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Speaker 1: Dumb Mission with Jones and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: When I was pregnant the first time, there was a

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Speaker 2: book that absolutely got me through. It was funny, it

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Speaker 2: was informative, it was wonderful. It was written by Kaz Cook.

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Speaker 2: It was called Up the Dust. So anything Kaz Cook

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Speaker 2: has written ever since, I can't wait to get my

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Speaker 2: hands on. She has a new book. It's called You're

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Speaker 2: Doing It Wrong and it's a history of bad and

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Speaker 2: Bonker's advice to women. Are there any questions?

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Speaker 3: Are there any Kaz Cook?

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Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, rightful to be here.

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Speaker 2: I'm so nice to talk.

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Speaker 3: And reading the book Kas is all these statements made

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Speaker 3: by men over the years, and I'm just flicking through

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Speaker 3: it and I'm thinking, please not, please, let me not

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Speaker 3: be in this book.

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Speaker 1: Please beatty old Aristotle and doctor cigar pants Freud and

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Speaker 1: all these whacker philosophers who've been telling women that we

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Speaker 1: should be quiet and sures and sit in the corner

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Speaker 1: and there's something wrong with us.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, something was always wrong with us.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just even flicking through. Women weren't even allowed

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Speaker 2: to eat that was unseemly to be seen to eat

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Speaker 2: in public.

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Speaker 1: No, it's quite remarkable, won't you think about it? The

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Speaker 1: shorthand way to think about it is, what does.

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Speaker 4: Lady like mean?

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Speaker 1: We were told we weren't allowed to laugh in public,

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Speaker 1: we weren't to smile, but if we didn't smile, we

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Speaker 1: were told we had resting bee face.

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Speaker 4: I'm think you know where I'm going there.

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Speaker 1: So you know, if there was something wrong with us,

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Speaker 1: we were hysterical. Women were even told they couldn't be

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Speaker 1: in Olympic ski jumping teams because the uteruses would fall

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Speaker 1: out until about twenty years ago. I mean that talk

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Speaker 1: about we've got quite a good grip on our uterus,

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Speaker 1: they don't seem to have quite a good grip on reality.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're told to do everyone's housework, to do

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Speaker 1: the same work for less pay.

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Speaker 4: And the perfect mother stuff.

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Speaker 1: Amanda, you know you were supposed to you were supposed

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Speaker 1: to wheel your baby into a paddock in a pram

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Speaker 1: and leave it there all afternoon, just to strengthen its lungs. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, so much of this advice was not only

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Speaker 1: crazy but contradictory. If you wear makeups, you're TARTI. But

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Speaker 1: if you don't wear makeup, you let yourself go.

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Speaker 4: You dreadful frump, and so.

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Speaker 1: Much of it's still here. So we had cages made

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Speaker 1: of metal, crinolines they were called, and bustles to change

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Speaker 1: our shape, and now the Kardashians are doing it with latex.

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Speaker 2: So and surgery.

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Speaker 3: Are we moving forward, then, Kaz? That begs the question, God.

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Speaker 1: Question JONESI I think we are, although the book is

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Speaker 1: funny but furious, because I think we need to move

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Speaker 1: further faster. And I think what's in our favor is

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Speaker 1: fantastic new generation of young people, both young women and

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Speaker 1: young men, and.

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Speaker 4: Dads are really much.

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Speaker 1: We've got so many more better dads now who are

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Speaker 1: supporting their kids and equality and wanting better things for

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Speaker 1: their girls. And so I think those things are incredibly positive.

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Speaker 1: But we're still you know, girls are still being told

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Speaker 1: that their body shape is wrong and whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is, he's got to spend some

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Speaker 1: money on fixing it.

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Speaker 4: Sell your like, for example, was a.

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Speaker 1: Word invented by a man in the nineteen twenties to

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Speaker 1: sell us stuff.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that incredible?

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Speaker 1: I don't know that before I started researching the book.

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Speaker 1: It's not a medical word, it's not an anatomy. Word.

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Speaker 1: It's a word that someone made up so he could

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Speaker 1: sell jars of stuff to fix something that almost all

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Speaker 1: women have.

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Speaker 4: Just natural wow.

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Speaker 2: And so what are some of the other things that

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Speaker 2: shocked you in your research.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know if you're old enough, but older

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Speaker 1: mums and dads, you know, grandparents will remember the phrase

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Speaker 1: have a bax and a good lie down.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, My mum used to tap it onto her

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Speaker 2: tongue every day. Was it was a preemptive headache tabla

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Speaker 2: powder in case you got a headache. Perfect marketing, but

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Speaker 2: gave everyone kidney disease, didn't it.

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Speaker 1: It gave people cancer, Amanda, and women were told to

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Speaker 1: settle down, don't be sad about the fact that you're

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Speaker 1: not a lad out of the house, that you had

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Speaker 1: to lose your job when you got married.

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Speaker 4: That's how things were then.

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Speaker 1: And they were given this incredibly addictive headache powder which

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Speaker 1: was a caffeine and a painkiller, and some of women

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Speaker 1: were taking thirty of them a day Wow until it

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Speaker 1: got banned. So you know, I mean that stuff just

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Speaker 1: blows your mind. But some of it's just hilarious. Like

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Speaker 1: I did a deep dive into our archives at the

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Speaker 1: National Library and the State Libraries New South Wales.

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Speaker 4: And found amazing things are furry bra.

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Speaker 1: A calculator for your body shape, which is just this

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Speaker 1: giant cardboard dial, but you, I mean just some of

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Speaker 1: it is so hilarious. And the gorgeous, big stout ladies

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Speaker 1: in corsets and suspenders, and fabulous photos of crazy hats

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Speaker 1: that were meant to make your waist look smaller, and

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Speaker 1: you know, just absolutely but also women who did great things,

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Speaker 1: you know, like women who became the first pilots, and

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Speaker 1: women who were scientists and invented stuff but were then

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Speaker 1: sort of pushed to the background and we sort of

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Speaker 1: forgot about them and we didn't write about them.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, no, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was fun but also inferiating very bra very bra

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Speaker 1: are interesting that you should focus on that.

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Speaker 3: What's that all about?

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Speaker 4: There is it's part of the.

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Speaker 1: Burly collection in the New South Wales State Library and

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Speaker 1: it is a bra with mink trim. And I must

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Speaker 1: say it's looking a little bit tired in the elastic

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Speaker 1: department these days, but what a fabulous item. That was

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Speaker 1: something that women were told would make them look glamorous

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Speaker 1: and it costs something like I'm going to forget the

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Speaker 1: exact it was something like twenty six guineas.

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Speaker 4: It was terribly glamorous.

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Speaker 3: And you wear this very you wear this very brow

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Speaker 3: when you're out on the streets, and.

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Speaker 2: People under your clothes presumable.

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Speaker 3: And that sex.

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Speaker 1: No, it actually was the very first out weear Madonna

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Speaker 1: style over your blouse.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they actually, I think.

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Speaker 1: It was Burley being very clever with their marketing. But

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Speaker 1: we were the only companies that had women who had

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Speaker 1: designers and executives and who'd been you know, wing commanders

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Speaker 1: in the war. And yeah, so I had a ball

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Speaker 1: doing all that research and finding all these gorgeous things.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's such a great read. Kaz Cook's book You're

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Speaker 3: Doing It All Wrong is in all good bookstores now,

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Speaker 3: just in time for Christmas, which is always great.

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Speaker 2: Kaz. It's always a treat to talk to you. Thank

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Speaker 2: you lovely.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, take care by Jonesy and Amanda's