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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the Rise and Conquer Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Georgie Stevenson. I am a lawyer and health coach,

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Speaker 1: social media influencer, wife and dog mum. On the Rise

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Speaker 1: and Conquer Podcast, we dive deep into all things mindset, habits, career, health,

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Speaker 1: relationships and more. This is a podcast for women who

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Speaker 1: want to rise up to be the best version of themselves,

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Speaker 1: who have big dreams in who are willing to put

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Speaker 1: in the work to get there. I want to bring

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Speaker 1: you the tools and actionable steps to feel confident in yourself,

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Speaker 1: inspired to take bold action, and motivated to conquer your goals.

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Speaker 1: Are you with me, girl friends, Let's rise and conquer. Hi, guys,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of the Rise and Conquer Podcast. Today,

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Speaker 1: I have a very exciting guest for you.

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Speaker 2: It is Sarah Holloway.

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Speaker 1: Sarah started her working life as an international lawyer, and

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Speaker 1: while she enjoyed her time there, she found it increasingly

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Speaker 1: challenging to juggle the all consuming corporate lifestyle with her

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Speaker 1: personal passions of wellbeing, creativity, and adventure. In pursuit of balance,

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Speaker 1: Sarah and her partner started matcha Maiden, closing our gap.

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Speaker 1: They discovered in the health food market for Matcha green

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Speaker 1: tea powder. Sarah has now hung up her suits and

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Speaker 1: heels to step into business full time. She also has

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Speaker 1: an amazing podcast called Seize the Ya, which investigates the

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Speaker 1: difference between success and happiness and the importance of cultivating

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Speaker 1: joy in your everyday life. In this episode, me and

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Speaker 1: Sarah chat about her transition from leaving corporate and starting

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Speaker 1: her own business, dealing with stress and overwhelmed with all

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Speaker 1: her many projects, and why getting out of your comfort

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Speaker 1: zone is a muster. I'm so excited to share this

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Speaker 1: episode with you guys.

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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy it. Hi, Sarah, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for coming on episode today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 3: I've listened so much to Rise and Conquer and to

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Speaker 3: actually be on it. It's like the coolest thing ever. Swapping

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Speaker 2: I know it is cool. And yeah, I'm such a

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Speaker 2: big fan of CZA.

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Speaker 1: I was just telling Sarah before, I've listened to every episode,

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Speaker 1: so I was so excited. So as I ask all

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Speaker 1: my guests, what is one thing big or small that

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Speaker 1: you are rising up and conquering this week?

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Speaker 3: I've been trying to actually flip the whole idea of

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Speaker 3: rising and conquering this week, and usually I'm literally trying

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Speaker 3: in that fast pace, like go go, go, keep learning.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, new things are exciting. But I've been

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Speaker 3: traveling a lot the last couple of weeks, and I've

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Speaker 3: had some really amazing momentum in lots of different areas.

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Speaker 3: And this week is the first week that I've been

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Speaker 3: But I was like, I can feel that I'm getting

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Speaker 1: It's refreshing because yeah, usually everyone's you know, got this

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Speaker 3: And it's so hard to do when you're doing something

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Speaker 3: So having to impose that self ban on like activity.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of easy into it. So that's good

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Speaker 1: But well, thank you for making the time. I'm glad

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I like to call myself a lawyer turned

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Speaker 1: And I just love so much that it just came

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Speaker 3: have like a lot of energy and people facing energy.

436
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Speaker 3: And then Mondays and Wednesdays tend to be my computer

437
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Speaker 3: admin days where I do like our tacks and all

438
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Speaker 3: our back end admin work on product development or recipes

439
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: or ingredients for you know, new formulations or whatever it is.

440
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 3: The sitting down and the hardcore financials and all that

441
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 3: stuff happens on a Monday and a Wednesday, and then

442
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 3: Friday's just kind of the leftover, like whatever else is

443
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 3: spilled over. If we have content shoots for matching made

444
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Speaker 3: and or match of milkbar. I tend to do that

445
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 3: on Friday because it's kind of when my energy is,

446
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 3: you know, a bit tired for the week, so I

447
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 3: do the more fun things. And then in between all

448
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 3: of that, I have gotten much much better at quarantining weekends.

