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Speaker 2: Oh, now it makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily Ours. It's Monday,

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Speaker 1: the twenty first of April. I'm Harry Sekulich.

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Speaker 2: I'm Emma Gillespie.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five is not a climate election. Young people

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Speaker 1: voted in droves in twenty twenty two for change in

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Speaker 1: what was dubbed the Climate Election. Yet new polling shows

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Speaker 1: the number of younger Australians listing climate as their top

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Speaker 1: concern has halved since the last election. In its place,

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Speaker 1: cost of living dominates. The major party leaders have barely

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Speaker 1: mentioned climate change and the environment in the lead up

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Speaker 1: to this election, instead focusing on policies to reduce financial stress. Today,

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Speaker 1: we'll take a look at some polling that shows that

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Speaker 1: young people's priorities have shifted.

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Speaker 3: Harry, this is a fascint conversation because, as you said

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Speaker 3: in the intro there, the last time we headed to

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Speaker 3: the polls nationally it was the climate election.

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Speaker 2: It was twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: There was so much hype and conversation and concern around

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Speaker 3: climate change and sustainability and policies around that really felt

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Speaker 3: like they were at the center of the campaign, whereas

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Speaker 3: now you know, there is a lot of noise, There

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Speaker 3: are a lot of headlines, we are talking about the

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Speaker 3: election a lot, but it feels like there is an

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Speaker 3: elephant in the room, or rather no longer in the room.

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Speaker 1: I've been really kind of grappling with this question of

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Speaker 1: why this election feels a bit different to twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: I mean, cost of living was definitely on the agenda

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Speaker 1: such a pointed topic yep, and we saw it with

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Speaker 1: the results as well. It was dubbed the Climate election

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Speaker 1: because a number of Greens and climate conscious Independence were

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Speaker 1: of office. But thinking back to twenty twenty two, the

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Speaker 1: memories of the Black Summer bushfires from a couple of

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Speaker 1: Australian listener needs to be reminded of just how devastating

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Speaker 1: thousands of homes were destroyed, thousands of animals were killed

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I remember politically that the tide felt like

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Speaker 3: it had turned a little bit against the Coalition. We

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Speaker 1: And he also had a pretty famous moment relating to

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Speaker 1: there was a comment that he made about not holding

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Speaker 1: And I think it's worth remembering that it wasn't necessarily

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Speaker 3: Okay, so obviously a lot has changed since then. We

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Speaker 3: know that, you know, climate change is not a crisis

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Speaker 3: twenty four was the hottest year on record. We're constantly,

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Speaker 2: But the issue in.

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Speaker 3: Terms of policy and political conversation has quietened significantly heading

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Speaker 2: Why have we experienced that shift?

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Speaker 1: The best way to describe the mood shift was actually

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Speaker 3: So these young respondents were asked heading into an election year,

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Speaker 1: They're all sort of linked in some way. It all

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Speaker 1: There's actually now hard evidence that climate change has slipped

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Speaker 1: So that's a significant drop off. And overwhelmingly, when asked

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Speaker 3: So the cohort of young people who say that climate

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Speaker 1: And that's this exact same polling company, same methodology, same

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Speaker 3: It's really fascinating because I suppose it speaks to the

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Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting that there was this

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Speaker 1: And also that when it comes to their weekly budgets,

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Speaker 1: So this particular survey just focused on younger people. But

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Speaker 3: So we've got this kind of story in two parts

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Speaker 3: These are figures that only tell really some of that story.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's why I wanted to approach some environmental groups

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Speaker 1: since then she's actually helped draft a law to add

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Speaker 1: when they're making climate related decisions at a federal level,

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Speaker 4: I've spoken to a lot of young people who want

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Speaker 1: It's a story that we're hearing more and more about

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Speaker 3: Before we wrap up, Parry, you did a really comprehensive

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this grassroots advocacy funnel, I suppose that I had

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Speaker 3: It's another one of those kind of long term impacts

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Speaker 2: But a fascinating space. Harry.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for breaking all of that down

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Speaker 1: Who's counting.

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Speaker 2: Harry, thanks for joining us on the podcast today.

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Speaker 1: Such pleasure. Thanks for having me.

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