Speaker 1: Welcome back to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris, and
Speaker 1: on this podcast, I'll be going behind the scenes with
Speaker 1: the biggest players in television. I wanted to quickly say
Speaker 1: thank you to the people who've been kind enough to
Speaker 1: share the podcast. I had some international listeners who said
Speaker 1: they really enjoyed the deep dive into documentary filmmaking with
Speaker 1: Aaron Sedman. If you missed that episode, feel free to
Speaker 1: jump back and check it out. I thoroughly enjoyed our
Speaker 1: chat and the tea that he's built on Paris Hilton
Speaker 1: was extraordinary. Speaking of extraordinary, I was listening to best
Speaker 1: Mates with Blake Francis this week. He's a fellow Ossie
Speaker 1: and a friend of mine. His podcast has just launched,
Speaker 1: which is hilarious because he has never actually listened to
Speaker 1: a podcast before and is just giving friends slabs of
Speaker 1: beer to open up and tell their deepest secrets. You
Speaker 1: should check it out. It's quite fun. This week, I've
Speaker 1: been watching Channel nine Celebrity Apprentice, which has been a
Speaker 1: real lift from the previous seasons. I'm living for the
Speaker 1: Veronica's meltdowns on and off the show, and I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see this week's Cliffhanger on Big Brother on
Speaker 1: Channel seven is getting down to the pointy end, and
Speaker 1: people are getting really fired up about that on social media.
Speaker 1: But it was Halstrom on Netflix that I binge watch
Speaker 1: and saw all five episodes over two nights. Ewan McGregor
Speaker 1: plays the title role and the real life fashion designer.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you, this program is so addictive
Speaker 1: you will smash it in two days. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you also, if you loved Mayor of Eastown and the
Speaker 1: actress who played Mayor's mum, Jeane Smart, She's got a
Speaker 1: new series on Binge which is called Hacks, and it's
Speaker 1: a comedy. And while it's quite light, it's very funny
Speaker 1: and I guarantee you'll get some belly laughs out of
Speaker 1: that one. Now today's guest is smoking hot. I have
Speaker 1: the talented Joel Jackson. You may have heard me swooning
Speaker 1: over him a couple of weeks back after attending a
Speaker 1: screening of the new series of Missus Fish's Modern Murder Mysteries,
Speaker 1: which launches on Acorn TV on the seventh of June.
Speaker 1: He plays Missus Fisher's partner in more ways than one.
Speaker 1: But today he talks about his career which has included
Speaker 1: award winning turns in Deadline, Gallipoli and Not the Boy
Speaker 1: next Door, the latter having Joel play the iconic role
Speaker 1: of Peter Allen. He studied at NIDER and now he's
Speaker 1: one of Australia's most sought after actors. Joel's upbringing is
Speaker 1: quite fascinating when you hear about his origins for equality
Speaker 1: and storytelling. His parents seem absolutely amazing, and we'll get
Speaker 1: into that as the podcast unfolds. I know you will
Speaker 1: love this chat. He's very charming and intelligent, not to
Speaker 1: mention ridiculously good looking. So let's get started. I'd like
Speaker 1: to welcome you and Joel Jackson to the podcast.
Speaker 2: I grew up in a small town of Albany in
Speaker 2: southwestern Australia. Actor Wood goes to Joel Jackson and I
Speaker 2: do think that some of my best stuff was in Deadline.
Speaker 1: Joel Jackson stars as the adult Peter Allen.
Speaker 2: I think if you can do the right things for
Speaker 2: an audience, they'll keep coming back.
Speaker 1: This Fish is modern murder mysteries.
Speaker 2: This series is something that you can put on and
Speaker 2: you'll immediately fall in love with your Franny Fish's Nie
Speaker 2: Paragonfish act.
Speaker 3: If you've loved your murder mysteries, you will love this
Speaker 3: This young lady giving you trouble detective.
Speaker 2: Meet your heroes, because sometimes they actually are heroes.
Speaker 3: Get a mate.
Speaker 1: How are you, dude?
Speaker 3: I'm well, I am really really well. How's your day
Speaker 3: so good?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And I'm so excited to be chatting with you on
Speaker 1: TV reload as we met a few weeks ago at
Speaker 1: the Miss Fisher launch and I was hoping that we
Speaker 1: would have a chance to have this chat before Miss
Speaker 1: Fisher launched, which, by the way, Yes, Fisher Modern Murder
Speaker 1: Mystery Series two will be available for the public on
Speaker 1: Acorn streaming service on June seventh. I want to ask, though,
Speaker 1: was it strange watching that first episode in a cinema
Speaker 1: full of the media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the best thing is that you guys
Speaker 2: are also friendly anyway. It's part of the job description
Speaker 2: of media to kind of go like be friendly with this,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, you guys get to
Speaker 2: ask all the really hard hitting questions. So in a
Speaker 2: way it was really lovely because you could also get
Speaker 2: to hear and see people's reactions that otherwise you wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Get to see.
Speaker 2: At home because it's not in a cinema and you're
Speaker 2: not surrounded by people. So and what's best about it
Speaker 2: was that you were with.
Speaker 3: The other cast members.
Speaker 2: So if I felt awkward, I was like, well, they're
Speaker 2: feeling awkward too, so let's share this awkwardness together.
Speaker 3: So it was easier.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm still getting over those nineteen sixties bathers in
Speaker 1: that widescreen shot with you emerging from the water. You know,
Speaker 1: how scary is it to be exposed like that? And
Speaker 1: did you not eat for a bit?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I remember the meal afterwards.
Speaker 2: I think I had about four different sides of carbohydrates,
Speaker 2: and the two days beforehand, I didn't really have much
Speaker 2: to eat apart from like a big glass of wine,
Speaker 2: a red wine the night before. Apparently that really works.
Speaker 2: That's taken from Hugh Jackman's kind of diet plan. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a bit of a time capsule those moments. I
Speaker 2: was joking about it with dad. Dad and I are
Speaker 2: very competitive, and not only for zekee but fitness. He's
Speaker 2: sixty four and he's kind of more jacked than I am.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit insane, but so this is my
Speaker 2: challenge to him, if you may and it's on national TV.
Speaker 2: So the challenge for him is to get to that
Speaker 2: place and then get on national TV. And until he does,
Speaker 2: I'm considered the man of the house, so I can
Speaker 2: deal with that. But what was more intimidating, What has
Speaker 2: been more not intimidating, encouraging, might I say, is Ben,
Speaker 2: you recently posted it up on your Facebook page. There
Speaker 2: was a screenshot of the trailer that had come off
Speaker 2: of YouTube or someone's fine or whatever, and I think
Speaker 2: underneath it was written to see I caught him out
Speaker 2: now he.
