Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Georgie Stevenson. I am a lawyer and health coach,
Speaker 1: social media influencer, wife and dog mum. On the Rise
Speaker 1: and Conquer Podcast, we dive deep into all things mindset, habits, career, health,
Speaker 1: relationships and more. This is a podcast for women who
Speaker 1: want to rise up to be the best version of themselves,
Speaker 1: who have big dreams in who are willing to put
Speaker 1: in the work to get there. I want to bring
Speaker 1: you the tools and actionable steps to feel confident in yourself,
Speaker 1: inspired to take bold action, and motivated to conquer your goals.
Speaker 1: Are you with me, girl friends, Let's rise and conquer. Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of the Rise and Conquer Podcast. Today,
Speaker 1: I have a very exciting guest for you.
Speaker 2: It is Sarah Holloway.
Speaker 1: Sarah started her working life as an international lawyer, and
Speaker 1: while she enjoyed her time there, she found it increasingly
Speaker 1: challenging to juggle the all consuming corporate lifestyle with her
Speaker 1: personal passions of wellbeing, creativity, and adventure. In pursuit of balance,
Speaker 1: Sarah and her partner started matcha Maiden, closing our gap.
Speaker 1: They discovered in the health food market for Matcha green
Speaker 1: tea powder. Sarah has now hung up her suits and
Speaker 1: heels to step into business full time. She also has
Speaker 1: an amazing podcast called Seize the Ya, which investigates the
Speaker 1: difference between success and happiness and the importance of cultivating
Speaker 1: joy in your everyday life. In this episode, me and
Speaker 1: Sarah chat about her transition from leaving corporate and starting
Speaker 1: her own business, dealing with stress and overwhelmed with all
Speaker 1: her many projects, and why getting out of your comfort
Speaker 1: zone is a muster. I'm so excited to share this
Speaker 1: episode with you guys.
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy it. Hi, Sarah, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for coming on episode today.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited.
Speaker 3: I've listened so much to Rise and Conquer and to
Speaker 3: actually be on it. It's like the coolest thing ever. Swapping
Speaker 3: sides with the microphone.
Speaker 2: I know it is cool. And yeah, I'm such a
Speaker 2: big fan of CZA.
Speaker 1: I was just telling Sarah before, I've listened to every episode,
Speaker 1: so I was so excited. So as I ask all
Speaker 1: my guests, what is one thing big or small that
Speaker 1: you are rising up and conquering this week?
Speaker 3: I've been trying to actually flip the whole idea of
Speaker 3: rising and conquering this week, and usually I'm literally trying
Speaker 3: to conquer something new or trying to get out of
Speaker 3: the comfort zone and challenge myself and kind of, you know,
Speaker 3: in that fast pace, like go go, go, keep learning.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, new things are exciting. But I've been
Speaker 3: traveling a lot the last couple of weeks, and I've
Speaker 3: had some really amazing momentum in lots of different areas.
Speaker 3: And this week is the first week that I've been
Speaker 3: home in a row and nixt been home at the
Speaker 3: same time for seven whole days, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I need to rise and conquer just chilling out a
Speaker 3: little bit, and I am not good at it. I
Speaker 3: love it once I get there, but it takes me
Speaker 3: so long to just kind of put on the brakes
Speaker 3: and slow the momentum and kill the adrenaline and actually
Speaker 3: get back in touch with how I really feel. I
Speaker 3: get too excited about life and too excited about everything
Speaker 3: that's going on, so it's hard for me to go slower.
Speaker 3: But I was like, I can feel that I'm getting
Speaker 3: back into the habits that lead to burnout, so I
Speaker 3: was like, stop now, read some books, do the bare
Speaker 3: minimum that you need to do to get through this week,
Speaker 3: and then next week you can go back to the
Speaker 3: to the crazy, but this week you need to slow down.
Speaker 3: So I'm trying my very best.
Speaker 1: It's refreshing because yeah, usually everyone's you know, got this
Speaker 1: big project or they're doing this new thing, but sometimes
Speaker 1: you do you just need a week of nothing to stay,
Speaker 1: you know, to maintain and just just sort of catch
Speaker 1: yourself again totally.
Speaker 3: And it's so hard to do when you're doing something
Speaker 3: that you find really exciting and where there's always something
Speaker 3: else on your to do list, right, so it never ends.
Speaker 3: So having to impose that self ban on like activity.
Speaker 1: I know it's hard and you almost like you feel
Speaker 1: guilty because there is always something else you could be doing,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't necessarily mean you could.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, So that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 2: Well, good luck with that.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of easy into it. So that's good
Speaker 1: you did come on the podcast. So but to me,
Speaker 1: that is kind.
Speaker 3: Of making space. You know, that's something I don't kind
Speaker 3: of make space in the week for enough, or you know,
Speaker 3: I'm always kind of so busy doing our stuff that
Speaker 3: I sometimes forget to like come out of the hermit
Speaker 3: shell and do stuff like this, or I'll you know,
Speaker 3: get halfway through the week and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I need a postpone, Like there's so much other crack
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 1: But well, thank you for making the time. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you're having one of those weeks. So for those who
Speaker 1: don't know who you are, can you give us a
Speaker 1: little insight on who Sarah is and your journey up
Speaker 1: to now, just like a quick little intro for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I like to call myself a lawyer turned
Speaker 3: entrepreneur and now podcaster. So I started off on a
Speaker 3: really traditional corporate pathway. I studied law for seven years.
Speaker 3: I think it took me to finish my degree, and
Speaker 3: then got into a really amazing international law firm that
Speaker 3: had lots of great opportunities. I learned an enormous amount.
Speaker 3: I don't think at the time I thought I would
Speaker 3: be there forever. But I also don't think I was
Speaker 3: looking to leave straight away. I think I thought I'd
Speaker 3: spend the start of my career there, figure out you
Speaker 3: know what I like, what I don't like, get some experience,
Speaker 3: make some networks, but I had always, you know, through
Speaker 3: my whole childhood, I'd always been half super super nerve,
Speaker 3: book smart bookworm, and then half super ARTI farty, crazy
Speaker 3: muso dancer person. And through UNI, I was kind of
Speaker 3: able to do an arts degree at the same time,
Speaker 3: so I could balance it out. But I found as
Speaker 3: soon as I got into the professional environment, you know,
Speaker 3: the hours are so long, that the hobbies started to
Speaker 3: drop off, and that side of me kind of started
Speaker 3: to wither a little bit. So I'd noticed it, but I,
Speaker 3: you know, I was still I got to work in
Speaker 3: Hong Kong. I worked on an amazing deal over there.
