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Speaker 1: The guy called Benjamin Schreiber. He's on a life sentence, right,

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Speaker 1: what did you do? Don't want to go into it,

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Speaker 1: get serious, right, But he's on a life sentence.

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Speaker 2: He's probably killed Tom.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to confirm or denarie whether he's done that.

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Speaker 1: But he's on a life Centerce where is he He

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Speaker 1: is in Iowa.

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Speaker 3: He's in Iowa prison.

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Speaker 2: I still have the death penalty in Iowa. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, this is where things get interesting. In twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: it was quite a while ago. It's back in the

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Speaker 1: news that it could be hidd in the courts. In

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, he developed kidney stones and then began suffering

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Speaker 1: from septic poisoning.

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Speaker 3: Right, and his heart stopped and then he had to

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Speaker 3: be resuscitated.

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Speaker 2: Oh so they could kill him.

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Speaker 1: So totally separately, he actually legally died for about four minutes.

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Speaker 1: His heart stopped for four minutes, and then he was revived.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, So he was like, look, I've already died.

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Speaker 3: I've died. Hence I have completed the legal need.

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Speaker 2: In me actually wants to ask more questions. But you're not.

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Speaker 2: You're inadequate.

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Speaker 1: No, I want to get into it. I just think

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Speaker 1: this is the most fascinating local case. So I just

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Speaker 1: I just want to do it, and I know we

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Speaker 1: won't die.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, I want to do You

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Speaker 2: want to get kidneys done? No no, I.

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Speaker 3: Want to do the court case. We don't have a

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Speaker 2: You want to do it with me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to do quickie court, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, real kisses, real quick. It's quickie court. Call call

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Speaker 2: quickie course. The experts in the tree.

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Speaker 1: The carpet court. No, no, girls, clever. Okay, here's how

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Speaker 1: it's gonna work. Thirteen one oh sixty five is our number.

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Speaker 1: We need a jury. First three, people who deem themselves

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Speaker 3: Okay, you have to be a reasonable person.

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Speaker 2: The fare and lay excuse me even know it? Layman,

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Speaker 2: like a like a reasonable lay. You've never heard there before,

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Speaker 3: All right, you need to be a lay and you

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Speaker 1: Again, first three, you're going to be our jury, and

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Speaker 1: then up next will I am going to be on

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Speaker 1: the side of the guy who thinks he doesn't deserve

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Speaker 2: You're going to try and defend him. Yes, you're going

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Speaker 2: to try and say this guy shouldn't die.

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Speaker 3: He's done his life sentence.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm dying.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, okay, that's I'll have thirty seconds to argue that.

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Speaker 2: You will be the opposite. Ten I, you are joking.

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Speaker 2: You want to choose that side. I thought about it.

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Speaker 2: You can defend the guy call QUINTI course the experts

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Speaker 1: There's genuinely a fascinating real court case that's going on

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Speaker 1: right now in Iowa. Prisoner called Benjamin Schreiber is serving

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Speaker 2: He's not up for the death Penaltyologies I clarify that.

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Speaker 1: I was saying death sentence before the song. It's a

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Speaker 1: life sentence, okay. He is now claiming, though, that because

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Speaker 1: going guys, I served my life sentence. YEP, I died, right,

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Speaker 3: Anyway, So I want to do a quickie court right now.

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Speaker 3: So we're both going to be.

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Speaker 2: Defending him, and I'm going to be prosecuting him. And

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Speaker 2: I've got a jury of fair and lay people who

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Speaker 2: of an uneven number three, but I know there are

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Speaker 3: We do have three now.

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Speaker 1: I don't have time to talk to all of you,

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Speaker 1: but we do have Bernadette, Angela and Robert. I'm just

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Speaker 3: But why are you a reasonable person to be on

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Speaker 4: Mate?

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Speaker 5: I just say it how it is and there's no bulls.

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Speaker 3: Him between perfect I'm happy with that. No objection from me.

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Speaker 1: He sees it out is now will I don't know

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who goes first?

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Speaker 2: I'll probably go first.

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Speaker 3: Well, the floor is yours.

