1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: Sophie Torbah and coming up on today's show, So for 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: Dophah labels Australian Fashion Week a shit show and Sammy 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: Guggenheimer is called out for mistreating a Stan. But first, 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro declared over the weekend that she has baby fever. 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: The mum of three went as far as asking her 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: followers if she should have another baby, before adding kidding 9 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: but not kidding Kate, a rather surprising revelation. Yeah, it 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: wasn't what I was expecting from Tammy, considering the marriage 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: breakdown rumors that are swirling. So Matt and Tammy still 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: appear to be living in separate states, and Tammy has 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: made it very clear that Matt isn't at home, so 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: she's constantly posting with her kids watching movies in bed together. 15 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: She also appeared Australian Fashion Week by herself. Matt's been 16 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: making it pretty obvious that he is back living in 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: Melbourne too. He's been going on a lot of solo 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: movie trips. He also slept the MCG for charity and 19 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: a couple of photos actually popped up of him chatting 20 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: to some girls, which Tammy would not be happy about. 21 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: And he's also been posting a lot of happy snaps 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: with family. It almost gives the vibe that his family 23 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: are rowling behind him. 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 2: At this time. 25 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, he shared a photo dump of pictures of 26 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: him and his family standing next to this brick wall 27 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: and wrote the caption brick by brick, So it seems 28 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: like he's rebuilding himself. 29 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: That's very deep from him. 30 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: And he also shared a photo of him walking in 31 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: a forest with his mum from twenty twenty one and 32 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: then again in twenty twenty five. 33 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: It shows how close he is to his family in Melbourne. 34 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: I want to talk about these posts that Tammy uploaded 35 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: on Sunday morning because they were very strange. So, she 36 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: had been watching the Twilight series with her kids and 37 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: she was saying how excited she was that they. 38 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 2: Were getting into it. 39 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: And in one of the movies, I mean, I'm not 40 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: a Twilight stand so I'm not across this franchise, but 41 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: there was a baby featured in it which looked like 42 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: an AI baby. 43 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: It's not actually a real baby, and she's creepy, wasn't that? Yeah. 44 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: She took a photo of the television screen with the 45 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: baby on it and wrote me baby feether with a 46 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: shaking hands emoji and said, guy, should I have another one? 47 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: Low now? 48 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: That was quickly followed up with a picture of wolf 49 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: on the bed and said kidding but not kidding now. 50 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: This is all very strange because this comes off the 51 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: back of her husband, Matt, speaking very openly about his 52 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: struggles with fertility recently on the Inherited podcast. He doesn't 53 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: like to call himself infertile, but he has said that 54 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: there is a high likelihood that he will really struggle 55 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: to have children yet because he can't naturally conceive because 56 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: he doesn't have any sperm. He did say that there 57 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: is a procedure that he can have that would increase 58 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: the likelihood of him being able to have children. That's 59 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: why I was so surprised that Tammy would share something 60 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 1: like this, because it did seem quite insensitive to Matt 61 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: and what he's been going through. The timing of her 62 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: post was also quite curious because it was the same 63 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: day that her ex fiance, Matt Paul, announced the arrival 64 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: of his son with his fiance Anna Lee. So they 65 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: called the baby Parker William Paul and he'll be the 66 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: brother of Tammy Hembro's daughter, Posey. So they really like 67 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: the double pea names Posey Paul and Parker Paul. That's 68 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: quite a mouthful, and I'm going to be too critical 69 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: of the names because I'll be putting my baby name 70 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: out there soon. But I am surprised that you'd go 71 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: with a double pe Well, Amy went with a double H. 72 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: I think because p makes such a specific noise, like 73 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: it's difficult to pronounce two peas two peas in the 74 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: pot two piece. The birth announcement was really beautiful because 75 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: they had a professional photographer. They're taking photos and one 76 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: thing that stood out to me is that Matt just 77 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: looked so thrilled and happy in the vision. And then 78 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: I was comparing it to his appearance in Tammy's birth flog, 79 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: and it was so clear that they must have broken 80 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: up because his vibe was completely different. 81 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 82 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: It was really around the time of Posey's birth that 83 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: followers started picking up on the fact that something wasn't 84 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: quite right in their relationship. Matt Paul was beginning to 85 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: be quite absent from Tammy's content similar to what we're 86 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: seeing now with Matt's kowski. It does seem like Tammy's 87 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: surrounded by babies at the moment, because prior to posting 88 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: that she had baby fever, she had been hanging out 89 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: with her best friend Isabel Laws and her new baby daughter, 90 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: and there'd been a couple of photos uploaded of Tammy 91 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: holding the baby, so this would be adding to it. Interestingly, 92 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: Isabel Laws also recently unfollowed Matt Zakowski on Instagram, which. 93 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: Created a few headlines. 