449
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: I never used to kind of take them, and then

450
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 3: I burnt out again and realized everyone needs a break,

451
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 3: even if you love what you're doing. So Saturdays there's

452
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 3: often there's actually a lot of events I think on

453
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: Saturday's in health and wellness, so I sometimes still have

454
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 3: to do a little bit of work or be at

455
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 3: the cafe. And then Sundays am I complete. I call

456
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 3: them sloth Sundays, like I don't move, I just watch Netflix,

457
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 3: I read a crime book, or like sleeping till midday

458
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 3: or whatever it is. I'm like super lazy. I'm just

459
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 3: a lazy person in an excited person's body. The only

460
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: other thing that's I try and keep consistent is exercise,

461
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 3: because again, like the first year of business, I didn't

462
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 3: exercise at all. I thought I'm moving into wellness. I'm

463
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 3: going to be like the wellest person ever. But I

464
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 3: just never took breaks. And you kind of feel like

465
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: your own wellness ironically becomes your last priority because your

466
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 3: business is what is driving you. But now I'm really

467
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,239
Speaker 3: careful to make sure that it you know, for your

468
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: physical health, but also your mental health. It's so important

469
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 3: to get the blood flowing and get your body moving.

470
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: So at the moment, I'm quite run heavy because we're

471
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 3: working with Nike towards a half marathon, and I'm the

472
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: most run averse person in the world. But I've slowly

473
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 3: been converted and now I love a good run. I

474
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 3: don't know how I used to hate it. So I

475
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: run a couple of times a week. I lift weights.

476
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 3: When I wasn't running, I was doing more yoga and pilates.

477
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: I love Reformer or like hot polarates. Yeah, a bit

478
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 3: of everything. And then there's all lots of random crap

479
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 3: that comes up in between lots of speaking gigs and

480
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: a bit of travel, and then the podcast somehow fits

481
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 3: in to all of that.

482
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Speaker 1: I love what you said about, you know, having specific

483
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: days for your meeting days, for your admin days. I

484
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: definitely try to do that in regards of like batching

485
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: content and you know, like smashing an all in one day,

486
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: because I found at the start, I really struggle, especially

487
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Speaker 1: with me personally, you know, having Instagram, having you having

488
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: a blog, having Naked Harvest, having a podcast. You very

489
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: much feel like you need to be over everything, but

490
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: it's hard to actually get into, you know, the grits

491
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: of it all when you're constantly changing. So I love

492
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: that you touched on that, and then also you touched

493
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: on you know, making sure you do that so you

494
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: don't get overwhelmed and you don't go into burnout, which

495
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure we've all been there, so feeling on that one.

496
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: But is there anything else that you personally do or

497
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: you recommend so you're not going into burnout which then

498
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: takes so much more time to recover.

499
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this's gosh, so many things. It's probably one of

500
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 3: the hardest parts of the journey. I've found, Like obviously

501
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: this you know, building a business and running businesses and

502
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: stepping out of your comfort zone and leaving a job,

503
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: all of that is so scary and overwhelming and different.

504
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 3: But actually just managing myself has been the most difficult,

505
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: I think, because it's like a constant fight with yourself

506
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 3: because you don't want to stop. Like it's very, very

507
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: hard to stop when you're doing something you love that's

508
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: going well. So I think one of the things I've

509
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: learned is to try to rest before you feel like

510
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 3: you need it, which is even harder to do. But

511
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: you kind of have to block out days or times

512
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,959
Speaker 3: or whatever it is for you. For me, it's Sundays

513
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 3: because I think every time zone in the world is

514
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 3: on a weekend on a Sunday, so you can't really

515
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 3: feel guilty. But whatever it is for you, even if

516
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 3: it's not one full day but like an hour here

517
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 3: and there, I think you have to block it out

518
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 3: and do it as a routine, not wait until you're

519
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 3: tired to do it, because that's when it's too late

520
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 3: almost to kind of bring yourself back. And also even

521
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 3: for people who are super connected with their bodies, who

522
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 3: are in wellness, you know, our industry is all about that,

523
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,959
Speaker 3: so you would think I would be more connected with

524
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 3: my body than most. But adrenaline is also a really

525
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: tricky kind of energy because it makes you think that

