1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy, Kate and 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: That is so fetch Thank you. Welcome back to another 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: episode of Outspoken. Tonight. We're recording at Kate's house. It's 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: a Saturday night and we're all cozied up on the 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: couch with the fire on, and I've got to say, Kate, 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: You've been a fantastic host so far. Thank you. I 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: do appreciate that. I know this is the first time 12 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: I've actually had the podcast at my house, so I 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: thought i'd better turn it on for you guys. It 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,520 Speaker 1: was funny, kay, because you momentarily turned into a seventy 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: year old Hills residence because you were peering out the 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: window because you could hear music, and you were like, 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: is that a party going on or a Saturday night? Well, 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: I felt like I promised you all that it would 19 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: be nice and quiet and a great place to record, 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: and I did momentarily turn into my father. I've got 21 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: to say, on my father's daughter, are you making sure 22 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: that no one's parking out the front of your house 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: in your prime position as well? No, I don't have 24 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: a problem with that at the moment. I do have 25 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: a park right out the front. But I do you 26 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: know what, I probably would be pissed off if someone 27 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: took it. That's a warning to you guys. I had 28 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: to laugh today because we also spent the day together 29 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: and we caught up with our nana and for some reason, 30 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: we got onto the topic of Love Island. I love 31 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: how you say, for some reason, like it's not the 32 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: highlight of our lives at the moment. This television show 33 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: have to fill Nana in on what's going on exactly. 34 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: And so Nana's eighty seven and she's in a nursing 35 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: home and our mum was there visiting her as well, 36 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: and we were explaining the concept of Love Island because stranger, 37 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: she's never seen it, and it sort of blew her 38 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: mind a little bit. And we did have to fill 39 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: her in on the sad news that Brad has left 40 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: Love Island. That's a bit of a spoiler there for 41 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: those who haven't caught up. I'm still recovering from the 42 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: shock of it all. Well, for context, we decided to 43 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: show Nana a photo of Brad and her response was hilarious. 44 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't what I was expecting. So she thought that 45 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: Brad looked like our uncle Andy, who's sixty years old. 46 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: She has had cataracts surgery recently. I think she might 47 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: need to go back in and have it. No no 48 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: offense to her. Uncle Andy's a beautiful man, but they 49 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: don't look alive. But then, at a second glance of 50 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: Brad again, she also thought that he looked like her father. Well, 51 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: I mean that's I I would feel pretty good if 52 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: I was uncle Andy and our great grandpa Jack, I'd 53 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: be I'd be pretty happy with that. 54 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: At the end of day, someone's going to be the 55 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: most attraclerve and someone's going to be the least a tractive. 56 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: There's nothing he can do about that. But everyone's opinions different. 57 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: In my opinion, that's what it was. I went and 58 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,839 Speaker 2: done that, you know what I mean? Someone hurt a taaket. 59 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: After months of speculation, Chloe zep revealed she is anti 60 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: lockdown and a COVID conspiracist. On Friday, the Queensland influencer 61 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: took to her Instagram to share she could no longer 62 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: keep her mouth shut on the topic. So what did 63 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: she say? So? Chloe shared a post on an Instagram 64 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: story that said, you know what, I've kept my man 65 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: shut and I easily could keep it shut. The lockdowns 66 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: haven't affected me physically, financially or mentally, so there is 67 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: no personal agenda here apart from the fact that I 68 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: do not support what is going on. The solution is 69 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: officially worse than the problem, and to the individuals personally 70 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: suffering through all of this bullshit and have for the 71 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: last year, my heart goes out to you. My entire 72 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: newsfeed is filled with family, friends, small businesses, all suffering 73 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: right now. But from the solution, what my newsfeed isn't 74 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: full of is people with the problem. Chloe then tagged 75 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: her partner Mitch Orvill in the post, who then shared 76 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: it to his own followers. Well, she didn't stop there. 77 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: She also shared a quote saying the worst part of 78 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: censorship is everything is fine at trust your government, and 79 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: in that post there were all different words blacked out. 80 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: She also posted a question box and asked, how do 81 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: you feel about what's going on in the world, and 82 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: she added the caption why should anyone stay quiet about 83 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: what's going on? It's our basic human right to have 84 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: freedom as well as a freedom of choice. This is 85 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: not the new normal, and I'm happy to stand for 86 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: our basic human rights. Interestingly, on Friday night, Chloe deleted 87 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: her original post, but Mitch kept his up on his feed. 88 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: I can imagine she was getting a lot of backlash 89 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: from that original post, and we will go into it 90 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: further because it did really anger me. This post. I 91 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: think though, it's important to kind of set the scene 92 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: about what's been going on in Chloe's life, because I 93 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: really feel for the last year or so, there have 94 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: been a lot of rumors circulating about Chloe being anti 95 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: vax Now these rumors have stemmed from Chloe moving into 96 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: the wellness space. So she has launched a sort of 