94 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: Matt really is not helping this situation. So on his 95 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: podcast this week with Anna macavoy, they spoke about the candle, firework, 96 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: and mirror theory, which is this social media relationship theory 97 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: describing different types of relationships. When Anna was getting into 98 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: these relationship theories, I felt like she had to stifle 99 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: a giggle a couple of times because it was so 100 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: clear that the firework theory, which we will throw to 101 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: in a second, is literally Tammy and Matt. Oh, it 102 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: was so awkward, Yet it was kind of like this 103 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: laugh that she knew the audience would know that. 104 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: This was about them. 105 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like that she knows she's not 106 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: allowed to say anything, but for the sake of their 107 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: podcast and getting ratings up there, they'll start in fairing stuff. 108 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's throw it a little bit. 109 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: Of that segment. 110 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 4: So first, let's start with the firework, the most crazy one, 111 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 4: as the name suggests, being a firework. So this love 112 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 4: is the intoxicating love, the one that burns bright but 113 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: fades quickly. So we've all had that relationship, I think, 114 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 4: especially when I was younger, I think the firework theory 115 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 4: happened a lot. Like you meet someone, it's explosions and 116 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 4: then next minute like it's over. 117 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 2: It all happens so quick. 118 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 5: Super and literally. Is that what they called the burn 119 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 5: bright eye on? 120 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's exciting, it's dramatic, it's explosive, basically like 121 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 4: an actual firework, it fizzles out quickly and often leaves 122 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 4: behind a smoky aftermath of drama and emotional wreckage. Matt, 123 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 4: can I relate, Yeah. 124 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 5: I think in a couple of firework relationships, definitely. I 125 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 5: feel like these ones, though everyone has to go through them. 126 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 5: I mean, I say everyone, that's a bit of a 127 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 5: broad statement, but I feel like you learn from them, 128 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 5: and I feel like you better yourself from those relationships 129 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 5: and understand a bit more about yourself and a bit 130 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 5: more about dating. We've always said on this podcast dating 131 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 5: is about learning, and to learn you need to get 132 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 5: out there and explore different scenarios in different relationships. I 133 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 5: think it's a very not useful, but it's something that 134 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 5: might seem tramatic at the time, but you learn from it. 135 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the firework love rarely works out. 136 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: The vibe I got from that is that Matt is saying, oh, 137 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: he's learned so much from this firework relationship with Tammy 138 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: and he's grown as a person and he's matured. 139 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 2: Now that it's over. Is that kind of what you 140 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: picked up on. 141 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: I actually don't think it's definitely over. I think that 142 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: they're on a break to improve themselves. So I think 143 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: Matt is trying to say, like that brick by brick 144 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: post that he did, that he's working on himself and 145 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: he's going to return to Tammy a better man. How 146 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: are you, I'm working on your relationship when you're not 147 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: even in the same state well and not even liking 148 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: each other's Instagram photos. I know that sounds petty, but 149 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: I've noticed that they haven't liked any for weeks now. 150 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: And the awkward thing is he's on this relationship podcast 151 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: and he didn't mention his wife's name once, whereas Anna 152 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: macavoy kept referencing her husband throughout all it. Oh yeah, 153 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: they were talking about how it's fun as a couple 154 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: to do painting classes, and earlier in the year, I 155 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: think it was around New Years, Matt and Tammy painted 156 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: each other and he referenced that, but he didn't use 157 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: her name at all or even reference who he did 158 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: the painting class with. Yeah, Like, he didn't say my wife. 159 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: He just said, oh, yeah, I did this with a 160 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: partner once, I know, And despite not talking about Tammy, 161 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: Matt referenced a friends with benefit situation which turned into 162 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: a relationship. I'm sure Tammy would have been absolutely thrilled 163 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: with this. So it got brought up when Anna was 164 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: saying that most relationships start with some type of firework, 165 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: and Matt said this. 166 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 5: As with one when I was like cooking up with 167 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 5: the girl for like a couple of years before I 168 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 5: realized that she was cool shit can started dating her 169 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 5: for over two years. 170 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 4: That's that must be a rare scenario. Yeah, so what 171 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 4: you guys were like friends with benefits. Yeah, and then 172 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 4: it moved into it just it just. 173 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 5: Got more and more, like you know, from every fortnight 174 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 5: to like once a week, twice a week it like 175 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 5: go home after going out with her or go like 176 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 5: and then eventually just got more and more like you know, 177 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 5: in the more you talk, and it was like dates 178 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 5: more dates, and it just gradually became a relationship. Didn't 179 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 5: work out obviously, Yeah, but you know you're young. 180 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: Well, to be fair, he's obviously been told by Tammy 181 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: that he's not to mention her at all and anything. 182 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: To do with this situation. 183 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: So if he does have this Dating and Relationships podcast, 184 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: he really can only refer to past relationships. Yeah, but 185 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: hearing that story made him sound like such a player 186 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: and made it seem even stranger that he raced into 187 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: this relationship with Tammy. I didn't pick up on that 188 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: at all. I just thought he was talking about a 189 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: relationship he had when he was quite young. I actually 190 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: thought it might have been with that Genevieve that keeps 191 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: calling him out. I mean, I love that he says 192 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: it took him a couple of years of having sex 193 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: with this woman to realize that she was a cool chick, 194 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: I mean, how awful is that? 195 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 6: Let's talk about Australian Fashion Week. This is my third 196 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 6: year attending Australian Fashion Week and I just wanted to 197 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 6: do a little debrief on how this year has been. 198 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 6: So it's definitely been an experienced. 