WEBVTT - Seizing your YAY with Sara Holloway: Getting in touch with your inner child, dealing with overwhelm & leaving a corporate job 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.879 Hi, and welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.280 your host, Georgie Stevenson. I am a lawyer and health coach, 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:17.079 social media influencer, wife and dog mum. On the Rise 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:22.840 and Conquer Podcast, we dive deep into all things mindset, habits, career, health, 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.680 relationships and more. This is a podcast for women who 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.560 want to rise up to be the best version of themselves, 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.080 who have big dreams in who are willing to put 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.320 in the work to get there. I want to bring 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:38.080 you the tools and actionable steps to feel confident in yourself, 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:43.240 inspired to take bold action, and motivated to conquer your goals. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:58.560 Are you with me, girl friends, Let's rise and conquer. Hi, guys, 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.760 and welcome to another episode of the Rise and Conquer Podcast. Today, 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.200 I have a very exciting guest for you. 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.080 It is Sarah Holloway. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.959 Sarah started her working life as an international lawyer, and 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.959 while she enjoyed her time there, she found it increasingly 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:18.440 challenging to juggle the all consuming corporate lifestyle with her 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:23.800 personal passions of wellbeing, creativity, and adventure. In pursuit of balance, 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:27.759 Sarah and her partner started matcha Maiden, closing our gap. 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.440 They discovered in the health food market for Matcha green 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.760 tea powder. Sarah has now hung up her suits and 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.280 heels to step into business full time. She also has 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:41.440 an amazing podcast called Seize the Ya, which investigates the 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:45.880 difference between success and happiness and the importance of cultivating 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.600 joy in your everyday life. In this episode, me and 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.960 Sarah chat about her transition from leaving corporate and starting 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.280 her own business, dealing with stress and overwhelmed with all 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.559 her many projects, and why getting out of your comfort 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.880 zone is a muster. I'm so excited to share this 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:04.000 episode with you guys. 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.320 I hope you enjoy it. Hi, Sarah, thank you so 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:08.880 much for coming on episode today. 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.880 Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.080 I've listened so much to Rise and Conquer and to 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.160 actually be on it. It's like the coolest thing ever. Swapping 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:19.560 sides with the microphone. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.640 I know it is cool. And yeah, I'm such a 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:23.800 big fan of CZA. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.720 I was just telling Sarah before, I've listened to every episode, 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:31.160 so I was so excited. So as I ask all 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.320 my guests, what is one thing big or small that 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.400 you are rising up and conquering this week? 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:40.520 I've been trying to actually flip the whole idea of 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:45.280 rising and conquering this week, and usually I'm literally trying 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.799 to conquer something new or trying to get out of 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.520 the comfort zone and challenge myself and kind of, you know, 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:52.840 in that fast pace, like go go, go, keep learning. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.560 Oh my god, new things are exciting. But I've been 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.000 traveling a lot the last couple of weeks, and I've 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:01.079 had some really amazing momentum in lots of different areas. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.760 And this week is the first week that I've been 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.760 home in a row and nixt been home at the 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:08.880 same time for seven whole days, and I was like, 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:13.040 I need to rise and conquer just chilling out a 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:17.560 little bit, and I am not good at it. I 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:19.280 love it once I get there, but it takes me 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.840 so long to just kind of put on the brakes 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.440 and slow the momentum and kill the adrenaline and actually 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.320 get back in touch with how I really feel. I 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.840 get too excited about life and too excited about everything 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.680 that's going on, so it's hard for me to go slower. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.200 But I was like, I can feel that I'm getting 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.040 back into the habits that lead to burnout, so I 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.360 was like, stop now, read some books, do the bare 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.240 minimum that you need to do to get through this week, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:46.760 and then next week you can go back to the 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.680 to the crazy, but this week you need to slow down. 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.360 So I'm trying my very best. 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.120 It's refreshing because yeah, usually everyone's you know, got this 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.960 big project or they're doing this new thing, but sometimes 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.120 you do you just need a week of nothing to stay, 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.280 you know, to maintain and just just sort of catch 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.119 yourself again totally. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.160 And it's so hard to do when you're doing something 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.880 that you find really exciting and where there's always something 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.080 else on your to do list, right, so it never ends. 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:21.320 So having to impose that self ban on like activity. 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.719 I know it's hard and you almost like you feel 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.680 guilty because there is always something else you could be doing, 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.560 but it doesn't necessarily mean you could. 