97 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: meditation and wellness app called Bloom and she also recently 98 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: launched a website called well Web. So for a lot 99 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: of people, Chloe is a bit of a professional in 100 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: the wellness space, despite not having any qualifications on the 101 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: topic well. I think the rumors really started to heighten 102 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: after the birth of her son Erti. People seem to 103 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: notice that she and Mitch didn't publicize any of Artie's vaccinations, 104 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: despite the fact that they shared a lot about the 105 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: other Miles Stones in his life. Well, that actually came 106 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: to a point where Celeb's spellcheck was questioned whether she 107 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: thought Mitch and Chloe were anti vaxers, and then Mitch 108 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: and Chloe hid out on their YouTube and said, no, 109 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: we've just been looking into it ourselves, and yes, we 110 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: are going to get Artie vaccinated. However, we're currently building 111 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: his immune system up. Got to love all the influencers 112 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: that we're like, I'm just looking into it myself, doctor 113 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: Google I started doing. That's the biggest indicator. When anyone 114 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: says I'm doing my own research, they may as well 115 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: just say straight out I'm an anti vaxer. And the 116 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: thing is, even though they said they weren't anti vaxx 117 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: and they were going to give Arti his vaccinations, they 118 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: never actually confirmed that they had done it or documented 119 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: it on their social media channels. What was really disturbing 120 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: is recently Artie was sick and he had a really 121 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: high temperature and instead of you know, getting a doctor 122 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: involved or giving him panadol. Chloe used apple side of 123 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: vinegar to try and bring the temperature down naturally, and 124 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: he ended up having to be rushed to hospital because 125 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: the temperature got that high. And as we discussed in 126 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: a recent episode, Chloe was also caught out supporting a 127 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: hair salon owner who announced she was banning anyone who 128 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: received the COVID nineteen vaccine. Her sister Kate Zepp has 129 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: also been incredibly outspoken on this topic. She called people's 130 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: sheep recently for believing in COVID nineteen and she's also 131 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: called the vaccine poison and denied the existence of the virus. 132 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: Do you guys think that Chloe might have come out 133 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: with her comment considering she was hanging out with her 134 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: sister Kate on Thursday because Kate shared a post of 135 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: her and Chloe with their babies and they were in 136 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: a lift and she captured the photo family with a 137 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: little love heart and added ps, I had to wear 138 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: the mask around my wrist to enter this building. Now, 139 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: Chloe and Kate were both not wearing masks. I'm sorry, 140 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: but it's actually mandatory to wear the mask on your face, 141 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: not around your wrist when you're entering an apartment. Well, 142 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: kate Zep's also been calling out people for not talking 143 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: out about COVID as well. Yeah, so I wonder if 144 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: she's kind of gotten Chloe's ear and guilt tripp duringto 145 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: saying something we did hypothesize a couple of weeks ago 146 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: when we were talking about what kate Zep said. That 147 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: may maybe she was annoyed at Chloe for not speaking 148 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: her truth about the topic because she's got a much 149 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: bigger following than her, but she's also got heaps more 150 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: to lose from voicing her opinion. Yeah, but it's pretty 151 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: I feel like it's pretty obvious. If you've got a 152 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: close family member that is willing to put their name 153 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: to it, you probably do believe it unless you come 154 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: out and say that you are anti it. Yeah, if 155 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: I were shouting from the rooftops that COVID nineteen was 156 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: all the scam, I think people would assume that you 157 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: guys thought the same. That's right. Well, what has the 158 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: reaction been like online, Kate? Well, it's interesting because Chloe 159 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: actually decided to post this statement as an Instagram stories, 160 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: probably to reduce the backclash she received on her actual feed. Well, 161 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: it's not the most visually appealing photo on her feet close. Yeah, 162 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: but I do think that the decision was made not 163 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: to post it as an Instagram feed post because that 164 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: is where a lot of commentary does come in and 165 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: it's really hard to moderate that, whereas I do believe 166 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: her inbox would have been inundated with people against what 167 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: she had to say. It is interesting when you look 168 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: at social Blade though, because over the last thirty days, 169 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: Chloe has lost three thousand, six hundred followers. So on 170 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: Friday when she shared the Instagram story, she lost nine 171 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty eight followers, and then the following day 172 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: on Saturday, she lost eight hundred and ninety seven. So 173 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: Mitch also shared the post, and he has lost six 174 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty followers over the last thirty days, and 175 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: then on Friday he lost two hundred and thirty and 176 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: then on Saturday sixty eight. Now, while these are big numbers, 177 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: I feel like in comparison to their massive following, it's 178 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: not that many. That Bank said, I really feel like 179 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: the tide is turning on this couple. People are frustrated, 180 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: particularly those in Sydney and Melbourne who who know or 181 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: have family members who were suffering from COVID nineteen, like 182 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: this is a very real virus, and it makes me 183 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: so mad that these people are diminishing what is going 184 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: on at the moment. I was really disappointed in Chloe's 185 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: post because I've been following her for a couple of 186 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: years now, and to begin with, she was really likable. 