199 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: TikTok girl Sophia Beg is at the center of an 200 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: Australian Fashion Week scandal. The twenty one year old influencer, 201 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: better known by her handle Sofa Dofa, labeled the event 202 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: a shit show and called out media in attendance. Now, 203 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: before we get into the drama, so can you get 204 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: listeners up to speed with who Sofa Dofa is? 205 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 7: Well? 206 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: She is a big deal in the Australian fashion scene. 207 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: She's a GenZ style icon with her own fashion label 208 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: that often sells out now. When she was seventeen, her 209 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: influencer career really took off off the back of her 210 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: wearing a blue corset from Glassons. 211 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 2: On her TikTok. 212 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: That item immediately sold out everywhere and she attracted a 213 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: mass audience which now sits at almost. 214 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 2: Three million followers. 215 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: She also made a name for aus when she called 216 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: out fashion label White Fox Boutique and We spoke about 217 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: Sofa on the podcast recently, as her name got dragged 218 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: into the Anna Paul saga. So Mikayla Tester alleged that 219 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: Anna Paul made derogatory comments about her appearance. 220 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: In her Close Set Eyes apparently, and since then. 221 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: A lot of people have had a soft spot for her, 222 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: which is why when she uploaded a TikTok talking about 223 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: her mistreatment at Australian Fashion Week, the people tuned in. 224 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: The video went viral and has over a million views now. 225 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: The video went for almost eight minutes and there are 226 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: several parts that I want to discuss. The first is 227 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: about the media in attendance. So Sofa called out the 228 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: journalists doing vox pops outside the event. She labeled their 229 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: questions as diabolical and inappropriate. Now, for those unfamiliar with 230 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: the term vox pop, it's a short interview with a 231 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: member of the public, normally in a public place like 232 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: on the street or at an event, and the purpose 233 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: is to gather a range of opinions or reactions. However, 234 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: in this new age of media, the motive of vox 235 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: pops has really changed, so they're now being used at 236 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: events like these to try and create a viral moment 237 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: that will gain a lot of engagement online. Things have 238 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: really changed since the TikTok Awards because there are a 239 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: couple of influencers who were caught off guard on the 240 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: red carpet and fucked up and said stupid shit. 241 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: That went viral. 242 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: For instance, there was a general question which was being 243 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: thrown at influences around whether they thought the job of 244 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: an influence was hard, and most of them were smart 245 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: enough to play it off and say, oh, you know, 246 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: we're very lucky to have this position, whereas one influencer 247 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: went into how difficult her role was and that the 248 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: public would just be unaware of the amount of work 249 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: that she put into it, which was not a popular response. 250 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: There was also that clip of Anna Paul that went 251 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 1: viral where she was asked if she could be another 252 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: content creator for twenty four hours, who. 253 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 2: Would it be? 254 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: And she said someone that was super super rich that 255 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: traveled a lot. And everyone's like, but that's you, Like, 256 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: how unaware are you? 257 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? 258 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: And you can see that this is a tactic that 259 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: they've been trying to implement an Australian Fashion Week, because 260 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: you would expect that there'd be a lot of questions 261 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: about fashion and what the influencers are wearing. But instead 262 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: reporters have been asking invasive questions to try and catch 263 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: influencers out. Yeah, and it's always at the influencer's expense, 264 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: isn't it now. Sofa was visibly taken aback when she 265 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: was asked on camera how much she earns and to 266 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: also divulge the biggest brand deal she's ever turned down. 267 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: They also wanted her to name and shame that brand. 268 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: This is what she said about it on a TikTok. 269 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 6: I feel like the interviewer's sole purpose this year especially 270 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 6: is just to catch people out with tricky questions that 271 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 6: they know they're going to get like juicy answers from. Like, 272 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 6: I feel like a lot of the questions they're trying 273 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 6: to get Tea, they're trying to get juicy answers, and 274 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 6: a lot of the questions you can see are visibly 275 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 6: making the creators feel uncomfortable. 276 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: I just think that this tactic is very unfair, particularly 277 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: when you consider how young some of these influencers are 278 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: and that they really haven't had any immedia training. That 279 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: would be a very. 280 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: Difficult question to answer diplomatically. 