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Speaker 2: Good morning to your minister. Good morning Katie, Minister.

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Speaker 1: Obviously quite a bit to this announcement yesterday and a

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Speaker 1: And look, I think it's incredibly important because there needs

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Speaker 3: Only difference between the patrols here and the patrols in

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Speaker 3: So that issue that you've just raised, that's another issue

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Speaker 2: So that is something that looking at area, you.

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Speaker 3: Cannot detain them. If they've done nothing wrong. You cannot

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Speaker 3: and we are we're doing that work. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: I think that that is certainly something that everybody wants

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Speaker 3: So there are obviously some specific issues around people that

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Speaker 3: recognize that there are some issues. We've seen how this

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Speaker 1: Minister overall, have you got any plans to meet with

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Katie, and I'm not walking away from the fact

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Speaker 1: Minister, we have had a few people say to us

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Speaker 3: We are we have a lot of urgency around these issues.

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Speaker 3: Police are doing their absolute best. Our jails are absolutely full, Katie,

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Speaker 3: and I think that that's the point that people are missing.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Treating it like we need to ensure that there

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Speaker 1: Minister Kate Warten, I really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for speaking with me. No doubt we'll talk

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and Katie, I can make a commitment to the

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Speaker 1: Look, I appreciate that, and I know it can get

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,