187 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: There wasn't really anything wrong with what she was posting. However, 188 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: in the last year or so, I've really noticed this 189 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: shift about her being very problematic. And while I feel 190 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: like we've known for a while these were her views, 191 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: I was somewhat impressed that she had decided to keep 192 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: her opinion to herself. However, to push this anti lockdown 193 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: and anti vaccine propaganda to her young and impressional followers 194 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: is extremely disappointed and it deserves an unfollowed That's why 195 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: so many people have unfollowed her. I really disliked the 196 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: way that Chloe uses the word solution in her post, 197 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: and she's saying that the solution of COVID that the 198 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: government is using at the moment is lockdowns. I'm sorry, 199 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: the solution is vaccinations, and she's been completely misleading in 200 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: this post. The lockdowns are a short term solution to 201 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: stopping spreading this, but the long term solution is vaccinations, 202 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: and she is completely anti vaxed. So I'm sorry, but 203 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: if you want people to get out of this position 204 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: that they're in in regard to those with small businesses, 205 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: those with mental health issues, I'm sorry, but we need 206 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: to be encouraged everyone to roll at this sleet and 207 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: get vaccinated. And you've only got to look at the 208 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,479 Speaker 1: UK and what's happening in Europe and also in America 209 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: to see just how serious COVID nineteen is and to say, oh, 210 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: but I don't see anyone with it in my news feeds. 211 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: That's because the government has actually been handling it extremely well. 212 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: It's only up until now that we've seen things explode 213 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: in Sydney. Well obviously, obviously there is contenson over whether 214 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: the government has done enough to get enough vaccines, but 215 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: in regards to keeping people safe, I think these lockdowns 216 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: have been one of the only solutions that they've had. Yeah, 217 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: it's quite clear that Chloe is coming from a complete 218 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: place of privilege because she's currently based in Queensland, where 219 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: the effect of COVID has been quite mild in comparison 220 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: to Victoria and other places in the world. And while 221 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: Chloe may not have been personally affected by the pandemic, 222 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: the effect continues to be devastating for millions of people 223 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: around the world. So over four million people have died 224 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: because of COVID, and the most deaths have been recorded 225 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: in the US, with six hundred eight thousand people sadly 226 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: losing their lives to COVID. So, as you said, Amy, 227 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: in comparison, in Australia we have sadly lost nine hundred 228 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: and twelve people's lives, but that is nothing compared to 229 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: America and India. So when you look at those stats, 230 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that the government has done a very 231 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: good job at managing the pandemic and lockdowns work at 232 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: stopping the spread. And while I do understand that lockdowns 233 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: are devastating for a lot of people mentally, emotionally and financially, 234 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: they do save lives and hopefully this is something that 235 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: we won't have to see, as you said, if people 236 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: get vaccinated. I mean, the thing is, Sophie, and I 237 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: understand the impacts on business. We run a small business 238 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: and it was not a great year last year due 239 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: to lockdowns, so it can completely sympathize with people who 240 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: might be questioning, oh my gosh, what are we going 241 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: to do? We're lockdown for this period of time, but 242 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's to keep people safe. 243 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: And it's people's grandparents that are dying from COVID. But 244 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: I'm not just grandparents. I'm sorry. There's like a handful 245 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: of people who are in their twenties and thirties in 246 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: I see you at the moment hooked up to ventilators. 247 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: If we just say, okay, no lockdowns, let people continue 248 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: walking around in public as they are. The hospitals are 249 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: going to fill up so fast and we're not going 250 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: to have any ventilators to keep people alive. Yeah, it 251 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: just annoys me, and I just think it's extremely selfish 252 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: of Chloe to presume just because her life hasn't been 253 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: touched by COVID, it mustn't exist, and because it's not 254 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 1: on social media, it mustn't exist. How about you turn 255 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: off your phone and watch the news and see how 256 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: it exists in the world. It's amazing how many people 257 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: they can find on social media that have somehow been 258 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: affected by astrozenica or by firezer vaccine. I mean, they 259 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: can google those stats where they can't even google, oh 260 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: what does the hospital look like in the UK last year? 261 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: And the thing that is coming from such a place 262 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: of privilege as well is her saying that she hasn't 263 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: been physically, financially or mentally affected at all by the lockdown. 