281 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of shocks me when you realize that 282 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: Sofa Dofa is only twenty one years old, and it's 283 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: not the first time that she's been rattled by an 284 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: interview you before. So She was trolled after her exchange 285 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: with Tony Armstrong at the twenty twenty three TikTok Awards, 286 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: and during that interaction, Armstrong asked her how she was feeling, 287 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: saying you look ecstatic and I'm pumped for you, and 288 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: Sofa DPA replied, thank you, will stop flirting with me. 289 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: It was really awkward. We did talk about it on 290 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,599 Speaker 1: the podcast when it happened. Just Tony hit back and 291 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: said that he had a girlfriend and everyone was like, oh, 292 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: good on him for turning her down. It was clear 293 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: that in that moment she thought that he was giving 294 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: her some type of compliment, and she explained later on 295 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: that other people had been complaining that interviewees weren't giving 296 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: them anything and she wanted to be fun. 297 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: It was just really a joke. 298 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that moment clearly lives rent free in Sofa's 299 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: mind because she spoke about how she was freaking out 300 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: during the Australian Fashion Week interviews and so as You 301 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: touched on she's one of the influencers that hasn't had 302 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: media training, and she said that she was stressing having 303 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: to answer these questions alone without her manager or her mum. 304 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: I think because these viral videos disappear so quickly from 305 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: our fore pages that you forget how difficult it would 306 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: actually be for people to put up with the brutal 307 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: commentary that's going on in the comments section, because those 308 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: influencers get tagged all the time, and if you're someone 309 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: that looks at your tags and reads the comments, I mean, 310 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: it'd be very hard not to read what people were saying. 311 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: I know, people go, oh, well, just don't look at it, 312 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: and it's like, well, her job and other influencers a 313 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: job is to create content, and they have to use 314 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: those apps in order to put their content out there 315 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: and get paid, so of course they're going to look 316 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: at their notification. And also, influencers get criticized if they 317 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: don't respond to followers requests about where they got their 318 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: outfere from, or if you look generally rude for not 319 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: replying to a really lovely comment. 320 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 5: Now. 321 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: During this TikTok video, Sofa said that she's often asked 322 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: how she's so confident. 323 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to what she said. 324 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 6: Other creators or like just people in general. My dms 325 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 6: were asking me like, how are you so confident? I'm like, 326 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 6: I'm the least confident person ever, Like I have raging body, 327 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 6: the small fear and on antidepressants. 328 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: I found that really difficult to listen to. And it 329 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: just shows what smoke and mirrors social media is because 330 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: Sofa looks like such a confident person online. 331 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: It also shows how. 332 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: Detrimental the Anna Paul comments would have been for her 333 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: mental health and also her confidence. Yeah, and unfortunately, it 334 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: seems like the media ended up getting what they wanted, 335 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: so a clip of an influencer calling out Sofa went viral. 336 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: In in our deleted video, a journalist ask content creators 337 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: attending the event to name a micro trend final boss. 338 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: What does that mean? 339 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had no idea what this man. I had 340 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: to do some digging. So it's a popular term on TikTok, 341 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: and it's used in a derogatory way to describe someone 342 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: who chases fashion trends and doesn't have personal style. So 343 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: micro trends are really unpopular on TikTok at the moment. 344 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: So to name someone who embodies. 345 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 2: That is a very low blow. What do you mean 346 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: they're in popular? 347 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: I feel like for years now, all we've been seeing 348 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: a micro trends. Is it sort of out of fashion 349 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: to follow those? Is the way you're saying, Yeah, it's 350 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: very unfashionable now to be seen to just be copying 351 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: micro trends. You're seeing as someone that actually isn't very 352 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: fashionable at all now. Most of the content creator's interview 353 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: looked uncomfortable and avoided answering the question. However, controversial influencer 354 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: Jamie as a party named Sofa. They said, I love 355 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: watching Sofa dofa, but I felt like sometimes she doesn't 356 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: do fashion the way I do fashion. So, for those 357 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: not familiar with Jamie, they are a celebrity stylist who 358 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: is non binary, so uses they then pronouns, and Jamie 359 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: isn't a stranger to drama. Last year at the festival, 360 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: they made headlines when they made this grand entrance into 361 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: a show, flanked by helpers holding their dress. Yeah, and 362 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: the backlash towards Jamie was pretty swift. They were instantly 363 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: labeled a hypocrite online because they wore a sheene dress 364 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: to the event. Which is a cardinal sin. 365 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: And when we're talking about micro trends, Sheen is one 366 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: of the biggest contributors of these. 367 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: Yes, it was a very strange move, particularly after they 368 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: wore Sheen. Now, on the topic of Sheen, I have 369 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: to say the journalists ended up getting me because they're 370 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: obviously trying to rage, bade everyone and create all this 371 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: engagement because they were asking influencers what would you change 372 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: about fashion in Australia, and a lot of influencers said 373 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: fast Fashion. And I was just scoffing because I'm like, 374 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: so many of you have promoted Fast Fashion, you're doing 375 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: collaborations with Fast Fashion. I understand that it's something that 376 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: we want to end, but if you're so passionate about it, 377 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: don't promote it. I am just shocked that anyone would 378 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: want to be seen wearing Sheen to Australian Fashion Week. Well, 379 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: I think Jamie likes being talked about, so it was 380 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: probably something that they thought would get a lot of attention, 381 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: I mean, for the wrong reasons. Now, Sofa addressed the 382 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: controversy in her TikTok video, saying this. 383 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 6: I feel like the Australian influencer scene is already so 384 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 6: toxic and we have such big like tall poppy syndrome, 385 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 6: like we don't need other creators bringing people down. Also, 386 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 6: I got named as one of them by someone that 387 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 6: will shan to Australian Fashion Week. 388 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: Well she has a good point, Yes she does now. 389 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: Jamie responded in a lengthy statement on their Instagram story. 