Speaker 3: Was on the back foot.
Speaker 1: It was pown embarrassing, it was written.
Speaker 2: It was something that was written about it being like
Speaker 2: who else would want to be rescued by Joel Jackson?
Speaker 2: And there was all these fantastic comments, and it was
Speaker 2: like one of them had even written something like yeah
Speaker 2: that and I'd fain I needed I needed mouth to
Speaker 2: mouth or something like yes like the wreck of Hesperus.
Speaker 2: So the best thing is I'm being encouraged to do
Speaker 2: more and I'm taking it. I'm taking it his encouragement,
Speaker 2: and I hope I can please the masses with more
Speaker 2: first traps. But I mean, what will be daunting is
Speaker 2: when It's like, my mates watch it and I'm and
Speaker 2: you know, I'm coming over for dinner the next day,
Speaker 2: and they're just like wow.
Speaker 3: So like, what is it you? Did?
Speaker 2: You have a body double? My girlfriend's like, that's not you,
Speaker 2: that's a body double. I've never seen that man before.
Speaker 2: Where's he Can I talk to him?
Speaker 1: As embarrassed as I am that you've managed to see
Speaker 1: my Facebook post. I did put this question in there
Speaker 1: at the start of this podcast because seeing you come
Speaker 1: out of the water like that is a vision that
Speaker 1: people will have to search because podcast is audio, so
Speaker 1: they're listening to this and they'll be like, what the
Speaker 1: hell are they talking about? And then I know once
Speaker 1: they see the photo of you coming out of the water,
Speaker 1: they will be compelled to watch this series from start
Speaker 1: to finish.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope you do. I hope you see that,
Speaker 2: and I hope you go, ah, can you put on
Speaker 2: some clothes? And then you realize that I put on
Speaker 2: a lot of clothes in the show, so then they'll stay.
Speaker 2: And I actually have a voice and talk and have
Speaker 2: scenes where I discuss things, and it was all of
Speaker 2: those things where I got to do it and Geraldine
Speaker 2: Haykwall was like, how fantastic for you to be ejectified,
Speaker 2: and I went, yeah, it's kind of a massive smile.
Speaker 2: Was like, it's all a bit of fun. And I
Speaker 2: do hope that regardless whatever floats you, but whatever brings
Speaker 2: you to the show, I hope that makes you stay. Literally,
Speaker 2: I pull a sunken boat out of the river, so hey,
Speaker 2: look boat or sunken boat, I can fix you.
Speaker 1: Well. Raised in northern Western Australia, you really owe your
Speaker 1: mom forgetting you started and acting. Was there a backup
Speaker 1: plan if this all went to shit?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, she was just a very pushy individual. No, she
Speaker 2: was a mum's done everything under the sun. And I
Speaker 2: think when her son came back from being away in
Speaker 2: Brazil for a year with three very random tattoos and
Speaker 2: no idea of what he wanted to do apart from
Speaker 2: dig holes as a landscaper, she got very scared and
Speaker 2: wanted him to do something more with his life, so
Speaker 2: suggested that I audition for Wapper and either. But I
Speaker 2: didn't really have a backup plan. I've never really had
Speaker 2: a backup plan really for a lot of things. I
Speaker 2: think that's one of the gifts that I inherited from
Speaker 2: my mother and father is that they've both just been
Speaker 2: massive risk takers, and not in the sense of ever
Speaker 2: endangering life or whatever, but just going. You know, I
Speaker 2: have a thought and a dream and a passion. I'll
Speaker 2: just go for Dad wanted to surf for the rest
Speaker 2: of his life and be professional sportsman, and he played
Speaker 2: state basketball and then coached and captained with Luke Longley
Speaker 2: before he went to the Chicago Bulls. My mum absolutely
Speaker 2: has done every job under the sun and continues to
Speaker 2: do so, like you can't keep him down. So there's
Speaker 2: never been a backup plan. But there's also never been
Speaker 2: an actual really family discussion around the dinner table, going Joel,
Speaker 2: this is very difficult and financially stressful and a bit
Speaker 2: oad of ordinary, and so in that it just feels
Speaker 2: like I'm doing a nine to five in a very
Speaker 2: odd ball kind of way. So I feel very lucky
Speaker 2: to have a supportive family and people that keep going, Oh,
Speaker 2: that was fun. What's the next story you're telling?
Speaker 3: So's it's good?
Speaker 1: Well, your dad was and probably still is an indigenous educator.
Speaker 1: Has that given you a passion to help get indigenous
Speaker 1: storytelling up on the small and big screen?
Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I mean, so my father is an Indigenous educator and
Speaker 2: works predominantly or has worked predominantly in Nyalamar and Injiabati country,
Speaker 2: which is the Pilbro northwestern Australia, so near Caratha and
Speaker 2: Dampier in those areas. And you know, the reason why
Speaker 2: he got involved in that is because our heritage is
Speaker 2: nong where from the taunder Up nation down south in
Speaker 2: southwestern Australia. So that awareness of knowing that you're part
Speaker 2: of a song line or part of a history that
Speaker 2: is based in storytelling. It's the oldest surviving culture in
Speaker 2: the world and that only survived through storytelling, through sharing
Speaker 2: song lines, through sharing artwork, through sharing songs like It's
Speaker 2: something that I can am continually trying to connect more
Speaker 2: with but also learning now that it's more about me
Speaker 2: listening rather than doing talking and engaging with elders and
Speaker 2: engaging with young Indigenous kids or other Indigenous performers and writers,
Speaker 2: actors and directors.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Reaching out to Bunya Production and being involved in Mystery
Speaker 2: Road Too was a massive gift to work with Wayne
Speaker 2: Blair Orck Thornton and Jada Alberts and Dude the guy
Speaker 2: who is Aaron Patterson.
Speaker 3: You know that guy. It's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: So whenever you go home, there's a massive focus on well,
Speaker 2: what are you doing in the community, what are you
Speaker 2: being a part of with your community, and how are
Speaker 2: you empowering other voices And so that that led me
Speaker 2: to do a big performance with the Muddich Mob, which
Speaker 2: is a group of young Indigenous performers and dancers from
Speaker 2: Wesley College and Perth And if you want to see that,
Speaker 2: that's on YouTube.
Speaker 3: We did the.
