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Speaker 1: It's time for the week there was and joining me

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Speaker 1: in the studio today for the labor party. We have

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Speaker 1: got Duran Young, Good morning, Duran, be lovely to have

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Speaker 1: you in the studio. For the CLP. We've got Minister

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Speaker 1: Robin Carl, Good morning to you, Robin.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, Good morning everybody out there in this

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Speaker 2: beautiful build up morning.

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Speaker 1: And Justine Davis for Johnson, good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Hey Katie.

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Speaker 1: Hey ever now I say good morning, but we've been

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Speaker 1: on a walk this morning, stride for stroke with Crooksy.

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Speaker 1: I thought we're going to get taken away by some

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Speaker 1: mosquitoes along the Esphena there for a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of posies around. But g it was

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Speaker 1: for a wonderful cause, wasn't it. And Justine, I know

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Speaker 1: it is something that's that's very dear to your hearsh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So, as I was explaining to Katie and talking

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Speaker 4: about with Crooksy, I had a stroke very unexpectedly a

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Speaker 3: I was very lucky it was a mild stroke.

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Speaker 4: I had incredible treatment here in our amazing public health system.

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Speaker 4: I can't talk highly enough about. But one of the things,

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Speaker 4: and one of the reasons I like to talk about

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Speaker 4: it is that this can affect anyone. I was really fit,

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Speaker 4: I had no risk factors, and totally out of the

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Speaker 4: blue didn't I didn't know what was happening. No one

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Speaker 4: amazing treatment. So it's really good for people to look

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Speaker 4: out for the signs of stroke in yourself and in

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Speaker 4: people around you. So if if suddenly someone looks like

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Speaker 4: or anything that you might be concerned about around that,

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Speaker 4: then check it out straight away. Just what happened for me,

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Speaker 4: and yeah, came out the other end very lucky.

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Speaker 3: Early intervention in stroke care is so critical. And how

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Speaker 3: amazing is Crooksy.

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Speaker 2: I think an amazing guy to have gone through what

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Speaker 2: I want to raise money for the Stroke Foundation through

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Speaker 2: this initiative, And yeah, it hats off to him.

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Speaker 1: He's incredible and he wants to walk twelve k's for

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Speaker 1: the month, which might seem like it's not a huge amount,

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Speaker 1: but after you've had a stroke and you've relearned to

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Speaker 1: walk again, that is an absolutely incredible achievement. This morning

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Speaker 1: we walked. We ended up doing eighteen hundred meters. I

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Speaker 1: think we're only meant to do a bit shorter, and

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Speaker 1: we were smashed into it once we started walking and talking.

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Speaker 1: You know, you get distracted and you keep going. But

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Speaker 1: he's aiming to raise twelve thousand dollars. We reckon, he

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Speaker 1: can we reckon, we can help him get more than that.

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Speaker 3: So I reckon we should be pushing the aim for twenty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Coon Territory, Inc.

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Speaker 1: I agree. And look, Crystal has popped up I believe. Well,

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Speaker 1: she's going to a link on the MIXEDWANO four nine

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Speaker 1: facebook page and also, yeah, let people know a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about that on our facebook page. And just

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Speaker 1: before we get into the issues of the week, Justine,

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Speaker 1: you were talking while we're out walking and potentially committing

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Speaker 1: to getting back into running.

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Speaker 4: Oh this is not getting back into Katie full disclosure,

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Speaker 4: not a runner, but as inspired by our morning walk,

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Speaker 4: thinking that might be something that I want to take gap.

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Speaker 4: So we thought we thought, I'm making it as well.

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Speaker 3: On the show.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's something I might do.

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Speaker 4: So I think my hope, my commitment is that by

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Speaker 4: the end of my term. So four years time, I

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Speaker 4: can run five k's run out there. If you see

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Speaker 4: me judging along somewhere, you know, give you a cheer, give.

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Speaker 1: You a bit of a two. Yeah. No, I think

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Speaker 1: you can definitely do that, and we'll keep We'll find

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Speaker 1: We'll get some updates from you each time I've got

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Speaker 3: Just I like that.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's about being accountable if you put it

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Speaker 4: out there, but it's also about people having your backup accountability.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. Well, Look, there has been so much happening

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Speaker 1: an incredibly busy week because the Northern Territory Department of

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Speaker 1: Corrections have been implementing emergency measures in response to a

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Speaker 3: Very as soon as what I advised.

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Speaker 2: And I guess the thing is that what we're seeing

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Speaker 3: It's a really really challenging situation, and certainly the situation

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Speaker 2: Obviously, our clear and ultimate goal is to stop people

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Speaker 2: if you like that, we actually give them some really clear,

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Speaker 2: We've only just recently announced it. The initial step is

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Speaker 3: What's happening in each of our communities.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, we then need to create an environment where we

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Speaker 1: One of the things that we keep hearing really loudly

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Speaker 1: I've been told by one grandmother that her I believe

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Speaker 2: Certainly, the very first thing I did in my very

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Speaker 2: want to implement a wrap around service.

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Speaker 3: I'm calling it.

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Speaker 2: It's not official, but I'm going to make it official now,

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Speaker 2: Circuit Breaker program. The whole intention is that when a child,

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Speaker 2: wrong pathway. It's been a fair body of work and

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Speaker 2: we have identified some really good programs that with some

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Speaker 2: that I've certainly am phasized with the department that we

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Speaker 1: So one of the other things I was pretty surprised

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Speaker 1: Over one hundred and thirty of those youths were on bail.

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Speaker 1: I don't subscribe to that belief, and I don't think

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Speaker 6: And this is the worry that you know, we're hearing

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Speaker 6: at how we educate our kids. We're looking at a

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Speaker 6: So it's actually looking at the longer term solutions. Otherwise,

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Speaker 6: Otherwise we're just going to see the revolving door in

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Speaker 4: And I think, I mean, I think everyone agrees with that,

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Speaker 4: with what Durand's saying, with what Robin's saying, that we

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Speaker 4: need to address the root cause of crime. There are

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Speaker 4: It's really fantastic to hear this framing round. What we

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Speaker 3: That are appropriate.

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Speaker 4: I've been lucky enough to have work to be able

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Speaker 4: So we need to make sure that we keep supporting them.

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Speaker 4: I think we still need to know, and I know

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Speaker 4: I know there's a plan and we will hear the detail.

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Speaker 4: But people are coming into my office all the time

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Speaker 2: that requires a legislative change, which you're working on. But

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Speaker 3: But going to I'm not going to name the.