390 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: In it they backtracked and claimed they didn't understand the 391 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: question they were asked. They wanted to say that they 392 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: had been unfairly edited, but was ultimately disappointed by how 393 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: SOFA addressed it. They said, I think what you've said 394 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: is questionable at best. It's a tough one because again 395 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: Jamie has been set up by the journals. It's difficult 396 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: in that situation when you put on the spot and 397 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: you feel like you have to give a name. There 398 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: may have been a lot of pressure in going on 399 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: for them to give some sort of response, particularly after 400 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the other influences gave them nothing. Yeah, 401 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: but Jamie is known for creating controversies, so I think 402 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: it works to some influencer's favor because Jamie is the 403 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: type of influencer who likes controversy. They want to get 404 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: that attention so you know, the journalists and influencers can 405 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: work together. We've seen it with Anna Paul and Mikayla Tester. 406 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: I think that is spurring a lot of this on 407 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of mainstream media went wow, 408 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: that went off. Let's pit other content creators against each 409 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: other and try and enjoy some of those cliques and views. 410 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: As a journalist, I can completely see why they're following 411 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: this direction. It's very clever. It's a great way to 412 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: create engagement and also create brand news stories. Well, at 413 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: the end of the day, traditional media is dying and 414 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: media companies need to jump on these new forms of media. 415 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: I mean everyone always complains about clickbait journalism. This is 416 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: just the new form of it. It's keeping up with TikTok. 417 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 1: They're trying to get eyeballs and interurn dollars. Yeah, but 418 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: I think that this style of questioning actually adds a 419 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: lot of excitement and extra interest around their red car. 420 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: But I think it'd be boring if it was just like, oh, 421 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: what are. 422 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 2: You wearing today? And why? 423 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: Why do the journals have to play it safe with them? 424 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: These people are earning a fluck ton of money. They 425 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: all have managers maybe they should have a bit of 426 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: media training in order to answer some of these questions. Yeah. 427 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: The thing that makes me feel a little bit uncomfortable though, 428 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: is the media exploiting these content creators and sort of 429 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: engagement farming, getting all these comments on their videos and 430 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: that obviously increases their views, But then they're not moderating 431 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: any of the comments because of course not going to 432 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 1: because that, you know, decreases the engagement. 433 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: Well, that's obviously a separate issue in itself. 434 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: I definitely think that the media has to have more 435 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: responsibility over moderating comments sections and turning comment sections off. 436 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: But in saying that, I. 437 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: Do feel like if you have a public profile, you 438 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: should be in a position where you can answer questions tactfully, 439 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: like that sort of just comes with the job. I mean, 440 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: I think we're going to see more and more influencers 441 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: getting media training and then these type of vox pops 442 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: will probably disappear because the journalists won't get what they want. Now, 443 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: if things couldn't get any worse for Australian Fashion Week, 444 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: Sofa Dofa had one last thing to say, so she 445 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: labeled the event a shit show and said that the 446 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: lack of diversity on the runway was fucking insane. Here's 447 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: more of what she said. 448 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 6: Part of my French. But like, I went to a 449 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 6: show yesterday and the like diverse wasn't even in their vocabulary, 450 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 6: like they didn't even know what that word was, and 451 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 6: it was just so shit. Like I was just sitting 452 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 6: there like this is so shit, Like right, Australian Fashion Week, 453 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 6: where is the diversity? Where is the inclusivity? I just 454 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 6: thought in twenty twenty five we would have been a 455 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 6: lot better at that by now. 456 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: Now not a glowing review by one of Australia's biggest influencers. 457 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: I can just imagine the organizers seeing this all going down, 458 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: particularly because this year the event was up in the 459 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: air after sponsor IMG pulled out after running the event 460 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: for twenty years. So the Australian Fashion Council saved the event, 461 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: but they will not be liking this feedback. And I 462 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: think that this is a big reason why people love SOFA, 463 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: because she's not afraid to call injustices or things that 464 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: she doesn't think are right out. I wonder if she'll 465 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: be on the invite list next year, Like. 466 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 3: Someone will be asking, oh, like so, what's happening with this, 467 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 3: like when's this happening? 468 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 8: Or like what is this? 469 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: And that The influencers response is like, I don't understand 470 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 3: why the fuck you would even comment this. 471 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: The way influencers treat their fans in the spotlight after 472 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: podcaster Sammy Guggenheimer scolded a longtime listener for daring to 473 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: ask when her show was returning, The Influences, a lead 474 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: podcast just for girls, has been on a temporary hiatus 475 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: with no communication from either host about the state of 476 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: the show's future. Yeah, and since late last year, there's 477 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: been rumors of a friendship breakdown between the hosts, Sammy 478 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: Guggenheimer and also Easy Armitage and what that means for 479 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: their podcast going forward. So The Influencers launched their podcast 480 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: back in March twenty twenty three, and the show follows 481 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: the similar structure that we've seen a lot of influencer 482 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: led podcasts follow. So basically, the women share updates about 483 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: their lives and they and their audience figure out their 484 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: early twenties together. 