Speaker 2: Dead Heart by Midnight Oil at Telethon and it was
Speaker 2: the biggest performance of Indigenous kids and Indigenous performers in
Speaker 2: Telethon's history.
Speaker 3: We know, serve your country, You don't.
Speaker 2: Serve your know yours No speak your time?
Speaker 3: Why man came to everyone?
Speaker 2: To be a part of that stuff is really wonderful.
Speaker 2: But also to know that you're empowering other future Indigenous
Speaker 2: artists to be leaders and to be passionate about their
Speaker 2: stories and identities is awesome. So the more I can,
Speaker 2: as a very talkative young man, shut up and listen
Speaker 2: and learn is a gift and I hope that we
Speaker 2: continue all to do that, whether it's Indigenous voices or
Speaker 2: other minorities inside of Australia. I think it's really important
Speaker 2: we get those stories seen and heard.
Speaker 1: Well, how important is it to you to make shows
Speaker 1: that reflect astray and culture broadly, not just about the
Speaker 1: Indigenous community, but just who we are as Australians.
Speaker 2: It's massively important. It's pretty much the main criteria for
Speaker 2: everything I do. Everything I do has to meet that
Speaker 2: idea of are you telling something that speaks to the
Speaker 2: Australian psyche? Now, I mean Deadline Gallipoli was created and
Speaker 2: was set to roll out for the hundredth anniversary of Anzak,
Speaker 2: But it was the idea of everyone's heard the story
Speaker 2: of Anzac, so how do you reinterpret it in a
Speaker 2: way that's actually going to address the psyche? And that
Speaker 2: came through the guise of it being about the journalists
Speaker 2: and about speaking to false news or how reporting he's
Speaker 2: filtrated and kind of weaned down and the impact of media.
Speaker 2: So that was a really wonderful story. And then telling
Speaker 2: Peter's story and being a part of Peter Allen is
Speaker 2: what I'm referring to. But whenever we get a chance
Speaker 2: to tell something or be involved in a project, that
Speaker 2: we know is going to be seen by potentially and
Speaker 2: hopefully millions and millions of people. It's our job, whether
Speaker 2: you're a leading cast member or a supporting cast is
Speaker 2: to continually ask are we talking to the Australian psyche now?
Speaker 2: And are we seeing Australian voices and faces of now?
Speaker 2: Regardless of it being in the sixties, regardless of where
Speaker 2: it's coming from or what it is. The world is
Speaker 2: more than capable of blind casting. I mean, the queen
Speaker 2: in Bridgington is of Ethin, Like, It's not who we
Speaker 2: would expect to be playing a queen, and nor are
Speaker 2: any of the other roles inside of that realm. And
Speaker 2: it's so wonderful to see people be like, I'll accept
Speaker 2: it because it's beautiful acting and it's a beautiful story.
Speaker 2: So the more we can share what's truthful to the
Speaker 2: now is a big part of our job. Something I'm
Speaker 2: very passionate about.
Speaker 1: Were you influenced by fellow Western Australia Heath Ledger growing up?
Speaker 1: Did that make you believe that you could go on
Speaker 1: and have this career that you're having.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it did.
Speaker 2: And in saying that too, I think what is also
Speaker 2: sometimes hard to fathom in those elements is like the
Speaker 2: idea of them is wonderful, but they're so detached from
Speaker 2: who you actually are or your own journey, and everything
Speaker 2: has changed since then, and so for me, I tend
Speaker 2: not to try to draw inspiration from other actors or entertainers.
Speaker 2: I actually take it from the people who I'm working
Speaker 2: with or who I'm telling the stories for, or two
Speaker 2: Like I get so much inspiration from a little kid
Speaker 2: coming up and saying, you know, I really enjoyed that,
Speaker 2: or I saw your song the other day or I
Speaker 2: heard it on the radio, or you know, when you
Speaker 2: go and do a sixty person show in Albany in
Speaker 2: the six degrees at like this tiny pub and you've
Speaker 2: got everybody singing or people clapping to your own songs
Speaker 2: and saying I love that.
Speaker 3: Thanks that made my day.
Speaker 2: You go, yeah, cool, that's okay, I'm on the right track.
Speaker 2: I've got to keep doing that. So I think in
Speaker 2: that way, or when you meet someone from like Chile
Speaker 2: in Early Beach and they go, you're from that show,
Speaker 2: and it's yeah, Like, it's not about necessarily being recognized
Speaker 2: or lauded.
Speaker 3: It's just about.
Speaker 2: Knowing that your story is impacting people and making a difference. Yeah, connecting,
Speaker 2: And that to me is that's why I was a
Speaker 2: muso when I was fifteen years old, was because I
Speaker 2: loved it. I loved seeing four hundred people in a
Speaker 2: pub get very messy in dance and have a great time.
Speaker 2: And it hasn't changed. I mean, don't get mess in
Speaker 2: your launder and watching Miss Fisher, but have a great time.
Speaker 1: That depends on who.
Speaker 3: Cares in your living room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, too many, Bailey, I'd be in Melbourne. You might
Speaker 2: be your second lockdown. You might just want to get loose,
Speaker 2: but you know who cares.
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated with this one question, which is how do
Speaker 1: you loan your lines? You know, what's the best technique
Speaker 1: for you? You know, I know you went to neither
Speaker 1: and they can be quite specific or can work with
Speaker 1: people on an individual basis, But how do you loan
Speaker 1: your lines?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hyper specific to every role. So and it's
Speaker 2: not a form of method acting. It's more a form
Speaker 2: of me cementing it in a different part out of
Speaker 2: my sight.
Speaker 3: So it's like.
Speaker 2: Engaging our brain functions on electricity And oh wow, anyone
Speaker 2: who's listening, who's like a neuros, like just turn off
Speaker 2: for a brain surgeon because I don't know what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about. But the idea being that myle and our
Speaker 2: passageways only expanded the more we use them, and we
Speaker 2: can connect a different part of our brains, and we
Speaker 2: only really use like a little part of it. So
Speaker 2: for each role, I try to engage a different part
Speaker 2: of it, whether it's physically or creatively, and try to
Speaker 2: lock into something that I haven't done before, which scares
Speaker 2: the hell out of me but also empowers me to
Speaker 2: continue discovery. So, for instance, with Charles Bean, that was
Speaker 2: very He was a very didactic and practical guy, almost
Speaker 2: on the spectrum, and so therefore I was balancing a
Speaker 2: tennis ball on every piece of syntax or punctuation, sorry,
Speaker 2: and learning the rhythm of it that way, and learning
Speaker 2: the staccato delivery and almost succinctness of his speech, like
Speaker 2: he didn't mess with work. It was direct, so there
Speaker 2: was no flourishes, there was just delivery. Whereas for Peter
Speaker 2: all and I sang everything and would try to find
Speaker 2: what key it was in or if it was a
Speaker 2: ballad or a pop song or a love song, whatever,
Speaker 2: and I would write that down as my little kind
Speaker 2: of theme for the scene. And then that was how
Speaker 2: I played into that, and I remembered it with that
Speaker 2: sing song quality, and it gave me that brevity that
Speaker 2: Peter Allen has.