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Speaker 2: out about ninety thousand dollars a quarter in the last quarter,

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Speaker 2: So there's clearly something broken in there that's not working effectively,

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Speaker 1: I think from the government. I think there needs to

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Speaker 6: I understand that point, but there are you know, we've

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Speaker 6: When you work with the community and you put programs

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Speaker 6: So this isn't just a band. This isn't just fixed

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Speaker 1: And I'm not suggesting it is, I think, but I.

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Speaker 7: Do need commitments from the government. But we do need

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Speaker 3: You want to time, you want a time. You said

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Speaker 2: We've had eight weeks, you had eight years. Fears fair,

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Speaker 2: We've put information out there, we've said what the agenda is.

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Speaker 2: We absolutely and we're looking at what was implemented in

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Speaker 2: I think one of the best examples I can you

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Speaker 3: And that's what we're going to empower them to do well.

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Speaker 4: And can I just ask Robin, what's the process going

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Speaker 3: Young people, deciding what is and isn't effective. How are

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Speaker 2: One of the first things you have to do is

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Speaker 2: how you do it is you talk to them, which

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Speaker 1: There does need to be programs and there needs to

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Speaker 2: That the legislation that was passed mid in the first

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Speaker 3: So Declan's Law has been a center to.

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Speaker 2: So that's the presumption against bail for violent offenders, and

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Speaker 3: And that's what we have to work towards.

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Speaker 2: And it seems simple in some of the solutions, but

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was if you've just joined us,

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Speaker 1: So we've got to make sure we get this right.

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Speaker 1: There is no doubt about that. I don't know if

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Speaker 3: That's a really good question, Katie.

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Speaker 4: I mean, not only is everyone entitled to it, but

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Speaker 4: I've got that same question. Is a million dollars going

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Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that.

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Speaker 4: We know there's are really long term problems in terms

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Speaker 4: does not work. It doesn't work for services. It puts

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Speaker 4: really big including legal Aid, it puts big pressure on them.

440
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Speaker 4: It doesn't enable them to do their work properly and

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Speaker 4: to plan to meet the needs that we all know

442
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Speaker 4: are there.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, sorry, yeah, I was just going to say, yeah,

444
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Speaker 6: reiterate what Justine had said. You know, this is an

445
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Speaker 6: issue around needs based funding, a matter of the political

446
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Speaker 6: situation at the time or the political parties that are

447
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Speaker 6: in and we know that up here it is well

448
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Speaker 6: with any state and territory. It's quite tricky because you know, we,

449
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Speaker 6: especially in the territory, we rely so heavily on the

450
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Speaker 6: federal government to fund us. So whether seal PAS in

451
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Speaker 6: government at the time or we're in government, you know,

452
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Speaker 6: we're always having to advocate to the federal government for

453
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Speaker 6: that needs based funding. But you know, I do want

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Speaker 6: to congratulate the government. They have given a million dollars

455
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Speaker 6: to Legal Aid, which you know we've been calling out

456
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Speaker 6: about two months ago to have that funding put forward.

457
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Speaker 6: So it's great to see that finally come. But whether

458
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Speaker 6: that will go farther far enough is a question to

459
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Speaker 6: be asked. You know, we've seen I guess the issues.

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Speaker 1: As well as why didn't why didn't you guys provide

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Speaker 1: some further funding to them?

462
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Speaker 6: Well, we have provided funding in the past when legal

463
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Speaker 6: aid had come to us, I believe on two occasions

464
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Speaker 6: in twenty two a couple of years ago, they'd come

465
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Speaker 6: to us. We provided one point nine million dollars when

466
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Speaker 6: they'd come to us in our so that need. So

467
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Speaker 6: that's why I question whether this is enough at one

468
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Speaker 6: million dollars, considering that, you know, we do have an

469
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Speaker 6: issue in our justice system. We've heard that it's bursting

470
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Speaker 6: at the steams in US, at the seams in a

471
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Speaker 6: correction system as well, and we rarely going to see

472
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Speaker 6: that extra pressure now with the movement of prisoners and

473
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Speaker 6: young people around correction systems.

474
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Speaker 7: We saw.

475
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Speaker 6: The criminal lawyers come out and say that this is

476
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Speaker 6: a real issue, especially with people on remand we have

477
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Speaker 6: people that you know, second third language can't have a

478
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Speaker 6: face to face conversation with their lawyers, which means lawyers

479
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Speaker 6: find it hard to get instructions to then, so that

480
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Speaker 6: we'll obviously see more people in the justice system not

481
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Speaker 6: fairly represented.

482
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Speaker 1: And look, I'm going to catch up with with bathwild

483
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Speaker 1: from the Criminal Lawyers Association just after ten o'clock this morning.

484
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Speaker 1: There's no doubt that you know that we need to

485
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Speaker 1: sort this situation out. And I suppose you know not

486
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Speaker 1: only because we need to make sure that people have

487
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Speaker 1: adequate representation, but we also need to make sure that

488
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Speaker 1: things are moving through the legal system at a rate

489
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Speaker 1: that victims expect and that they deserve without question.

490
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Speaker 3: And I think look, let's in terms of legal aid, the.

491
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Speaker 2: Elephant in the room is that the extra work that

492
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Speaker 2: they were burdened with was because we had Nacha in trouble.

493
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Speaker 3: That was an issue that has now been resolved.

494
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Speaker 2: They actually working, They've got a new CEO in place,

495
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Speaker 2: he's working, They're working really hard to actually get that

496
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Speaker 2: back on track, which is great.

497
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Speaker 3: And legal aid and.

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Speaker 4: That was an issue, but as I just said, since

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Speaker 4: twenty twelve, funding for legal aid has been previous to that,

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Speaker 4: so that that's something that's contributed.

501
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Speaker 3: But that's certainly that's not the only issue.

502
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's lots of issues around that, and I think

503
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Speaker 2: you know the fact that you've talked about Beth Wilden,

504
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Speaker 2: the comments that she's made is this is something that

505
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Speaker 2: she is in the making, and it is a reflection

506
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Speaker 2: on what happens in our community. What in the past

507
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Speaker 2: has been a challenge in terms of looking at how

508
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Speaker 2: we manage.

509
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Speaker 3: Criminal activity, how we deal with offenders.

510
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Speaker 2: And I think think one of it, there have been

511
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Speaker 2: some fabulous programs that have been put in place over the.

512
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Speaker 3: Years that have stopped for various reasons.

