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Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 1: Bunjelung Cargotin woman from Gadighl country. The Daily oz acknowledges

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Monday,

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Speaker 2: the eleventh of September.

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Speaker 3: I'm just Sam and I'm just Zara, and we are

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Speaker 3: going back to basics because that's what you told us

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Speaker 3: you preferred. Thank you for that feedback.

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Speaker 2: So you might have been hearing stories like this in

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Speaker 2: the news over the last few weeks.

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Speaker 3: There's a new twist in the ongoing Kata Airways saga.

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Speaker 1: The embattled transister couldn't escape an old decision.

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Speaker 3: To reject a request from Qatar Airways to increase its

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Speaker 3: flights into Australia.

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Speaker 2: From political transparency to allegations of traumatic unlawful actions associated

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Speaker 2: with Qatar Airway, Yes, there is a lot of different

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Speaker 2: angles to unpack in this story. We're going to do

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Speaker 2: all of that in today's deep dive, but first the headlines.

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Speaker 2: The death toll from the earthquake in Morocco has now

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Speaker 2: exceeded two one thousand people, with over fourteen hundred people

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Speaker 2: in a critical condition. The magnitude seven point two earthquake

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Speaker 2: was the most severe in the country in over sixty years,

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Speaker 2: with many residents in affected areas sleeping in the streets

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Speaker 2: and parks for fear of further building collapses. A number

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Speaker 2: of international organizations, including the UN and the World Bank,

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Speaker 3: DIMIs has worn customers that personal data may have been

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Speaker 3: leaked following cyberbreach last week. Customers were asked to change

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Speaker 3: their passwords and monitor their bank accounts after they were

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Speaker 3: made aware of the breach last Wednesday. An investigation into

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Speaker 3: what happened has now commenced.

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Speaker 2: The New South Wales government and New South Wales Teachers

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Speaker 2: Federation Council have reached an agreement to increase the pay

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Speaker 2: of the state's teachers from the ninth October, with a

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Speaker 2: base salary now increasing by nearly ten thousand dollars to

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Speaker 2: and we'll also see school counselors and casual teachers receive

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Speaker 2: a paymump. For more on the background of this story,

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Speaker 2: I've put a link to a previous episode of this podcast.

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Speaker 2: In today's show Notes.

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Speaker 3: And the Good News, an island in the Great Barrier

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Speaker 3: Reef has become the first of its kind to become

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Speaker 3: carbon negative. It comes after a large scale renewable energy

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Speaker 3: system was completed on the Economy Island Education Center. What

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Speaker 3: this basically means is that the island is actually removing

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Speaker 2: So there's been a new story flying around it that's

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Speaker 2: been surrounded by some controversial early Sorry, it's about Qatar

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Speaker 2: Airways and the Australian government's decision not to allow them

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Speaker 2: more flights. But what's interesting this story is that it's

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Speaker 2: not just about the decision made by politicians in Canberra.

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Speaker 2: It also touches on other conversations we're having about political transparency,

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Speaker 2: our rocky relationship with Quantus, as well as allegations that

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Speaker 2: made headlines last year about unlawful conduct associated with Qatar Airways.

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Speaker 3: This is one of those stories that I've truthfully seen

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Speaker 3: the headlines of many, many times. I'm feeling a bit

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Speaker 2: Well, Quantus plays a role, but the story starts with

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Speaker 2: when Qatar Airlines asked the Australian government for more flights

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Speaker 2: And to understand why that's even a question why an

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Speaker 2: security and Australia's national interest. There's also some trade agreements

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Speaker 2: why in twenty twenty two, Katai Airways ask the Australian

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Speaker 2: Transport Minister, Catherine King rejected their bid.

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Speaker 3: All right, So what was the basis on which Catherine

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Speaker 3: King made this decision? Like why why would the government

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the question that a lot of people have

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Speaker 2: been asking the government and specifically the Transport Minister. In

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Speaker 2: to allow Qatar Airways those extra flights was in the

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Speaker 2: national interest. New information came to light when now former

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Speaker 2: CEO of Quantus, Alan Joyce, was questioned at a Senate

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Speaker 2: committee hearing. Joyce told the hearing that when the Government

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Speaker 2: was considering the request from Qatar, Quantas had contacted the

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Speaker 1: We did put our case to the government and are

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Speaker 1: granting a carrier doubling their traffic right, so the short

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Speaker 1: term would cause distortion, And so.

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Speaker 3: What does Alan Joyce actually mean the distortion? What's he saying?

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Speaker 2: So you have to remember that for Quantas and increase

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Speaker 3: So why is that important? Why does it matter if

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Speaker 3: Quantus made a recommendation to the government that it shouldn't

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Speaker 2: Well, Ultimately, what the opposition is saying is that by

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Speaker 2: and by limiting airline competition, it's a bad result for

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Speaker 2: Australian consumers. Shadow Finance Minister Jane Hume in particular, has

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Speaker 3: We know that that Qatar Airways decision I, had have

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Speaker 3: all Australians. Okay, so that's one part of the story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is a totally different side of the issue.

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Speaker 2: But also we've learned a new detail about it this week,

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Speaker 2: and it relates to an incident we already knew about

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Speaker 2: The Minister for Transport, Catherine King, has now said that

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Speaker 2: know that on the day the Minister rejected the Qatar

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Speaker 2: They had previously written to very interesting well, they'd written

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Speaker 3: With all of that in mind, and with all of

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Speaker 2: It's been a major issue for them, particularly with some

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Speaker 2: decision on Katar Airways. So undoubtedly we're going to be

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Speaker 2: Until then, have a great Monday.