485 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: It's nothing new, Yeah, I feel like that is the blurb. 486 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: For so many influence podcasts now. Back in March, rumors 487 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: of a rift between the hosts really ramped up when 488 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: both Sammy and Izzy removed the just for Girls link 489 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: from the Instagram bios, and there was this huge radio 490 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: silence about what was actually going on, which often causes 491 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: rumors to get out of hand and start taking a 492 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: life of their own. So one rumor that gained a 493 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: lot of traction was that the girls had a falling 494 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: out over an ex. So many were convinced that Sammy 495 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: was upset at Easy for sleeping with her ex. So 496 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: Sammy got even by sleeping with Izzy's X. Now, I 497 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: think we have to point out that those are unsubstantiated allegations. 498 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 2: We have no idea whether that is true. 499 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: But that is just the rumor that is going around 500 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: on TikTok, which it's a pretty terrible rumor. Yeah, and 501 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,199 Speaker 1: the girls ended up taking the piece out of that 502 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: rumor sharing this satirical video. So she fucked both my 503 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: ex boyfriends, and I went, oh, I'm gonna now fuck yours, 504 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: and now we're going. 505 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 2: Oh, let's just be friends again. 506 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 4: So that's the situation. 507 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, So we hated each other, so glad you were 508 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 6: wife your mom now and like we you were beefing. 509 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: So the boy were all also fucked your first boyfriend 510 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: that you dated when you were sixteen. 511 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't tell you that more ideas? 512 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: Sorry? 513 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 3: Oops? 514 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 2: Where Yeah? 515 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: I mean it's one way to address a rumor. I 516 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: do enjoy it when people just do it with a 517 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: bit of humor. 518 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 519 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: Now, despite attempting to put the rumors to bed, listeners 520 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: became suspicious again last month when the women stopped recording completely. 521 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: So for the past four weeks they've just been uploading 522 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: reruns with no explanation of what's going on or what 523 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: their future plans are for the show. I hate when 524 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: podcasts do this. We actually had a thread in our 525 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 1: Facebook community about this, how a lot of influencers will 526 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: start up a podcast and they don't realize how much 527 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: work it is to actually have a consistent podcast coming 528 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: out every week, and then they just go a wall 529 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: and never return to it. I am still waiting for 530 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: the Sam and Billy show to come back. That has 531 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: been gone for a year. They've never updated on their 532 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: social media accounts to say what's going on with it. 533 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: It's like so unprofessional. I think a lot of influencers 534 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: forget that if you start a podcast, you become part 535 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: of people's weekly routines, and they build this parasocial relationship 536 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: with you because I think I think on podcasts people 537 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: speak in obviously conversation away, but they open up more 538 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: like you feel like you really know someone when you 539 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: listen to their podcast, and you feel like you're being 540 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: shut out by a friend when suddenly the podcast just 541 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: stops and there's no explanation as to what's going on. Yeah, 542 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: there's definitely a strong parasocial relationship I think with podcasters 543 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: and their listeners. And this is where podcast listener Nikita 544 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: Kathleen comes into the story. So, Nikita has been a 545 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: long time fan of the Just for Girls podcast, revealing 546 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: she traveled for hours to attend the girl's live show 547 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: and she's been to all of their events lined up 548 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: to meet them. And she's also a paid subscriber to 549 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: the podcast and spent over seven hundred dollars on Sammy's 550 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: recent collection Drop. 551 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: So she is a. 552 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: Stand of Sammy Gugenheimer. Yeah, she's very dedicated to the girls. 553 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: She's obviously invested a lot of time and money to 554 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: support them. Yeah. Now, back in April, Nikita created a 555 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: video asking whether YouTubers or podcasters owe their audience and 556 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: explanation or an update when they take an unexpected hiatus 557 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: or go mia. While the video was general in nature, 558 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: Nikita did reference the Just for Girls podcast in passing, 559 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: which in hindsight, she says she shouldn't have done. Now, 560 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: the video started gaining traction and led to Sammy and 561 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: Izzy weighing in in the comment section. It is unclear 562 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: what the girls commented, because Nikita has since deleted the 563 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,239 Speaker 1: video out of respect for them, but she said it 564 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: was clear that they were frustrated by the video, and 565 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: she actually ended up messaging them privately and apologizing. 566 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 2: She said. 567 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: Izzy didn't respond to her message, but sam ended up replying, 568 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: saying that she felt personally attacked by Nikita's video, especially 569 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: because Nikita had been a longtime fan. Sam also said 570 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: to her that the public doesn't know everything that's going 571 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes, and it's not fair for them 572 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: to talk about it now. Fast forward a couple of 573 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: weeks and Nakita, along with a number of other disappointed listeners, 574 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: started asking the girls in their TikTok comment section about 575 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: what was going on with the podcast, and Nikita explained 576 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: that she was curious so she loves the show and 577 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: wrote is the podcast coming back or is it just 578 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 1: going to be reruns. Sammy ended up replying directly to Nakita, writing, 579 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: we have spoken about this. I don't know why you 580 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: feel the need to speak publicly once you have messaged 581 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: me apologizing now. Nakita responded saying we only spoke on 582 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: my video that I deleted and not the podcast. I 583 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: was just asking because it's not in either of your 584 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: bios anymore and people miss it. I'm not attacking you, 585 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: but asking a question. I'm just wondering. As a fan 586 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: of the pod. 587 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: Nikita was really worried that people. 