Speaker 3: I had a really good time. I think the law
Speaker 3: firm was a really great start to my career, but
Speaker 3: I ended up getting itchy feet quite early and took
Speaker 3: a month off in my first year, which is very
Speaker 3: unheard of. To work in Africa with Nick whose creative
Speaker 3: agency had been working with the five cent campaign and Wygap,
Speaker 3: and they took us to one of the schools in Rwanda,
Speaker 3: which was, as you can imagine, an incredibly, incredibly transformative
Speaker 3: experience that really changed kind of the way we think
Speaker 3: about ourselves and the world. But I got a parasite
Speaker 3: while I was over there, which is you know, one
Speaker 3: of the side effects of hardcore third world country travel.
Speaker 3: And I came back. I think I lost maybe five
Speaker 3: kiloes when we were there, and then when I got home,
Speaker 3: I lost another ten, So I lost fifteen kilos in total. Wow,
Speaker 3: I know, and I'm quite slender, so I didn't you
Speaker 3: have that much to lose in the first place. And
Speaker 3: typical A type, I ignored all the signs. I was like,
Speaker 3: I'll think my way out of it. I went straight
Speaker 3: back to work and just kept kind of smashing myself
Speaker 3: and hadn't developed any kind of relationship with well being
Speaker 3: or self care and ended up with a drenal fatigue.
Speaker 3: So in that context, I was told I couldn't drink
Speaker 3: coffee anymore, which was you know at the time, like
Speaker 3: I was like mainlining. It was my bloodstream was coffee,
Speaker 3: and yeah, my drenal system couldn't handle it. I'd have
Speaker 3: like a full panic attack every time i'd have try
Speaker 3: and have a cup of coffee. So then when I
Speaker 3: got sent to Hong Kong, I sort of was like, well,
Speaker 3: how am I going to survive this? M and A
Speaker 3: is very long hours closing deals and then Hong Kong
Speaker 3: on top of that is like a city that never sleeps,
Speaker 3: so it's even more long hours, and I just thought,
Speaker 3: how am I going to cope without caffeine? But I
Speaker 3: ended up discovering over there that matcha has a really
Speaker 3: solid amount of caffeine, but is much gentler on your
Speaker 3: adrenal system and your body generally because it has a
Speaker 3: unique amino acid in it called elthenine, which makes it
Speaker 3: slow release into the bloodstream. So I had no idea
Speaker 3: about any of this at the time, but fast discovered
Speaker 3: how amazing it is in terms of giving you a
Speaker 3: really solid energy boost. But if you're sensitive to caffeine
Speaker 3: or going through some kind of health discovery journey, I
Speaker 3: could cope with it. And so Nick came over a
Speaker 3: couple of times and he started using it, and we
Speaker 3: realized how versatile it was because it was a powder,
Speaker 3: so either if you like the flavor, you could have
Speaker 3: it by itself, or if you don't, you could kind
Speaker 3: of hide it in a smoothie or bliss balls. And
Speaker 3: then came home and we couldn't find it anywhere, so
Speaker 3: we thought, you know, this is weird. Everyone's got Green
Speaker 3: Payer outed, you know, everything we're drinking sperollina, so surely
Speaker 3: we could drink something that's green powdered that is as
Speaker 3: beneficial but tastes much better. But no one was selling it,
Speaker 3: even though the health food market was booming. So we
Speaker 3: went online, found some from a tea farm in Japan.
Speaker 3: We tested about fifty different kinds I think found one
Speaker 3: that we liked, ordered the minimum order, which was ten kilos,
Speaker 3: and it turned up and it was way too much
Speaker 3: tea for two people, and yeah, that it literally the
Speaker 3: business journey started from realizing we had to get rid
Speaker 3: of some of it somehow and deciding that it'd be
Speaker 3: a really a nice way to kind of spend more
Speaker 3: time together and do something a little bit creative together
Speaker 3: that was different to anything either of us were doing.
Speaker 3: And we knocked up an Instagram page. We had the
Speaker 3: website going within I think it was two weeks or
Speaker 3: something like that, because Nick luckily has a creative agency
Speaker 3: which is super handy, and yeah, and then it's just
Speaker 3: literally been much of madness. Is then that was like
Speaker 3: the very very end of twenty fourteen. Started twenty fifteen.
Speaker 3: I left my job six months after that because the
Speaker 3: power of Instagram and digital e commerce and the power
Speaker 3: of being first to market as well just meant we
Speaker 3: exploded to the point where we were packing it ourselves.
Speaker 3: So someone had to leave, and it made sense for
Speaker 3: me to do it because I'd found that this was
Speaker 3: kind of reigniting all the parts of me that I
Speaker 3: had forgotten were there. And yeah, and now it's been
Speaker 3: nearly five years since then, Oh my gosh, wow, so random.
Speaker 2: Well I've heard your story before obviously, but not like
Speaker 2: you just explained it then, and that is crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean even when I say it sometimes I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, did that really happened? Like I still
Speaker 3: wake up and I'm like, what am I doing? Like
Speaker 3: how did I get here?
Speaker 2: That's amazing?
Speaker 1: And I just love so much that it just came
Speaker 1: from a need and you saw the gap in the
Speaker 1: market and you feeled it and it just worked, and
Speaker 1: I love it so much.
Speaker 2: Obviously we have similar journeys.
Speaker 1: I was in law and left to follow my passion,
Speaker 1: and much like you in regards to I always had
Speaker 1: a creative sort of side of me, but I very
Speaker 1: much pushed it down and I kind of didn't let
Speaker 1: it come out until I started, you know, blogging and
Speaker 1: stuff on Instagram. I wanted to ask you because I
Speaker 1: kind of do remember a moment during my career when
Speaker 1: I thought, no, actually, this isn't what I'm going to do.
Speaker 1: I know, I've just studied a law degree, I know
Speaker 1: I've been through it all, but I'm actually going to
Speaker 1: completely Do you know a.
Speaker 2: One eighty here? Do you have a certain moment where
Speaker 2: that happened for you with leading law?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was the moment. I'm sure you
Speaker 3: get asked this question so much, and I do too,
Speaker 3: so I reflect on it a lot, and I think
Speaker 3: it was. You know, the beginning, it was a really
Speaker 3: exciting side hustle hobby, but you really don't go into
Speaker 3: it ever thinking that it would become big enough to
Speaker 3: replace your wage or to become a lifestyle. You know,
Speaker 3: it's just too good to be true once you open
Speaker 3: the floodgates. So I stayed in the firm for another
Speaker 3: six months when we first started, because you know, we
Speaker 3: were waiting to see how much it grew. And really
Speaker 3: it just happened so quickly that I didn't really even
Speaker 3: have time to think about it. We were just like, crap,
Speaker 3: we need packers, and crap, we need this and oh
Speaker 3: my god, stock and blah blah. It wasn't really until
Speaker 3: it became mutually exclusive, like the minute that I realized
Speaker 3: I couldn't do both, like I couldn't have one foot
Speaker 3: in each door and like have that safe fallback position
Speaker 3: of kind of having both. Basically, for us, it was
Speaker 3: an actual opportunity that came up that I realized we
Speaker 3: would have to say no to if I kept my
Speaker 3: job because no one could fulfill the order. So we'd
Speaker 3: gotten big enough, quick enough to get under the radar,
Speaker 3: onto the radar sorry of urban outfitters across the US.