264 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. Just starting off with that, it's like, Okay, well, 265 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: why are you having such a comment on it. Her 266 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: business would be bloody booming online businesses. Well, I suppose 267 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: I think she was saying that because she was saying 268 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: that she's very empathetic to people who have been affected 269 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: by it. But yeah, it just doesn't sit well with 270 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: me at all. I didn't personally see much empathy for 271 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: people who'd either gone through COVID themselves or had family 272 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: members who died from COVID. I don't at all agree 273 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: with anything that she said in this post. I'm just 274 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: saying I think that she may have watched that video 275 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: that went viral and thought because it was hard not 276 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: to watch that video and feel something. While I didn't 277 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: agree with a lot of what was said, I definitely 278 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: felt sorry for that woman. And I do think that 279 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: mental health and suicide is going to be a very 280 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: big issue after this. The whole point of that video 281 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: was though she needed to call for more government support 282 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: for people who are sole traders. It's not about, oh, 283 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: let's open it all up and my life's just as 284 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: important as this person's. I think she missed them out there. 285 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm really hoping this isn't something that we see other 286 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: influencers doing in a bid to kind of boost engagement 287 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: on their posts and try to stand for something. I 288 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: feel it's incredibly damaging for Chloe's brown. I wonder if 289 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: she has lost any brand deals since hitting out like this. Well, 290 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: would you if you owned a brand, would you think 291 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: twice about giving Chloe Zet money to promote? Definitely? Definitely. 292 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: I would not want to be connected with any sort 293 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: of anti vax, anti lockdown movement at all. Oh yeah, 294 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 1: exactly right. I think she's in a privileged position though, 295 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: where she does own her own brand and she's not 296 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: relying so much on brand deals to come in. It's 297 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: just really frustrating because I feel like there are quite 298 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: a few influencers now that are sharing this viewpoint with Chloe. 299 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: Do you think it's because they're so out of touch 300 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: with the real world, or do you think it could 301 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: be something to do with the fact that they've got 302 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: so much time to google this type of stuff. I 303 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: think at the moment it is quite on trend to 304 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: question things and be quite critical of the government. Also, 305 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: a lot of young people don't want to be locked 306 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: up because they assume that this illness is something that 307 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: only affects older people. So I feel like a lot 308 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: of young influencers have a very selfish mindset that because 309 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't directly affect them and their friends, that they 310 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: don't really care about them. Do you think it's this? Also, 311 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: because chloe'sf is kind of in the health and fitness 312 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: wellness space, that a lot of other wellness influencers sort 313 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: of have the same opinions as her, and that's why 314 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of online because they're in that 315 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: wellness space. I think it's because people have access to 316 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: the Internet and all these other opinions, and they're letting 317 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: other people form their opinion and then they all kind 318 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: of then have the ability to connect with each other 319 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: with such eeds. I think, just to wrap this up, 320 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: the thing that is so worrying is the fact that 321 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: Chloe has positioned herself as a health and wellness expert, 322 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: despite the fact she clearly has no formal training in 323 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: any of this. And this is why I find this 324 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: messaging that she is putting out to young, impressional followers 325 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: so damaging. Yeah, I think I'm going to listen to 326 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: the doctors when it comes to informing me about COVID 327 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: nineteen and lockdowns. And if anyone doesn't agree, obviously you 328 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: have the right to your own opinion, but please don't 329 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: feel the need to dm us. We've had a lot 330 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: of anti vaxx's dming us and you're not going to 331 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: change our opinions at all. And it will be very 332 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: interesting to see where Chloe and Mitch stand on vaccination 333 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: when no doubt it becomes mandatory to have it to travel. 334 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: What's that? 335 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 3: Is that a bath? 336 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: Of course, it's not the bath you're fucking idiot. There's 337 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: the bath there. 338 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: That's the kid's. 339 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: Toilet, is it? Yes? 340 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: Why was it gotta plug o when a tapped in? 341 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: Because it's for checking. 342 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: Your kids shit before you flush it. 343 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 3: Oh that's grim Yeah, I know that's the continental was 344 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: in it. 345 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: As Victorians were thrust into their fifth lockdown on Friday, 346 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: attention moved to how influencers would behave kate. People were 347 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: quick to jump to conclusions about some influencers behaviors. Yeah. Well, 348 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: one of those conclusions was that Sophie Kaisha had fled 349 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: at Melbourne Lockdown again because she turned up on her 350 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: Instagram stories in the Wits Sundays. However, Sophie was quick 351 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: to claim that she actually arrived a week ago but 352 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: hadn't let her followers know. She said this was something 353 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: that she usually does when she's on holidays so she 354 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: can take some time to unwind on the trip. And 355 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: I mean, she had posted a few things on her story, 356 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: but apparently they had been pre recorded ads. Unfortunately. I 357 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: think it was just a case of bad timing for her. 358 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: It is interesting because Sophie Keisha hasn't got the best 359 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: reputation in terms of Lockdown, and I can see why 360 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: people would have jumped to that conclusion. But once this 361 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: situation had been explained, there were still people that were 362 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: thinking that she was lying. Do you guys think that 363 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: some people let their dislike of certain influencers get in 364 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: the way of thinking about the situation logically? I definitely 365 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: feel like there is that gotcha moment for a lot 366 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: of people, and because more people have time to be 367 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: sitting at home analyzing the behavioral influencers, which is something 368 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: that we do as well, I feel like there is 369 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: more of a thirst to kind of catch out these people. 