588 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: Would come for her in the comment section, seeing as 589 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: Sammy waded in and seemed to be annoyed at her, 590 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: But in reality, a lot of the listeners were disappointed 591 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: by Sammy's tone to her, and many noticed that Sammy 592 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: liked one of the few negative comments that was directed 593 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: at Nakita. So the negative comment said hopefully we can 594 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: have an end to your trolling and speculation. 595 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 2: We can only hope now. 596 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: Nakita ended up creating a five minute response video explaining 597 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: how she felt about Sammy's response. Let's ever listen to 598 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: some of what she said. 599 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 7: I just want to say. This was never supposed to 600 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 7: be hate. This was never supposed to be me attacking them. 601 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 7: I was really just curious as a fan as to 602 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 7: what's going on, and a lot of other people were 603 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 7: asking questions as well, And yeah, it kind of hurt. 604 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 7: Her response kind of hurt because it's like it was 605 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 7: only to me. She hasn't responded to anyone else. She 606 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 7: hasn't addressed to anyone else. Everyone that's been asking, she 607 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 7: hasn't said anything, and she could have just said like 608 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 7: update coming soon or something, but like, yeah, like and 609 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 7: because I've met her, like, yeah, kind of hurt. So 610 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 7: I've since I'm followed. Unfortunately, it did hurt a little 611 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 7: bit as a fan. It was a bit disappointing because 612 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 7: I've put so much support and energy into them. I've 613 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 7: traveled hours and hours to see them, Like you know, 614 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 7: I've put in a lot of effort, I guess, and 615 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 7: to not get the same public respect, I guess you 616 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 7: could say back like I've always defended them and stuff. 617 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: I felt really sorry for Nikita hearing this. It is 618 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: clear that she has invested a lot of time and 619 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: money into supporting these two women, and it feels like 620 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: they were more than aware of this. They know exactly 621 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: who she is, and I feel like Nikita's biggest crime 622 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: is literally being upset that her favorite podcast isn't returning. 623 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be worse if Sammy and Izzy when 624 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: on this hiatus and literally none of the listeners cared 625 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: or noticed. But you've literally got someone who's devoted to 626 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: you being like, oh my god, I missed this show 627 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: so much. Please let me know when it's coming back. 628 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: And I don't know how difficult it would be to say, hey, Nikita, 629 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: thank you so much. It was so excited that you 630 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: love the show. We don't have any information right now, 631 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: but we will update you as soon as we know. 632 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: This really isn't an isolated incident. I mean, we've actually 633 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: got to thread in our Facebook community about people who 634 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: have been blocked by influencers, And often these people are 635 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: fans of the influencer and they're merely just suggesting something 636 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: in the comments, they're not trying to be rude, and 637 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: then they end up getting blocked. And a lot of 638 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: the time when this happens, there's this parasocial relationship that's 639 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: going on, and you honestly feel so rejected. Like I've 640 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: had heaps of influencers blocked me because of this podcast, 641 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: and I feel a bit hurt because I'm like, I 642 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: love watching your content and a lot of the time 643 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: people then turn into not trolls, but they go on 644 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: tatle life and they have a bit of a bitch 645 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: about the influence. Yeah, it's kind of because you feel 646 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: like the influence as a friend, and particularly if you've 647 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: been supporting them for a long time. A lot of 648 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: influencers forget about this parasocial relationship that people have with them, 649 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: and they don't realize that these people have been following 650 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: them for such a long time, and because they really 651 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: love them and respect what they do. If there's something 652 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 1: that they feel like they could be doing better, or 653 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: they have a question about when something's coming back, they'll 654 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: ask it. But they're not doing it with malice. They're 655 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: just wanting to know something. 656 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 2: It is hard. 657 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: Because on the other side of it, we obviously have 658 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: this podcast and we have a lot of listeners message us, 659 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: and sometimes you have to go, oh, hang on, they're 660 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: not having a go they're just sharing an opinion. 661 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: But it's difficult to reatone over messages as well. 662 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: You can sometimes feel like you are being attacked and 663 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: you're like, hang on, I've tried really hard putting this 664 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: content out, so I can kind of see a little 665 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: bit where Sammy's coming from. I don't think she's executed 666 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: it very well, because you need to go hang on. 667 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: This is someone who is paying for my podcast subscription, 668 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: is a fan of the show. They just want the 669 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: podcast back. I think a lot of podcasters and influencers 670 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: need to remember that this is a business at the 671 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: end of the day. And if you were in any 672 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: other sort of professional role and a client or a 673 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: customer came to you with something they were dissatisfied about 674 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: or just a general question, a lot of these times 675 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: they're just questions. 