513
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Speaker 2: I think one of my pet things is that if

514
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Speaker 2: you've got a program that is working, then you keep

515
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Speaker 2: it going.

516
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Speaker 3: You actually keep it going.

517
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Speaker 2: So the issue with legal Aid, the initial funding is

518
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Speaker 2: just the short term. There's a lot of work being

519
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Speaker 2: done with Legal Aid, specifically by the AG to actually

520
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Speaker 2: look at what the long term solution is.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the broader discussion on this, we've been

522
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Speaker 1: We've just spoken about the fact that we've got our

523
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Speaker 1: prisons bursting at the seams. There's forty one percent of prisoners,

524
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Speaker 1: if I remember what Matthew Valley had told me earlier

525
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Speaker 1: in the week, correctly, forty one percent of prisoners are

526
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Speaker 1: on remand so if we're able to sort of, you know,

527
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Speaker 1: if we are able to speed things up or to

528
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Speaker 1: get things moving within the courts, what kind of difference then,

529
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Speaker 1: do you think that that might potentially make in terms

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Speaker 1: of our correctional facilities. I mean it could see people

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Speaker 1: locked up.

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Speaker 2: That's I don't know absolutely right, that's the border is shirre.

533
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Speaker 2: Why is it taking that? What is it that's causing

534
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Speaker 2: the blockages? Why can't we get those through?

535
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Speaker 1: It we stopping?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the work that's currently being done with the

537
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Speaker 2: AG and part.

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Speaker 4: Of it is complete under resourcing of the legal system

539
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Speaker 4: and the court system, so they just cannot get through

540
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Speaker 4: these cases.

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Speaker 3: And I think, I mean, I know.

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Speaker 4: I've said this on this show before, but this is

543
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Speaker 4: just some talking to people in my community. I want

544
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Speaker 4: people to understand because we don't Remand does not mean

545
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Speaker 4: you've been found guilty of a crime. It means that

546
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Speaker 4: you're in the system sometimes and I've heard these stories

547
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Speaker 4: from people, sometimes for years waiting for your time in court,

548
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Speaker 4: sometimes for incredibly minor like not well, incredibly minor alleged

549
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Speaker 4: thank you Robin, like stealing and can Cooke.

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Speaker 3: I heard a story about a guy who's.

551
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Speaker 4: Been in Remand for more than two years waiting for

552
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Speaker 4: his day in court, Like it's just ridiculous that happens

553
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Speaker 4: and one of the reasons is because of the huge

554
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Speaker 4: under resourcing of our court system. And the other thing

555
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Speaker 4: is that these are not people who need to be

556
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Speaker 4: in prison. These are not people who need to be

557
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Speaker 4: locked up, who need to be using our resources. And

558
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Speaker 4: as Duran said, some of the changes, for example moving

559
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Speaker 4: children and young people from Alice Springs to Darwin, we

560
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Speaker 4: are going to see much more children here in Romand

561
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Speaker 4: because they're not going to be able to access proper

562
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Speaker 4: legal services, and that's going to delay.

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Speaker 3: Their access to justice. That's what all the levels service.

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Speaker 2: That's why we're looking at what the opportunities are, particularly

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Speaker 2: for the lower end defenses like selling a can of coke.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would be digging into the facts of

567
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Speaker 2: that because we hear lots of.

568
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Speaker 3: Anecdotal stories and urban myths.

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Speaker 2: But the issue is that if we can find alternate

570
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Speaker 2: ways for people who are on remand so obviously serving

571
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Speaker 2: that being on remand in the community with electronic monitoring

572
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Speaker 2: is one of the really important things that we're looking at, expanding,

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Speaker 2: looking at where people can't be monitored in community because

574
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Speaker 2: you don't have the coverage where you can actually pick

575
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Speaker 2: up the electronic monitoring. What are the alternatives for that,

576
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Speaker 2: What are the options for them to stay not in

577
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Speaker 2: a watchhouse or not in a prison, but to be

578
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Speaker 2: reminded somewhere safe and looked after in the community. So

579
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Speaker 2: there's a very very broad range of options being looked at,

580
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Speaker 2: and lots of consultation being done with the people on

581
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Speaker 2: the ground who are dealing with this, other organizations that

582
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Speaker 2: might be able to assist. And certainly that's where some

583
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Speaker 2: of the work that I'm doing is coming into play,

584
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Speaker 2: working across Youth Justice with Minister Edgington and Housing for

585
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Speaker 2: Minister Edgington.

586
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Speaker 3: And with Minister Meili.

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Speaker 2: That means that we can all work together collaboratively to

588
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Speaker 2: get a solution for this.

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Speaker 1: Well. Look, we certainly need to find some kind of solution.

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Speaker 1: I know we like the community is at the point

591
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Speaker 1: I think we're there demanding us. You know, people want

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Speaker 1: to see some real change in this space, and a

593
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Speaker 1: lot of people are very switched on and understand that

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Speaker 1: it's a pretty broad sort of issue that we've got

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Speaker 1: at the moment.

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Speaker 4: I think that's really true, Katie, when you just said before, Look,

597
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Speaker 4: you're not someone who wants to see kids locked up.

598
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Speaker 4: When I talk to people, you know, during the campaign

599
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Speaker 4: and in my community. Now, people understand these are complex issues.

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Speaker 4: People understand that it's not just a matter of you know,

601
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Speaker 4: locking up kids throwing away the key. They understand that

602
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 4: we need to address the drivers. What's happening, you know, housing, poverty,

603
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Speaker 4: education and all of those things. And people are coming

604
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Speaker 4: and saying to me, now, so what's happening. There's all

605
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Speaker 4: these big new laws which are just about locking more

606
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Speaker 4: people up. What's actually happening. The urgent thing is what's

607
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Speaker 4: going to happen to be addressing what's driving that.

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Speaker 1: Look, I will say from my perspective, you know, I

609
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Speaker 1: do believe that if people are committing very serious crimes,

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Speaker 1: then they do need to face consequence to that. And

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Speaker 1: I know that we've got a message here that's come

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Speaker 1: through from Mac in Durragon. He said, Good morning, Katie

613
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Speaker 1: nt Labor have said that locking up youth is not

614
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Speaker 1: the solution, but youth having over one hundred involvements with

615
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Speaker 1: police proves that their solution doesn't work. At some point,

616
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Speaker 1: they either need to be locked up or they need

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Speaker 1: to get assistance and education. So you know, that's some

618
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Speaker 1: of the that's the sentiment within the community.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and look, and we saw that data come out

620
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Speaker 6: between from the Chief Minister about I can't remember the

621
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Speaker 6: exact numbers, but the interactions that they'd had with the

622
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Speaker 6: police force. But you know, there was no actual breakdown

623
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Speaker 6: of what the interaction was. An interaction could be that

624
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Speaker 6: a police goes up to a kid, hello, how are

625
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Speaker 6: you Are you okay?

