WEBVTT - HERstory Part 4: Lizzo 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.640 I'd like to acknowledge the traditional owners on which this 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:08.160 episode is being recorded, the combo marry people. We pay 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:12.360 our respects to elders past, present and emerging and extend 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:16.520 that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples. 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:24.279 Today I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson, and this is the 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:32.080 Rise and Conquer podcast. This is the podcast where which 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:36.560 have mindset, self development and becoming your higher self mix 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:39.440 soon with a lot of laughs, plus behind the scenes 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:43.040 of my life running two businesses and being among Think 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.599 of us as the perfect combo of brunch with your 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.239 besties mixed with self development. No matter where you are 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.040 in your journey, we're here to help you be curious, 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:57.880 pull yourself out, and embrace radical self awareness. If you're 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.280 ready to get into the driver's seat of your own 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.680 life and stop letting life past you by. 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:04.399 Then you're in the right place. 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.200 Hello and welcome back to the podcast. 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:12.840 Happy Tuesday. 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:17.160 We have such a fun episode for you today and it. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.240 Is the final part of our Her Story. 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:24.520 Series and we're talking about the one and only Lizzo. 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:25.920 We love it so much. 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:30.160 We love Lizzo so much. So, guys, if you don't 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:31.800 know in her story. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.559 This is where we share the stories of iconic women 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.520 who have made history or who we feel are currently 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:43.840 making history. These women are trailblazers in their chosen careers 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:47.400 and are doing things differently, which you know we love. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:51.440 We then unpack certain aspects and values that they model 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.560 in everything they do and discuss how we can use 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.520 this as an expander for ourselves. In the lastp we 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:01.960 spoke about Whitney wolf Heard, who is the founder of Bumble, 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.960 and how she has integrity. 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.000 In everything she does. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.120 What we really want you guys to start thinking about 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.920 through this series is what legacy or impact you are leaving. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.840 Could you do things differently, could you think outside the box? 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.760 And how can you push yourself outside your comfort zone. 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:25.320 But before we get into the show, a tea update us. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:25.920 On your week. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:27.600 I had a pretty fun week. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:28.520 Tell us more. 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:31.520 I did a cooking class on Sunday with Jamie. It 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.320 was so much fun. I'd love that for you too, 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.480 so much. A pizza class and then I dropped my 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.920 pizza before I went in the oven. And then the 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.960 lady said, oh, this is like the first time that happened. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:46.400 I was like, great. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:48.760 A tea I'm really just not surprised. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.720 It's only embarrassed if you're embarrassed, and I'm not embarrassed, 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:52.320 so it's fine. 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:52.680 I know. 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:54.960 I love it, And like, what did they taste? 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:55.120 Like? 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:56.400 Oh it was so young? 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:56.919 Yeah. 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.320 Yeah, we did the dough from scratch and everything, so 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:00.960 it was really good. Pizza. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.079 Wow, did you eat the whole thing? 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:04.760 No? 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:06.440 I had half, Jamie the whole thing. 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:15.639 Deliterious. That sounds amazing. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:19.600 Yeah, so highly recommend. The oscars were yesterday and the 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.960 speeches from some of the actors were so expanding, so 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.000 we popped them up on the Instagram. So I'd highly 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:26.760 recommend you guys check that out if you missed that 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.640 going up last night, because it was just so heartwarming. 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:31.760 Yay, I love that so much. 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.400 I love that You're just such a pop like pop 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.360 culture queen. Like when you're like the oscars were, say, 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.840 I was like, what what of the else? Literally one 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.600 of those? But look, you keep us. I feel like 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.600 you keep us a bit current. Yeah, otherwise I would 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:49.400 literally not know what's happening around me. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:52.760 What about you? How was your week? 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:57.360 I had a fantastic week. I was the last half 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.680 of last week. I was away on a business. I'm 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:03.320 kind of just a new person. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:06.520 I love that. 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:11.440 No, I just yeah, look, I'm still processing a lot. Yeah, 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:15.800 very profound, very out of my comfort zone. Met some 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:21.159 fucking credible people. We held so much space for each other, 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:25.200 and I don't know, it was like this new fucking 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.800 level and stand in that I had, like I hadn't 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:33.560 experienced before, and so that in itself like life changing 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.919 to experience like a I can't yeah, I can't really explain. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:38.480 I really want to unpack it with you guys, and 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.839 I'm sure we will in an episode. Yeah, but it 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.560 was incredible. I'm so glad because I wasn't gonna go. 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:46.640 It was like one of those I was like, oh, 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:50.440 I don't know if it's for me, you know, in 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:51.960 my head about it, and then I was like, oh, 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.320 fuck it, I'll go and see what happens. Yeah, And 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.360 I'm so glad. I like went, And I know this 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.440 is like my theme right now. But guys, if there 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.200 is something where you're like, I don't know, I don't know, 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:06.159 but it's like pushing you and you know it's gonna 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.920 be outside your comfort zone, like just do it. I 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.880 love that so much, and it's like because I'm like 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.840 such this person of like, oh, I'm an introvert, like 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.040 being around you know, seventeen old women for four days straight, 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.440 like I just didn't know how it was gonna go, 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:28.159 but it expanded me so much. And it also was 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.520 such a cool like, fuck, I can do this, like 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:35.880 I can you know, be, I can go internal and 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.400 I can hold this sort of work for four days 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.080 straight and I can actually fucking shot really well. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:42.680 So it was really cool. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.039 I love that so much. 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:44.720 Yeah, it was. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.640 It was fucking amazing. I'm like on a bit of 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:51.360 a high from it. But also I. 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.040 Fucking just feel so grounded. 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.560 I'm you know that feeling of like, oh there's big 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.400 shit happening inside. Yeah, you know that feeling and you 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.920 just like and they're smiling. Oh I can feel it. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.279 So look really excited about that. But on that note, 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:19.839 let's get into this episode. It's so bloody good. 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:28.360 We're gonna talk about Melissa Jefferson, who's that also known 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:35.799 as Lizzo, and she is an American rapper and singer. 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:40.679 Can I ask why Lizzo? So that makes sense. 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:46.160 It was actually a mix I think of Melissa and 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.320 a song she wrote, or a song she liked, which 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.520 was like Rizzo or something. I'm not one hundred percent sure, 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:54.680 but that's where the nickname Lizzo came. And it was 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.000 quite early in her career as well that she got 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:58.320 that little nickname. Love that. 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.880 So she sif you'r a nickname, yes, it's currently just 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:03.279 a dog. 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.000 What's yours? G G yeah. 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:15.720 G banger ga wagon. The guys were still going to 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:21.880 make underwear. Sorry, we go on, we have way too much. 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:27.760 So she was born as the youngest of three children, 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.040 and her parents actually worked in the mortgage industry. It's 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.560 just a fun fact, not that. So she grew up 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:37.520 listening mainly to gospel music in church, and at the 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.360 age of ten, her family moved to Houston. 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.239 Can I ask what gospel means? 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.160 Gospel is like church music, so like the very like 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:50.080 praise God, very big voices, singers that sort of have 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:51.120 you watched Sister. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.360 Act, Yeah, so that's sort of amazing. 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.320 And so at the age of ten, her family moved 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.880 to Houston, where she began to be exposed to other 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:04.800 music styles. So she also started training as a classical 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:08.320 flautist until she graduated high school in two thousand and six. 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.640 So from age ten to eighteen, she was being classically 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:16.000 trained to play the flute. She spent years trying to 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.760 break into the music industry as part of various girl 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.760 groups both in and out of high school, so she 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.640 started trying while she was in high school. After graduating 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.440 high school, she attended the University of Houston on a 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:33.000 music scholarship and she continued to study the flute with 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:37.080 the goal to eventually be in a professional orchestra. 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:43.560 Wow, I know, and that just like so beautiful, how 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:44.800 like your journey can change. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.360 So I know, and like she was training from when 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.640 she was ten to do this thing, and she put 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.680 in those hours and the ten thousand hours and she 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.760 changed her mind, which I'd love. So in the second 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.880 year of UNI for her, she actually ended up leaving. 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.720 And this was due to the pressure she felt trying 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:09.400 to choose between rap and classical music. So basically like 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:13.720 her singing career and being a flautist, and also her 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.000 father was getting very sick, all of that together just 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:20.800 put too much pressure on her to be able to continue. 