526
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 3: you're feeling good for short bursts of time when you're

527
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 3: really excited, but it tricks you sometimes when you actually

528
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 3: have a totally empty tank, but you just can pull

529
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: it together, you know, for an event or whatever. So

530
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: sometimes you think you feel good, but you really do

531
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: need some time. So I kind of think if you

532
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: preemptively block out, it's a lot of trial and error

533
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 3: to figure out where your balance is. But if you

534
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: roughly know what helps you, especially if you have such

535
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 3: a busy life when you are on what roughly helps

536
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 3: you maintain that without burning out, then just block it

537
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: out in advance, block it out in your calendar. What

538
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 3: I've had to do is put those you know, the

539
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: day structures. I put those things in my calendar so

540
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: that there's a mental trigger if I try and put

541
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 3: anything on top of those things. You know, it's a

542
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 3: visual queue of like actually I meant to be at

543
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: yoga at that time, or you know, everything has to

544
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: be in the calendar with the same importance as a meeting,

545
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: because otherwise your brain won't give it the same importance,

546
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 3: and when it comes to it, you'll just push every

547
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 3: thing over the top of it because you don't see that,

548
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 3: you know it's blocked out. So I think, really, just

549
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: get to know yourself and then preempt your bad decisions

550
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 3: and kind of idiot prove your calendar so that you

551
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 3: make sure that you're never running yourself too low before

552
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 3: you've realized.

553
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: That's such a good actionable step. And I also love

554
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: the whole doing like even if you're like, oh no,

555
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: I feel fine, like doing it before the burnout because yeah,

556
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: like you said, it's a lot harder to get out

557
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: of it once you're in it. So yeah, preempting it.

558
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

559
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: And also I just want to ask you, so obviously

560
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: you have an amazing Instagram. What your Instagram boyfriends? That

561
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: made me laugh?

562
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: In a world everyone go check them out, So in

563
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: a world where like everyone seems so perfect, what inspires

564
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: you to be like less glamorous and just very authentic?

565
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: It's very refreshing. I love that about you.

566
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. I have so much fun with it.

567
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: I think what happened was because I'm like an uber dog,

568
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: and I think you would feel pretty similar coming from

569
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: a corporate or like legal background, where Instagram is not

570
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: a thing. It's so foreign when you first move into it,

571
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: you know, you're not used to people knowing who you

572
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: are or caring what you ate, or it's just such

573
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: a different world that at the beginning, I obviously when

574
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: you're taking photos is when you're at events or when

575
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: you're dressed up and you're kind of showing all the

576
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: highlights because that's all you think to post. I realized

577
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: after a little while that I just started to feel

578
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: a bit uncomfortable. That I was like, everyone thinks that

579
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: that's what I look like all the time, and I don't.

580
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: And then I would get to the point where I

581
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: wanted to post some new content and I wouldn't have

582
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: any content that looked like that because I most of

583
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 3: my days like inactive wear with no makeup on my

584
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 3: conscious pedomas working from bed, and like, I think it

585
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: came from the struggle of realizing that I don't have

586
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: enough photos like that, because that isn't enough of my life.

587
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: That then I was like, well, what does that tell me?

588
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: That I've created this like view of myself that I

589
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 3: feel like I have to live up to every photo,

590
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 3: but I don't look like that enough the time equals

591
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: I'm not portraying enough of the real what I actually

592
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: am doing. And the only way that I could make

593
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: myself get comfortable then was to start kind of posting

594
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: some of the crappiest stuff. And also from a personal

595
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 3: confidence point of view, I realized, you know, I think

596
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 3: we've all gone through a phase where way too selective

597
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: about the photos that we post, like, oh no, I

598
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: don't like that one, Like I'm going to take it again,

599
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: like let me, you know, fix my arm or whatever

600
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: it is. We all go through that hypocritical phase, and

601
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: I realized the only way to kind of let myself

602
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: like liberate myself from that was to just put up

603
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: the ugliest photo that I hated the most and then

604
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: to realize that nothing happens. So I kind of I'm

605
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 3: a bit of a discomfort junkie. Once I realized how

606
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 3: comfortable I had gotten in law and how much I

607
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: didn't grow, I'm kind of now addicted to. Once I

608
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 3: get too comfortable, I'm like, what can I do That's

609
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: like so uncomfortable and unpleasant that then I have conquered it,

610
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: you know, risen and conquered it just by putting it

611
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: out there. I remember one day when I was like,

612
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: every photo I've posted has been like a whole ordeal

613
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: of like choosing the right one and then editing the

614
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 3: filter and then putting it on them, righting the caption,

615
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm just going to say, screw it.

