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Speaker 1: For your time this morning. Now, Minister, the AFL games

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Speaker 3: Look, the Police Association, they fall under a slightly different

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Speaker 1: Hey, before I let you go, I just got a

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Speaker 1: message through. Somebody's just messaged and said, can you please

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Speaker 1: ask the minister about John John's closing until Monday due

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Speaker 1: to staff concerns regarding personal safety due to anti social

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Speaker 1: behavior and crime. Apparently they are closing until Monday the

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Speaker 1: first because of those safety concerns. I mean that must

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Speaker 1: be a concern for you, given the fact that you're

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Speaker 1: the Minister for Small Business and also the local member.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and John's a good guy and everybody knows how

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Speaker 3: much blood sweatned he is He's put into his business

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Speaker 3: over the last few years. I went for a drive

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Speaker 3: and I'll certainly reach out to John today to see

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Speaker 3: what else we can do to assist. I know he

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Speaker 3: works very very hard to take obviously, the safety of

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Speaker 3: these works comes to power them ount. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what incidents have happened in the very recent future, but yep,

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Speaker 3: we do stop in there quite regularly to have a

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Speaker 3: I'll do that again today.

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty ordinary situation, isn't it for us to

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Speaker 1: be in where there's a small business closing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the footy is in jeopardy, all sorts of things, all

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Speaker 1: because of crime.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a mountain of good things happening to Katie,

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Speaker 3: and we had, like I said, record numbers at Partsner,

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Speaker 3: record numbers or you know, he sold out event at

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Speaker 3: Too Stadium. We've got a couple of big games coming

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Speaker 3: up here for AFL over the coming weeks and months,

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Speaker 3: and then we'll get into the supercars and all of

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Speaker 3: our festival. So there is a lot of good stuff

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Speaker 3: that's happening. Will continue to push that stuff, and we'll

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Speaker 3: continue to work as hard as we can on making

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Speaker 3: sure that anti social behavior gets washed. Yeah, we have to,

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Speaker 3: and people can move around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we really have to. We've all had enough of it. Minister.

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Speaker 1: Always appreciate you time. Thank you very much for joining

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Speaker 1: us on the show this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Katie to thank you.