 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: Remember she at the time didn't tell me who the 496 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: parties were, just said, look, there is a pretty ugly 497 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 2: dispute happening behind the scenes, no one wants to see it, 498 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: and you know, I just feel for my community at 499 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 2: the moment. And I actually said to her the only 500 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 2: thing that I can compare it to in my life 501 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 2: is that I always feel like I'm pitted against other 502 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: women in media. And genuinely, I've been in meetings with 503 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 2: bosses that have said to me, you weren't the person, 504 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 2: but I can only give the job to you or 505 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 2: Georgie who's better, of which I in my early twenties 506 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 2: had to have the grace to go that's your job, 507 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 2: not mine. I think she's one fool, and you can 508 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: make your own choice. But there is this idea, particularly 509 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: with women, yes, that you has to be competition within 510 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: the competition. 511 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 4: Because this is a thing. It is a competition. We 512 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 4: all know it's a competition. It's athletices, we get it. 513 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: But then you don't need to necessarily then go on 514 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: this at this extra level. 515 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: And there must be this awful feeling in going. A 516 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 2: decision was made and you rightly so believe it to 517 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 2: be unjust because and I can see the merits of 518 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: your argument, but I got a ticket to Paris. Yeah, 519 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 2: ticket to Paris, and in credit to Lochlan MacArthur. Once 520 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 2: the image was taken down, he basically tweeted saying, look, 521 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 2: thank you to Jess for taking that down. I have 522 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 2: a heartbroken family here and he then deleted his account. 523 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: And you can understand from the Weightman camp perspective going, 524 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: I'm meant to be going to my fifth Games. 525 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, if it was me and I thought that I 526 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: had clocked that time, you know, me my magical running 527 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: world and I'm on the way to Paris and then 528 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: I'm told no, you're not. I would have I would 529 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: feel like the world had completely shifted and I'm falling, falling, falling. 530 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: And you just feel that with her public statement, perhaps 531 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 2: this situation wasn't met with the empathy and the nuances 532 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: of what it was. 533 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 4: Maybe transparency. 534 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: I always feel like, I mean, we give governing bodies 535 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: a fairwack on this podcast for not being as transparent 536 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: as maybe they no, and I think that's the case 537 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: here again, like there has been a communication breakdown here. 538 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: Jane Fleming, who is the Athletics Australia president, said in 539 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: the statement, you know, we acknowledge the difficult task of 540 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: Olympic nomination selection, whether a more athletes qualified than positions available. 541 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: Any allegations that Athletics Australia or Athletics Australia's selection panel 542 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: has not acted with integrity is also defamatory and simply 543 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: not true. So she stood up for the process. But 544 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: should the selection process change? 545 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 2: Well, this is where Sally Pearson at the end of 546 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: our article says, we want answers, and so are there 547 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 2: answers when we look around the world. Is this a 548 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 2: scenario that's unique to Australia or is it not? And 549 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 2: you've had an example that blew my mind. 550 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: I did tell me because you may be seeing there thinking, yeah, 551 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: it's crazy, guys, this is insane. 552 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 4: Be the fastest six week are fly? 553 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 3: Yeah? 554 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 4: How do we do this? 555 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: But it's also not only rules for us, rules for others. 556 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 1: This is standard practice around the world, including in the 557 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: East African powerhouses of Ethiopia and Kenya. So Ethiopia had 558 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: ninety eight women run underneath the qualifying time of two 559 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: hours and twenty six minutes fifty seconds during that qualification period. 560 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: How many women run in the they could have fielded 561 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 2: the entire field. Kenya had sixty six un believable. So 562 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 2: they are also making decisions of ninety eight into three 563 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 2: and I tell you what for them as well, they 564 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 2: did not pick the three fastest times posted. There was 565 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: one in there that was in the mid fifties, like 566 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 2: the fifty fifth time fastest time she is on the 567 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 2: way because they thought you are a big event athlete, 568 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: you have the experience to back it up. 569 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 4: I am picking you. 570 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 2: The fifty fifth fastest qualifying time in the Olympic qualifying 571 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 2: period is going to Paris. 572 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: I think so yeah, because they're also fast ninety eight 573 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: ninety eight underneath the qualification time. So these decisions are 574 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: happening around the world. Discretion is applied across the board. 575 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 2: And now we do have someone like Tamza Manu, who's 576 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: so entrenched in athletics in Australia, to give her two 577 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: cents about what's happened here. 578 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 3: But also what could be a potential solution. So let's 579 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 3: have a listener to Tamsen. 580 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 6: You can see why she's disappointed and there's a lot 581 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 6: of emotion around this selection. But unless you make it 582 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 6: really clear cut and you say in the selection criteria, right, 583 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 6: we are picking the top three times. And again that's 584 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 6: hard too because marathon you have to target that race, 585 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 6: And I know that the USA has a marathon championship 586 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 6: trials because of that, so they take out the gray 587 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 6: area in the selection, and the first three across the 588 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 6: line in those marathon championship trials get selected, and the 589 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 6: fourth person is the alternate, and so on. So I 590 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 6: hope what Australian Athletics does is we do what the 591 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 6: American team does, and we do name an alternate. 