WEBVTT - Tammy Hembrow's Baby Fever 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:04.640 Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:08.440 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.639 Sophie Torbah and coming up on today's show, So for 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:15.680 Dophah labels Australian Fashion Week a shit show and Sammy 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:19.560 Guggenheimer is called out for mistreating a Stan. But first, 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.200 Tammy Hembro declared over the weekend that she has baby fever. 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:25.800 The mum of three went as far as asking her 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.400 followers if she should have another baby, before adding kidding 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:33.440 but not kidding Kate, a rather surprising revelation. Yeah, it 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.320 wasn't what I was expecting from Tammy, considering the marriage 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.600 breakdown rumors that are swirling. So Matt and Tammy still 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.720 appear to be living in separate states, and Tammy has 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.159 made it very clear that Matt isn't at home, so 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:49.199 she's constantly posting with her kids watching movies in bed together. 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:52.840 She also appeared Australian Fashion Week by herself. Matt's been 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.520 making it pretty obvious that he is back living in 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.040 Melbourne too. He's been going on a lot of solo 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:02.280 movie trips. He also slept the MCG for charity and 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.400 a couple of photos actually popped up of him chatting 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:06.400 to some girls, which Tammy would not be happy about. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.080 And he's also been posting a lot of happy snaps 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:12.000 with family. It almost gives the vibe that his family 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:13.319 are rowling behind him. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:13.680 At this time. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.040 Yeah. Well, he shared a photo dump of pictures of 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:18.600 him and his family standing next to this brick wall 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.760 and wrote the caption brick by brick, So it seems 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:23.720 like he's rebuilding himself. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:24.800 That's very deep from him. 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:26.679 And he also shared a photo of him walking in 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:28.920 a forest with his mum from twenty twenty one and 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:30.480 then again in twenty twenty five. 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.600 It shows how close he is to his family in Melbourne. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.360 I want to talk about these posts that Tammy uploaded 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.480 on Sunday morning because they were very strange. So, she 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.600 had been watching the Twilight series with her kids and 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.520 she was saying how excited she was that they. 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:45.400 Were getting into it. 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:47.800 And in one of the movies, I mean, I'm not 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.480 a Twilight stand so I'm not across this franchise, but 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.000 there was a baby featured in it which looked like 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:55.000 an AI baby. 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:57.640 It's not actually a real baby, and she's creepy, wasn't that? Yeah. 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.280 She took a photo of the television screen with the 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.440 baby on it and wrote me baby feether with a 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.480 shaking hands emoji and said, guy, should I have another one? 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:08.480 Low now? 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.440 That was quickly followed up with a picture of wolf 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.799 on the bed and said kidding but not kidding now. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.560 This is all very strange because this comes off the 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.520 back of her husband, Matt, speaking very openly about his 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:27.240 struggles with fertility recently on the Inherited podcast. He doesn't 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.680 like to call himself infertile, but he has said that 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.240 there is a high likelihood that he will really struggle 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.240 to have children yet because he can't naturally conceive because 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.799 he doesn't have any sperm. He did say that there 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.720 is a procedure that he can have that would increase 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.160 the likelihood of him being able to have children. That's 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:46.480 why I was so surprised that Tammy would share something 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.119 like this, because it did seem quite insensitive to Matt 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.440 and what he's been going through. The timing of her 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.000 post was also quite curious because it was the same 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:57.760 day that her ex fiance, Matt Paul, announced the arrival 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.880 of his son with his fiance Anna Lee. So they 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.360 called the baby Parker William Paul and he'll be the 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.920 brother of Tammy Hembro's daughter, Posey. So they really like 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.200 the double pea names Posey Paul and Parker Paul. That's 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.200 quite a mouthful, and I'm going to be too critical 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:15.520 of the names because I'll be putting my baby name 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.680 out there soon. But I am surprised that you'd go 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.360 with a double pe Well, Amy went with a double H. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.920 I think because p makes such a specific noise, like 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.280 it's difficult to pronounce two peas two peas in the 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.480 pot two piece. The birth announcement was really beautiful because 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.680 they had a professional photographer. They're taking photos and one 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.520 thing that stood out to me is that Matt just 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.960 looked so thrilled and happy in the vision. And then 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.600 I was comparing it to his appearance in Tammy's birth flog, 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.800 and it was so clear that they must have broken 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.120 up because his vibe was completely different. 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:47.600 Yeah. 