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:33.719 Absolutely, So that's what I'm trying to do. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:36.000 Well, good luck with that. 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:38.840 It's a lot of easy into it. So that's good 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.320 you did come on the podcast. So but to me, 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:43.239 that is kind. 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.520 Of making space. You know, that's something I don't kind 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.599 of make space in the week for enough, or you know, 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.560 I'm always kind of so busy doing our stuff that 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.320 I sometimes forget to like come out of the hermit 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.359 shell and do stuff like this, or I'll you know, 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:57.800 get halfway through the week and be like, oh my god, 0:04:57.839 --> 0:04:59.839 I need a postpone, Like there's so much other crack 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:00.320 going on. 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.239 But well, thank you for making the time. I'm glad 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:07.920 you're having one of those weeks. So for those who 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:09.920 don't know who you are, can you give us a 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:13.520 little insight on who Sarah is and your journey up 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:15.880 to now, just like a quick little intro for us. 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.680 Yeah. So, I like to call myself a lawyer turned 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.800 entrepreneur and now podcaster. So I started off on a 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:28.760 really traditional corporate pathway. I studied law for seven years. 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.360 I think it took me to finish my degree, and 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:35.280 then got into a really amazing international law firm that 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:39.520 had lots of great opportunities. I learned an enormous amount. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.440 I don't think at the time I thought I would 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.640 be there forever. But I also don't think I was 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.720 looking to leave straight away. I think I thought I'd 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.680 spend the start of my career there, figure out you 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.320 know what I like, what I don't like, get some experience, 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.039 make some networks, but I had always, you know, through 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:59.960 my whole childhood, I'd always been half super super nerve, 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.960 book smart bookworm, and then half super ARTI farty, crazy 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.640 muso dancer person. And through UNI, I was kind of 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.719 able to do an arts degree at the same time, 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:11.599 so I could balance it out. But I found as 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:15.200 soon as I got into the professional environment, you know, 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.640 the hours are so long, that the hobbies started to 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:19.719 drop off, and that side of me kind of started 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.640 to wither a little bit. So I'd noticed it, but I, 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.039 you know, I was still I got to work in 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.480 Hong Kong. I worked on an amazing deal over there. 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.320 I had a really good time. I think the law 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.760 firm was a really great start to my career, but 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:38.240 I ended up getting itchy feet quite early and took 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.040 a month off in my first year, which is very 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.960 unheard of. To work in Africa with Nick whose creative 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:47.840 agency had been working with the five cent campaign and Wygap, 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.040 and they took us to one of the schools in Rwanda, 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:55.279 which was, as you can imagine, an incredibly, incredibly transformative 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.240 experience that really changed kind of the way we think 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.480 about ourselves and the world. But I got a parasite 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.400 while I was over there, which is you know, one 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:06.560 of the side effects of hardcore third world country travel. 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.480 And I came back. I think I lost maybe five 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:12.360 kiloes when we were there, and then when I got home, 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:16.360 I lost another ten, So I lost fifteen kilos in total. Wow, 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.240 I know, and I'm quite slender, so I didn't you 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.640 have that much to lose in the first place. And 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.880 typical A type, I ignored all the signs. I was like, 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:28.560 I'll think my way out of it. I went straight 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:31.400 back to work and just kept kind of smashing myself 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:34.240 and hadn't developed any kind of relationship with well being 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:38.000 or self care and ended up with a drenal fatigue. 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.840 So in that context, I was told I couldn't drink 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.240 coffee anymore, which was you know at the time, like 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:48.280 I was like mainlining. It was my bloodstream was coffee, 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.320 and yeah, my drenal system couldn't handle it. I'd have 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.240 like a full panic attack every time i'd have try 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.840 and have a cup of coffee. So then when I 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.880 got sent to Hong Kong, I sort of was like, well, 0:07:57.880 --> 0:07:59.840 how am I going to survive this? M and A 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.760 is very long hours closing deals and then Hong Kong 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.160 on top of that is like a city that never sleeps, 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.600 so it's even more long hours, and I just thought, 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.320 how am I going to cope without caffeine? But I 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.480 ended up discovering over there that matcha has a really 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.400 solid amount of caffeine, but is much gentler on your 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.240 adrenal system and your body generally because it has a 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:23.600 unique amino acid in it called elthenine, which makes it 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.240 