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.960 So in two thousand and nine, twenty one year old 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:28.680 Lizzo actually ended up struggling with depression from the loss 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.600 of her father, poor body image, and an overall lack 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:36.240 of purpose. So during this time, for a period, she 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.680 was also homeless, living out of her car or crashing 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:44.880 on friends couches and flows. I really remember this one 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:49.760 clip where she was speaking about she actually slept on 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:53.040 her drummer's floor, but her drummer lived in a sharehouse, 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.679 so she was crashing on her drummer who lived in 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:00.160 a sharehouse's floor in his one bedroom that he had, 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.200 because that was just what she had to do at 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:08.360 the time. And after that, she said that her life 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.320 really started to turn around once she stopped comparing herself 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:16.479 to others and embraced who she was. So she got 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:20.360 her first taste of success with her electro pop duo 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:24.960 called Lizo and the Lava Ink, and also had success 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.880 with an all female rap and R and B group 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.600 called The Chalice. So this group actually started to really 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:36.920 elevate Lizzo's profile and her reputation. Once The Chalice the 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:41.120 group became successful, her duo Lizzo and the Lava Ink 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.280 started to fall apart because she was trying to juggle 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:47.199 both at the same time, and Lozo struggled with having 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:51.400 the continuing success of the one group, but having another 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.760 fall apart and fall away because you're obviously losing the 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:59.040 people too that are involved in that. And once she 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.520 began to gain more attention for her collaborations, Lizzo also 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.800 started working on solo material, which she described as quote 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:12.360 unquote feel good music. This music was always backed by 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:16.480 an upbeat sound. Her songs often featured positive and sometimes 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:21.040 funny lyrics that touched on issues such as race, body confidence, 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:25.240 and low self esteem. She also featured her flute playing 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.120 in the music as well, which I love just using 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:32.559 her little skill there. So her third full length album 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.080 was called Because I Love You. In this she released 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:40.240 the songs Juice, Jerome, and Tempo. I'll play a quick 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.440 clip of Juice now, just so that you guys know, 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.040 because I knew these songs when I listened to them, 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.640 but I wasn't sure what they were by name. So 0:11:48.679 --> 0:12:01.960 we'll play a quick snippet of Juice for you. As 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.840 part of the deluxe version, she also released the bonus 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:09.360 track Truth Hurts, So we'll play a little snippet no 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:10.160 man or. 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:14.719 The men of fighting. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:23.120 This song, Truth Hurts actually became her first single to 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:26.880 top the Billboard one hundred chart This deluxe version of 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.440 the album also featured the song good as Hell, which 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:30.880 I think a lot of you will know, but we'll 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.840 play a quick snippet now too. 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:34.760 I do my. 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.480 Hat toms check my next, maybe how you feeling? 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:43.040 Hats check my next, maybe. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:50.360 How you feeling? After this, Lizzie actually became the third 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:54.319 female rapper to top the Hot one hundred without a 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:58.920 featured artist with her, which is an insane achievement. She 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:03.000 also became the first black solo female R and B 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:06.160 singer to claim the top spot on the Hot one 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:10.800 hundred since Rihanna's twenty twelve hit Diamonds, which just blows 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.720 my mind that it took that long. Yeah what Yeah? 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:19.000 And so the song Truth Hurts also won a Grammy 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:23.240 for Best Pop Solo Performance. And this album was very 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.160 much a churning point Lizo's career and she began to 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:30.400 garner more mainstream attention. Personally, I didn't know about her 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.840 before this album either, Like these songs really were where 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:38.240 I discovered who she was. And Lizzo's success continued with 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.520 the album Special, which was released in twenty twenty two, 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.360 which also became her first recording to reach number one 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:49.600 on Billboard's album Sales chart. So this is her most recent, 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.360 most recent album, which has songs like about Damn Time 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.120 and to Be Loved. I'm sure you've heard these. They 0:13:56.160 --> 0:14:00.240 went viral on TikTok, they were just everywhere. And who's 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.240 currently touring with this album? And I have a little 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:07.640 random fun fact about this tour which I love. She 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.920 was given the opportunity to play a two hundred year 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.319 old crystal flute while on this tour and it belonged 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.920 to the fourth President of the United States, James Madison. 