Speaker 1: You know, I was always a performer.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he was always performing. And then what's more
Speaker 2: with Miss Fisher, which is really fun for me now
Speaker 2: is everything. Seventy percent of what I do is interrogation.
Speaker 2: In this series, I asked a lot of questions or
Speaker 2: I'm dumbfounded by Peregrine. You know, was it an ongoing relationship? Oh,
Speaker 2: of course not.
Speaker 1: He was a married mat.
Speaker 3: So while we're still sending him love letters.
Speaker 1: That's not what this is.
Speaker 2: So my answer is continuously in the other character. And
Speaker 2: all I have to do is remember what the point
Speaker 2: of the scene is, whether it's ask about the murder
Speaker 2: weapon or ask why did you do the I didn't like?
Speaker 2: Why did you do the thing I said not to do?
Speaker 2: And the really fun thing is to get close to
Speaker 2: learning the lines.
Speaker 3: And I'll do it.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll have eight scenes over fourteen hours in
Speaker 2: a day and I won't forget a line, I won't
Speaker 2: drop lines. I don't take my script with me to work,
Speaker 2: but I'll have it all within me, but I'll intentionally
Speaker 2: forget whatever's going on and know that as long as
Speaker 2: I keep asking the questions or following the seeds they drop,
Speaker 2: I'll somehow come across that beautiful house in the woods.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Like that's the fun thing, is doing all the homework
Speaker 2: forgetting everything and then walking around like some lost idiot,
Speaker 2: like it's in you, you direct me where am I going?
Speaker 2: It scares year co stars and especially people who are
Speaker 2: there for a day or whatever, like what is this
Speaker 2: guy doing?
Speaker 3: But in that it's so.
Speaker 2: Much more playful because it can become didactic or too
Speaker 2: fast or you know, lacking creativity, so it changes every time.
Speaker 1: We talked really briefly before about Mystery Road, which is
Speaker 1: another show for Acorn TV, which I haven't actually seen yet,
Speaker 1: but you know, I watched the two trailers of those
Speaker 1: two seasons and it looks absolutely incredible. How hard is
Speaker 1: it to get these shows seen with so much competition
Speaker 1: in the streaming space?
Speaker 3: Oh, look, it's it's really difficult. It's one of those.
Speaker 2: Things where people will come back and continually come back
Speaker 2: to shows, either because of the style, the actors, the direction,
Speaker 2: the way it made them feel we're animals. We like
Speaker 2: going back to the things that make us comfortable or
Speaker 2: that remind us of ourselves. And I think we're getting
Speaker 2: better in Australia. We've always been amazing at it like
Speaker 2: that takes away from decades, you know, decades and decades
Speaker 2: of TV and storytelling, but we're getting much better at
Speaker 2: kind of playing to our audience but challenging our audience.
Speaker 2: And I hope that this series that we made for
Speaker 2: Miss Fisher, it changed the format from the last series.
Speaker 2: So the last series was telemovies, you know, for telemovies.
Speaker 2: But the great thing now is that the format is
Speaker 2: like forty five minutes and it's racy, it's really sexy.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun, it's a lot of tongue
Speaker 2: in cheek. It's so much more jiv it's so much
Speaker 2: more sixties and sassy. And I hope that that pleases
Speaker 2: an audience so that not even just in Australia, but
Speaker 2: internationally people go, that was really fun. I want that
Speaker 2: to come back. I want to continue to watch that.
Speaker 2: So I think if you can do the right things
Speaker 2: for an audience, they'll keep coming back, which is why
Speaker 2: A Mystery Road has been going for three films and
Speaker 2: two seasons. You know, like it ticks all the boxes.
Speaker 2: It does the right thing. So if you make content
Speaker 2: with your audience in mind, your audience will find you,
Speaker 2: regardless of the platforms and how much stuff there is.
Speaker 2: I've got faith in the Australian people and the people
Speaker 2: of Acorn.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Brian Walsh was on this podcast a few weeks back
Speaker 1: from Foxtel and he claims, your best work is on
Speaker 1: Deadline Gallipoli. He's very proud of the fact that he
Speaker 1: was very instrumental in getting you cast on that. But
Speaker 1: what's your proudest achievement? And acting?
Speaker 2: Definitely with you know, with ex girlfriends, in cooking, like
Speaker 2: being like wow, that tastes fantastic delicious. No, I'm kidding,
Speaker 2: I think, And thanks to Onsh too, because he did
Speaker 2: get me my first job. And I do think that
Speaker 2: some of my best stuff was in Deadline because I
Speaker 2: wasn't conscious. I was so unaware of the machine. I
Speaker 2: was so I was twenty two, I turned twenty three
Speaker 2: on set, Like I had a night with Hugh Dancy
Speaker 2: and Sam Worthington on set and our scene had no dialogue.
Speaker 2: It was just sitting around a campfire, you know, and
Speaker 2: then Charles Dance took me to dinner and you know
Speaker 2: you're sitting there with Now I know who he is
Speaker 2: because I've finally seen Game of Thrones, but he was
Speaker 2: just a bad guy from Last Action Hero opposite, you know,
Speaker 2: watching that game.
Speaker 1: I always think of Charles Dance being an alien three
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, I wonder if if you have
Speaker 1: a moment where you because I mean, imagine what it
Speaker 1: would be like to be an actor and to be
Speaker 1: killed by the iconic alien from the Aliens film as
Speaker 1: a part of your career. You know, That's what I'd
Speaker 1: be like, Charles Dance, talk to me about what it
Speaker 1: was like to be killed.