616
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: I'm just going to put up this freaking awful chin

617
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: photo that's like mid movement with one eye half open.

618
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: I just put it up there and see what happens.

619
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: And like, the response was so amazing. People were genuinely surprised,

620
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: but also just so like they had a giggle. They

621
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 3: loved it. They just thought it was the best thing

622
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: of it. And I thought it was the best thing

623
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: ever because then I was like, oh my god, now

624
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 3: that's that's the bar. That's the bar. So anything that

625
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: I post on top of that as a bonus. And

626
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: it just in one moment just kind of changed my

627
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: standards and my whole relationship with Instagram and social media

628
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: because suddenly I felt not that I felt like a

629
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: fraud before, but I felt like I wasn't really putting

630
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: out who I actually am. And I know that for

631
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: some people that's more important than others. All. For some people,

632
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: their brand is being quite preened, and that's you know,

633
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: it's just a different relationship when you're using it for

634
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: a different purpose. But for me, because matcha Maiden was

635
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: the preamed one that had to be very on brand

636
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: with health and wellness and green and aesthetics, my personal page,

637
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: I could do whatever. So I was like, why aren't

638
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 3: I doing whatever? Why aren't I having more fun with it?

639
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: And then I got addicted. I was like, Wow, let's

640
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: go back and find all the ugliest photos that they can.

641
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: And then I realized how reassured people get by that

642
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: and was like, oh wow, I need to do it more,

643
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 3: like I need to find you know, I need to

644
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: try and show how much we all look when we've

645
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: eaten pasta, like how different that looks to when I'm

646
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: flexing my abs first thing in the morning in the gym.

647
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: And I kind of really love being able to feel

648
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: comfortable enough with myself now to put up those things

649
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: and have a good chuckle and then make other people

650
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: like sometimes now people post their own bloops, and I'm like, oh,

651
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: I love that you felt good enough for yourself to

652
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: do that. And it's part of that whole self love

653
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 3: journey that if you can learn to love the besides

654
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 3: of you that you used to cringe at, then I

655
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 3: now I'm suddenly just so much more comfortable in myself

656
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: generally because everyone's seen all angles, so there's really nothing

657
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: for them not to like or accept or you know,

658
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just think it also makes me

659
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: feel like when I do post photos where I've had

660
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: like a makeup artist for three hours and a hair

661
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: person for two hours, and like lots of lighting and

662
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: editing and stuff. When I do post those, I don't

663
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: feel as uncomfortable anymore because I'm like, I've shown the

664
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 3: extent of work on my face that has gone into this,

665
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: so no one's being misled. You know, I want people

666
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: to feel My favorite quote ever is people will never

667
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 3: remember what you said or what you did, They'll aways

668
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 3: remember how you made them feel. And I want everyone

669
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: to feel happy and excited and confident out of every

670
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: interaction they have with me. So for every good photo,

671
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: I need to post a gross one for me to

672
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: feel like I'm doing that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I literally just adore you. No, I love

674
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: what you're saying, and I really resonated where I was

675
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: the same in regards to I went through a phase

676
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: where I was so critical and very yeah, like every

677
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: photo had to be perfect. And also in the Instagram world,

678
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: where so many feeds are so curated and you can

679
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: often feel like you also need to have a curated

680
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: feed to sort of you know, live up to it

681
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: or you know, even be recognized in the space or

682
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: anything like that. So it's just so refreshing to me

683
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: that you're like, no, I can look for you and

684
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: I can look like this and still do what I

685
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: want do my stuff, and I absolutely adore that.

686
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: And I saw your photo this morning, I was like,

687
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: oh god, what is my face doing.

688
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: I've like, I know, I'm like I literally just looked

689
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: at it again, and I'm like.

690
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 3: Well, I look like I've been so much pain. I'm like,

691
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: why is my face so screwed up? I'm like, no,

692
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 3: it's so funny.