Speaker 3: They'd found us on Instagram, and wow, I know, like
Speaker 3: we just that's you know, that's kind of how fast
Speaker 3: we grew from a product that everyone wanted. But you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of people had heard of it, but no
Speaker 3: one could find it in cool packaging. So they had
Speaker 3: found us and asked for I think they got a
Speaker 3: few samples, and you know that, I thought, yeah, cool,
Speaker 3: they're happy with it. They might order like twenty or
Speaker 3: maybe like fifty bags. I think they ordered like ten
Speaker 3: thousand or something like that, and we were just like,
Speaker 3: we haven't scored ten thousand in the last six months,
Speaker 3: Like I just don't know how that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't really until that moment that I realized
Speaker 3: this has gotten big enough that it has a life
Speaker 3: of its own, and that it's something that is presenting
Speaker 3: opportunities where if I left, you know, I would have
Speaker 3: enough things to do. I wouldn't just literally be sitting
Speaker 3: there all day like do do do do? Do? What
Speaker 3: do I do now? And it was making money and
Speaker 3: we you know, we didn't not take an investment. We
Speaker 3: didn't need it. It was kind of set up in
Speaker 3: such a good way that we didn't have any overheads,
Speaker 3: and we've done so much about ourselves. So the moment
Speaker 3: of realizing I would leave was it happened within two weeks.
Speaker 3: Like we got the offer, I realized it was impossible
Speaker 3: to say yes unless I left. Then had to grapple
Speaker 3: really fast with what that meant and how much risk
Speaker 3: and all like. It was just such an intense, crazy time.
Speaker 3: But I'm kind of glad looking back that there was
Speaker 3: a timeline, because otherwise I might not have been forced.
Speaker 3: I would have just kept sitting in the comfort zone.
Speaker 3: But I realized I always make decisions based on what
Speaker 3: can I never do again. What is the once in
Speaker 3: a lifetime opportunity? And law is an industry that's not
Speaker 3: going to go anywhere. We are always going to need lawyers.
Speaker 3: Our qualifications will always be there and they will always
Speaker 3: be relevant. Whereas this opportunity to be the first matterom
Speaker 3: Eben Outfitters, like, that's really a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Speaker 3: So what am I going to look back on and regret?
Speaker 3: And yeah, so I literally two weeks after that, I
Speaker 3: think maybe less maybe ten days, I resigned and haven't
Speaker 3: looked back. I don't think I've had time to look back.
Speaker 2: So that's crazy.
Speaker 1: And our journeys are so similar in that regard where
Speaker 1: I was the same where I just thought, you know,
Speaker 1: if I look back, I think I'm gonna regret if
Speaker 1: I don't take this very unusual sort of chance where
Speaker 1: my law degree will always be there and you need
Speaker 1: to be pushed into a corner.
Speaker 2: I was. I was kind of like, I just.
Speaker 1: Wasn't giving my law job one hundred percent, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't giving my side a hustle one hundred percent, and
Speaker 1: I was really in this place where that didn't feel
Speaker 1: good to me, and I was like I need to
Speaker 1: pick one because it's just working. And so when you
Speaker 1: were sort of making that decision, did you have any
Speaker 1: like gut feelings or regrets or not necessarily regrets, but
Speaker 1: did you really struggle with it or did you just
Speaker 1: make the decision and that was it.
Speaker 3: I think both. I think my gut was telling me. So.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know, but I was adopted
Speaker 3: when I was six months old from Southkorea. So I've
Speaker 3: always had this like sense of that sliding gaus feeling
Speaker 3: of like how lucky we are to have been some
Speaker 3: people to have been born in this country and me
Speaker 3: to have ended up here, like it was only a
Speaker 3: once in a million chance that I would end up
Speaker 3: in such an amazing society and that we would be
Speaker 3: born in this time as well, where you can do
Speaker 3: anything like this. It's not a recession, it's a it's
Speaker 3: not the depression. There's not a war going in you know,
Speaker 3: there's no world wars like obviously in other you know,
Speaker 3: in Australia particularly, we're very very lucky with the stability
Speaker 3: and the appetite for small business and innovation and all
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 2: I had social media.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so on the one hand, I was like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, I know that I have to give this
Speaker 3: a try because I will never be able to make
Speaker 3: this decision. And again, you know, like in twenty years,
Speaker 3: you don't know what the world's going to look like,
Speaker 3: but lawyers will always be there. And I just felt
Speaker 3: so lit up. I realized that my dominant side has
Speaker 3: always been the creative side, and I was so I
Speaker 3: was such a different person once we started the business
Speaker 3: that I started to recognize myself again. So deep down
Speaker 3: I knew that this was too exciting, it was too promising.
Speaker 3: Even financially it actually made sense because as I'm sure
Speaker 3: you know, lawyers don't make nearly as much as you
Speaker 3: think they do for the hours that they work. It
Speaker 3: doesn't actually work out to be that financially sensible, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean it does eventually, but like at
Speaker 3: the beginning, yeah, there's a lot of hours for you know,
Speaker 3: it's a really tough schalog at the start, and just
Speaker 3: for the freedom and excitement, yeah, I just I definitely
Speaker 3: had a feeling dipped down, but I still my like
Speaker 3: a type conservative risk aversal lawyer. Self was like, I
Speaker 3: have to go through all the risks and I have
Speaker 3: to really be sure that this is the right decision. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And that side of me was like at the time,
Speaker 3: like I'll tell you because most people don't actually understand
Speaker 3: what I say. The kind of sacrifice was even bigger
Speaker 3: because I was about to start so I was meant
Speaker 3: to move six months later to Brisbane and then to
Speaker 3: Canberra to do a High Court associate ship with who
Speaker 3: is now the Chief Justice, so chief Justice Keefle, and God, like,
Speaker 3: you know what that means? Most people don't know, So
Speaker 3: I don't mention it because.
Speaker 2: They're like I would like my eyes like all this
Speaker 2: up there and I was like what right? So that
Speaker 2: was like everyone else was like, yeah, like I have
Speaker 2: no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Cool, but I'm like, you have no idea what that meant.
Speaker 3: At the time, you know, that was I'd applied for
Speaker 3: it like six years before and build up to being
Speaker 3: able to work alongside the Chief Justice in the High Court.