Speaker 2: By the alien. No, it's not like Seawan mean, you know,
Speaker 2: like he dies for a living. I never I don't
Speaker 2: think any other actor has been killed more on film
Speaker 2: or TV. But that's it, Matt, Like when he fell
Speaker 2: out onto the dish in Double O seven that was awesome,
Speaker 2: or the yeah, the arrt. Sorry, let's not talk about
Speaker 2: Sean Ben because I can go on forever. No, what
Speaker 2: I'm most proud of, you know that kid that started
Speaker 2: in Deadline Gallipoli and had no idea and was completely fearless,
Speaker 2: but was a sponge. And I'm really grateful for the
Speaker 2: people cast and cru Crue specifically, who gave me the
Speaker 2: time of day and answered my questions. And you know,
Speaker 2: I take notebooks to lunch and sit down with someone
Speaker 2: like a different head of department every day for the
Speaker 2: entirety of the shoot and ask them what they did
Speaker 2: and why they did it, What made a good actor
Speaker 2: in their eyes, what made a good performer, what made
Speaker 2: a good team member?
Speaker 3: What makes a good show? Like, what do you look for?
Speaker 2: That's special? And I want to have a chat to
Speaker 2: that kid. Yeah he's got some secrets, but yeah, most
Speaker 2: proud of that stuff. I think that was That was
Speaker 2: a pretty special moment in time.
Speaker 1: Well, miss Fisher. The brand of this as well is
Speaker 1: such an iconic show. You know, there's been so many
Speaker 1: different incarnations. Did you go back and watch all the
Speaker 1: other versions as a part of the learning process slipping
Speaker 1: into this character?
Speaker 3: Never?
Speaker 2: My thing is like, even when doing Peter Allen, people
Speaker 2: were like, oh, did you know did you watch Hughes
Speaker 2: version or did you go back and talk to Todd
Speaker 2: McKenney or anything. I'm like, no, of course, not and
Speaker 2: not out of respect, but more out of respect for
Speaker 2: the material, like more out of respect for what we
Speaker 2: wanted to do. And it doesn't come from arrogance. It
Speaker 2: comes from a place of knowing that I'm such an
Speaker 2: EmPATH and I'm such a listener that if I do
Speaker 2: watch something, I'll just steal a kind of yeah, and
Speaker 2: by degrees of empathy, yeah, to steal it. I stayed
Speaker 2: away from it, and not out of disrespect, more out
Speaker 2: of like kind of like wanting to do our one justice.
Speaker 2: And I think we did. I think we really got
Speaker 2: here with the second season. I think this one is
Speaker 2: for fans. I think this one if you've loved your
Speaker 2: murder mysteries, you will love this. This is something that's
Speaker 2: all together refreshing and all together new.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun to make. It's very cheeky.
Speaker 2: But I definitely kind of stayed away. But there's like
Speaker 2: a there's a Chinese Missfish and modern murder mysteries.
Speaker 1: Now I know I only found this same It's everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's great that it's found its home in different incarnations.
Speaker 1: I think that's really important as well. You know you
Speaker 1: said that you watched a lot of Clint Eastwood to
Speaker 1: get some inspector inspiration. Ah, what murder mystery shows did
Speaker 1: you watch growing up? Are you surprised? Are you surprised me?
Speaker 2: I just like every time someone goes because I say,
Speaker 2: Cleinia stood a lot, and then like you hear it
Speaker 2: and you go, oh, man, that's so like you just
Speaker 2: hear yourself, Like I'm the ultimate little cowboy kid. I'm
Speaker 2: that little milky bar boy. And so when people are like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, cliniast like I'm so lame.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good one. I think that's good
Speaker 1: inspector inspiration.
Speaker 3: And even acting.
Speaker 2: A lot of my stuff comes from He's so good,
Speaker 2: Like he does so much with so little and in
Speaker 2: so many different ways, like Million Dollar Baby in his
Speaker 2: relationship with his family, like Mystic River, his creation of
Speaker 2: that with those three characters.
Speaker 3: He played all the music on Mister Grigabat.
Speaker 2: If you've never seen it, go back and listen to it.
Speaker 2: He composed the music. He's like our Charlie Chaplin. Charlie
Speaker 2: Chaplin would write the film, direct the film, act in
Speaker 2: the film, and then write the music for the film.
Speaker 2: Some might call that controlling. Some might call that talent,
Speaker 2: And I think that's really aspirational quality is to be
Speaker 2: like know yourself so well that you can really stretch
Speaker 2: your boundaries to a point where you are coming up
Speaker 2: against things that are very new, which is why Clint
Speaker 2: is still ninety one years old and making.
Speaker 1: The best movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, you can see Clint Eastwood's name now. I mean
Speaker 1: when people ask me it's Sunday afternoon, they need a
Speaker 1: good Sunday movie, I just literally now go to Clint
Speaker 1: Eastwoods directing and he's back CATALOGO. Yeah, everything is like
Speaker 1: just so good. But I mean going back to the
Speaker 1: question though, was the what murder mystery shows did you
Speaker 1: watch growing up?
Speaker 2: No, because I never really watched murder mysteries. I'm not
Speaker 2: necessarily a fan of the genre.
Speaker 3: Geraldine is.
Speaker 2: So when you sit there and chat to Geraldine about this,
Speaker 2: what I say is blasphemy. It's like you you shouldn't
Speaker 2: be here.
Speaker 3: You're you know, you're you're a fake.
Speaker 1: She wrote, she'd be listing all of these classics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but to me, it's like, my I do love
Speaker 2: Alfred Hitchcock, but I more love his like you know,
Speaker 2: the Kerry Grant and How to Catch a Thief I
Speaker 2: love that romance. I love that old school Adam's rib.
Speaker 2: I love bringing up Baby with hat Burn and all
Speaker 2: these kind of things where it was really playing on
Speaker 2: the idea of what it means to be male and
Speaker 2: what it means to be female in that time and
Speaker 2: at a time where you know, her wearing like a
Speaker 2: suit was the coolest thing in the world because it
Speaker 2: just broke all these kind of stigmas and ideas. So
Speaker 2: those things have been my inspiration for this. But you know,
Speaker 2: those that John Wayne kind of thing, and Robert Mitcham
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, that really old school
Speaker 2: kind of masculinity that was, and Humphrey Boger and that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. That's They've probably been more of an
Speaker 2: influence on me than any kind of modern sense of
Speaker 2: acting or modern sense of performance, because there's something timeless
Speaker 2: in that and something so completely universal inside of that.
Speaker 3: It's you know, at a time where.
Speaker 2: Cinema was this big and there was only probably being
Speaker 2: you know, a bunch of movies being made every year,
Speaker 2: but somehow those movies are still around. Everything gets made
Speaker 2: these days, and who knows if something's going to be
Speaker 2: watchable in the next twenty years.
Speaker 3: It'll disappear.