693
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: Now that's and we absolutely love you for it.

694
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 3: Oh thank you. I think that's the other thing is like,

695
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 3: you want people to love you for the right reasons.

696
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 3: You don't want them to love you because you look

697
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: good with megapb. Well some people do, but I'm not

698
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: a beauty blogger. I'm not, you know, I'm very simple

699
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, and I know how it made me

700
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: feel when I saw people who I thought was super

701
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 3: perfect when they showed a really human side of them.

702
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 3: So I thought, if I can kind of replicate that,

703
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: there's enough beautiful curative pages out there which are also

704
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: aspirational and inspired, like inspiring in their own way, but

705
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 3: there's enough of that it's easy for us to find

706
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: things that are curated.

707
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: You're also like this feels good for you, Like you're

708
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: doing what feels good for your soul and what you

709
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: want to put out there. You're just being very authentic

710
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: and you're not following, you know, the usual Instagram formula

711
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: or anything like that.

712
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: So absolutely definitely not but it's work.

713
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: I tried for a little while, and I was like,

714
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: I just like I thought that I could do monochrome

715
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 3: for a little while, Like you know how some of

716
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: those people who just have like white, minimal feeds are like,

717
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: my life just does not fit into that, Like nothing

718
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 3: about me is monochrome and like minimal everything is like

719
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: hectic and messy, and like, yeah, I love it.

720
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: And that's like I remember I posted a photo I

721
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: get a cole sauce all the time, and I've always

722
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: got them. And I remember I used to get a

723
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: call SAT and I used to like cry, oh my god,

724
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: I've got to film YouTube, I've got to do this

725
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: stuff like I've got herb You've upset me so much.

726
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: And then yeah, one day I posted a photo and

727
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, this came out. My first

728
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: feeling was to hide it, to not show it, but

729
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: then like, this is me, this is an active part

730
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: of my lifestyle, like I get these every two weeks,

731
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: two weeks, and I had such an overwhelming response, and

732
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: it's so right, like when you show I'm doing air

733
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: quotes now like the gross side of you, and you're

734
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: okay with it and everyone's okay with it. It's almost

735
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: like this invincible sort of feeling where you're.

736
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: Like, it's all good. I don't it's all good.

737
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: And it really like, even just from a personal level,

738
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: a strategy to take the pressure off yourself for living

739
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: up to something, even just on a selfish level, it's

740
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: been amazing because now I don't feel any pressure because

741
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, if I have a chin or five

742
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: chins in this photo, I mean I had seven last time,

743
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: So this is an improvement.

744
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: No, that's so good. Okay, so let's finish off the episode.

745
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: The last thing I want to chat to you about

746
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: is your passion project, Seize the Ya. I've already obviously

747
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: spoken to you about it, and I am a big listener.

748
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: I do enjoy it, and I encourage everyone else to

749
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: go and listen to it.

750
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: I just want to chat to you about.

751
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: So where did the inspiration come from for this podcast

752
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: idea and creating the podcast?

753
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think it was another one of those moments

754
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: of realizing that match I had been around for I

755
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 3: think four years at the time, the cafe was nearly

756
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 3: three years old, so it had been a while since

757
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: I'd had a new project, and not that things get boring,

758
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 3: but just that the learning curve gets less steep over time.

759
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: I think that your comfort zone is something that really evolves.

760
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 3: You kind of step out and often we just pat

761
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 3: ourselves on the back for doing it once and then

762
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: just stay there. But eventually, what the new thing that

763
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: you're doing is going to get comfortable, and then you're

764
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 3: going to have to, you know, find your what's your

765
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: next challenge and your next stage of growth. And one

766
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: of the things that I was missing was that both

767
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: match of businesses are very much focused on a product

768
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: and a message that isn't about your personal development so

769
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: much as it is the products themselves and the benefits

770
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: that they can give you. And you know the impact

771
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 3: of plant based eating, and indirectly it's all about making

772
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: you feel better and making the environment feel better. But

773
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: I felt like my strongest impact, without even meaning to,

774
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: my personal page had become this kind of platform for

775
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: sharing the backstory, so how to find the life that

776
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: you love? The questions I get most started to not

777
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 3: be about the products of the businesses and much more

778
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: about the change of life, or taking control of your

779
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: happiness or anxiety, or the personal things like I think

780
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: people really relate to people and people's experiences. So I

781
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 3: realized that I was doing a lot of that on

782
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: my personal page and through speaking gigs, but I didn't

783
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 3: kind of have one spot to put all the information.