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Speaker 1: You have thirty seconds, okay, to tell me why this

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Speaker 1: guy shouldn't get off his life sentence because he's heart stopped.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this guy's been given a life sentence, which

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Speaker 2: I think we all agree is a horrible form of punishment.

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Speaker 2: There's the reason he's been given a life sense because

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Speaker 2: a sentence which we all think he deserves, is absolutely preposterous.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't make any sense at all. In fact, I don't

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Speaker 2: think we'd be talking about this unless you confused life

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Speaker 2: sentence for the death penalty earlier, would he, and then

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Speaker 2: you realized during the song that a life sentence wasn't

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Speaker 2: the death penalty. I'm sad to think that somebody who

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Speaker 2: a twenty year sentence. Otherwise that all be doing it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, time's up, Okay, jury, that's a great point a prisoners.

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Speaker 2: All prisoners would then just start finding ways to make

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Speaker 1: You've gone far too long, and I will ask all

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Speaker 1: jurors to scratch wills last five seconds of points.

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Speaker 3: Bernadette, you're good with that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great, it stopped when the timers stopped, so all

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Speaker 1: must scratch it, all right. I've got thirty seconds now

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Speaker 3: But I'm defending.

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Speaker 6: We go well, the definition of reincarnation is this the

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Speaker 6: belief that the soul of spirit after biological death begins

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Speaker 3: Yes, this man point ended. Benjamin has died.

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Speaker 1: Illogically, he died, and he is about to start a

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Speaker 3: His previous life did have a life sentence, and he

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Speaker 3: served it. I'm my thirty.

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Speaker 2: He served it.

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Speaker 1: I'm having five more seconds. He has served it, but

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Speaker 1: his life ended. He is now in a new life

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Speaker 1: where he's a good little boy.

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Speaker 2: He's the same person.

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Speaker 3: He's not in his head. Not your head, but he's

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Speaker 3: not in his head. He's a good boy. Okay, new life,

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Speaker 3: No life centers on new life.

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Speaker 2: I read about that.

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Speaker 3: Read I arrest my case. Arrest my case.

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Speaker 2: What about the people that he killed?

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Speaker 3: Strike that from the from the court records.

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Speaker 2: He's got a life sentence. He's done something very naughty,

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Speaker 2: which we're not allowed to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: He haven't gone in.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to think about the families of the people

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Speaker 2: that killed.

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Speaker 1: Strike that from the court. Okay, let's go to well,

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Speaker 1: let's go.

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Speaker 3: To the jury. Put that down, we go to the jury.

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Speaker 3: We obviously need an It's a best of three here

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Speaker 1: Bernadette, do you think this man is out of his

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Speaker 5: Good good judgment on both calls. I think he still

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Speaker 5: needs to stay in. I think he's still guilty.

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Speaker 3: Okay, very good. One nil to Will? What will do

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Speaker 2: Second? An orthodox put us to a Hindu on here

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Speaker 2: that genuinely believes in reincarnation. I think you cooked angela, Angela?

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Do you think he served his life sentence because his

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Speaker 5: Both good points, but I think he needs to serve

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Speaker 2: It's over to finish with Robert. Let's finish with Robert.

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Speaker 2: I want the grand slam. I want the clean sweet Robert.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, mate?

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Speaker 1: He's died, He's dying, He's come back and new man.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 2: I know he goes and how he says it. The

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Speaker 2: results or that the finding from the Bruce Lehman trial

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Speaker 2: have just concluded this afternoon. And Mikayla Whitburn, whose legal

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Speaker 5: Hello? Oh so huge day today. So we've just had

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Speaker 5: Justice Lee's decision in Bruce Lehman's defamation case against ten

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Speaker 5: that Bruce Lehman raped Brittany Higgins in Palman House in

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Okay, if you could treat me like a twelve year

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Speaker 1: old here, Mikayla, I am quite so with legal proceedings.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you have you too.

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Speaker 1: So what's happened today is that the lawyers representing Channel

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Speaker 1: ten have proved enough that he did actually commit the rape. Yes.