Speaker 2: So I try to put my finger on what it
Speaker 2: is that made those guys really special and those stories
Speaker 2: really special, And that is my influence. That's my kind
Speaker 2: of card that's up my sleeve. It's like I want
Speaker 2: to connect to that.
Speaker 1: When did you shoot the series? Because how did COVID
Speaker 1: affect the production?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: We shot of October to February of last year and
Speaker 2: this year. So we had a break for Christmas, which
Speaker 2: was good because everybody needed it. But we got lucky
Speaker 2: in Melbourney. We had the chance to get it done
Speaker 2: in Melbourne, and we all were wearing masks to set
Speaker 2: every day. And then when we couldn't because the girls
Speaker 2: had this beautiful makeup and stuff on, you can't wear
Speaker 2: a mask, they had a plastic shield in front of
Speaker 2: their face that they'd carry around on a stick that
Speaker 2: we called the Tilda Swinton because she had it at
Speaker 2: carn I think. So we got inspiration from that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then someone in the studio was like building them
Speaker 2: every day, Like one of the runners were.
Speaker 3: Like, what are you doing? Are you building? Like? Are
Speaker 3: we playing lacrosse? Like what is this? Like? No, that's
Speaker 3: for your falls to my face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So We were very lucky and hats off to
Speaker 2: our crew and production a team that made it possible.
Speaker 2: So we were probably one of the lucky productions in
Speaker 2: the world to still be able to shoot. So it
Speaker 2: was a good time to be an actor.
Speaker 1: Was there any heritage on the show for you and Geraldine?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you'd have to try and protect
Speaker 1: certain elements. I can imagine being such a long standing
Speaker 1: character that there must have been some elements that you
Speaker 1: could not touch or change or were you allowed to
Speaker 1: sort of explore.
Speaker 2: Really good question. I think it's why I also, I
Speaker 2: wanted to do this series in the first place. I
Speaker 2: wanted to do something that I was revisiting. I wanted
Speaker 2: to be involved in Miss Fisher because of the idea
Speaker 2: of it being recurring and learning how to do that.
Speaker 2: Everything I've done was a movie or a limited series,
Speaker 2: so this is a whole other ballgame, And there was
Speaker 2: a lot of it where in this series. If you
Speaker 2: liked James but couldn't really connect to him, this is
Speaker 2: your series to go, oh, this is where this guy's from,
Speaker 2: and this is who he is and what initially happened
Speaker 2: was my byline, like your character intro was like, you know,
Speaker 2: not to take away from the writers at all, a
Speaker 2: very busy job. But for the first series, it was
Speaker 2: like a paragraph and everybody else at this beautiful, you know,
Speaker 2: half a page or a page. And so I went
Speaker 2: away and wrote like three to five pages of this
Speaker 2: guy's life and who he was and where he came from.
Speaker 2: And then we got the script for the second series,
Speaker 2: and a lot of that had been reflected inside of
Speaker 2: the guy, and.
Speaker 3: I was so proud.
Speaker 2: I was so proud of writers, the production and ourselves
Speaker 2: of creating something where it was growing. And so the
Speaker 2: heritage itself was blossoming, like we were deepening the veins
Speaker 2: of these characters and giving them full three hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty degree perspectives for an audience look at it was
Speaker 2: like a three D drawing. The first one was almost,
Speaker 2: you know, a bit of a beautiful like Sunday in
Speaker 2: the Park with George two D thing, and then this
Speaker 2: was like walking around in Avatar, you know. So I
Speaker 2: think we were aware of the heritage, but we also
Speaker 2: were fearless in creating what will become hopefully the bedrock
Speaker 2: of more series and more of the story.
Speaker 1: Why do you think people should watch the series? Because
Speaker 1: if people listening to this now and they haven't seen,
Speaker 1: you know, the first sort of telemovie versions of it,
Speaker 1: and then now coming into the second series, in your mind,
Speaker 1: if you can pitch to the people like, why do
Speaker 1: you think people should watch it?
Speaker 2: People need escapism, And I used to think that was
Speaker 2: really a silly thing to do as a storyteller. And
Speaker 2: then when no, life is so damn precious and life
Speaker 2: is so damn fun and frivolous, and all too often
Speaker 2: we get stuck in that kind of bubble of just
Speaker 2: doing whatever we do. And this series is something that
Speaker 2: you can put on and you'll immediately fall.
Speaker 3: In love with.
Speaker 2: You'll fall in love with the characters and the way
Speaker 2: they clumsily move through their love life, the way they
Speaker 2: passionately go after the things they want, the way they
Speaker 2: figure things out. This is a really mature show, and
Speaker 2: I think it's a really fun thing to also have
Speaker 2: a bit of tongue in cheek.
Speaker 3: So I hope that if you do.
Speaker 2: Watch it and you find a little thing to click
Speaker 2: onto and you really fall in love with.
Speaker 3: It, fall hard, because it'll.
Speaker 2: Reward you in times to come. This show only gets
Speaker 2: better as the episodes go on and you know, we'd
Speaker 2: be doing cast reads and going, whoa, I thought the
Speaker 2: last block was good's really good, so you know, and
Speaker 2: that's coming from Catherine McClements and Greg Stone and people
Speaker 2: who have been making TV for and theater and film
Speaker 2: for years. And our guest is that were coming on
Speaker 2: are some of the best guest is in Australia because
Speaker 2: everyone was home during COVID and wanted to act, and
Speaker 2: so we've got the best ensemble cast a. We looking
Speaker 2: at the TV going, oh, that's their chick from you
Speaker 2: know so and you'll get a blast out of it.
Speaker 2: So tune in, get some popcorn, get loose in your house.
Speaker 2: I don't mind, and wait for whatever episode I get
Speaker 2: my kid off, enjoy yourself.
Speaker 1: Who is this girl? Men?
Speaker 2: Fisher your fronty, Fisher's net.
Speaker 1: I need a good detective right now.
Speaker 3: I'm more than happy to give it a while.
Speaker 1: There's just so much that I could talk to you about.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just watched the short film Stranger, but
Speaker 1: I've downloaded HS for Happiness, which I'm now going to
Speaker 1: watch with my partner as soon as we finish this interview.
Speaker 1: But the list is endless of the shows and you
Speaker 1: seem to bring something unique to every single role. It's
Speaker 1: actually quite crazy. If you're in the IMDb zeigeist of
Speaker 1: Joel Jackson, what role do you get asked the most about? Though?
Speaker 1: You know, what is that? What's that role that people
Speaker 1: ask you the most questions about?