slow release into the bloodstream. So I had no idea 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.920 about any of this at the time, but fast discovered 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.440 how amazing it is in terms of giving you a 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.640 really solid energy boost. But if you're sensitive to caffeine 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:40.120 or going through some kind of health discovery journey, I 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:42.599 could cope with it. And so Nick came over a 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.640 couple of times and he started using it, and we 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:48.160 realized how versatile it was because it was a powder, 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.079 so either if you like the flavor, you could have 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:51.679 it by itself, or if you don't, you could kind 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.560 of hide it in a smoothie or bliss balls. And 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.800 then came home and we couldn't find it anywhere, so 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.760 we thought, you know, this is weird. Everyone's got Green 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.480 Payer outed, you know, everything we're drinking sperollina, so surely 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.920 we could drink something that's green powdered that is as 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:10.440 beneficial but tastes much better. But no one was selling it, 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.160 even though the health food market was booming. So we 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.319 went online, found some from a tea farm in Japan. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.600 We tested about fifty different kinds I think found one 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.600 that we liked, ordered the minimum order, which was ten kilos, 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.679 and it turned up and it was way too much 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:28.960 tea for two people, and yeah, that it literally the 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.640 business journey started from realizing we had to get rid 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.240 of some of it somehow and deciding that it'd be 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:38.240 a really a nice way to kind of spend more 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.240 time together and do something a little bit creative together 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.600 that was different to anything either of us were doing. 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:48.040 And we knocked up an Instagram page. We had the 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.760 website going within I think it was two weeks or 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.880 something like that, because Nick luckily has a creative agency 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:57.720 which is super handy, and yeah, and then it's just 0:09:57.840 --> 0:09:59.920 literally been much of madness. Is then that was like 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.280 the very very end of twenty fourteen. Started twenty fifteen. 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.920 I left my job six months after that because the 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:11.840 power of Instagram and digital e commerce and the power 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:13.760 of being first to market as well just meant we 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.240 exploded to the point where we were packing it ourselves. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.480 So someone had to leave, and it made sense for 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:21.960 me to do it because I'd found that this was 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.080 kind of reigniting all the parts of me that I 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:28.680 had forgotten were there. And yeah, and now it's been 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:34.240 nearly five years since then, Oh my gosh, wow, so random. 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.520 Well I've heard your story before obviously, but not like 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.360 you just explained it then, and that is crazy. 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.880 Yeah, I mean even when I say it sometimes I'm like, 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.600 oh my god, did that really happened? Like I still 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:51.920 wake up and I'm like, what am I doing? Like 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:52.920 how did I get here? 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:54.880 That's amazing? 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.640 And I just love so much that it just came 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.880 from a need and you saw the gap in the 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.679 market and you feeled it and it just worked, and 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:05.319 I love it so much. 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:06.960 Obviously we have similar journeys. 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.640 I was in law and left to follow my passion, 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:15.480 and much like you in regards to I always had 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.319 a creative sort of side of me, but I very 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:23.360 much pushed it down and I kind of didn't let 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.520 it come out until I started, you know, blogging and 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:31.640 stuff on Instagram. I wanted to ask you because I 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:36.040 kind of do remember a moment during my career when 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.360 I thought, no, actually, this isn't what I'm going to do. 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.840 I know, I've just studied a law degree, I know 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.199 I've been through it all, but I'm actually going to 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:45.960 completely Do you know a. 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.840 One eighty here? Do you have a certain moment where 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.160 that happened for you with leading law? 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.160 Yeah, I think it was the moment. I'm sure you 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.160 get asked this question so much, and I do too, 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:58.640 so I reflect on it a lot, and I think 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.080 it was. You know, the beginning, it was a really 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:05.480 exciting side hustle hobby, but you really don't go into 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.640 it ever thinking that it would become big enough to 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.400 replace your wage or to become a lifestyle. You know, 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.320 it's just too good to be true once you open 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:16.240 the floodgates. So I stayed in the firm for another 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.520 six months when we first started, because you know, we 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.920 were waiting to see how much it grew. And really 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.439 it just happened so quickly that I didn't really even 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.120 have time to think about it. We were just like, crap, 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.319 we need packers, and crap, we need this and oh 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.880 my god, stock and blah blah. It wasn't really until 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:38.680 it became mutually exclusive, like the minute that I realized 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.679 I couldn't do both, like I couldn't have one foot 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.880 in each door and like have that safe fallback position 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.280 of kind of having both. Basically, for us, it was 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:51.040 an actual opportunity that came up that I realized we 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.120 would have to say no to if I kept my 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.560 job because no one could fulfill the order. So we'd 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.600 gotten big enough, quick enough to get under the radar, 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.440 onto the radar sorry of urban outfitters across the US. 