626
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Speaker 7: Do you need assistance?

627
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Speaker 6: That's an interaction they need to be broken down, but

628
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Speaker 6: we haven't. They haven't been clear and open exactly what

629
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Speaker 6: those interactions are. But the ultimate ultimately, when I'm speaking

630
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Speaker 6: to people, I was at the Barry Swings Markets on Sunday,

631
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Speaker 6: a few people raised with me they were concerned about

632
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Speaker 6: kids being criminalized, being locked up in the justice system,

633
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Speaker 6: which they know people in the community know that's going

634
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Speaker 6: to be a revolving door, so they were quite concerned

635
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Speaker 6: about these laws. I'm speaking to people all over my lecture.

636
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Speaker 6: I haven't heard one person say to me they want

637
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Speaker 6: a ten or eleven year old kid locked up, but

638
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Speaker 6: been so.

639
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Speaker 1: To you that they want those that are committing offenses

640
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Speaker 1: to actually face consequence, because I think that's really.

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Speaker 6: We've got to look at the difference between a consequence

642
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Speaker 6: and criminalizing a ten year old kid. They're two different

643
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Speaker 6: arguments there. So do you con looking at.

644
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Speaker 1: A situation because I know what you said, they're about

645
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Speaker 1: the interactions with police, So I get what you're saying

646
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Speaker 1: about that, But do you did you also hear the

647
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Speaker 1: fact that I believe it was four of those children

648
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Speaker 1: actually had ankle monitoring bracelets on and were on bail.

649
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Speaker 1: That's really like, that's actually.

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Speaker 7: Something that kids where they lowered the age of criminals.

651
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Speaker 1: But you were talking, But you were talking then about

652
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Speaker 1: those interactions, and so that's.

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Speaker 7: Where I go back to the interactions for ten old kids.

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Speaker 6: The SEP actually haven't broken down what those interactions from.

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Speaker 2: The press release this week or from the kids that

656
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Speaker 2: the present, They weren't ten to eleven, they were thirteen.

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Speaker 3: So I think we need to get those facts correct

658
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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 2: Look, the bottom line is, I will repeat it, this

660
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Speaker 2: is not about putting ten, eleven, twelve for any kid

661
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Speaker 2: in prison in jail.

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Speaker 7: The age were responsibility.

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Speaker 2: If we can avoid at what we have had repeatedly

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Speaker 2: fed back to us from organizations, you try and deal

665
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Speaker 2: with these younger kids from the police who interact with

666
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Speaker 2: these kids, returning those kids to a responsible adult, which

667
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Speaker 2: is mythical. The responsible adult is the person they have

668
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Speaker 2: run away from in the first place. That is the

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Speaker 2: only option police have had up until now with those

670
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Speaker 2: young kids. But now we are putting a program in place,

671
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Speaker 2: and it's almost there where they can then actually take

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Speaker 2: that child somewhere safe where they can be fed, clothed,

673
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Speaker 2: and kept if it's in the middle of the night,

674
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Speaker 2: somewhere safe, somewhere to sleep, so that the next morning,

675
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Speaker 2: childrens and families can then come and work with that child,

676
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Speaker 2: that child's family, with that child's school and look to

677
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Speaker 2: see how we can actually get that kid off the

678
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: track that they're on. And the fact is, until you

679
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: can actually have a framework to make that happen, you

680
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: can talk about it till you're blue in the face.

681
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Speaker 2: It's really the revolving door that we're really seeing the

682
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Speaker 2: consequences of is taking that child back to the place

683
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Speaker 2: they're running away from.

684
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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to have to take another break.

685
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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

686
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Speaker 1: When we come back, we might take a bit of

687
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Speaker 1: a change of pace and talk a little bit about

688
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: this territory coordinator role. You are listening to the week

689
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Speaker 1: that was and look, a lot of discussion dominated this

690
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Speaker 1: morning by the crime that we saw throughout the week

691
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Speaker 1: as well as the prisons overflowing and the funding for

692
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Speaker 1: legal aid. But I do want to just head across

693
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Speaker 1: and have a bit of a chat about the Territory

694
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Speaker 1: Coordinator role.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: I know that the Opposition has raised some concerns about this,

697
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Speaker 1: saying that a secret document was uncovered that it's titled

698
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: the Territory Coordinator Consultation Paper. It's been quietly provided to

699
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: only a handful of stakeholders and it outlines the new

700
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: powers for ministers and the Territory Coordinator when approving projects,

701
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Speaker 1: including step in powers to undertake any assessment process and

702
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Speaker 1: make the final decision for that assessment. Now, Justine, you

703
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Speaker 1: and I spoke about this a little bit earlier in

704
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Speaker 1: the week. You've got some concerns around on this role

705
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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think the I mean, my first concern is

707
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Speaker 4: as always about process. As you said, this was a

708
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Speaker 4: consultation paper that was provided to we don't know who

709
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Speaker 4: we asked in Parliament. I'll tell you, yep, yeap. Now

710
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 4: it's now open and I just encourage anyone who wants

711
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Speaker 4: to have a look at it. It's you can get

712
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 4: hold of it. If you can't get hold of it,

713
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Speaker 4: get in touch with me. I'm happy to send it

714
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Speaker 4: to you. A lot of people have been asking me

715
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Speaker 4: for a copy of it so they can see what

716
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Speaker 4: it actually says. I'd be really interested to hear from

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Speaker 4: Robin about what the process is going to be from

718
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Speaker 4: here around consultation input in relation to it. I was

719
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Speaker 4: very happy to hear the Chief Minister say on the

720
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Speaker 4: radio earlier this week that it would not be rushed through,

721
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Speaker 4: that there is going to be time to properly consider it.

722
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Speaker 4: And the reason I'm happy to hear that is that

723
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Speaker 4: for me, these are actually.

724
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Speaker 3: Quite terrifying laws.