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Speaker 5: And it's really important to note here that this is

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Speaker 5: not that Bruce Lemon raped Britainny Higgins'm Parlament House. Now

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Speaker 5: that is necessarily a much easier task, although it's still

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, but that can happen now that there's evidence

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Speaker 2: to show or that someone has proven some level of truth.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying that there's going to be any criminal

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Speaker 5: he's been found to have committed this act. And it

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Speaker 5: does mean that he's completely lost his defamation case and

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Speaker 5: he's now on the hook for essentially millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: Oh right, So, michaelis, why wouldn't this now go to

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Speaker 1: let's criminally change this guy.

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Speaker 3: Now, why wouldn't that happen?

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Speaker 5: Well, we have to go back to twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: You could have worked from home amazing could have, but

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Speaker 8: Federal Court has found that I've published a true story

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy for her.

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Speaker 5: Here take care, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: What a day. She's a busy girl. Mikayla Whitburn, bloody.

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Speaker 2: I'd like you to get her.

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Speaker 1: How BIG's a court report? I've never done one of them.

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Speaker 2: It's all. It's all there, Megan Markle. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: After she was mocked for her in practical on field attire.

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Speaker 1: And seven hundred and sixty dollars fongs is appropriate racer tire?

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Speaker 1: What of those flip flops got I'm sorry, I'll put

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's seven hundred and sixty dollars.

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Speaker 2: Particularly one day after she was mocked for her in

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Speaker 3: Oh she's not.

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Speaker 3: It's too much polo for me. Two days straight she.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I would imagine very good cannipace.

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Speaker 2: how long did how on youday? How long have they

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Speaker 3: Six years?

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Speaker 1: To bang on, that's extraordinary, that's extraordinary, fact some fact

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Speaker 1: it could be and they might have a child, that's.

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Speaker 2: Someone look the fact that for me, for me, it

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Speaker 3: What do you mean you just go don't You don't

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Speaker 3: you find that? Like early on it was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we'll spend a couple of hours in this restaurant. Nowadays

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Speaker 2: I like. I enjoy food. Yeah right, I'm still going out,

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Speaker 2: tief maybe an oyster. You know this?

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough, Okay, I'm just not a food.

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Speaker 2: I'll have a look at the desserts, of course they will.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, okay, I'll get you on this one.

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Speaker 2: Early in a relationship, I have it on a seven hundred.

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Speaker 1: I feel like you're like, oh no, I'll get like

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Speaker 2: I tend to eat a lot all the way through. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's probably fair enough.

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Speaker 2: You probably quite because you have your bowl syndrome. You're

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Speaker 2: very very careful about what you eat early in a relationship,

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Speaker 2: very very true. In fact, I imagine you'd avoid meals

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Speaker 3: I was definitely a guy or a Yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't want to have to say onion free,

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Speaker 2: Well there you go. See, Hey, I'm going to say

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Speaker 3: Here, massages give you massage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's an early on thing.

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Speaker 2: Even as whether you're saying that it's like a nice

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Speaker 3: For playing general generally was very transactional.

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Speaker 2: That's just that's how transactional it is.

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Speaker 2: And also because you get to the point if you're

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Speaker 2: used to getting rejected that you just throw it up,

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Speaker 2: like I'll just throw it down the hallway. That's your shake.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't a metaphor, by the.

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Speaker 3: Way, showering together.

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Speaker 1: Share the shower that when you're actually showing with someone's

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Speaker 3: Can you give me a go under the head.

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Speaker 2: That's very true. That's that's a very good one. Another one,

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Speaker 2: I was thinking here another one. I'm thinking, here the

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Speaker 2: Men still trying to defend their mother after an interaction.

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Speaker 3: So you're saying that happens early I think so.

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Speaker 2: I think early on, I think all guys are like, oh, no,

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Speaker 3: It's the hardest thing to do.

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Speaker 2: You do right, you do after you leave, or you

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Speaker 2: can't say anything.

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Speaker 3: You're a bit silenced.

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Speaker 1: I'd almost chop my tongue out when the conversation comes up.

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Speaker 2: Exciting.