Speaker 3: Like my legal nerd brain was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: so it would involve giving that up too, So like
Speaker 3: the weight of what I was leaving, I definitely agonized.
Speaker 3: I agonized every minute until the overarching decision in the
Speaker 3: end was I can go back. I had a really
Speaker 3: good relationship with my partner at the firm. He kind
Speaker 3: of almost said, if it doesn't go well, you can
Speaker 3: come back. So I was like, well, then there's really
Speaker 3: nothing to lose, is there.
Speaker 2: That's amazing, And so I want to switch gears a
Speaker 2: little bit. Obviously you have Matcha Maiden and you also
Speaker 2: have your own little cafe, which is Matcha Milkbar. So
Speaker 2: I love that sort of switch, Like, I personally wouldn't
Speaker 2: think that that would happen, but obviously it's going so well.
Speaker 2: And so I want to chat to you about since
Speaker 2: leaving your legal career and pursuing your passions, what is
Speaker 2: it like. What is a typical day in the life like.
Speaker 2: It's obviously can be so different.
Speaker 1: And I personally hate when peoplasi this because I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's just so different every single day.
Speaker 2: But if you can give us a little snapshot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think that's probably one of the things
Speaker 3: that took me the longest to get used to, is
Speaker 3: you go from such a structured, predictable life to like
Speaker 3: a complete clusterfuck. You just have no structure, You have
Speaker 3: no one telling you you know that you should stop
Speaker 3: at the end of the day. Or that you should eat.
Speaker 3: And it took me a really really long time to
Speaker 3: figure out what kind of weak structure works and the
Speaker 3: fact that you do need a little bit of structure,
Speaker 3: Like I really love the idea of total spontanating control
Speaker 3: for a little while, but then eventually realize that everyone
Speaker 3: needs a bit of routine and structure in their life
Speaker 3: to just manage your energy levels and to plan and
Speaker 3: actually get things done. So now I still, particularly with
Speaker 3: a hospitality business, now, there's still a lot of stuff
Speaker 3: you can't control and a lot of like, oh crap,
Speaker 3: got to drop that and run there and do this
Speaker 3: and do that. But generally I try I start every morning,
Speaker 3: and I've dropped the guild about this, but I spend
Speaker 3: every morning in my favorite cafe, which is around the
Speaker 3: corner from our house, and it's like equal distance between
Speaker 3: Matcham milk Butt and our home, so that we're kind
Speaker 3: of close to everything that we need to be but
Speaker 3: tucked away as well, and I'm stuck there. So it
Speaker 3: really makes me. I sit down, I get all my
Speaker 3: emails done in the morning before I kind of face
Speaker 3: the day. I have a really good, delicious, healthy meal.
Speaker 3: I have like massive breakfast every day and it just
Speaker 3: sets up my day really nicely. So that's become a
Speaker 3: real ritual that I could definitely make the breakfast at home,
Speaker 3: but I get so much joy from starting my day
Speaker 3: that way, and that's probably the only part of the
Speaker 3: day that looks the same every day. I also meditate
Speaker 3: in the morning first thing when I get up, because
Speaker 3: I get, you know, quite bad anxiety sometimes, but also
Speaker 3: just generally can get really overwhelming having so many balls
Speaker 3: in the air. So that really helps ease into the
Speaker 3: day nicely and set the right tone and help you
Speaker 3: kind of set some intentions. I try and have Tuesdays
Speaker 3: and Thursdays and kind of my meeting days, when you know,
Speaker 3: we meet with different ingredients suppliers or bloggers or builders
Speaker 3: or new product developers, or you know, there's so many
Speaker 3: different things that we might have going on with the podcast.
Speaker 3: I might do my podcast episodes on that day. I've
Speaker 3: realized I need to have days that I know are
Speaker 3: the days when I have to be outward facing and
Speaker 3: have like a lot of energy and people facing energy.
Speaker 3: And then Mondays and Wednesdays tend to be my computer
Speaker 3: admin days where I do like our tacks and all
Speaker 3: our back end admin work on product development or recipes
Speaker 3: or ingredients for you know, new formulations or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: The sitting down and the hardcore financials and all that
Speaker 3: stuff happens on a Monday and a Wednesday, and then
Speaker 3: Friday's just kind of the leftover, like whatever else is
Speaker 3: spilled over. If we have content shoots for matching made
Speaker 3: and or match of milkbar. I tend to do that
Speaker 3: on Friday because it's kind of when my energy is,
Speaker 3: you know, a bit tired for the week, so I
Speaker 3: do the more fun things. And then in between all
Speaker 3: of that, I have gotten much much better at quarantining weekends.
Speaker 3: I never used to kind of take them, and then
Speaker 3: I burnt out again and realized everyone needs a break,
Speaker 3: even if you love what you're doing. So Saturdays there's
Speaker 3: often there's actually a lot of events I think on
Speaker 3: Saturday's in health and wellness, so I sometimes still have
Speaker 3: to do a little bit of work or be at
Speaker 3: the cafe. And then Sundays am I complete. I call
Speaker 3: them sloth Sundays, like I don't move, I just watch Netflix,
Speaker 3: I read a crime book, or like sleeping till midday
Speaker 3: or whatever it is. I'm like super lazy. I'm just
Speaker 3: a lazy person in an excited person's body. The only
Speaker 3: other thing that's I try and keep consistent is exercise,
Speaker 3: because again, like the first year of business, I didn't
Speaker 3: exercise at all. I thought I'm moving into wellness. I'm
Speaker 3: going to be like the wellest person ever. But I
Speaker 3: just never took breaks. And you kind of feel like
Speaker 3: your own wellness ironically becomes your last priority because your
Speaker 3: business is what is driving you. But now I'm really
Speaker 3: careful to make sure that it you know, for your
Speaker 3: physical health, but also your mental health. It's so important
Speaker 3: to get the blood flowing and get your body moving.
Speaker 3: So at the moment, I'm quite run heavy because we're
Speaker 3: working with Nike towards a half marathon, and I'm the
Speaker 3: most run averse person in the world. But I've slowly
Speaker 3: been converted and now I love a good run. I
Speaker 3: don't know how I used to hate it. So I
Speaker 3: run a couple of times a week. I lift weights.
Speaker 3: When I wasn't running, I was doing more yoga and pilates.
Speaker 3: I love Reformer or like hot polarates. Yeah, a bit
Speaker 3: of everything. And then there's all lots of random crap
Speaker 3: that comes up in between lots of speaking gigs and
Speaker 3: a bit of travel, and then the podcast somehow fits
Speaker 3: in to all of that.