725
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Speaker 4: They or not laws, a proposal which vess like pretty

726
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 4: much unlimited power in an unelected bureaucrat to do things

727
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 4: that there is similar legislation and other places in Australia,

728
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Speaker 4: none of it goes this far. What you're just talking

729
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 4: about about the step not the step up, the powers

730
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Speaker 4: and the override powers. What that means from my understanding

731
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Speaker 4: of looking at it, is that really this person can

732
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Speaker 4: do pretty much whatever they want about whatever they want.

733
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Speaker 4: And so I've got really big concerns about that and

734
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Speaker 4: it's not just of course we've got concerns about the

735
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Speaker 4: impact of that on our environment and we need to

736
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Speaker 4: worry about that, but it's not only going to potentially.

737
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Speaker 3: Impact on an environment. That's going to impact on.

738
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Speaker 4: Things like worker safety, on air quality, on many things

739
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Speaker 4: like that. So I've got and people that I'm talking

740
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Speaker 4: to have really big concerns about it.

741
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Speaker 2: So it's not a secret consultation if you actually put

742
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Speaker 2: a consultation paper out to groups, and I can tell

743
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Speaker 2: you the groups, and it was four or five pages

744
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: of names and organizations that included the people like the

745
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 2: Land Council's Local Governments, Environment Protection Age and see Controller

746
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: for Water Resources, Heritage Council, Business, there's a whole list

747
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 2: of people who always have well memory, there's actually there's

748
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Speaker 2: more than twelve, but I can't give you the full

749
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Speaker 2: list because I don't have it in front of me.

750
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Speaker 2: But the reality is, as Justine's already said, it's legislation

751
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Speaker 2: that exists in other places, and we've talked about it

752
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Speaker 2: because we've talked about it consistently through the election campaign

753
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: that this was something that business and the reason we're

754
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: looking at this is because businesses have repeatedly said we

755
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 2: can't do.

756
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: Business in the territory because of the blockages.

757
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Speaker 2: And some of the examples are you might have a

758
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: project that will touch on five different departments and they

759
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: have to repeat the exact same process for every single department.

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Speaker 2: You might have projects that have Commonwealth regulations that replicate

761
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: our regulations, and so they meet the Commonwealth regulations, but

762
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Speaker 2: then they have to do the same thing again for

763
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Speaker 2: our regulation. So it's really about creating an environment where

764
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Speaker 2: business can actually stay.

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Speaker 3: On track for their projection. It's not about someone stepping

766
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: in and going I'm going to take over this process.

767
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Speaker 3: It's only when process is straw and we can't get

768
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Speaker 3: things progressed.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Look, let's be very clear here.

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Speaker 6: This wasn't made This paper wasn't put forward to the public.

771
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Speaker 6: It was only for a select group of organizations and businesses,

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Speaker 6: as Robin just laid out when the question was put

773
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Speaker 6: in Question Time last week. Lea tried to fluff around

774
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Speaker 6: it and say it was made public, but the fact

775
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 6: of the matter was the Territory Coordinator consultation paper wasn't

776
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Speaker 6: anywhere to be found online. Usually when you go and

777
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 6: do a consultation, it would go up online so that

778
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 6: the public can look at that then put submissions into

779
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 6: this paper. So what's very concerning is it wasn't made public.

780
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Speaker 6: It wasn't the government wasn't being transparent about this consultation paper.

781
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Speaker 6: And yet Lea's trying to say that she come out

782
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Speaker 6: now the leader of the opposition leader then able that

783
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 6: consultation paper alongside so it could be made public and

784
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 6: people could look at it.

785
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Speaker 7: Then I've never seen it before.

786
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Speaker 6: But then later that night the Chief Minister came in

787
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Speaker 6: and didn't the German to explain her government's position on this,

788
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Speaker 6: Like if it was made public there would have been

789
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Speaker 6: she wouldn't have come in to explain herself.

790
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Speaker 1: So there was something of it dodgy that had gone off.

791
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Speaker 3: Well, there was nothing dogie going on anywhere.

792
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 7: It's something that's been talked, was not made public.

793
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Speaker 2: I've worked in government in the past and it's not

794
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: unusual for an initial consultation to be done on a concept,

795
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: to get information together to then progress it.

796
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Speaker 3: So then I think what.

797
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Speaker 2: We really need to understand is that to do this

798
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: you've got to have a starting point, and there's never

799
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: been a secret made that this was something that was.

800
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Speaker 6: I'll just finish on the point that the submissions that

801
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 6: were going to be put into this paper were supposed

802
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 6: to be finished on the first of November, so that's today.

803
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 6: This was only found out last week. So the government

804
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 6: did have every intent to bring this consultation paper in

805
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 6: with a draft bill into November that no one had

806
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 6: ever seen except for a select group of people. Now

807
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 6: that it's been exposed, that's opened. That's opened it up

808
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 6: for the public to have a to have a look

809
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 6: at it, put their submissions in as well. But this

810
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 6: was definitely secret, secreted from the government and they were

811
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 6: definitely hiding it.

812
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 4: And can I I just said Rob, and I just

813
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 4: heard you say again that it's the beginning of a

814
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 4: consultation process. So I just want to I just want

815
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: to ask again, is this going to be brought on

816
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 4: urgency to the next Parliament. What is the process from

817
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 4: here for consultation and input into this bill.

818
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: Well, the process is that the feedback that we get

819
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: from the consultation will be taken into consideration to finalize

820
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: the drafting of the legislation, and then the legislation will

821
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: follow the normal course of business.

822
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 4: It might be past an urgency which is the normal

823
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 4: course of business is that things are not pushed through

824
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 4: on urgency.

825
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: So it will be available for people to review and

826
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Speaker 2: then it will follow the normal course of business, which

827
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Speaker 2: is tabling.

828
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Speaker 7: And then so when will it be introduced to Parliament?

829
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: Well, that will depend on the parliamentary time frame moment,

830
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Speaker 2: and that's out of my control.

831
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Speaker 6: Sorry, that's out of makeup on that point. It is

832
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 6: an out of your control. You're in government, you're a minister,

833
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 6: Well it's out of minister. So you will see the

834
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 6: draft paper come to cabinet, then it will be introduced

835
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Speaker 6: to Parliament. So when will it be introduced Apartment? We've

836
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Speaker 6: got sittings in November.

837
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Speaker 2: Will it be introduced in I can't tell you what

838
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 2: the schedule is for November.