370 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: Do you really blame them though, because there have been 371 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: so many times where influencers in general have been caught 372 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: out maybe twisting the truth a little bit in order 373 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: to get away during lockdown, I definitely don't blame them, 374 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: considering it was a little bit hazy as to when 375 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: Sophie arrived in the Sundays. But Steph Glares Smith is 376 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: another influencer that's in a similar boat to Sophie Kaysha 377 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: because she's been accused of fleeing the lockdown to go 378 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: to her property in rural Victoria. I feel like it's 379 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: important to point out that neither Steph or Sophie has 380 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: actually broken any of the lockdown rules so far, but 381 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: people are saying morally they did the wrong thing by leaving. 382 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: What do you. 383 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: Guys think, Well, in the case of Steph Clais Smith, 384 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: she's left just before the lockdown restrictions have come in, 385 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: but whereas Sophie Keasia, it was a week before she 386 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: claims to have left. So with Sophie it does seem 387 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: like she's been unfairly painful with that brush to say 388 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: that she's done something wrong, because she hasn't. But the 389 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: thing with Sophie is that if she did leave a 390 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: week ago, it didn't look like Victoria was going to 391 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: go into a lockdown a week ago, Whereas with Steph, 392 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: it seems like the decision has been made quick we 393 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: better go up to our property in rural Victoria before 394 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: eleven fifty nine on Thursday. And the thing that is 395 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: so dangerous about that is obviously spreading coronavirus potentially to 396 00:18:55,480 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: vulnerable communities in rural areas. So I mean, or I 397 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: do think she probably just should have stayed put instead 398 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: of going, And so many people have been guilty of 399 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: doing that, fleeing over the border before the lockdown restrictions 400 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: come into place. It is interesting because, as you said, 401 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: so Steph didn't technically break any of the rules. It 402 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: does seem morally wrong considering she is quite a role 403 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: model for a lot of people. Yeah, however, it does 404 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: make me think if I had a beautiful property in 405 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: rural Victoria with a tennis court and a massive property 406 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: to walk around would I go there for five days? Whipe. 407 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: The thing is, I put myself in the shoes as well, 408 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: and I say no, I wouldn't. I'd feel really bad. 409 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: Of course, I'd be tempting. Everyone would want to escape 410 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: and have a little bit of a holiday away, but 411 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: you just don't do it because it's the rules and 412 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: you don't want to be it wasn't the rules. The 413 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: rules were set in at eleven fifty nine on Thursday, 414 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: so she was allowed to travel up there, but people 415 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: were still at risk. They only put the time frame 416 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: in so they can organize the police to be at 417 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: the borders and everything. But yeah, yeah, and also obviously 418 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: a lot of these rural communities don't want people from 419 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: the big city to come in. Well, look, I don't 420 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: think she should have traveled there at all, But I'm 421 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: just trying to play a devil's advocate and think, you know, 422 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: I don't have my own holiday house, so I'm trying 423 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: to put myself in her shoes and think, well, what 424 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: would I do. The thing is it's a bit tone 425 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: deaf because so many people would be watching Steph's into 426 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: stories and being like, oh, well, I'm stuck in my tiny, 427 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: little apartment in Melbourne, I know with the tennis court. 428 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: Do you know what? Though, at least this time she 429 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: actually did admit that she was doing her lockdown up 430 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: at a property, because there's been times in the past 431 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: where she said she's taking a break off social media 432 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: and it has clearly gone up there secretly, and I 433 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: think I think the whole issue is we shouldn't really 434 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: be treating this time as though it is a holiday. 435 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: I did find it very tone deaf on Saturday night 436 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: when Steph shared a photo of herself in the spa 437 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: at the property with a glass of wine. I was like, 438 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done that. But that being said, though, 439 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: when we're looking into any influencers life or rich person's life, 440 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: we're always going to be jealous. It was like when 441 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: beck Judd got a lot of criticism because obviously she's 442 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: isolating in a huge mansion. Unfortunately, that's just life and 443 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: some people have more money, some people don't. Yeah, but 444 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: I did see Sarah's day complaining about being in lockdown 445 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: again in her absolute mansion in Cronulla and I just think, 446 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: don't put it online. Have a winshi of family and friends, 447 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: but that don't put it on there. But that being said, 448 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: when Steph did go offline and not share Instagram stories 449 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: at her property, people assume she was doing the wrong thing. 450 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: I do down if you don't, that's different because she 451 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: was concealing the fact that she went to the property. 