592 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: I wonder how Lisa would feel about getting on the 593 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: plane as a sub. 594 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 3: Oh do you know what? 595 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 4: I think? At least you'd be on the plane. Do 596 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Anything could happen, Anything could happen. 597 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 4: Injuries happen all the time. 598 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 3: I mean. 599 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 2: And also the argument there and it's a fair one 600 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: where Tamson's like had one race the first three to 601 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: get across the line. There you go, let's solve this. 602 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 2: It's what happens in America. That's great. This whole scenario 603 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: just doesn't pass the pub test. There are no winners, 604 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: it seems, on either side. But what we will be 605 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: doing is getting our green and gold on and cheering 606 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: the hell. 607 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 3: Out of the three athletes that have qualified. 608 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 2: Oh yes, and hopefully from this point on, can just 609 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: celebrate them and their achievements because the women that are 610 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 2: on the plane haven't done anything wrong. 611 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 3: Georgie, it's time for fun fact. Yes, it's time for 612 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 3: a fun fact. And they're featured. 613 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: In our Bad Sports because we love when tennis players 614 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 2: have an absolute spat and for whatever reason, maybe it's 615 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: just because they're in France, they get angry at the moment, 616 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 2: don't they get passionate. 617 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 3: Here's some fun. 618 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 2: Facts, but also a good news story. And that mister 619 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: Gucci Yannick Sinner. You know that he's like he uses 620 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: a Gucci bag. 621 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 4: Oh yes, I do. I thought you met. 622 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: He was like some unknown Aircci thrown. 623 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 3: I was like or a player Gucci. I was running 624 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 3: number one thousand in the world. 625 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 4: I was like the one who the fans dresses carrots for. 626 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: He's a Gucci No you remember him of course as 627 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: the winner of the Australian Open. 628 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 3: He is the first ever Italian number one. 629 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 4: Love it, I love it. 630 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 3: Good on him. 631 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: We'll staying with tennis because I wanted to bring a 632 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: fun fact jemy in relation to the courts that they 633 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: play on French Open synonymous with a clay court. 634 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 4: Right, yes, And as we know play again, we can't 635 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 4: get the violins out. I'm not doing it. I refuse. 636 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: But as we now know it Roland Garross. Of course, 637 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: it's famous for its red clay, but terra cotta, if 638 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: you will, terra cotta. I love that that is the 639 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: correct shade. But Jemmy, did you know that clay court's 640 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: not always terra cotta. 641 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 3: But that's the color of clay. Ha ha ha. 642 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: It would appear, yes, except if you're at the Madrid 643 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: Open in twenty twelve. There the clay was blue. They 644 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: used blue clay. 645 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 3: So like our hard. 646 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: Courts, say Australia called and wants it's hard court color back, 647 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 2: we are the sky blue. 648 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: Well this is why because apparently the billionaire owner of 649 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: the tournament Indrid, wanted the courts to be blue because 650 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: they had become so popular in hard court use, right yep. 651 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: So they were like, yeah, let's just just just make 652 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,959 Speaker 1: this clay court, let's just make that blue. However, it 653 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: resulted in a more slippery surface because they've got paint 654 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: in the clay, because it's usually like crushed up brick, right, 655 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: like it's genuinely terra cotta. 656 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, genuinely yeah. 657 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 658 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: So they've actually somehow by making it blue, they've changed 659 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: the complete fabric of it, and it meant a slippery surface, 660 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: and the play is hated it. 661 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 2: Well, they already slide around so much in regular clay, 662 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 2: so it was more slippery. 663 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 3: And that's the thing, Like, there's so many nuances. 664 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: To what exact balls they use and why some players 665 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 2: excelling clay and others are more for grass courts. So 666 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 2: there's so many differences to these different surfaces, even though 667 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: they're all Grand slams. Yeah, and if you mess with 668 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 2: the clay, particularly the Spaniards, they're not going to be happy. 669 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: Can you guess one of the players that was particularly 670 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: put out. Think about a player who's not necessarily adverse 671 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: to being a little bit vocal, slides around a lot 672 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: like Nova. 673 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 3: Would have thrown his toys. I'm kid, you dould have 674 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 3: thrown his toys so far out of the cot. 675 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 4: He was mad. He was mad. 676 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: Shortstone split on the rig is stunning how white sides. 677 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 4: The man lives in a split, lives in a split. 678 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 4: And so for him, he got knocked out. So he 679 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 4: was like, oh. 680 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 3: It must be the court. 681 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 4: It's the court, it's the court. This blue Clay I 682 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 4: think not. 683 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: I think not, and therefore after that the ATP banded 684 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: Blue Clay was never. 685 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 3: Used to Thank you so much for joining us on 686 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 3: Too Good Sports. Please leave us a review. They're very helpful, 687 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 3: and remember to subscribe and check us out on social 688 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 3: media as well at two Good Sports Podcasts. Georgie, I 689 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 3: know that you need therapy after Origin, so I hope, 690 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 3: I hope you have a strong week and that people 691 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,959 Speaker 3: check in on their Origin loving friends. 692 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, and let's call a sendoff. 693 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 3: Be a good sport before