839
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Speaker 1: At this point, I just want to say I think

840
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Speaker 1: it's going to be a tricky balance here because there

841
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: is no doubt that for the past several years there's

842
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: been no major projects get across the ground or get

843
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: off the ground. We've been told that there's a lot

844
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: of green shoots, but there doesn't seem to have been

845
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: a lot of action when it comes to you know,

846
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: different projects. And let's be real, if we want to

847
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 1: get the economy moving. We do need to get things

848
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: taken along. However, I think what needs to be what

849
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: we need to be quite careful about is you know,

850
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: it's all well and good to have a position like

851
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: this there and ready to go, and I think that

852
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: that's fair enough. The government was very open about that

853
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: throughout the election process. But we do need to make

854
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: sure that we're cautious or I guess that we've got

855
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: some really clear guidelines and not just guidelines, but some

856
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: regulations in place as to how this is going to work,

857
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: because you know, we don't want a situation where people

858
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: are overstepping the mark, or we get somebody in this

859
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: role who maybe doesn't do what is the expectation I

860
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: think everybody.

861
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Speaker 2: The critical thing is the Chief Ministers said that we're

862
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: not going to rush this. It is going to follow

863
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 2: the process. People are going to be able to have

864
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: the opportunity to have a look at it and feedback

865
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Speaker 2: on it. I don't have the schedule for this coming

866
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Speaker 2: sittings because it's still being finalized.

867
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Speaker 3: If I had it, I would tell you, but I

868
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Speaker 3: don't have it.

869
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Speaker 2: And the reality is, as you've just said, Katie, our

870
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: economy is stagnating, and I've actually talked to a lot

871
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: of business who are desperate to get things moving. And

872
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: I've also had the opportunity to talk to some of

873
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 2: our Asian neighbors in my portfolio of Asian relations, who

874
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: are so enthusiastic stick about doing business with us, but

875
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: have been very concerned in the past about how long

876
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: and how complicated it's been, and.

877
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 3: We can't afford to do that. We have to if

878
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 3: we want it.

879
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: We talk about kids and youth and crime and opportunities.

880
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: If there's no business happening, then there's no opportunities for

881
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: them as well. And repeatedly I've heard stories about big

882
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: corporations who've come in to do tendering projects for business

883
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: that has been on the table, who then engaged with

884
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: our local indigenous businesses, so they tick boxes about being

885
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: doing business with out indigenous community to only then come

886
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: in and not actually involve those businesses. So what we

887
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: want to do is make sure that there's absolute clarity

888
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: about what the expectations are. We want to make absolutely

889
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: certain that everyone knows how the process will work and

890
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 2: will make it so business know that if they commit,

891
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 2: then they're going to be able to deliver.

892
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 6: There is clarity on Aboriginal businesses. Now we have the

893
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 6: Northern Territory Indigenous Business Network with one of the procurement

894
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 6: policies around ensuring that they are Aboriginal businesses.

895
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 8: As Robin said that, we well, they certainly they the box,

896
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 8: they do the business.

897
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 6: They do, and we've seen that are being very successful

898
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 6: with nt IBN ensuring that it is an Aboriginal owned

899
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 6: businesses because we know when Aboriginal people, when Aboriginal businesses

900
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 6: operate well they operate, they will always employ Aboriginal people,

901
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 6: and that's what we're seeing through nt IBN to make

902
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 6: sure it's not just a tick inflict. They have very

903
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 6: clear processes in place to ensure that they are Aboriginal businesses.

904
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 6: So to come in here and blame Aboriginal businesses.

905
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: I wasn't blaming Aboriginal businesses. I was blaming the major

906
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: corporations who are actually not delivering on their commitment to

907
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: work with our Aboriginal businesses.

908
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: Which exactly do I.

909
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: Have to take a very quick break. The hour is

910
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: running out quickly. You are listening to Mix one O

911
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: four nine three sixty, you are listening to the week

912
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: that was, and look a lot of discussion, dominated this

913
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: morning by the crime that we saw throughout the week,

914
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: as well as the prisons overflowing and the funding for

915
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: legal aid. But I do want to just head across

916
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: and have a bit of a chat about the Territory

917
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: Coordinator role.

918
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: Now.

919
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: I know that the Opposition has raised some concerns about this,

920
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: saying that a secret document was uncovered that it's titled

921
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: the Territory Coordinator Consultation Paper. It's been quietly provided to

922
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: only a handful of stakeholders and it outlines the new

923
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: powers for ministers and the Territory Coordinator when approving projects,

924
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: including step in powers to undertake any assessment process and

925
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: make the final decision for that assessment. Now, Justine, you

926
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: and I spoke about this a little bit earlier in

927
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: the week. You've got some concerns around this role as well.

928
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think the I mean, my first concern is

929
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 4: as always about process. As you said, this was a

930
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 4: consultation paper that was provided to we don't know who

931
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 4: we asked in Parliament. I'll tell you yeah, yeah. Now

932
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 4: it's now open and I just encourage anyone who wants

933
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 4: to have a look at it. You can get hold

934
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 4: of it. If you can't get hold of it, get

935
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 4: in touch with me. I'm happy to send it to you.

936
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 4: A lot of people have been asking me for a

937
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 4: copy of it so they can see.

938
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: What it actually says.

939
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: I'd be really interested to hear from Robin about what

940
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 4: the process is going to be from here around consultation

941
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 4: and input in relation to it. I was very happy

942
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 4: to hear the Chief Minister say on the radio earlier

943
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 4: this week that it would not be rushed through, that

944
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 4: there was going to be time to properly consider it.

945
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 4: And the reason I'm happy to hear that is that

946
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 4: for me, these are actually quite terrifying laws. They are

947
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 4: not laws, a proposal which vests like pretty much unlimited

948
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 4: power in an unelected bureaucrat to do things that there

949
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 4: is similar legislation and other places in Austratia, none of

950
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 4: it goes this far.

951
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: What you're just talking about.

952
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 4: About the step, not the step up, the step in

953
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 4: powers and the override powers.

954
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 3: What that means from my understanding of.

955
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 4: Looking at it, is that really this person can do

956
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 4: pretty much whatever they want about whatever they want. And

957
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 4: so I've got really.

958
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: Big concerns about that.

959
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 4: And it's not just of course we've got concerns about

960
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 4: the impact of that on our environment, and we need

961
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 4: to worry about that. But it's not only going to

962
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 4: potentially impact on an environment. That's going to impact on

963
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 4: things like worker safety, on air quality, on many things

964
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 4: like that. So I've got and people that I'm talking

965
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 4: to have really big concerns about it.