452 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: I just love how she kind of subtly put it 453 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: into her instance story. I'm just at the you know, 454 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: my property, I do. It does crack me up, though, 455 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: because you guys are probably some of Steph Klei's biggest fans, 456 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: so it's probably painting you to have this conversation, but 457 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: it's an important one. Yeah. I still do love Steph, 458 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: but I'm not happy with her. I'm disappointed any day 459 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: when Aaron came up and it's fun a day. Last week, 460 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: four Love Island contestant Molly May shared a juicy get 461 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: Ready with Me video where she answered followers questions. Now, Kate, 462 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: what were the best bits from this video? Well, my 463 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: initial reaction when I saw this video was, oh God, 464 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna be your typical boring get Ready with Me 465 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: that they really don't answer anything. However, Molly May did 466 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: not hold back. I think the most interesting revelation to 467 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: come from the video was that Molly and Tommy have 468 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: been trying on engagement rings. So Tommy's been trying on 469 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: them too. Well, He's taken her out to try the 470 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: engagement rings on, and Molly said that they were just 471 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: shopping and decided to spontaneously try on some rings for 472 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: some fun, but they haven't chosen one. Do you guys 473 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: think that's actually something people do? Because I know l 474 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: Darby and Connor Swift they were shopping for engagement rings 475 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: probably a few months before he pop the question. Well, 476 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: it's definitely a good idea at least you end up 477 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: getting the ring you want, But I feel like it 478 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: does take a bit of that excitement and surprise out 479 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: of the situation. I kind of feel like for me, 480 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: it gives me a clue that the girl might be 481 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: on the guy's case about it, or that they're really 482 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: picky about the ring, because I feel like if you 483 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: are an influencer, a lot of people scrutinize the engagement 484 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: ring you get, so there'd be a lot of pressure 485 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: on these boyfriends of Instagram to get it right. This 486 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: is what Molly May had to say about the process. 487 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 3: I know Tommy and I know that he won't cut 488 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 3: corners with this one. He just says to me. He 489 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 3: keeps saying, we just need to pick a ring. We 490 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 3: did try on some rings, so that was fun. I 491 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 3: haven't chosen a ring. We just tried them on for 492 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: a bit of fun. We were just shopping and we 493 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 3: just thought, all and we'll just try some on. So 494 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 3: we did try some on. It was really really fun. 495 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: It's like a whole new world to me. I have 496 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: no idea about diamonds and picking a ring and where 497 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 3: to get it from and again unbranded diamond or a 498 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 3: non branded like I don't know, Like there's so many 499 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: things you've got to take into consideration. And people say 500 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 3: that the best place to get a ring form is 501 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 3: in Dubai, but you can't go over to Dubai right now, 502 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 3: so I don't know. Like as soon as we sought 503 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 3: the ring, that is when he'll propose to me. And 504 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 3: obviously he could pick the ring without me even knowing, 505 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 3: and I don't really care. But I like, if you 506 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: pick the ring and you know that your partner's got 507 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 3: the ring, then you obviously know that a proposal was 508 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: coming soon. So yeah, I think maybe he'll just do 509 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 3: it all are By surprise and I won't know anything 510 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: about it, which would be really really special because I 511 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 3: think obviously, when your partner chooses the ring, you're just 512 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 3: gonna love it because you know that they've put that 513 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 3: thought and effort into it. 514 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: Do you know what's the worst thing? She is probably 515 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: sitting there now hanging out for the proposal. Do you 516 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: think Tommy's watched the video and it's like okay, and 517 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: she wants a surprise. It's almost like she's dropping hints 518 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: for him. I really like that Molly felt comfortable enough 519 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: to open up about this on YouTube, because she did 520 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: say she generally avoids conversations like these because people like 521 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: the Daily Mail just turn it into a quick headline 522 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: and then obviously speculation grows around when they are going 523 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: to get engaged. But I like the fact that she 524 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: was clearly genuinely excited about this and wanted to share 525 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: it with everyone. Well, that's exactly what the Daily Mail 526 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: and The Sun did, because not only did they announce 527 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: that Tommy and Molly are looking at engagement rings, but 528 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: there's also a rumor now that they are they have 529 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: secretly married on their two year anniversary. Do you guys 530 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: think that maybe Molly has brought up the engagement ring 531 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: issue due to the rumors that they had broken up 532 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: due to that UK influencer. Well that's pretty interesting. I mean, 533 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised because it really is a power 534 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: play to be like, well, actually we're getting engaged soon. 535 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: He's already looking at a ring because for those who 536 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: don't know, the couple are only twenty two and they 537 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: have only been dating for two years. So it is 538 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: really interesting that they are looking to take the next 539 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: step and be so public that they're on this journey 540 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: with it. You know, I love Island. How it's such 541 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 1: a huge thing for them to ask one another to 542 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: be their girlfriend. Can you imagine the proposal? Like what 543 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: the proposal has to be? Well, he got Ellie Belly, 544 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: then it's her soft toy to I think he wrote 545 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: a note from Ellie Belly and he did