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.120 I just want to add a little clip of her 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.520 playing that here. Will also share a clip of this 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.520 on Socials because she actually tworked while playing the flute, 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.840 which I just think is so iconic. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:32.800 Happening right now, but I love it. 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.240 She's playing a two hundred year old crystal flute that 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.040 no one's played before and just tworking in a sparklet 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:45.160 body suit, and it's the best thing ever. 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:18.640 Just history tonight, making history, sting cool. History is. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.720 So in this album. The song about Damn Time also 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.920 went to number one and has won two Grammys, including 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.280 Record of the Year. Georgie, I know you and I 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:39.640 both personally adored her acceptance speech when she won these Grammys, 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.880 and we just wanted to put a little snippet of 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:43.760 that in here for you guys as well. 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:54.080 I want to dedicate this award to Princes. When we 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.840 lost Prince, I decided to dedicate my life to making 0:15:56.920 --> 0:16:01.520 positive music. And I was like, I don't care if 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:06.560 my positivity bother you, what's wrong with you? And this 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.200 was at a time when positive music and feel good 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:13.400 music wasn't mainstream at that point, and I felt very misunderstood. 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:18.360 I felt on the outside looking in, But I stayed 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:23.160 true to myself because I wanted to make the world 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:25.480 a better place. So I had to be that change 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:32.280 to make the world a better place. And now I 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.040 look around and there's all these songs that are about 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.680 loving our bodies and feeling comfortable in our skin and 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:45.400 feeling fucking good. And I'm just so proud to be 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.720 a part of it. Because in a world that there's 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:49.960 a lot of darkness and a lot of scary shit, 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.640 I'd like to believe that not only can people. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.160 Do good, but we just are good. 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:02.880 We are good inherently. Anybody at home who feels misunderstood 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.040 or on the outside looking in, like I did just 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.640 stay true to yourself, because I promise you you will 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.280 find people, You will attract people in your life who 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.119 believe in you and support you. I want to thank 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.439 y'all for believing in me and supporting me. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.920 I am literally obsessed with Lizzo mean too. 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:24.960 I just. 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.960 Oh, I think the reason why I love her so 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.800 much because first of all, I remember, I feel like 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.080 I've randomly found her on like TikTok or Instagram, actually 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:41.200 found her on social media beforehand, and then I heard 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.639 the songs and like put two two together and I 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.720 was like, oh, that's Lisso I. 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.520 Think that might have happened for me as well. Actually, yeah, like. 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.760 One of her videos, like because her videos go viral 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:55.119 because she is so authentically herself. Yes, And that is 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.919 my favorite part about her is she is just like 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.720 this is me, take it or leave it, and I'm 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:05.560 not fucking listening to your shit. That is the vibe, 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.680 Like that's the frequency, and I'm like, I just am 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.800 so attracted to that in her and. 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:14.240 I really love too. 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:21.560 I feel like I haven't seen any artists like her 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:26.440 before for sure, like completely. I even remember like looking 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.760 at our social media and thinking, oh my god, she's 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:31.880 so different, she's so herself and. 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.520 Just loving that. 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:38.359 Yes, Like even we were chatting about AuthoriTea of her 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:42.240 acceptance speech where she think Beyonce and was like, you 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:45.480 were my idol, and I feel like Beyonce's everyone's idole. 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:46.080 I know. 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:48.880 So I just don't life because I'm like, oh my god, 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:56.160 we're the same Lisser. I love because she really reframed 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:03.240 like women women of color artis Yes, completely, because even 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.720 and definitely fight me on this point here, like even 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:13.680 with Beyonce, amazing incredible women of color, Yeah, breaking the boundaries, 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:19.560 but still you know, in the realm of society's ideals 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.320 of what beauty. 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.800 Is, yes, very very I think, especially when it comes 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.359 to like body image and size. Yes, she's very like 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.760 your ideal fits. Yeah, And even if you look at 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.240 other artists, female artists that a woman of color like 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:39.920 Jennifer Lopez and Shakira and even Rhianna all very much 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.919 fall into that even though their skin tone might not 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:47.080 be society's ideal, their body is. And the fact that 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:51.280 Lizo not only defied that with her skin tone but 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:55.399 also her body image is just I think amazing and 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.320 it just goes to show like Beyonce would have definitely 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:02.800 been an expander for Lizzo. But I think there's still 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:06.240 like a lot of extra barriers that Lizo would have 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:10.520 had to fight through, especially in the entertainment industry to 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.600 get to where she has and have the success that 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:15.200 she has had. 