Speaker 1: I love what you said about, you know, having specific
Speaker 1: days for your meeting days, for your admin days. I
Speaker 1: definitely try to do that in regards of like batching
Speaker 1: content and you know, like smashing an all in one day,
Speaker 1: because I found at the start, I really struggle, especially
Speaker 1: with me personally, you know, having Instagram, having you having
Speaker 1: a blog, having Naked Harvest, having a podcast. You very
Speaker 1: much feel like you need to be over everything, but
Speaker 1: it's hard to actually get into, you know, the grits
Speaker 1: of it all when you're constantly changing. So I love
Speaker 1: that you touched on that, and then also you touched
Speaker 1: on you know, making sure you do that so you
Speaker 1: don't get overwhelmed and you don't go into burnout, which
Speaker 1: I'm sure we've all been there, so feeling on that one.
Speaker 1: But is there anything else that you personally do or
Speaker 1: you recommend so you're not going into burnout which then
Speaker 1: takes so much more time to recover.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this's gosh, so many things. It's probably one of
Speaker 3: the hardest parts of the journey. I've found, Like obviously
Speaker 3: this you know, building a business and running businesses and
Speaker 3: stepping out of your comfort zone and leaving a job,
Speaker 3: all of that is so scary and overwhelming and different.
Speaker 3: But actually just managing myself has been the most difficult,
Speaker 3: I think, because it's like a constant fight with yourself
Speaker 3: because you don't want to stop. Like it's very, very
Speaker 3: hard to stop when you're doing something you love that's
Speaker 3: going well. So I think one of the things I've
Speaker 3: learned is to try to rest before you feel like
Speaker 3: you need it, which is even harder to do. But
Speaker 3: you kind of have to block out days or times
Speaker 3: or whatever it is for you. For me, it's Sundays
Speaker 3: because I think every time zone in the world is
Speaker 3: on a weekend on a Sunday, so you can't really
Speaker 3: feel guilty. But whatever it is for you, even if
Speaker 3: it's not one full day but like an hour here
Speaker 3: and there, I think you have to block it out
Speaker 3: and do it as a routine, not wait until you're
Speaker 3: tired to do it, because that's when it's too late
Speaker 3: almost to kind of bring yourself back. And also even
Speaker 3: for people who are super connected with their bodies, who
Speaker 3: are in wellness, you know, our industry is all about that,
Speaker 3: so you would think I would be more connected with
Speaker 3: my body than most. But adrenaline is also a really
Speaker 3: tricky kind of energy because it makes you think that
Speaker 3: you're feeling good for short bursts of time when you're
Speaker 3: really excited, but it tricks you sometimes when you actually
Speaker 3: have a totally empty tank, but you just can pull
Speaker 3: it together, you know, for an event or whatever. So
Speaker 3: sometimes you think you feel good, but you really do
Speaker 3: need some time. So I kind of think if you
Speaker 3: preemptively block out, it's a lot of trial and error
Speaker 3: to figure out where your balance is. But if you
Speaker 3: roughly know what helps you, especially if you have such
Speaker 3: a busy life when you are on what roughly helps
Speaker 3: you maintain that without burning out, then just block it
Speaker 3: out in advance, block it out in your calendar. What
Speaker 3: I've had to do is put those you know, the
Speaker 3: day structures. I put those things in my calendar so
Speaker 3: that there's a mental trigger if I try and put
Speaker 3: anything on top of those things. You know, it's a
Speaker 3: visual queue of like actually I meant to be at
Speaker 3: yoga at that time, or you know, everything has to
Speaker 3: be in the calendar with the same importance as a meeting,
Speaker 3: because otherwise your brain won't give it the same importance,
Speaker 3: and when it comes to it, you'll just push every
Speaker 3: thing over the top of it because you don't see that,
Speaker 3: you know it's blocked out. So I think, really, just
Speaker 3: get to know yourself and then preempt your bad decisions
Speaker 3: and kind of idiot prove your calendar so that you
Speaker 3: make sure that you're never running yourself too low before
Speaker 3: you've realized.
Speaker 1: That's such a good actionable step. And I also love
Speaker 1: the whole doing like even if you're like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I feel fine, like doing it before the burnout because yeah,
Speaker 1: like you said, it's a lot harder to get out
Speaker 1: of it once you're in it. So yeah, preempting it.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: And also I just want to ask you, so obviously
Speaker 2: you have an amazing Instagram. What your Instagram boyfriends? That
Speaker 2: made me laugh?
Speaker 1: In a world everyone go check them out, So in
Speaker 1: a world where like everyone seems so perfect, what inspires
Speaker 1: you to be like less glamorous and just very authentic?
Speaker 2: It's very refreshing. I love that about you.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. I have so much fun with it.
Speaker 3: I think what happened was because I'm like an uber dog,
Speaker 3: and I think you would feel pretty similar coming from
Speaker 3: a corporate or like legal background, where Instagram is not
Speaker 3: a thing. It's so foreign when you first move into it,
Speaker 3: you know, you're not used to people knowing who you
Speaker 3: are or caring what you ate, or it's just such
Speaker 3: a different world that at the beginning, I obviously when
Speaker 3: you're taking photos is when you're at events or when
Speaker 3: you're dressed up and you're kind of showing all the
Speaker 3: highlights because that's all you think to post. I realized
Speaker 3: after a little while that I just started to feel
Speaker 3: a bit uncomfortable. That I was like, everyone thinks that
Speaker 3: that's what I look like all the time, and I don't.
Speaker 3: And then I would get to the point where I
Speaker 3: wanted to post some new content and I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: any content that looked like that because I most of
Speaker 3: my days like inactive wear with no makeup on my
Speaker 3: conscious pedomas working from bed, and like, I think it
Speaker 3: came from the struggle of realizing that I don't have
Speaker 3: enough photos like that, because that isn't enough of my life.
Speaker 3: That then I was like, well, what does that tell me?
Speaker 3: That I've created this like view of myself that I
Speaker 3: feel like I have to live up to every photo,
Speaker 3: but I don't look like that enough the time equals
Speaker 3: I'm not portraying enough of the real what I actually
Speaker 3: am doing. And the only way that I could make
Speaker 3: myself get comfortable then was to start kind of posting
Speaker 3: some of the crappiest stuff. And also from a personal
Speaker 3: confidence point of view, I realized, you know, I think
Speaker 3: we've all gone through a phase where way too selective
Speaker 3: about the photos that we post, like, oh no, I
Speaker 3: don't like that one, Like I'm going to take it again,
Speaker 3: like let me, you know, fix my arm or whatever
Speaker 3: it is. We all go through that hypocritical phase, and
Speaker 3: I realized the only way to kind of let myself
Speaker 3: like liberate myself from that was to just put up
Speaker 3: the ugliest photo that I hated the most and then
Speaker 3: to realize that nothing happens. So I kind of I'm
Speaker 3: a bit of a discomfort junkie. Once I realized how
Speaker 3: comfortable I had gotten in law and how much I
Speaker 3: didn't grow, I'm kind of now addicted to. Once I
Speaker 3: get too comfortable, I'm like, what can I do That's
Speaker 3: like so uncomfortable and unpleasant that then I have conquered it,
Speaker 3: you know, risen and conquered it just by putting it
Speaker 3: out there. I remember one day when I was like,
Speaker 3: every photo I've posted has been like a whole ordeal
Speaker 3: of like choosing the right one and then editing the
Speaker 3: filter and then putting it on them, righting the caption,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm just going to say, screw it.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to put up this freaking awful chin
Speaker 3: photo that's like mid movement with one eye half open.