966
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: So it's not a secret consultation if you actually put

967
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: a consultation paper out to groups, and I can tell

968
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 2: you the groups, and it was four five pages of

969
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: names and organizations that included people like the Land Council's

970
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 2: Local Governments, Environment Protection Agency, Controller for Water Resources, Heritage Council, Business,

971
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: there's a whole list of people who always well memory,

972
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: there's actually there's more than twelve, but I can't give

973
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: you the full list because I don't have it in

974
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: front of me. But the reality is, as Justine's already said,

975
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: it's legislation that exists in other places, and we've talked.

976
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 3: About it because legislation.

977
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: We've talked about it consistently through the election campaign that

978
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: this was something that business and the reason we're looking

979
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: at this is because businesses have repeatedly said we can't

980
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: do business in the territory because of the blockages, and

981
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: some of the examples are you might have a project

982
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: that would touch on five different departments and they have

983
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: to repeat the exact same process for every single department.

984
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 2: You might have projects that have Commonwealth regulations that replicate

985
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: our regulations, and so they meet the Commonwealth regulations, but

986
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: then they have to do the same thing again for

987
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 2: our regulation. So it's really about creating an environment where

988
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: business can actually stay on track for their projection. It's

989
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: not about someone stepping in and going I'm going to take.

990
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 3: Over this process. It's only when process is stall and

991
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 3: we can't get things progressed.

992
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: Sun.

993
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 7: Yeah.

994
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 6: Look, let's be very clear here. This wasn't made This

995
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 6: paper wasn't put forward to the public. It was only

996
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 6: for a select group of organizations and businesses, as Robin

997
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 6: just laid out when the question was put in Question

998
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 6: Time last week. Leah tried to fluff around it and

999
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 6: say it was made public, but the fact of the

1000
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 6: matter was the Territory Coordinated Consultation paper wasn't anywhere to

1001
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 6: be found online. Usually when you go and do a consultation,

1002
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 6: it would go up online so that the public can

1003
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 6: look at that then put submissions into this paper. So

1004
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 6: what's very concerning is it wasn't made public. It wasn't

1005
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 6: the government wasn't being transparent about this consultation paper, and

1006
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 6: yet Lea's trying to say that she come out now

1007
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 6: the leader of the opposition leader then tabled that consultation

1008
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 6: paper alongside so it could be made public and people

1009
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 6: could look at it.

1010
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 7: Then I've never seen it before.

1011
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 6: But then later that night the Chief Minister came in

1012
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 6: and didn't a German to explain her government's position on this,

1013
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 6: Like if it was made public there would have been

1014
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 6: she wouldn't have come in to explain herself.

1015
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: It was bit dodgy that had gone off.

1016
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 3: Well, there was nothing dogie going on anywhere. It's something

1017
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: that's been taught.

1018
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 7: Was it not made public.

1019
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 2: I've worked in government in the past and it's not

1020
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: unusual for an initial consultation to be done on a concept,

1021
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: to get information together to then progress it.

1022
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: So then I think what.

1023
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: We really need to understand is that to do this,

1024
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 2: you've got to have a starting point, and there's never

1025
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: been a secret made that this was something that.

1026
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 5: Was I'll just finish on the point that the submissions

1027
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 5: that were going to be put into this paper was

1028
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 5: supposed to be finished on the first of November.

1029
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 6: So that's today. This was only found out last week.

1030
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 6: So the government did have every intent to bring this

1031
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 6: consultation paper in with a draft bill into November that

1032
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 6: no one had ever seen except for a select group

1033
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 6: of people. Now that it's been exposed, that's opened. It's

1034
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 6: opened it up for the public to have a have

1035
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 6: a look at it, put their submissions in as well.

1036
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 6: But this was definitely secret, secreted from government and they

1037
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 6: were definitely hiding it.

1038
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 4: And can I just say, Rob, and I just heard

1039
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 4: you say again that it's the beginning of a consultation process,

1040
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 4: So I just want to I just want to ask again,

1041
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 4: is this going to be brought on urgency to the

1042
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 4: next Parliament. What is the process from here for consultation

1043
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 4: and input into this bill.

1044
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: Well, the process is that the feedback that we get

1045
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 2: from the consultation will be taken into consideration to finalize

1046
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: the drafting of the legislation, and then the legislation will

1047
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: follow the normal course of business.

1048
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 4: Past an urgency, which which is the normal course of

1049
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 4: business is that things are not pushed through on urgency.

1050
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: So it will be available for people to review and

1051
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: then it will follow the normal course of business, which

1052
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 2: is tabling.

1053
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 7: And then so when will it be introduced to Parliament?

1054
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 2: Well, that will depend on the parliamentary time frame moment,

1055
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: and that's.

1056
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 3: Out of my control.

1057
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 6: Sorry, that's out of my point. It isn't out of

1058
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 6: your control. You're in government, you're a minister. Well, it's

1059
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 6: a minister. So you will see the draft paper come

1060
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 6: to Cabinet, then it will be introduced to parliament. So

1061
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 6: when will it be introduced apartment we've got settings in November?

1062
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: Will it be introduced in I can't tell you what

1063
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: the schedule is for November.

1064
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: At this point, I just want to say I think

1065
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: it's going to be a tricky balance here because there

1066
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: is no doubt that for the past several years there's

1067
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: been no major projects get across the ground or get

1068
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: off the ground. We've been told that there's a lot

1069
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: of green shoots, but there doesn't seem to have been

1070
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: a lot of action when it comes to you know,

1071
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: different projects. And let's be real, if we want to

1072
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: get the economy moving, we do need to get things

1073
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: taken along. However, I think what needs to be. What

1074
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: we need to be quite careful about is you know,

1075
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: it's all well and good to have a position like

1076
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: this there and ready to go, and I think that

1077
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: that's fair enough. The government was very open about that

1078
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: throughout the election process. But we do need to make

1079
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: sure that we're cautious or I guess that we've got

1080
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: some really clear guidelines and not just guidelines, but some

1081
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: regulations in place as to how this is going to work,

1082
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: because you know, we don't want a situation where people

1083
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: are overstepping the mark or we get somebody in this

1084
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,919
Speaker 1: role who maybe doesn't do what is the expectation.

1085
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 3: I think everybody. The critical thing is the Chief minsitsis

1086
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: said that we're not going to rush this. It is

1087
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: going to follow the process.

1088
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: People are going to be able to have the opportunity

1089
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: to have a look at it and feedback on it.

1090
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: I don't have the schedule for this coming sittings because

1091
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: it's still being finalized.

1092
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 3: If I had it, I would tell you, but I

1093
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 3: don't have it.