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.240 They'd found us on Instagram, and wow, I know, like 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.280 we just that's you know, that's kind of how fast 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:13.439 we grew from a product that everyone wanted. But you know, 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:14.720 a lot of people had heard of it, but no 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.520 one could find it in cool packaging. So they had 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.680 found us and asked for I think they got a 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.720 few samples, and you know that, I thought, yeah, cool, 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.599 they're happy with it. They might order like twenty or 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.040 maybe like fifty bags. I think they ordered like ten 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:32.200 thousand or something like that, and we were just like, 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.880 we haven't scored ten thousand in the last six months, 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.720 Like I just don't know how that's gonna happen. 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:38.360 Oh wow. 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.679 But it wasn't really until that moment that I realized 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.560 this has gotten big enough that it has a life 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.559 of its own, and that it's something that is presenting 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.679 opportunities where if I left, you know, I would have 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:54.800 enough things to do. I wouldn't just literally be sitting 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:56.320 there all day like do do do do? Do? What 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.400 do I do now? And it was making money and 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.559 we you know, we didn't not take an investment. We 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.640 didn't need it. It was kind of set up in 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.439 such a good way that we didn't have any overheads, 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.160 and we've done so much about ourselves. So the moment 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:12.720 of realizing I would leave was it happened within two weeks. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.199 Like we got the offer, I realized it was impossible 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.160 to say yes unless I left. Then had to grapple 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.440 really fast with what that meant and how much risk 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.360 and all like. It was just such an intense, crazy time. 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.840 But I'm kind of glad looking back that there was 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.920 a timeline, because otherwise I might not have been forced. 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:31.960 I would have just kept sitting in the comfort zone. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:36.040 But I realized I always make decisions based on what 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:37.880 can I never do again. What is the once in 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:42.440 a lifetime opportunity? And law is an industry that's not 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.840 going to go anywhere. We are always going to need lawyers. 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.280 Our qualifications will always be there and they will always 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:50.920 be relevant. Whereas this opportunity to be the first matterom 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.640 Eben Outfitters, like, that's really a once in a lifetime opportunity. 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.720 So what am I going to look back on and regret? 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.360 And yeah, so I literally two weeks after that, I 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:07.000 think maybe less maybe ten days, I resigned and haven't 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.320 looked back. I don't think I've had time to look back. 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.040 So that's crazy. 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:17.120 And our journeys are so similar in that regard where 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.800 I was the same where I just thought, you know, 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.800 if I look back, I think I'm gonna regret if 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:28.120 I don't take this very unusual sort of chance where 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.840 my law degree will always be there and you need 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.160 to be pushed into a corner. 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.200 I was. I was kind of like, I just. 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:42.240 Wasn't giving my law job one hundred percent, and I 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.040 wasn't giving my side a hustle one hundred percent, and 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.720 I was really in this place where that didn't feel 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.600 good to me, and I was like I need to 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:54.320 pick one because it's just working. And so when you 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.160 were sort of making that decision, did you have any 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:03.600 like gut feelings or regrets or not necessarily regrets, but 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.040 did you really struggle with it or did you just 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.000 make the decision and that was it. 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:12.480 I think both. I think my gut was telling me. So. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.000 I don't know if you know, but I was adopted 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:15.840 when I was six months old from Southkorea. So I've 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.520 always had this like sense of that sliding gaus feeling 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.320 of like how lucky we are to have been some 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.440 people to have been born in this country and me 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.600 to have ended up here, like it was only a 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:28.480 once in a million chance that I would end up 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.360 in such an amazing society and that we would be 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.480 born in this time as well, where you can do 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.680 anything like this. It's not a recession, it's a it's 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:38.760 not the depression. There's not a war going in you know, 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:40.960 there's no world wars like obviously in other you know, 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:44.160 in Australia particularly, we're very very lucky with the stability 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:48.440 and the appetite for small business and innovation and all 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:49.000 that stuff. 