Speaker 3: I just put it up there and see what happens.
Speaker 3: And like, the response was so amazing. People were genuinely surprised,
Speaker 3: but also just so like they had a giggle. They
Speaker 3: loved it. They just thought it was the best thing
Speaker 3: of it. And I thought it was the best thing
Speaker 3: ever because then I was like, oh my god, now
Speaker 3: that's that's the bar. That's the bar. So anything that
Speaker 3: I post on top of that as a bonus. And
Speaker 3: it just in one moment just kind of changed my
Speaker 3: standards and my whole relationship with Instagram and social media
Speaker 3: because suddenly I felt not that I felt like a
Speaker 3: fraud before, but I felt like I wasn't really putting
Speaker 3: out who I actually am. And I know that for
Speaker 3: some people that's more important than others. All. For some people,
Speaker 3: their brand is being quite preened, and that's you know,
Speaker 3: it's just a different relationship when you're using it for
Speaker 3: a different purpose. But for me, because matcha Maiden was
Speaker 3: the preamed one that had to be very on brand
Speaker 3: with health and wellness and green and aesthetics, my personal page,
Speaker 3: I could do whatever. So I was like, why aren't
Speaker 3: I doing whatever? Why aren't I having more fun with it?
Speaker 3: And then I got addicted. I was like, Wow, let's
Speaker 3: go back and find all the ugliest photos that they can.
Speaker 3: And then I realized how reassured people get by that
Speaker 3: and was like, oh wow, I need to do it more,
Speaker 3: like I need to find you know, I need to
Speaker 3: try and show how much we all look when we've
Speaker 3: eaten pasta, like how different that looks to when I'm
Speaker 3: flexing my abs first thing in the morning in the gym.
Speaker 3: And I kind of really love being able to feel
Speaker 3: comfortable enough with myself now to put up those things
Speaker 3: and have a good chuckle and then make other people
Speaker 3: like sometimes now people post their own bloops, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I love that you felt good enough for yourself to
Speaker 3: do that. And it's part of that whole self love
Speaker 3: journey that if you can learn to love the besides
Speaker 3: of you that you used to cringe at, then I
Speaker 3: now I'm suddenly just so much more comfortable in myself
Speaker 3: generally because everyone's seen all angles, so there's really nothing
Speaker 3: for them not to like or accept or you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just think it also makes me
Speaker 3: feel like when I do post photos where I've had
Speaker 3: like a makeup artist for three hours and a hair
Speaker 3: person for two hours, and like lots of lighting and
Speaker 3: editing and stuff. When I do post those, I don't
Speaker 3: feel as uncomfortable anymore because I'm like, I've shown the
Speaker 3: extent of work on my face that has gone into this,
Speaker 3: so no one's being misled. You know, I want people
Speaker 3: to feel My favorite quote ever is people will never
Speaker 3: remember what you said or what you did, They'll aways
Speaker 3: remember how you made them feel. And I want everyone
Speaker 3: to feel happy and excited and confident out of every
Speaker 3: interaction they have with me. So for every good photo,
Speaker 3: I need to post a gross one for me to
Speaker 3: feel like I'm doing that.
Speaker 1: You know, I literally just adore you. No, I love
Speaker 1: what you're saying, and I really resonated where I was
Speaker 1: the same in regards to I went through a phase
Speaker 1: where I was so critical and very yeah, like every
Speaker 1: photo had to be perfect. And also in the Instagram world,
Speaker 1: where so many feeds are so curated and you can
Speaker 1: often feel like you also need to have a curated
Speaker 1: feed to sort of you know, live up to it
Speaker 1: or you know, even be recognized in the space or
Speaker 1: anything like that. So it's just so refreshing to me
Speaker 1: that you're like, no, I can look for you and
Speaker 1: I can look like this and still do what I
Speaker 1: want do my stuff, and I absolutely adore that.
Speaker 2: And I saw your photo this morning, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh god, what is my face doing.
Speaker 1: I've like, I know, I'm like I literally just looked
Speaker 1: at it again, and I'm like.
Speaker 3: Well, I look like I've been so much pain. I'm like,
Speaker 3: why is my face so screwed up? I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: it's so funny.
Speaker 2: Now that's and we absolutely love you for it.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you. I think that's the other thing is like,
Speaker 3: you want people to love you for the right reasons.
Speaker 3: You don't want them to love you because you look
Speaker 3: good with megapb. Well some people do, but I'm not
Speaker 3: a beauty blogger. I'm not, you know, I'm very simple
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, and I know how it made me
Speaker 3: feel when I saw people who I thought was super
Speaker 3: perfect when they showed a really human side of them.
Speaker 3: So I thought, if I can kind of replicate that,
Speaker 3: there's enough beautiful curative pages out there which are also
Speaker 3: aspirational and inspired, like inspiring in their own way, but
Speaker 3: there's enough of that it's easy for us to find
Speaker 3: things that are curated.
Speaker 1: You're also like this feels good for you, Like you're
Speaker 1: doing what feels good for your soul and what you
Speaker 1: want to put out there. You're just being very authentic
Speaker 1: and you're not following, you know, the usual Instagram formula
Speaker 1: or anything like that.
Speaker 2: So absolutely definitely not but it's work.
Speaker 3: I tried for a little while, and I was like,
Speaker 3: I just like I thought that I could do monochrome
Speaker 3: for a little while, Like you know how some of
Speaker 3: those people who just have like white, minimal feeds are like,
Speaker 3: my life just does not fit into that, Like nothing
Speaker 3: about me is monochrome and like minimal everything is like
Speaker 3: hectic and messy, and like, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: And that's like I remember I posted a photo I
Speaker 1: get a cole sauce all the time, and I've always
Speaker 1: got them. And I remember I used to get a
Speaker 1: call SAT and I used to like cry, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I've got to film YouTube, I've got to do this
Speaker 1: stuff like I've got herb You've upset me so much.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, one day I posted a photo and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, this came out. My first
Speaker 1: feeling was to hide it, to not show it, but
Speaker 1: then like, this is me, this is an active part
Speaker 1: of my lifestyle, like I get these every two weeks,
Speaker 1: two weeks, and I had such an overwhelming response, and
Speaker 1: it's so right, like when you show I'm doing air
Speaker 1: quotes now like the gross side of you, and you're
Speaker 1: okay with it and everyone's okay with it. It's almost
Speaker 1: like this invincible sort of feeling where you're.