1094
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: And the reality is is you've just said, Katie, our

1095
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: economy is stagnating, and I've actually talked to a lot

1096
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: of business who are desperate to get things moving. And

1097
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: I've also had the opportunity to talk to some of

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00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: our Asian neighbors in my portfolio of Asian relations, who

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00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 2: are so enthusiastic about doing business with us, but have

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00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: been very concerned in the past about how long and

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00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 2: how complicated it's been, and.

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Speaker 3: We can't afford to do that. We have to if

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00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: we want it.

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00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: We talk about kids and youth and crime and opportunities.

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00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: If there's no business happening, then there's no opportunities for

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00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,479
Speaker 2: them as well. And repeatedly I've heard stories about big

1107
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 2: corporations who've come in to do tendering projects for business

1108
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: that has been on the table, who then engaged with

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00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: our local indigenous businesses, so they tick boxes about being

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00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 2: doing business without indigenous community to only then come in

1111
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: and not actually involve those businesses. So what we want

1112
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: to do is make sure that there's absolute clarity about

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00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 2: what the expectations are. We want to make absolutely certain

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00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: that everyone knows how the process will work and will

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00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 2: make it so business know that if they commit, then

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00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: they're going to be able to deliver.

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00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 6: There is there is clarity on Aboriginal businesses. Now we

1118
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 6: have the Northern Territory Indigenous Business Network with one of

1119
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 6: the procurement policies around ensuring that they are Aboriginal businesses.

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Speaker 8: As Robin said that, we well, they certainly they the box,

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00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 8: but then they don't do the business.

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00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: They don't the.

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Speaker 6: Business they do, and we've seen that are being very

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00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 6: successful with NTIBN ensuring that it is an Aboriginal line

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00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 6: businesses because we know when Aboriginal people, when Aboriginal businesses

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00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 6: operate well they operate, they will employ Aboriginal people and

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00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 6: that's what we're seeing through nto IBN to make sure

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00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 6: it's not just a tick inflict. They have very clear

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00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 6: processes in place to ensure that they are Aboriginal businesses.

1130
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 6: So to come in here and blame Aboriginal businesses.

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00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 2: I wasn't blaming Aboriginal businesses. I was blaming the major

1132
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: corporations who are actually not delivering on their commitment to

1133
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: work with our Aboriginal businesses.

1134
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: Exactly, you don't have to take a very quick break.

1135
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: The hour is running out quickly. You are listening to

1136
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: Mix one O four nine's three sixty before I let

1137
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 1: you all go, what do we make of the Anthony

1138
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: Albanezy flight upgrade situation. Do you think it was interesting?

1139
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: It's a bit of silence.

1140
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I don't know. I mean I always whenever.

1141
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 2: I fly ACU, sometimes I steal points from my husband.

1142
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: I always put in for an upgrade if I can,

1143
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: just for sheer comfort. But I think it depends on

1144
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: the circumstances. And I understand there's been some more information

1145
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: come out on that, and I think, you know, as.

1146
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 3: A politician, you have to be careful.

1147
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: But if you're doing a lot of travel and you

1148
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: actually form relationships, sometimes you can't actually control what the

1149
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: airlines do they give.

1150
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: They'll maybe give you an upgrade, Yeah, which is hard.

1151
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: What did you make of it directly?

1152
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 6: I look, it definitely opened up worms every politician and

1153
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 6: it just shows that, you know, we do need to

1154
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 6: be diligent and watching what we're doing when we are traveling.

1155
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 6: So I think it's, you know, it can only be

1156
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 6: a good thing. It's it's it opens it up, It

1157
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 6: makes it transparent, a bit more transparent.

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00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 7: I'll tighten those rules up.

1159
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean exactly, let's just be we should all

1160
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 4: be accountable, transparent for everything out there so we can see. Yeah,

1161
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 4: I just want to say one little thing about the

1162
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 4: New Territory show.

1163
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:39,479
Speaker 3: So I don't know if.

1164
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 4: I've watched one episode a little bit of it, but

1165
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 4: and I know that Tourism and Tee is planning to

1166
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 4: do some work based on that.

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00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: That's exactly why.

1168
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 4: We need to be really concerned about this new Territory

1169
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 4: Coordinator bill because that is putting that's a bit of

1170
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 4: a stretch from Territory, this show Territory Coordinator.

1171
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 3: People look at that, look at the paper.

1172
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 4: It says the most important criteria is looking at economic development.

1173
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 4: And what that show is celebrating is what our incredible

1174
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 4: environment nature, what brings people here as a priority. So

1175
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 4: an environment will always always be one of the main

1176
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 4: or if not the main concern for the for our government,

1177
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 4: because this is our territory, this is our life.

1178
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 3: We absolutely value it.

1179
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 4: The main thing to talk about is economic, economic prosperity

1180
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 4: and development at the moment in that consultation paper. So

1181
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 4: there's a question that sits there around that for me,

1182
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 4: have you.

1183
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 1: Watched Territory yet?

1184
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 7: Have you finished it? Finished?

1185
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 6: I had a bit in this weekend over the weekend

1186
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 6: and watch two episodes of Night so I won't get

1187
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 6: by the ending.

1188
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 7: But I do think there will be another series to come,

1189
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 7: just Territory.

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00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 3: But it's doing really well.

1191
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 7: It's number one.

1192
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: How amazing is that?

1193
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 7: Very good?

1194
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 6: But yeah, and a big shout out to some of

1195
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 6: the actors and be on the scenes. I know there

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00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 6: was a lot of people from Daily River community know

1197
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 6: you in the movie and they're very proud. So I

1198
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 6: constantly popping up on Facebook and people are very proud

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00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 6: to be on that movie.

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00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 7: But yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: An investment for amazing return.

1202
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely well. Thank you all so very much for

1203
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: your time this morning this morning. Justin Davis, independent for Johnson,

1204
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. Robin Carl member

1205
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: for Port Darwin and also minister for various portfolios, Thank

1206
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: you very much for your team this morning. And Doran Young,

1207
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: member for Daily and member for the Labor Party and

1208
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: opposition spokesperson for lots of different portfolios.

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00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 6: It's a big list, but thanks for having me on

1210
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 6: and thanks again. I think it's my second time with

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00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 6: both Robin and Justine.

1212
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 7: Thank you.

1213
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: We're all we're all going to park Run tomorrow.

1214
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 3: What's the.

1215
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 4: Mosquito to wait and say good on you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all so much for your time