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.960 It was really around the time of Posey's birth that 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.800 followers started picking up on the fact that something wasn't 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.920 quite right in their relationship. Matt Paul was beginning to 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.960 be quite absent from Tammy's content similar to what we're 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.520 seeing now with Matt's kowski. It does seem like Tammy's 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.560 surrounded by babies at the moment, because prior to posting 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.520 that she had baby fever, she had been hanging out 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.640 with her best friend Isabel Laws and her new baby daughter, 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.600 and there'd been a couple of photos uploaded of Tammy 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.080 holding the baby, so this would be adding to it. Interestingly, 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:22.839 Isabel Laws also recently unfollowed Matt Zakowski on Instagram, which. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:23.920 Created a few headlines. 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.400 Matt really is not helping this situation. So on his 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:31.960 podcast this week with Anna macavoy, they spoke about the candle, firework, 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.320 and mirror theory, which is this social media relationship theory 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:39.320 describing different types of relationships. When Anna was getting into 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.320 these relationship theories, I felt like she had to stifle 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.400 a giggle a couple of times because it was so 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.880 clear that the firework theory, which we will throw to 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.839 in a second, is literally Tammy and Matt. Oh, it 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.120 was so awkward, Yet it was kind of like this 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.400 laugh that she knew the audience would know that. 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:56.120 This was about them. 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.480 Yeah, it's kind of like that she knows she's not 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.120 allowed to say anything, but for the sake of their 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.960 podcast and getting ratings up there, they'll start in fairing stuff. 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:05.160 Yeah, let's throw it a little bit. 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:05.760 Of that segment. 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:11.200 So first, let's start with the firework, the most crazy one, 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.800 as the name suggests, being a firework. So this love 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:18.560 is the intoxicating love, the one that burns bright but 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:23.400 fades quickly. So we've all had that relationship, I think, 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.200 especially when I was younger, I think the firework theory 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.479 happened a lot. Like you meet someone, it's explosions and 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.279 then next minute like it's over. 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.600 It all happens so quick. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.840 Super and literally. Is that what they called the burn 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:38.560 bright eye on? 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:44.080 Yeah, So it's exciting, it's dramatic, it's explosive, basically like 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:48.440 an actual firework, it fizzles out quickly and often leaves 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:53.720 behind a smoky aftermath of drama and emotional wreckage. Matt, 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:55.480 can I relate, Yeah. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:59.000 I think in a couple of firework relationships, definitely. I 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:03.320 feel like these ones, though everyone has to go through them. 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.200 I mean, I say everyone, that's a bit of a 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.400 broad statement, but I feel like you learn from them, 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.000 and I feel like you better yourself from those relationships 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.800 and understand a bit more about yourself and a bit 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.479 more about dating. We've always said on this podcast dating 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.560 is about learning, and to learn you need to get 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.800 out there and explore different scenarios in different relationships. I 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.919 think it's a very not useful, but it's something that 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.360 might seem tramatic at the time, but you learn from it. 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:32.360 Yeah, I think the firework love rarely works out. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.880 The vibe I got from that is that Matt is saying, oh, 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.840 he's learned so much from this firework relationship with Tammy 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.960 and he's grown as a person and he's matured. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:43.840 Now that it's over. Is that kind of what you 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:44.800 picked up on. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.800 I actually don't think it's definitely over. I think that 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.520 they're on a break to improve themselves. So I think 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:53.760 Matt is trying to say, like that brick by brick 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.479 post that he did, that he's working on himself and 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.680 he's going to return to Tammy a better man. How 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:01.599 are you, I'm working on your relationship when you're not 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:03.920 even in the same state well and not even liking 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.359 each other's Instagram photos. I know that sounds petty, but 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.400 I've noticed that they haven't liked any for weeks now. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.040 And the awkward thing is he's on this relationship podcast 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.000 and he didn't mention his wife's name once, whereas Anna 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.880 macavoy kept referencing her husband throughout all it. Oh yeah, 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.000 they were talking about how it's fun as a couple 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.280 to do painting classes, and earlier in the year, I 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.720 think it was around New Years, Matt and Tammy painted 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.720 each other and he referenced that, but he didn't use 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.600 her name at all or even reference who he did 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.560 the painting class with. Yeah, Like, he didn't say my wife. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.320 He just said, oh, yeah, I did this with a 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.320 partner once, I know, And despite not talking about Tammy, 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:44.200 Matt referenced a friends with benefit situation which turned into 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.160 a relationship. I'm sure Tammy would have been absolutely thrilled 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.720 with this. So it got brought up when Anna was 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:53.480 saying that most relationships start with some type of firework, 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:54.520 and Matt said this. 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.320 As with one when I was like cooking up with 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.600 the girl for like a couple of years before I 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.200 realized that she was cool shit can started dating her 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:03.120 for over two years. 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.640 That's that must be a rare scenario. Yeah, so what 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.160 you guys were like friends with benefits. Yeah, and then 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:10.840 it moved into it just it just. 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.080 Got more and more, like you know, from every fortnight 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.400 to like once a week, twice a week it like 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.440 go home after going out with her or go like 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.080 and then eventually just got more and more like you know, 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:22.640 in the more you talk, and it was like dates 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.440 more dates, and it just gradually became a relationship. Didn't 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.800 work out obviously, Yeah, but you know you're young. 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.000 Well, to be fair, he's obviously been told by Tammy 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.720 that he's not to mention her at all and anything. 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:35.520 To do with this situation. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.800 So if he does have this Dating and Relationships podcast, 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.120 he really can only refer to past relationships. Yeah, but 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.720 hearing that story made him sound like such a player 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.720 and made it seem even stranger that he raced into 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.400 this relationship with Tammy. I didn't pick up on that 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.040 at all. I just thought he was talking about a 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.800 relationship he had when he was quite young. I actually 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.200 thought it might have been with that Genevieve that keeps 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.400 calling him out. I mean, I love that he says 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.520 it took him a couple of years of having sex 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.960 with this woman to realize that she was a cool chick, 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:05.440 I mean, how awful is that? 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.800 Let's talk about Australian Fashion Week. This is my third 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.480 year attending Australian Fashion Week and I just wanted to 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.959 do a little debrief on how this year has been. 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.200 So it's definitely been an experienced. 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.720 TikTok girl Sophia Beg is at the center of an 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.319 Australian Fashion Week scandal. The twenty one year old influencer, 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.480 better known by her handle Sofa Dofa, labeled the event 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.640 a shit show and called out media in attendance. Now, 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:33.360 before we get into the drama, so can you get 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.760 listeners up to speed with who Sofa Dofa is? 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:36.120 Well? 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.360 She is a big deal in the Australian fashion scene. 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.640 She's a GenZ style icon with her own fashion label 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.720 that often sells out now. When she was seventeen, her 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.480 influencer career really took off off the back of her 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.120 wearing a blue corset from Glassons. 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:50.439 On her TikTok. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:54.760 That item immediately sold out everywhere and she attracted a 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.280 mass audience which now sits at almost. 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:58.199 Three million followers. 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.800 She also made a name for aus when she called 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.440 out fashion label White Fox Boutique and We spoke about 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.400 Sofa on the podcast recently, as her name got dragged 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.840 into the Anna Paul saga. So Mikayla Tester alleged that 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.440 Anna Paul made derogatory comments about her appearance. 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.760 In her Close Set Eyes apparently, and since then. 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.440 A lot of people have had a soft spot for her, 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.079 which is why when she uploaded a TikTok talking about 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.400 her mistreatment at Australian Fashion Week, the people tuned in. 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.400 The video went viral and has over a million views now. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.960 The video went for almost eight minutes and there are 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.240 several parts that I want to discuss. The first is 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.360 about the media in attendance. So Sofa called out the 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:40.200 journalists doing vox pops outside the event. She labeled their 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:44.880 questions as diabolical and inappropriate. Now, for those unfamiliar with 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.040 the term vox pop, it's a short interview with a 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.800 member of the public, normally in a public place like 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.400 on the street or at an event, and the purpose 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.000 is to gather a range of opinions or reactions. However, 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.760 in this new age of media, the motive of vox 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.240 pops has really changed, so they're now being used at 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.959 events like these to try and create a viral moment 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.640 that will gain a lot of engagement online. Things have 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.000 really changed since the TikTok Awards because there are a 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.600 couple of influencers who were caught off guard on the 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.040 red carpet and fucked up and said stupid shit. 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:14.480 That went viral. 