this whole 546 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: elaborate thing and it hasn't stopped there. So last week 547 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: the pair went to bath to celebrate their two year anniversary, 548 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: and Molly shared this insane Instagram story of the room 549 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: that Tommy had paid someone to set up for him. 550 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: There were love heart balloons every there were big bunches 551 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: of roses, rose petals, champagne, and then they spent the 552 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: whole weekend out and about doing stuff. I mean, I 553 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: don't even think I'm trying to remember recent I didn't 554 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: even celebrate our two year anniversary. So how did all 555 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: these rumors actually start that they were in fact married. Well, 556 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: it's so silly because they went out to see a 557 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: theater production and Molly shared a picture of her ticket 558 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: and on the ticket it said m Fury, which would 559 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: be Molly's name if she was married to Tommy Fury. 560 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: So I think it was clearly done for a bit 561 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: of a laugh. I don't not think that they are 562 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: secretly married at all. I don't think Molly May would 563 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: be the type of person that would want to be 564 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 1: secretly married. I'm just super excited to see what this 565 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: ring looks like when he finally does pop the question. 566 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: I feel like it's going to be pretty epic. Yeah. Well, 567 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: back to Molly May's YouTube video, she also revealed why 568 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: she's not commenting on this season's Love Island. So Molly 569 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: confirmed that she has purposely not been talking about the 570 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: show as she has spent so long distancing herself from 571 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: the tag of being a love Island. This is what 572 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: she said. 573 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, as for me not tweeting about it and talking 574 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 3: about it loads on my social media and stuff, it 575 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 3: isn't for any other reason other than that I have 576 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 3: spent so much time removing myself from that bracket that 577 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 3: I feel like talking about it all the time and 578 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 3: tweeting about it and speaking about it just it would 579 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 3: put me right back in that bracket. And for me, 580 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 3: my work is so important and my job is just 581 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 3: everything to me, And I don't know, I just. 582 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: I think about these things a lot. 583 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 3: I guess that's quite honest thing for me to tell 584 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 3: you guys, But yeah, it's that's just the truth. 585 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: What do you guys think about this? Because for me, 586 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: I almost feel like it's biting the hand that's fed you. 587 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: I actually think it's a really clever move, particularly when 588 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: it comes to her branding, because reality stars in the 589 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: UK are a diamer dozen we're influencing well, I know, 590 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: but I'd have to say that she is one of 591 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: the largest influencers in the UK and YouTubers in the 592 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: UK at the moment she is. I mean, I disagree 593 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: because look at someone like Charlotte Crosby, who's always been 594 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: proud of the fact that she's on Geordie Shore. She's 595 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: remained popular since appearing on the show. I don't know. 596 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: I just think everyone's always going to know that Molly 597 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: May was on Love Island, especially with Tommy. Yeah, I 598 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: was gonna say, like, it's a little bit hard to 599 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: distance yourself when every time there's a milestone in the 600 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: relationship everyone points out that they met on Love Island. 601 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any shame in being from Love Island. 602 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: But do you think she's trying to distance herself from 603 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: the Love Island brand because it has received a lot 604 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: of criticism in the past couple of years. I do 605 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: agree with you somewhat, Sophie, that it's a clever move 606 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: because she is They're not having to compete directly with 607 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: the new Love Island contestants, because of course they will 608 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: then gain further notoriety. Good Morning Money, How does it 609 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: feel to wake up and engaged woman? Well, you know 610 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: how sometimes they say when you finally attain your dream, 611 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: it's always a letdown. They were wrong. In a recent 612 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: Q and A Sky, Wheatley has taken a swipe at 613 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: her partner Locky war for not yet proposing to her. 614 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: This is what she said. 615 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: If a guy hasn't engaged me after four years, then 616 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: I don't want. 617 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: It, so he can fucking stick the ring off his 618 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: a hole. I wonder if this is something that they've 619 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: been discussing in couples counseling, because it doesn't seem like 620 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: it's going too well. Because Sky and Lockie have been 621 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: together for four years. I do love the phrase, so 622 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: he hasn't engaged me, like, do you mean proposed? But 623 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: they clearly haven't been to any stores trying on engagement 624 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: rings just yet. Sophy, have you weave this into the 625 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: chat because you've been with Branna for four years and 626 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: he hasn't yet got engaged to you. He has not 627 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: engaged me yet. No. It's funny though, because I feel 628 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: like if Lockie did take Sky out to try on 629 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: engagement rings, she would have vlogged the whole experience because 630 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: she does not hold back with it vlogs. To be fair, 631 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: I feel like men are very practical. I think Lockie 632 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: would view the situation think, Okay, we're renovating this house. 