Speaker 2: Like, it's all good. I don't it's all good.
Speaker 3: And it really like, even just from a personal level,
Speaker 3: a strategy to take the pressure off yourself for living
Speaker 3: up to something, even just on a selfish level, it's
Speaker 3: been amazing because now I don't feel any pressure because
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, if I have a chin or five
Speaker 3: chins in this photo, I mean I had seven last time,
Speaker 3: So this is an improvement.
Speaker 1: No, that's so good. Okay, so let's finish off the episode.
Speaker 1: The last thing I want to chat to you about
Speaker 1: is your passion project, Seize the Ya. I've already obviously
Speaker 1: spoken to you about it, and I am a big listener.
Speaker 1: I do enjoy it, and I encourage everyone else to
Speaker 1: go and listen to it.
Speaker 2: I just want to chat to you about.
Speaker 1: So where did the inspiration come from for this podcast
Speaker 1: idea and creating the podcast?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think it was another one of those moments
Speaker 3: of realizing that match I had been around for I
Speaker 3: think four years at the time, the cafe was nearly
Speaker 3: three years old, so it had been a while since
Speaker 3: I'd had a new project, and not that things get boring,
Speaker 3: but just that the learning curve gets less steep over time.
Speaker 3: I think that your comfort zone is something that really evolves.
Speaker 3: You kind of step out and often we just pat
Speaker 3: ourselves on the back for doing it once and then
Speaker 3: just stay there. But eventually, what the new thing that
Speaker 3: you're doing is going to get comfortable, and then you're
Speaker 3: going to have to, you know, find your what's your
Speaker 3: next challenge and your next stage of growth. And one
Speaker 3: of the things that I was missing was that both
Speaker 3: match of businesses are very much focused on a product
Speaker 3: and a message that isn't about your personal development so
Speaker 3: much as it is the products themselves and the benefits
Speaker 3: that they can give you. And you know the impact
Speaker 3: of plant based eating, and indirectly it's all about making
Speaker 3: you feel better and making the environment feel better. But
Speaker 3: I felt like my strongest impact, without even meaning to,
Speaker 3: my personal page had become this kind of platform for
Speaker 3: sharing the backstory, so how to find the life that
Speaker 3: you love? The questions I get most started to not
Speaker 3: be about the products of the businesses and much more
Speaker 3: about the change of life, or taking control of your
Speaker 3: happiness or anxiety, or the personal things like I think
Speaker 3: people really relate to people and people's experiences. So I
Speaker 3: realized that I was doing a lot of that on
Speaker 3: my personal page and through speaking gigs, but I didn't
Speaker 3: kind of have one spot to put all the information.
Speaker 3: And then randomly throughout the year, if I was speaking
Speaker 3: with other people, we'd have all these awesome conversations backstage
Speaker 3: or in a cab or on a plane or you know,
Speaker 3: whatever it was. And there were so many common themes
Speaker 3: and so many times that. I was like, oh gosh,
Speaker 3: that person that asked me that question last week, If
Speaker 3: I could record this conversation and send it to them,
Speaker 3: that would solve all their problems, you know. I was like,
Speaker 3: I need to be able to I'm meeting so many
Speaker 3: amazing people. I myself am getting so many incredible opportunities
Speaker 3: that I love to share how out of the blue
Speaker 3: they really came, and how much stuff happens when you
Speaker 3: just open your mind and don't get so scared about
Speaker 3: things going right for you. Yeah, it just kind of
Speaker 3: was like, how am I going to? What is the platform?
Speaker 3: What is the right platform to put that all in
Speaker 3: one spot? And I kind of thought that writing was
Speaker 3: something I love to do, but it's something we've done already.
Speaker 3: We've done a lot of blog posts. I do a
Speaker 3: lot of blog posts. Speaking is where I connect with
Speaker 3: people most strongly. And I also think it's great to
Speaker 3: hear people's voices because that's when the messages are the
Speaker 3: most relatable. When you can well obviously you can relate
Speaker 3: to them, that's why they're relatable. And hearing someone's voice
Speaker 3: is so much more powerful than seeing the words say right.
Speaker 3: I think if it comes to someone who's quite well
Speaker 3: known and who's a bit intimidating. So I was like,
Speaker 3: podcast is obviously the right thing, and it's something completely
Speaker 3: new for me. I have no experience, so again that
Speaker 3: discomfort thing. I was like, how the hell am I
Speaker 3: going to do it? I don't know, I'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: You're going to work it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then the name. I'd actually had it for
Speaker 3: two years and I didn't know what I was going
Speaker 3: to use it for, but I knew that it was
Speaker 3: my philosophy. I love the word yay because it brings
Speaker 3: that childlike sense of wonder back. It's like such a
Speaker 3: childish word, but sees the day is such a it
Speaker 3: captures everything that I'm trying to say that we're all
Speaker 3: trying to seize the day, but we're not trying. You know,
Speaker 3: it does distract from your happiness a little bit. So
Speaker 3: shifting the dialogue back to yay and joy and bringing
Speaker 3: out you in a child again, I knew I would
Speaker 3: use it for something registered it and then I was like,
Speaker 3: this is it. This is what I'm going to do.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to move all the talking that I
Speaker 3: do in random forums and put it all in one place.
Speaker 3: So everyone can kind of hear from these amazing people
Speaker 3: and hear how normal they are and how they started from.
Speaker 3: Literally everyone started from some kind of garage or basement basically,
Speaker 3: and with Google, that's how everybody started everything. Ever now yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and so then I just had you know, some amazing,
Speaker 3: amazing people who said yes very early on because we'd
Speaker 3: worked together for so many years, and that that meant
Speaker 3: the first ten episodes had really good momentum. I recorded
Speaker 3: them all kind of on one trip, so they were ready,
Speaker 3: and then that gave me a lot of time to
Speaker 3: just figure out how to edit, like what I was doing,
Speaker 3: and just like everything. Really, I think we've you think
Speaker 3: that you need to have everything sorted when you start,
Speaker 3: but you absolutely don't. I don't think I've ever known
Speaker 3: where things were going until they went there. And when
Speaker 3: you just go with the flow, things can really go well.
Speaker 3: I think, like you just put out put things out
Speaker 3: there and people will pick it up. There's someone else's
Speaker 3: always looking for exactly what you have, and there are
Speaker 3: lots of podcasts out there, but I think we all
Speaker 3: do it in our own different special ways. So even
Speaker 3: listening to I guess you've heard before interviewed by someone
Speaker 3: else might be different.