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.199 For instance, there was a general question which was being 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.040 thrown at influences around whether they thought the job of 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.439 an influence was hard, and most of them were smart 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.240 enough to play it off and say, oh, you know, 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.480 we're very lucky to have this position, whereas one influencer 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.640 went into how difficult her role was and that the 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.720 public would just be unaware of the amount of work 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.320 that she put into it, which was not a popular response. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.360 There was also that clip of Anna Paul that went 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.439 viral where she was asked if she could be another 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.760 content creator for twenty four hours, who. 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:42.079 Would it be? 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.640 And she said someone that was super super rich that 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.000 traveled a lot. And everyone's like, but that's you, Like, 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:48.840 how unaware are you? 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:49.880 Yeah? 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:51.800 And you can see that this is a tactic that 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.360 they've been trying to implement an Australian Fashion Week, because 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.640 you would expect that there'd be a lot of questions 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.680 about fashion and what the influencers are wearing. But instead 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.400 reporters have been asking invasive questions to try and catch 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.840 influencers out. Yeah, and it's always at the influencer's expense, 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:10.440 isn't it now. Sofa was visibly taken aback when she 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.600 was asked on camera how much she earns and to 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.800 also divulge the biggest brand deal she's ever turned down. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.440 They also wanted her to name and shame that brand. 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.640 This is what she said about it on a TikTok. 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.560 I feel like the interviewer's sole purpose this year especially 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.720 is just to catch people out with tricky questions that 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.200 they know they're going to get like juicy answers from. Like, 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:33.560 I feel like a lot of the questions they're trying 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.800 to get Tea, they're trying to get juicy answers, and 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.079 a lot of the questions you can see are visibly 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.720 making the creators feel uncomfortable. 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.559 I just think that this tactic is very unfair, particularly 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.640 when you consider how young some of these influencers are 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.280 and that they really haven't had any immedia training. That 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:50.120 would be a very. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.240 Difficult question to answer diplomatically. 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.200 Yeah, it kind of shocks me when you realize that 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.400 Sofa Dofa is only twenty one years old, and it's 0:12:57.440 --> 0:12:59.600 not the first time that she's been rattled by an 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.880 interview you before. So She was trolled after her exchange 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.800 with Tony Armstrong at the twenty twenty three TikTok Awards, 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.280 and during that interaction, Armstrong asked her how she was feeling, 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.959 saying you look ecstatic and I'm pumped for you, and 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:15.240 Sofa DPA replied, thank you, will stop flirting with me. 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.040 It was really awkward. We did talk about it on 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.599 the podcast when it happened. Just Tony hit back and 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.839 said that he had a girlfriend and everyone was like, oh, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.240 good on him for turning her down. It was clear 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.800 that in that moment she thought that he was giving 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.720 her some type of compliment, and she explained later on 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:34.160 that other people had been complaining that interviewees weren't giving 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:35.720 them anything and she wanted to be fun. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:37.000 It was just really a joke. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.000 Yeah, and that moment clearly lives rent free in Sofa's 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:42.320 mind because she spoke about how she was freaking out 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.959 during the Australian Fashion Week interviews and so as You 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.600 touched on she's one of the influencers that hasn't had 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.160 media training, and she said that she was stressing having 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:54.120 to answer these questions alone without her manager or her mum. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.800 I think because these viral videos disappear so quickly from 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.960 our fore pages that you forget how difficult it would 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.720 actually be for people to put up with the brutal 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.480 commentary that's going on in the comments section, because those 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.520 influencers get tagged all the time, and if you're someone 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:12.240 that looks at your tags and reads the comments, I mean, 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.480 it'd be very hard not to read what people were saying. 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.600 I know, people go, oh, well, just don't look at it, 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.400 and it's like, well, her job and other influencers a 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.080 job is to create content, and they have to use 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.720 those apps in order to put their content out there 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:26.760 and get paid, so of course they're going to look 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.360 at their notification. And also, influencers get criticized if they 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.560 don't respond to followers requests about where they got their 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.680 outfere from, or if you look generally rude for not 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:38.480 replying to a really lovely comment. 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:38.800 Now. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.880 During this TikTok video, Sofa said that she's often asked 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:43.120 how she's so confident. 