784
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: And then randomly throughout the year, if I was speaking

785
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: with other people, we'd have all these awesome conversations backstage

786
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: or in a cab or on a plane or you know,

787
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 3: whatever it was. And there were so many common themes

788
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: and so many times that. I was like, oh gosh,

789
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: that person that asked me that question last week, If

790
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: I could record this conversation and send it to them,

791
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: that would solve all their problems, you know. I was like,

792
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 3: I need to be able to I'm meeting so many

793
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 3: amazing people. I myself am getting so many incredible opportunities

794
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: that I love to share how out of the blue

795
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: they really came, and how much stuff happens when you

796
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: just open your mind and don't get so scared about

797
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 3: things going right for you. Yeah, it just kind of

798
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: was like, how am I going to? What is the platform?

799
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: What is the right platform to put that all in

800
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 3: one spot? And I kind of thought that writing was

801
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 3: something I love to do, but it's something we've done already.

802
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 3: We've done a lot of blog posts. I do a

803
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 3: lot of blog posts. Speaking is where I connect with

804
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 3: people most strongly. And I also think it's great to

805
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 3: hear people's voices because that's when the messages are the

806
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: most relatable. When you can well obviously you can relate

807
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: to them, that's why they're relatable. And hearing someone's voice

808
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 3: is so much more powerful than seeing the words say right.

809
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 3: I think if it comes to someone who's quite well

810
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: known and who's a bit intimidating. So I was like,

811
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 3: podcast is obviously the right thing, and it's something completely

812
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: new for me. I have no experience, so again that

813
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: discomfort thing. I was like, how the hell am I

814
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: going to do it? I don't know, I'll figure it out.

815
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: You're going to work it out.

816
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 3: Yeah. And then the name. I'd actually had it for

817
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: two years and I didn't know what I was going

818
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: to use it for, but I knew that it was

819
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 3: my philosophy. I love the word yay because it brings

820
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 3: that childlike sense of wonder back. It's like such a

821
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 3: childish word, but sees the day is such a it

822
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 3: captures everything that I'm trying to say that we're all

823
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: trying to seize the day, but we're not trying. You know,

824
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: it does distract from your happiness a little bit. So

825
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: shifting the dialogue back to yay and joy and bringing

826
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: out you in a child again, I knew I would

827
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 3: use it for something registered it and then I was like,

828
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: this is it. This is what I'm going to do.

829
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 3: I'm just going to move all the talking that I

830
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: do in random forums and put it all in one place.

831
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 3: So everyone can kind of hear from these amazing people

832
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: and hear how normal they are and how they started from.

833
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 3: Literally everyone started from some kind of garage or basement basically,

834
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: and with Google, that's how everybody started everything. Ever now yeah, yeah,

835
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: and so then I just had you know, some amazing,

836
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 3: amazing people who said yes very early on because we'd

837
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: worked together for so many years, and that that meant

838
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 3: the first ten episodes had really good momentum. I recorded

839
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: them all kind of on one trip, so they were ready,

840
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: and then that gave me a lot of time to

841
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 3: just figure out how to edit, like what I was doing,

842
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: and just like everything. Really, I think we've you think

843
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: that you need to have everything sorted when you start,

844
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: but you absolutely don't. I don't think I've ever known

845
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: where things were going until they went there. And when

846
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 3: you just go with the flow, things can really go well.

847
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: I think, like you just put out put things out

848
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 3: there and people will pick it up. There's someone else's

849
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: always looking for exactly what you have, and there are

850
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 3: lots of podcasts out there, but I think we all

851
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: do it in our own different special ways. So even

852
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 3: listening to I guess you've heard before interviewed by someone

853
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 3: else might be different.

854
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 2: I find when you listen to things at different times,

855
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: you can often take different things away. So, like you said,

856
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: like putting on a platform where so many people can

857
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 2: take so many different things away from it is such

858
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: a great tool.