676 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: You could never respond so rudely to them. Yeah, exactly. 677 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: I mean, think about how many times you were working 678 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: in a retail job and you'd love to tell someone 679 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: to go get fucked, but you don't. 680 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: Like you just got to be professional. And that's the thing. 681 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: Even though listeners, unless you've got a sub channel, don't 682 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: necessarily pay for your content, they are still supporting you 683 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: by downloading your episode. They're helping you grow, They're helping 684 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: you go higher in the charts, which leads to sponsorships. 685 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: So I think that you need to have a certain 686 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: level of respect for your listeners. Yeah, well, as you said, 687 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: podcasters and influencers are nothing without the audience they have, 688 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: so they need to treat them well. Now, Nikita's video 689 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: has been doing the rounds on gossip sites, and most 690 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: people are absolutely shocked by the way Sammy replied to her. 691 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: One user wrote her reply was so unnecessarily rude to 692 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: a simple question. Another said that all just popular, mean girls. 693 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 2: Who you'd be scared of in high school. 694 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: They don't care about the people that support them. They 695 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: care about popularity and looking better than everyone else. Now, 696 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: this isn't the first time that Sammy has been called 697 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: out for being condescending to her fans. Back in February, 698 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: she hit back at claims that she gate keeps her products. 699 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 2: From her followers. 700 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: Oh, I remember we spoke about it, because she speaks 701 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: in this tone that is very condescending, and I think 702 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,719 Speaker 1: because she is such an attractive person that you do 703 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: get a bit of a mean girl vibe from it. 704 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: Or in this video, she was rolling her eyes and 705 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: she pulled a lot of facial expressions where you got 706 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: the vibe that as you say, Cay. She felt like 707 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: she was superior to those she was talking to, and 708 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: in the video she told her followers that they should 709 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: try being an influencer and that she doesn't read her 710 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: comments section to protect her peace, so that's why she 711 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: doesn't reply about where her products are from. She also 712 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: finished the video by essentially mocking her followers requests, saying, yeah, 713 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: this pimple here's from chocolate. 714 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 2: I bought it at Woolly's. And this video did not 715 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 2: go down as. 716 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: You can imagine, she ended up having to delete it 717 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: because there was so much backlash. Now, this incident with 718 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: Sammy and the listener led to this reaction video from 719 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: TikToker Eva Dixon. 720 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 3: Guys, I swear to fucking god, there's this niche of 721 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 3: Australian influencers who literally act like their supporters are trying 722 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 3: to kick their dogs. If I see another fucking instance 723 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 3: where like someone will be asking, oh, like so what's 724 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 3: happening with this, like when's this happening, or like what 725 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 3: is this And the influencer's response is like, I don't 726 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 3: understand why the fuck you would even comment this. 727 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 8: Oh my fucking god, they're trying to support you I'm 728 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 8: so sorry. It shows like it really shows that you're entitled, 729 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 8: but it literally just comes off as so fucking entitled, 730 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 8: like oh my god, God forbid someone to fucking support you, 731 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 8: and you have to comment back and be like, oh, 732 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 8: like it's happening, then your life is so hard, good grace. 733 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,840 Speaker 2: I mean, that's really spot on. 734 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: There are influencers who give off this vibe that their 735 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: fans are just these annoying inconvenience that they have to 736 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: deal with and can't they just go and get free 737 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: clothes and go to nice events without having to deal 738 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: with his crescence. It's like they're dirt on the sole 739 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: of their shoe and they're like, fucking get away, don't 740 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: talk to me. And that video did resonate with a 741 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: lot of people. It has almost generated half a million 742 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: views and thirty eight thousand likes. 743 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 2: What makes this story. 744 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: Even weirder is that following this altercation with Nakita, Sammy 745 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: and Izzy announced that Just for Girls is actually coming back, 746 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: so following the debacle, they shared a photo of themselves 747 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: at Coachella to their podcast page and wrote, We're back. 748 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 1: After our amazing time at Coachella, we are back behind 749 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: the mics next week recording year Epps can't wait for. 750 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 2: You to hear it. 751 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but couldn't they just fucking said that to 752 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: begin with, instead of denigrading and insulting one of their 753 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: longtime fans. Yes, like, why wouldn't you write, oh, news 754 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: coming soon or something like that, And I'm like, how 755 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: fucking dare you ask me one more time? Tone was 756 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 1: just so patronizing. I am interested to see if Nikita 757 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: will be tuning in maybe some hate listening now. 758 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 2: Well, actually, she said that she has. 759 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: Unfollowed both of the girls on Instagram, but if it 760 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: were me, I probably would tune in just to hear 761 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: what has been going on and whether they would reference you. 762 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 2: She's definitely tuning in. Yeah, I think so. 763 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: Well. I think that is all we have time for today. 764 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this episode. 765 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 2: If you have enjoyed it, could you please make sure. 766 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: You are subscribed on Apple podcast and also Spotify. This 767 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana 768 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders 769 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: past and present. 770 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 8: I say