Speaker 2: Well, firstly, thanks for saying that. I think that's like,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what I'm talking about. That is exactly the
Speaker 2: reason why I want to keep making stories is because
Speaker 2: I think we're all multifaceted people, and the more we share,
Speaker 2: the more other people are less fearful to share. And
Speaker 2: the more we connect and the more we expand, the
Speaker 2: more we expand, the better we are as a civil
Speaker 2: That's our point. But the thing that I get most
Speaker 2: asked about, I think is it's always Peter.
Speaker 3: People are always.
Speaker 2: Going did you sing or you know, did you play piano?
Speaker 2: Or was your hair really that, you know, really that thin?
Speaker 2: Did they was that shaved bald patches or did you
Speaker 2: have those board patches? Now I'm taking the mickey, but
Speaker 2: a lot of that stuff, like we I sung all
Speaker 2: of it, and though I can't play piano, I fought
Speaker 2: really hard to get that stuff done and to be
Speaker 2: able to sing live on the show and in the moments,
Speaker 2: and yeah, but that's that's probably the most asked about.
Speaker 1: I think I said this to you when I saw
Speaker 1: you a couple of weeks ago. My partner and I
Speaker 1: watched it twice. We'd absolutely loved that Peter Allen mini
Speaker 1: series on Channel seven. It was so phenomenal. But I
Speaker 1: want to know, do you find yourself singing Peter Allen's
Speaker 1: tennor Phil Sadler, like you know, when you're in the
Speaker 1: shower and mowing the lawn, Like I can imagine that's
Speaker 1: just more of it these days.
Speaker 2: I'm more like, I'm a massive fan of really heavy rock,
Speaker 2: so Royal Blood, Queens at the Stone Age, Metallica.
Speaker 3: That's not Peter Allen. Go to Peter.
Speaker 2: Peter Allen even songwriting, and I love all of my music.
Speaker 2: If you want to listen to my stuff, my stuff's
Speaker 2: on Spotify under Joel Jackson. I've got an EP and
Speaker 2: there's more singles coming out soon. I've written or produced
Speaker 2: one with Joe cortermain from Eskimo Joe, so that's coming
Speaker 2: out soon. So there's a brand new EP, a three
Speaker 2: song EP, and we'll release two singles first and a
Speaker 2: couple of videos. So I'm working really hard on those
Speaker 2: things at the moment, which is a ton of fun.
Speaker 1: How amazing that you literally have been able to collaborate,
Speaker 1: whether it's through acting or whether it's through music. You
Speaker 1: look at the list of people that you've collaborated with,
Speaker 1: it's just it's crazy. Like Daniel Radcliffe, you know, you think, Wow,
Speaker 1: you're working with Harry Potter, which is just iconic. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you ever bring did you bring Harry Potter up
Speaker 1: with Daniel Radcliffe at any any point while you're on
Speaker 1: set with him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and only like only a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Because I wasn't a massive I was a massive fan
Speaker 2: of the books, but I didn't necessarily watch the movies.
Speaker 2: I kind of grew up before I could be a
Speaker 2: massive fan of them. And I'll go back and watch
Speaker 2: them and be like, wow, Ray Fines doesn't have a nose.
Speaker 2: There's I remember walking through the jungle and I used
Speaker 2: to always be like Daniel, He's like, yeah, I was like, dude,
Speaker 2: I think I found it. He's like found what. I'm like,
Speaker 2: pull up a stick. I'd be like, my wand you're
Speaker 2: a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: Imagine being Daniel Radcliffe and getting that all the time.
Speaker 1: Every day.
Speaker 2: He'd be like, that's why I think he's done. The
Speaker 2: more I think about all the crazy projects he's done,
Speaker 2: it's like he's done that to further himself, like to
Speaker 2: get away from Harry Potter, but also because he's got
Speaker 2: Harry Potter and he's got such clout, Like he's bringing
Speaker 2: all these stories what we talked about, he's bringing all
Speaker 2: these stories that would otherwise go unseen to the main stage.
Speaker 2: He's doing such a crazy job in what he did
Speaker 2: with Swiss Army Man. It was so cool him and
Speaker 2: Paul Danno, Like he's a dead body that gets used
Speaker 2: as like a catapult and like a breathing apparatus and
Speaker 2: all this cool stuff. And it's about loneliness and dealing
Speaker 2: with men's men, mental health and all these other kind
Speaker 2: of aspects, and it would go undiscovered were it not
Speaker 2: for this guy. But that was a massive lesson in
Speaker 2: humility because we would roll into towns in Colombia in
Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere at you know, four o'clock in
Speaker 2: the morning or whatever to shoot the next day, and
Speaker 2: there'd be kids wearing like the black rug off the
Speaker 2: floor their Granddad's glasses and holding it stick and like
Speaker 2: have like a pen mark of the lightning bolt on
Speaker 2: their head all around the area. Like didn't know where
Speaker 2: we were going, just knew that Daniel was coming, and
Speaker 2: we'd be driving through and Daniel would get out and
Speaker 2: stop and go and say hi.
Speaker 3: It was amazing.
Speaker 2: Oh, man, meet your heroes, because sometimes they actually are heroes.
Speaker 1: That man is so special, just a real humility, which
Speaker 1: I think is so important to ground yourself with, you know,
Speaker 1: no matter whether or not you are the actor that
Speaker 1: facilitates the role of Harry Potter or so important to
Speaker 1: maintain that sense of reality.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, reality is a good one. My mum
Speaker 2: is very good at maintaining that sense of reality. My
Speaker 2: sisters all so we're very good at that.
Speaker 3: They're very good.
Speaker 2: When the kids were growing up, I've got I've got
Speaker 2: a niece and three nephews, and when they were all
Speaker 2: growing up from two sisters, two older sisters, beautiful girls.
Speaker 2: And when they were when the kids were growing up,
Speaker 2: it was a thing of like hey, uncle Charles here,
Speaker 2: like hey, kid's word's up and they're like, here's a
Speaker 2: baby with shit in their pants.
Speaker 1: It was like, ah, you may have won a logi
Speaker 1: an actor, and you might have won all these awards,
Speaker 1: but do.
Speaker 3: You know where they hit?