859
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: Totally, totally, even sometimes I might listen to a particular

860
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 3: episode twice at different times and learn something different depending

861
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: on the mind frame that you're in at the time, or.

862
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: Too like this, like like is this normal?

863
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: I think it absolutely is.

864
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'm glad we because.

865
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 3: You know, I think you're going through a different thing,

866
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Speaker 3: so you'll listen out different parts will resonate differently with you.

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Speaker 3: But the other thing is it was a project for

868
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Speaker 3: me that for the first time in a very long time,

869
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Speaker 3: I hadn't had anything that didn't have deadlines, that didn't

870
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Speaker 3: have financial budgets, that didn't have pressure, and so I

871
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Speaker 3: wanted a project that gave me something that I could

872
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Speaker 3: just create when I wanted to create. And that's continued

873
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Speaker 3: that way, Like I kind of edit when I want to.

874
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Speaker 3: If I don't make one each week, I've managed to

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Speaker 3: do somehow, But if I don't, like it's not a

876
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Speaker 3: big deal, and no one cares, no one knows. I

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Speaker 3: really enjoy that. I don't like have to do it

878
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Speaker 3: by a particular time, and I don't have any limits

879
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Speaker 3: on how long they have to be. You know, you

880
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Speaker 3: just kind of go with whatever happens. And it's really

881
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Speaker 3: freeing and lovely to have something that you do just

882
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Speaker 3: for the sake. So I thought, if no one listens,

883
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Speaker 3: then I still get to have these amazing conversations with people,

884
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Speaker 3: and that's as good enough a reason as any to

885
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Speaker 3: do something, Whereas I think we tend to worry that

886
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Speaker 3: if it doesn't have an impact and get a million

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Speaker 3: followers and make sales and do things, and it's not

888
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Speaker 3: worth it. But I think you need to come back

889
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Speaker 3: to if it's for your joy, that's a enough reason

890
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Speaker 3: to do something. That's a great reason for an activity.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And it's so funny. I actually said yesterday Tamel,

892
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Speaker 1: like the greatest thing about my podcast personally is just

893
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Speaker 1: having these conversations with people which you wouldn't usually of

894
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: course in some circumstances, but you know, other people would

895
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Speaker 1: not be able to be involved in this conversation, and

896
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Speaker 1: just like putting it out there and just like having

897
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 1: really good conversations like that's like one of my things

898
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Speaker 1: I absolutely love, so I could not agree more. So Lastly,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask you, what does it mean

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Speaker 1: to you to find your Yay.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of different elements to it for me,

902
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Speaker 3: and I think one of the biggest is finding an

903
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Speaker 3: activity that makes you forget what time it is. I

904
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Speaker 3: think that's probably the missing element for a lot of us,

905
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Speaker 3: even the people who have found their passion. I think

906
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Speaker 3: finding something you're passionate about and that you love doing

907
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Speaker 3: that really lights you up and gets you in that

908
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Speaker 3: zone and you'll know when you feel it, like you'll

909
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Speaker 3: recognize that this the minute you find that thing, you'll know.

910
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Speaker 3: That's a big step. But the next step after that,

911
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Speaker 3: which I think a lot of us haven't reached yet,

912
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Speaker 3: is that, yes, it's so important to have passion in

913
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Speaker 3: your life, but often that is combined with your work,

914
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Speaker 3: and then that becomes all entangled with our ideas of

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Speaker 3: success and productivity and achievement and how we define ourselves

916
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Speaker 3: in our job and our work and all that kind

917
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Speaker 3: of stuff. But what really has come up for me

918
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Speaker 3: in the last years is I found my passion. I

919
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Speaker 3: found what I love and I found what lights me up,

920
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Speaker 3: but it is also quite exhausting. So finding my true

921
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Speaker 3: yay has been also finding activities that have nothing to

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Speaker 3: do with my work and nothing to do with productivity,

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Speaker 3: and that are purely for enjoyment, purely because I can

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Speaker 3: lose myself and in time and not know what time

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Speaker 3: or day it is or how long has passed since

926
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Speaker 3: I've been doing it, and that I think just coming

927
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Speaker 3: back to that inner child thing. Children don't care about

928
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Speaker 3: anything other than the minute they're in and how much

929
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Speaker 3: fun that minute is, and adults lose that magic, which

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Speaker 3: I think then in turn affects our creativity and our work,

931
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Speaker 3: because if you don't give your brain a rest from it,

932
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Speaker 3: you can't be fresh, and you can't have the best ideas.