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:50.880 I had social media. 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.440 Yeah, so on the one hand, I was like, oh 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.480 my god, I know that I have to give this 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:59.480 a try because I will never be able to make 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.000 this decision. And again, you know, like in twenty years, 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:03.400 you don't know what the world's going to look like, 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:07.160 but lawyers will always be there. And I just felt 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:11.119 so lit up. I realized that my dominant side has 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.639 always been the creative side, and I was so I 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.080 was such a different person once we started the business 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:20.160 that I started to recognize myself again. So deep down 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.359 I knew that this was too exciting, it was too promising. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.240 Even financially it actually made sense because as I'm sure 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.040 you know, lawyers don't make nearly as much as you 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:31.720 think they do for the hours that they work. It 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:36.480 doesn't actually work out to be that financially sensible, you know, 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.479 you know, I mean it does eventually, but like at 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.359 the beginning, yeah, there's a lot of hours for you know, 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.399 it's a really tough schalog at the start, and just 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.200 for the freedom and excitement, yeah, I just I definitely 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.760 had a feeling dipped down, but I still my like 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.320 a type conservative risk aversal lawyer. Self was like, I 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.080 have to go through all the risks and I have 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:59.440 to really be sure that this is the right decision. Yeah, 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.200 And that side of me was like at the time, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.520 like I'll tell you because most people don't actually understand 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.159 what I say. The kind of sacrifice was even bigger 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.600 because I was about to start so I was meant 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.440 to move six months later to Brisbane and then to 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.760 Canberra to do a High Court associate ship with who 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:23.760 is now the Chief Justice, so chief Justice Keefle, and God, like, 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:25.639 you know what that means? Most people don't know, So 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:26.600 I don't mention it because. 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.639 They're like I would like my eyes like all this 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.600 up there and I was like what right? So that 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:37.439 was like everyone else was like, yeah, like I have 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:38.480 no idea what you're talking about. 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.720 Cool, but I'm like, you have no idea what that meant. 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.399 At the time, you know, that was I'd applied for 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.359 it like six years before and build up to being 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.640 able to work alongside the Chief Justice in the High Court. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.399 Like my legal nerd brain was like, oh my god, 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.280 so it would involve giving that up too, So like 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:02.240 the weight of what I was leaving, I definitely agonized. 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:07.960 I agonized every minute until the overarching decision in the 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.359 end was I can go back. I had a really 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.280 good relationship with my partner at the firm. He kind 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.520 of almost said, if it doesn't go well, you can 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:19.680 come back. So I was like, well, then there's really 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:20.680 nothing to lose, is there. 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:25.760 That's amazing, And so I want to switch gears a 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:30.600 little bit. Obviously you have Matcha Maiden and you also 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:35.800 have your own little cafe, which is Matcha Milkbar. So 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.840 I love that sort of switch, Like, I personally wouldn't 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:43.480 think that that would happen, but obviously it's going so well. 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.359 And so I want to chat to you about since 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:52.080 leaving your legal career and pursuing your passions, what is 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.159 it like. What is a typical day in the life like. 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.400 It's obviously can be so different. 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.080 And I personally hate when peoplasi this because I'm like, 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:02.800 it's just so different every single day. 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.199 But if you can give us a little snapshot. 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.680 Yeah, So I think that's probably one of the things 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:09.800 that took me the longest to get used to, is 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:14.600 you go from such a structured, predictable life to like 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:18.840 a complete clusterfuck. You just have no structure, You have 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.119 no one telling you you know that you should stop 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:22.640 at the end of the day. Or that you should eat. 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.000 And it took me a really really long time to 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.960 figure out what kind of weak structure works and the 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:31.000 fact that you do need a little bit of structure, 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.480 Like I really love the idea of total spontanating control 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:38.000 for a little while, but then eventually realize that everyone 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:39.959 needs a bit of routine and structure in their life 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.080