Speaker 2: I had with the logan, the logo, the logan, the
Speaker 2: logi and the actor and the yeah whatever, we had
Speaker 2: them like. I didn't have anywhere put them because I'm
Speaker 2: always on the road, so there's no point in me
Speaker 2: putting it up in a house. I haven't been in
Speaker 2: a house permanently for like ten years, so I had
Speaker 2: nowhere to put them. I put him in a box
Speaker 2: and then my mum heard about that was like, no,
Speaker 2: you can't do that. So I took them home to
Speaker 2: Caratha and gave them to Mum and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: well you can put them somewhere then, like you can,
Speaker 2: you know, do whatever you want. She's like, oh, I will,
Speaker 2: thank you very much.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 2: I'm was like right, cool, whatever, and then left. There's
Speaker 2: lots more of conversation. We don't just talk like that
Speaker 2: in our family. But then I came back the next
Speaker 2: Christmas and Mum I was was sitting there watching the Telly,
Speaker 2: watching a footy game or something.
Speaker 3: I'm like, where's the been there for a week.
Speaker 2: And I haven't spotted them I'm like, where are they.
Speaker 2: I was like, where's what, like the you know, the
Speaker 2: shiny awards, like yeah, those things. She's like, oh, they're
Speaker 2: behind the things.
Speaker 3: And I'm like what.
Speaker 2: And I looked and the photos of my nieces and
Speaker 2: nephews were being propped up by my awards, like they
Speaker 2: were almost picture holders.
Speaker 3: You couldn't see them.
Speaker 2: For the for the photo of like my nephew with
Speaker 2: like a cat or something. It was it was so humbling.
Speaker 1: It was so like wow, I would say that for
Speaker 1: awards on the way. So what happens is award holds
Speaker 1: up nephew photo and then there's another award which holds
Speaker 1: up school photos you know, you know, graduation photos with
Speaker 1: the nephews.
Speaker 2: When you get your emmy on the back of the wings,
Speaker 2: you can like stab the photo onto the back of it,
Speaker 2: you know, like it becomes it becomes more of a holder.
Speaker 3: No, but I think that's.
Speaker 2: Really special, Like I'm more proud that that's home and
Speaker 2: I've got photos of like, you know, my niece and
Speaker 2: nephew holding it and they're like two and five, And
Speaker 2: that's really cool. That's so social because it's yeah, and
Speaker 2: because they've got so much pride in what I do,
Speaker 2: and that is really special.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: I think too, if you can ever connect something outside
Speaker 2: of yourself, and yes, I've got the reasons why I
Speaker 2: want to do what I do, but if you go
Speaker 2: back and to its core, to be a part of
Speaker 2: your community is exactly what we all want to be
Speaker 2: a part of. And I think seeing that makes me
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, okay, cool, you know, I'll keep doing this.
Speaker 2: As I said before about escapism, it's kind of our deal,
Speaker 2: it's kind of our thing. We wear makeup and costumes
Speaker 2: for a living, so it's kind of lovely to have
Speaker 2: other people celebrate those worlds and want to be a
Speaker 2: part of it.
Speaker 1: My last question for you, my friend, is I always
Speaker 1: ask my guests before they go, what is an amazing
Speaker 1: story from behind the scenes that an audience member or
Speaker 1: people in your audience might have shaped that they might
Speaker 1: not know something that happened behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: Okay, oh man, Okay.
Speaker 2: So, because we're doing all of our script readings via zoom, right,
Speaker 2: we couldn't all be in the same room to do
Speaker 2: blocks and blocks of like two episodes at a time,
Speaker 2: So we'd read the next block and in advance of
Speaker 2: us filming it what we're getting all these wonderful people
Speaker 2: and to.
Speaker 3: Help us read.
Speaker 2: And because of that, you're also working with people of
Speaker 2: very different age gaps and generations. So some people know
Speaker 2: how to work zoom, some people don't. And someone left
Speaker 2: their zoom on and they went to the next room
Speaker 2: and just proceeded to go to the bathroom, and we're
Speaker 2: all sitting there with our ears on, going.
Speaker 3: Who's going to tell this guy?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm not going to tell him, Like,
Speaker 2: well you have to them, Like I'm not going to
Speaker 2: tell him. You tell him, so I can't tell him.
Speaker 2: And now it got to the point where no one
Speaker 2: could tell him. And he came back and.
Speaker 1: You see him going through a toilet.
Speaker 2: Ok, you couldn't see him, no, no, no, it was like
Speaker 2: down the hall and whatever. But like you could even
Speaker 2: hear him talking to himself afterwards and kind of been
Speaker 2: like good job, mate, and then walking back and all
Speaker 2: of us are like, we have another hour with you,
Speaker 2: like and then someone said it within about five minutes
Speaker 2: of everyone coming back and said, oh, I think you
Speaker 2: had that microphone turned on, mate, just make sure it's
Speaker 2: turned off next time. He goes, oh, no, no, no, that's okay.
Speaker 2: I knew and so he knew that he was doing it.
Speaker 1: Oh he's that guy.
Speaker 2: He was intentionally like, good job, mate, check it out,
Speaker 2: and then came back and was like, you're all a
Speaker 2: part of this. This is a collaboration. This was a
Speaker 2: team effort. So I mean, that was the one that
Speaker 2: stuck with us.
Speaker 3: We just walk arounds.
Speaker 2: Soon as you did a great scene or you messed
Speaker 2: something up on set, it was good job, mate.
Speaker 1: Thanks well, thank you so much for being able to
Speaker 1: join me and telling that story. It is definitely one
Speaker 1: of the best ones so far. I just feel like
Speaker 1: I've been so lucky to chat with you, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you will be snapped up by the Marvel or
Speaker 1: DC universe. I can tell you that much. With that
Speaker 1: body coming out of that water, that's not an audition
Speaker 1: to be a Marvel superhero. I don't know what this is.
Speaker 1: So I expect to see you as Aquaman's brother or
Speaker 1: you know, aquaman runt brother.
Speaker 3: I'll be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I.
Speaker 1: Think he's gonna have a run for his money. I
Speaker 1: think he definitely is gonna have a run for his
Speaker 1: money if you end up.
Speaker 2: In that No, look enjoy the show, and thank you
Speaker 2: for the chat, and thank you to for the very
Speaker 2: kind words. And if you are interested, check out the show,
Speaker 2: join Acorn. I think they have like a preview schedule
Speaker 2: where you can kind of test it out. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: get involved and check it because there's a lot of
Speaker 2: great stuff there, not just us. So June seventh, I
Speaker 2: love this show and I hope that you do too.
Speaker 3: So man, thanks for the chat, and if.
Speaker 2: You get a chance to tune in, because we'd love
Speaker 2: you to see it.
Speaker 1: Well, there's so much more to come for you, my friend,
Speaker 1: and I will always be in your audience for that.
Speaker 3: Thanks dude, thanks for having me.