933
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Speaker 3: You just can't keep going forever at a crazy pace

934
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Speaker 3: and never take a break and get some perspective. So

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Speaker 3: I think finding your YA involves finding all the things

936
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Speaker 3: that light you up professionally, but then having some joy

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Speaker 3: that's completely unrelated and not feeling guilty about doing it.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love that, and I could not agree more.

939
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Speaker 1: I think also when you go off and you're doing

940
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Speaker 1: your own thing, you do feel a lot of pressure

941
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Speaker 1: that any spare time that you know you are working

942
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Speaker 1: on your own business and you're being constructive, and it's

943
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Speaker 1: definitely something that you learn along the way, like I

944
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Speaker 1: had to learn from getting to a point of burnout,

945
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Speaker 1: that it is okay just to do things that you

946
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Speaker 1: know don't necessarily earn the business money or earn you

947
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Speaker 1: money or get you further along, that you just do

948
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Speaker 1: because you absolutely love it. So thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for that. I could not agree more. And I've just

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Speaker 1: had the best time chatting to you.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, me too. I feel like literally just

952
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Speaker 3: talking about things to you know, losing your concept of time.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that was like a minute.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: I looked at the recording system and I'm like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, you're like, really go for an hour? I

957
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Speaker 1: need to wrap this up.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, I want to keep talking.

959
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 3: We just started.

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Speaker 2: We'll get up the podcast and we'll just keep talking.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for making the time today, Sarah.

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Speaker 1: It has been an absolute pleasure. And I will make

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Speaker 1: sure I leave all your links and all that good

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Speaker 1: stuff in the show notes, but just to finish, let

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Speaker 1: the audience know where they can find you and all

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Speaker 1: that good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, so many places. Everyone on Instagram. I'm

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Speaker 3: spoonful of Sarah, what spoonful underscore of underscore Sarah and

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Speaker 3: sees underscore the underscore yea, and to match your underscore

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Speaker 3: Maiden and to match your underscore milk Bar. Any of

972
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Speaker 3: those and dms and comments and everything will get through

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Speaker 3: to me directly on my phone, so I'm not hard

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Speaker 3: to get onto. Then there's spoonful of Sarah dot com,

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Speaker 3: match Yourmaiden dot com and match your milk bar dot com.

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Speaker 3: There's email, There's like a million different ways you can

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Speaker 3: get to meet. There's LinkedIn everything, so I'm sure you

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Speaker 3: won't have any trouble.

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Speaker 2: Have fun with that guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go to town.

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you so much, Sarah, Thank you, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for listening into this week's episode. If you love

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Speaker 1: to Rise and Conquer and you're craving more community, I

984
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Speaker 1: have got your girl friend. I was feeling the exact same,

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Speaker 1: So I'm very excited to announce that we have made

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Speaker 1: a close Rise and Conker Facebook communit group. To join

987
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Speaker 1: our girl gang, head to Facebook and search Rise and

988
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Speaker 1: Conquer podcast community, or head to the show.

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Speaker 2: Notes for the link.

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Speaker 1: I decided to create this community for like minded women

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Speaker 1: who are searching for a safe and positive space for

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Speaker 1: us to share our stories, to ask for advice and

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Speaker 1: interact together. Lastly, if you know someone who would benefit

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Speaker 1: from this episode, please make sure you share it with

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Speaker 1: them or even take a screenshot and share it on

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Speaker 1: your Instagram stories. I really really appreciate all the support,

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Speaker 1: and this is a total independent podcast, so any sort

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Speaker 1: of sharing.

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Speaker 2: Involved I really really appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Also, if you want to go beyond this episode, check

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Speaker 1: out our official instagram at Rise and Conquer dot podcast

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Speaker 1: or my personal Instagram at Georgie Stevenson. I hope you

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Speaker 1: have an amazing day or night whenever you're listening, by

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Speaker 1: for now and talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: Most best spots post spots

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