Speaker 2: I find when you listen to things at different times,
Speaker 2: you can often take different things away. So, like you said,
Speaker 2: like putting on a platform where so many people can
Speaker 2: take so many different things away from it is such
Speaker 2: a great tool.
Speaker 3: Totally, totally, even sometimes I might listen to a particular
Speaker 3: episode twice at different times and learn something different depending
Speaker 3: on the mind frame that you're in at the time, or.
Speaker 2: Too like this, like like is this normal?
Speaker 3: I think it absolutely is.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'm glad we because.
Speaker 3: You know, I think you're going through a different thing,
Speaker 3: so you'll listen out different parts will resonate differently with you.
Speaker 3: But the other thing is it was a project for
Speaker 3: me that for the first time in a very long time,
Speaker 3: I hadn't had anything that didn't have deadlines, that didn't
Speaker 3: have financial budgets, that didn't have pressure, and so I
Speaker 3: wanted a project that gave me something that I could
Speaker 3: just create when I wanted to create. And that's continued
Speaker 3: that way, Like I kind of edit when I want to.
Speaker 3: If I don't make one each week, I've managed to
Speaker 3: do somehow, But if I don't, like it's not a
Speaker 3: big deal, and no one cares, no one knows. I
Speaker 3: really enjoy that. I don't like have to do it
Speaker 3: by a particular time, and I don't have any limits
Speaker 3: on how long they have to be. You know, you
Speaker 3: just kind of go with whatever happens. And it's really
Speaker 3: freeing and lovely to have something that you do just
Speaker 3: for the sake. So I thought, if no one listens,
Speaker 3: then I still get to have these amazing conversations with people,
Speaker 3: and that's as good enough a reason as any to
Speaker 3: do something, Whereas I think we tend to worry that
Speaker 3: if it doesn't have an impact and get a million
Speaker 3: followers and make sales and do things, and it's not
Speaker 3: worth it. But I think you need to come back
Speaker 3: to if it's for your joy, that's a enough reason
Speaker 3: to do something. That's a great reason for an activity.
Speaker 1: Yes, And it's so funny. I actually said yesterday Tamel,
Speaker 1: like the greatest thing about my podcast personally is just
Speaker 1: having these conversations with people which you wouldn't usually of
Speaker 1: course in some circumstances, but you know, other people would
Speaker 1: not be able to be involved in this conversation, and
Speaker 1: just like putting it out there and just like having
Speaker 1: really good conversations like that's like one of my things
Speaker 1: I absolutely love, so I could not agree more. So Lastly,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask you, what does it mean
Speaker 1: to you to find your Yay.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of different elements to it for me,
Speaker 3: and I think one of the biggest is finding an
Speaker 3: activity that makes you forget what time it is. I
Speaker 3: think that's probably the missing element for a lot of us,
Speaker 3: even the people who have found their passion. I think
Speaker 3: finding something you're passionate about and that you love doing
Speaker 3: that really lights you up and gets you in that
Speaker 3: zone and you'll know when you feel it, like you'll
Speaker 3: recognize that this the minute you find that thing, you'll know.
Speaker 3: That's a big step. But the next step after that,
Speaker 3: which I think a lot of us haven't reached yet,
Speaker 3: is that, yes, it's so important to have passion in
Speaker 3: your life, but often that is combined with your work,
Speaker 3: and then that becomes all entangled with our ideas of
Speaker 3: success and productivity and achievement and how we define ourselves
Speaker 3: in our job and our work and all that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. But what really has come up for me
Speaker 3: in the last years is I found my passion. I
Speaker 3: found what I love and I found what lights me up,
Speaker 3: but it is also quite exhausting. So finding my true
Speaker 3: yay has been also finding activities that have nothing to
Speaker 3: do with my work and nothing to do with productivity,
Speaker 3: and that are purely for enjoyment, purely because I can
Speaker 3: lose myself and in time and not know what time
Speaker 3: or day it is or how long has passed since
Speaker 3: I've been doing it, and that I think just coming
Speaker 3: back to that inner child thing. Children don't care about
Speaker 3: anything other than the minute they're in and how much
Speaker 3: fun that minute is, and adults lose that magic, which
Speaker 3: I think then in turn affects our creativity and our work,
Speaker 3: because if you don't give your brain a rest from it,
Speaker 3: you can't be fresh, and you can't have the best ideas.
Speaker 3: You just can't keep going forever at a crazy pace
Speaker 3: and never take a break and get some perspective. So
Speaker 3: I think finding your YA involves finding all the things
Speaker 3: that light you up professionally, but then having some joy
Speaker 3: that's completely unrelated and not feeling guilty about doing it.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love that, and I could not agree more.
Speaker 1: I think also when you go off and you're doing
Speaker 1: your own thing, you do feel a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: that any spare time that you know you are working
Speaker 1: on your own business and you're being constructive, and it's
Speaker 1: definitely something that you learn along the way, like I
Speaker 1: had to learn from getting to a point of burnout,
Speaker 1: that it is okay just to do things that you
Speaker 1: know don't necessarily earn the business money or earn you
Speaker 1: money or get you further along, that you just do
Speaker 1: because you absolutely love it. So thank you so much
Speaker 1: for that. I could not agree more. And I've just
Speaker 1: had the best time chatting to you.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, me too. I feel like literally just
Speaker 3: talking about things to you know, losing your concept of time.
Speaker 3: I feel like that was like a minute.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I looked at the recording system and I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, you're like, really go for an hour? I
Speaker 1: need to wrap this up.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, I want to keep talking.
Speaker 3: We just started.
Speaker 2: We'll get up the podcast and we'll just keep talking.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for making the time today, Sarah.
Speaker 1: It has been an absolute pleasure. And I will make
Speaker 1: sure I leave all your links and all that good
Speaker 1: stuff in the show notes, but just to finish, let
Speaker 1: the audience know where they can find you and all
Speaker 1: that good stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, so many places. Everyone on Instagram. I'm
Speaker 3: spoonful of Sarah, what spoonful underscore of underscore Sarah and
Speaker 3: sees underscore the underscore yea, and to match your underscore
Speaker 3: Maiden and to match your underscore milk Bar. Any of
Speaker 3: those and dms and comments and everything will get through
Speaker 3: to me directly on my phone, so I'm not hard
Speaker 3: to get onto. Then there's spoonful of Sarah dot com,
Speaker 3: match Yourmaiden dot com and match your milk bar dot com.
Speaker 3: There's email, There's like a million different ways you can
Speaker 3: get to meet. There's LinkedIn everything, so I'm sure you
Speaker 3: won't have any trouble.
Speaker 2: Have fun with that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go to town.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much, Sarah, Thank you, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for listening into this week's episode. If you love
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