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:19.119 Yeah, And I think, especially like the theme of this 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:24.240 episode is, you guys know, we love locking into expanders, 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.240 we love finding expanders, and this is what this whole 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:30.320 series is about. But the thing I love about Lizo 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:35.840 is she maybe didn't even have an expander and she 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:41.760 really created her own, her own realm of what she 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.760 wanted to be. Yes, Because I think sometimes and I've 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.199 been very open about this, even me at the moment, 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:53.760 with an expander, it's not like there's someone so specific 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:56.000 that I'm like, I want my life to look exactly 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:00.440 like this person, and even toying with the well what 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.439 do I actually want and what does it mean to 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:07.919 be truly authentically me? Yes, And I love that she's 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:09.720 like just gone and done the. 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:14.080 Thing, Yes, exactly. And I think, like what you said 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:20.320 on having an expander, it's a bit of a mind boggle, 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:26.000 but you're almost limiting yourself or giving yourself a box 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.240 to fit in, a box to fit in, and box. 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:29.119 Might be at box. 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:35.159 Yeah, and steps to take because you because that's what 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:37.560 that person did to get to where they are, whereas 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:41.000 your journey is going to be so different. Having an 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.960 expander is almost also limiting yourself to a certain series 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:47.720 of steps to get to your end goal, whereas your 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.919 journey might be so different and could be even better. 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:55.280 I love this, and this is what you know. The 0:21:55.640 --> 0:22:00.280 thought provoking question of this episode is where are you 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:05.320 even limiting yourself because there is no one around you 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:07.880 who has modeled the thing. 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.960 And I think something I like to look at when 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:16.920 I'm trying to find expanders for myself is not necessarily 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:22.200 what they've done. It's more how far they've gone and 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:27.120 the values that they like almost use in everything they do. 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:31.000 So for example, obviously in the first episode of this series, 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:34.760 we talked about Venus and Serena Williams, and I, by 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.720 no means feel any pool to become a professional tennis player. 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:43.719 I'm quite sure I could teach it. 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.680 We'll get him in for a lesson every day six hours. 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:50.399 Yeah, you just need ten thousand hours. 0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:55.960 But I admire their determination and their grit and that's 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:59.040 what expands me, is I want to have that level 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.800 of grit in whatever I do. Or Whitney Wolf heard 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:06.120 with her integrity and how aligne she was in everything 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:08.960 she did. I might not want to have a tech startup, 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:12.040 but I want to have that level of integrity in 0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.199 everything I do and just have those values almost just 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:19.760 like come out of me where wherever I am. And 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:24.000 I think Lizzo is just like a perfect example for 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:28.880 anyone of you can admire people and have them expand 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:31.439 you and have their journeys inspire you and remind you 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:33.920 that you can do anything you want. But at the 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:36.639 end of the day, you are the only person that 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:39.680 is going to do what you do in life, and 0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.440 in a way, you'll always be the first, so you're 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:45.159 going to have that resistance and even if historically you 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:48.240 might not be the first, Like Lizzo definitely isn't the 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:50.400 first black woman to win a Grammy on that sort 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:53.920 of stuff, but she is the first Lizo. 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:55.960 And to do it in her way. 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:59.399 Yeah, and so different to everyone else. And I know 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:01.880 we had to chat about this too, and that Beyonce 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:07.639 is amazing and so typical of like everyone's idol Quinn 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:12.320 Bee and she's very polished and graceful and elegance, and 0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:14.600 Lizo is she's. 0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:15.120 Like the opposite. 0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:17.359 She's not polish, She's not polish, she's raw. 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:19.479 I actually I was singing to the other day. 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:22.280 I was like, I feel like so many you know, 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:25.760 pop stars, and they like they would one hundred percent 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:30.479 have people auditing their social media posts before they go up, 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:33.000 Oh for sure, and they can just tell Lizzo does it, 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:36.800 which I love because that's what I mean, Like, You're 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:41.879 truly getting the most authentic her raw in the moment. 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:45.879