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:44.800 Let's take a listen to what she said. 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.640 Other creators or like just people in general. My dms 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:49.520 were asking me like, how are you so confident? I'm like, 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.480 I'm the least confident person ever, Like I have raging body, 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.480 the small fear and on antidepressants. 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.320 I found that really difficult to listen to. And it 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.960 just shows what smoke and mirrors social media is because 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.400 Sofa looks like such a confident person online. 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:04.680 It also shows how. 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:07.920 Detrimental the Anna Paul comments would have been for her 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.800 mental health and also her confidence. Yeah, and unfortunately, it 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.400 seems like the media ended up getting what they wanted, 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:17.080 so a clip of an influencer calling out Sofa went viral. 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.560 In in our deleted video, a journalist ask content creators 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.960 attending the event to name a micro trend final boss. 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:25.120 What does that mean? 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.720 Yeah, I had no idea what this man. I had 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.800 to do some digging. So it's a popular term on TikTok, 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:34.080 and it's used in a derogatory way to describe someone 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:38.360 who chases fashion trends and doesn't have personal style. So 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:42.200 micro trends are really unpopular on TikTok at the moment. 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.800 So to name someone who embodies. 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.600 That is a very low blow. What do you mean 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:47.320 they're in popular? 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.280 I feel like for years now, all we've been seeing 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.480 a micro trends. Is it sort of out of fashion 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.520 to follow those? Is the way you're saying, Yeah, it's 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.600 very unfashionable now to be seen to just be copying 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.400 micro trends. You're seeing as someone that actually isn't very 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:03.240 fashionable at all now. Most of the content creator's interview 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:08.120 looked uncomfortable and avoided answering the question. However, controversial influencer 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.480 Jamie as a party named Sofa. They said, I love 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.800 watching Sofa dofa, but I felt like sometimes she doesn't 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.680 do fashion the way I do fashion. So, for those 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.480 not familiar with Jamie, they are a celebrity stylist who 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:25.560 is non binary, so uses they then pronouns, and Jamie 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.440 isn't a stranger to drama. Last year at the festival, 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.120 they made headlines when they made this grand entrance into 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.960 a show, flanked by helpers holding their dress. Yeah, and 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.560 the backlash towards Jamie was pretty swift. They were instantly 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.280 labeled a hypocrite online because they wore a sheene dress 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.120 to the event. Which is a cardinal sin. 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:49.120 And when we're talking about micro trends, Sheen is one 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:50.640 of the biggest contributors of these. 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.600 Yes, it was a very strange move, particularly after they 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.000 wore Sheen. Now, on the topic of Sheen, I have 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:58.560 to say the journalists ended up getting me because they're 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.960 obviously trying to rage, bade everyone and create all this 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:06.080 engagement because they were asking influencers what would you change 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.359 about fashion in Australia, and a lot of influencers said 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.800 fast Fashion. And I was just scoffing because I'm like, 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.760 so many of you have promoted Fast Fashion, you're doing 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.119 collaborations with Fast Fashion. I understand that it's something that 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.320 we want to end, but if you're so passionate about it, 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.359 don't promote it. I am just shocked that anyone would 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.560 want to be seen wearing Sheen to Australian Fashion Week. Well, 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:27.879 I think Jamie likes being talked about, so it was 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.560 probably something that they thought would get a lot of attention, 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.679 I mean, for the wrong reasons. Now, Sofa addressed the 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.160 controversy in her TikTok video, saying this. 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.879 I feel like the Australian influencer scene is already so 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.960 toxic and we have such big like tall poppy syndrome, 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:47.320 like we don't need other creators bringing people down. Also, 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:49.520 I got named as one of them by someone that 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.520 will shan to Australian Fashion Week. 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.480 Well she has a good point, Yes she does now. 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.000 Jamie responded in a lengthy statement on their Instagram story. 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:00.600 In it they backtracked and claimed they didn't understand the 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.000 question they were asked. They wanted to say that they 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.320 had been unfairly edited, but was ultimately disappointed by how 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.040 SOFA addressed it. They said, I think what you've said 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.679 is questionable at best. It's a tough one because again 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:16.560 Jamie has been set up by the journals. It's difficult 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.000 in that situation when you put on the spot and 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:20.920 you feel like you have to give a name. There 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.200 may have been a lot of pressure in going on 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.879 for them to give some sort of response, particularly after 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.920 a lot of the other influences gave them nothing. Yeah, 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.320