633 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: We've got two kids. When do we have time to 634 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: plan a wedding. Yeah, but women don't think like that 635 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: at all. Not to generalize, but most women are like, well, 636 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: I've had a baby with you, Are you going to 637 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: propose to me or not? Are we going to be 638 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: to get married? Well, my boyfriend s to think it's 639 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: a bigger commitment to buy a house with somebody. Yeah, 640 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: I agree, putting your finances together is a big move, 641 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: probably bigger than planning a wedding. I know a couple 642 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: that's been together for over fourteen years and the guy 643 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: still hasn't popped the question, and she is just wanting 644 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: him to get how old are though they're in their thirties. 645 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: Is he someone that has always said he doesn't believe 646 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: in marriage though, no, he's well, he said he'd rather 647 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: have kids first. You never know, Lockie might be pulling 648 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: the ball over her eyes and be planning some epic proposal. 649 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me on Friends when Chandler was 650 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: trying to pretend to Monica like marriage was the last 651 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: thing on his mind. So he's trying to get her 652 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: off the center of it. Maybe Chandler is a complex fellow, 653 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: one who was unlikely to take away What does he think? 654 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: Does he think I'm just gonna wait around for nothing 655 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: like I Chandler is against marriage and and always will be. 656 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: This has absolutely blown my mind. Steph Claire Smith has 657 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: revealed that she and Taylor Swift are actually friends. I 658 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: want to know, as a normal person, how do these 659 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: things happen? Because I can't imagine suddenly going to New 660 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: York and befriending Taylor Swift like perhaps in a dream. 661 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: Well after sharing the initial photo, Steph was inundated with 662 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: messages asking how they actually met, So she explained that 663 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: when she was living in New York, she used to 664 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: be trained by Justin Geblin, who happens to be Taylor 665 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: Swift's personal trainer. Imagine that just happening to be trained 666 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: by the same person that trains Taylor Swift. They must 667 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: be bloody good. Oh, we're forgetting over. Steph Claire Smith 668 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: is a huge celebrity in her own right, and she's 669 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: also at the time, but she's a model and all 670 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift friends of Mottel. Yeah, but this was when 671 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: she was living in New York, so she had only 672 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: just started or embarked on her full time modeling career, 673 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: so she wasn't a big name at the time, and 674 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if Steph is that huge in America anyway, No, 675 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: she's not. So Basically, Steph said that Taylor Swift's personal 676 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: training session was scheduled in before hers, so they happened 677 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: to run into each other in the chain rooms, and 678 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: apparently there was paparazzi waiting outside for Taylor, so Taylor 679 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: wasn't really in any rush to leave, and they started 680 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: chatting to one another, and Steph said that Taylor was 681 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: just so humble because she went to introduce herself and 682 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: Steph said, oh, yeah, I actually know who you are. 683 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: I do remember reading something where Taylor Swift said that 684 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: she hates when people pretend that they don't know who 685 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: she is. So I feel like in that instant, Steph 686 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: played it really well. Yeah, she must have played it 687 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: well because she even dropped that she didn't have any 688 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: American friends, and then Taylor's like, oh, well, I can 689 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: be your first American friend. I want to tip my 690 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: hat at Steph Claire Smith. This was very well played well. 691 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: Things must have gone pretty well because they caught up 692 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: for brunch the next day trained together, and then Steph 693 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: also went with Taylor to adopt her kitten, and that 694 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: is in fact Olivia Benson. It really does blow my 695 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: mind too, because I'm a fan of both of them, 696 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: and I just find it so weird that they have 697 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: even spoken and hung out. Well, Steph said they caught 698 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: up a total of four times, and then they text 699 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: for about a year afterwards. Can you imagine, you know, 700 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: when you text a guy and you're waiting for response, 701 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: can you imagine like the anxiousness of texting Taylor Swift 702 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: and her maybe not reply and how did it just 703 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: teata out? Like? Did Taylor just not reply to Steph? 704 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,959 Speaker 1: I feel like it. So who are you guys more 705 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: jealous of in this situation, Taylor for being Steph's friend 706 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: or Steph A bring Taylor one percent. I'm jealous of Steph. 707 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: Taylor's at a love level. Yeah, I would definitely choose 708 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: to be friends with Taylor Swift in this situation. Maybe 709 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: we didn't play our cards correctly when we met her. 710 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: Well what adam fan meet and great? Yeah, I think 711 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: we weren't really playing at that cool. I mean, we 712 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: did get rid of our costumes that got us there, 713 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: but maybe we should have been like, oh, yeah, you're 714 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: our first American friend. So basically, all you've got to 715 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: do to befriend Taylor Swift is become an international model 716 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: and go to the same personal trail. Steph really does 717 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: fit her esthetic, doesn't she because at the time, yeah, yeah, 718 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: that very supermodel gang with Gigi had did And do 719 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: you know what, though this might sound deluded, but it 720 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: really annoys me in a way because I feel like 721 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: I would be genuinely really good friends with Taylor, like 722 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: as in, if she knew me and we were like 723 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: on the same level, I think we'd get on really well. 724 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: I've told my boyfriend that so many times as well. 725 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: It's a bit sad. Well, I think that's all we've 726 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 1: got time for today. 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