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Speaker 1: How seriously, it's time for celebrity yess who?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, So basically I describe a celebrity. You

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Speaker 2: And if you can guess who the person is before Wood,

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Speaker 3: All right, so next sorries probably go on. We allow

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Speaker 2: Would you'd like a bit of neck chat when you're sick?

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Speaker 2: All right, here, I'll give you the first clue. Everyone

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Speaker 2: else give us a call thirteen one oh six five

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Speaker 2: gonna give you one clue for now, though, hit me

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00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 2: m round face, quite a round face.

445
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 3: Round face, round face, Boris Johnson, Boris Johnson.

446
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's round so it's more like blobby. Yeah,

447
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 2: round round, quintessential moonface. I'm gonna say so if you well,

448
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:36,679
Speaker 2: I'll go to Jackie first.

449
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 3: Fair enough, Jackie, who do you.

450
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 2: Reckon that is? I think it's a good, great guess incorrect?

451
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 3: His son Matthew, similar face.

452
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,199
Speaker 2: No, no, I wouldn't know.

453
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:56,679
Speaker 1: Paul Giammarty, No not Paul Giamarty, No, would you like

454
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 1: some more another clue?

455
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably need it?

456
00:20:58,960 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

457
00:20:59,240 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 3: Wait one more again?

458
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 2: A moonface?

459
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 3: Have you seen anyway? Go on next?

460
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: Puffy cheeks quite pronounced quite like full cheeks, but not

461
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 2: necessarily a chubby face, if that makes any sense. Cheeks,

462
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: quite puffy cheeks for a slender face.

463
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 3: Ryan Gosling.

464
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 2: Amelia's called on th Hi, Hi, Amelia, who do you

465
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 2: think that is? I think I got this.

466
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 6: Bannaby Joyce, Oh wow, great guess incorrect?

467
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 2: Incorrect, Yo, good guess Amelia, Wow, Amelia love that. There's

468
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 2: sorts of cheeks I'm after, But slender face with those cheeks, cheeks,

469
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 2: honey colored hair, honey colored.

470
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 3: Hair alba.

471
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 2: Incorrect. Mariah Carey, No, no, no, So we've got round

472
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 2: face pretty much a moonface. I'm going to say, quite

473
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: puffy cheeks, quite full cheeks, but still a lend a

474
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: face to go with those full boys. She's got honey hair.

475
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: The woman honey hair. I'm gonna give you one more hair.

476
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 2: Narrow eyes, narrow hmmm, narrow eyes. Now, don't yeah, narrow.

477
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 2: That's no reflection on earth on their ethnicity, wasn't I

478
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,959
Speaker 2: wasn't thinking that you You were James on Thurday one

479
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 2: and six five? James, is it Jonah Hill? Honey hair? James?

480
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 2: Does Jonah Hill have honey colored hair? And is he

481
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: a woman? Samantha's called one and six five Samantha?

482
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 7: Hi?

483
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: Hi?

484
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 3: Do you think it is Samantha?

485
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 4: Well, originally I was thinking Selena Gomez, but then you said.

486
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 7: Honey Jennifer Lawrence, Jennifer, No, guests, not sorry, it's honey

487
00:22:59,040 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 7: colored hair.

488
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: It's a round face with full cheeks, still a slender face,

489
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: full cheeks though, Gneth Paltrow, they've got thin eyes and

490
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: they've got very well maintained eyebrows. I'm going to say

491
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: one more thing here. Their skin is almost porcelain, their

492
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: skin almost porcelain. Honey hair. Now, would you like a

493
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: neck clue your Neckxico.

494
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to you're gonna have to give me

495
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 3: the neck. Talk to me about her neck, give me

496
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 3: the length of her hair.

497
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 2: It's always well, when they were younger, kid, it was

498
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 2: a lot younger. No, the hair now probably sits at

499
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: shoulder heart or just below shoulder height, which I think

500
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: is on trend at the moment. If I had to

501
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: Sarah Snook, no, I'm going to say lighter hair in

502
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: the hair. You're in the right hair zone with Snook.

503
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: But she's more slender than Snook. Jasmine's called on thirty

504
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: one Jasmine, who is it?

505
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 7: Does It's question?

506
00:23:55,080 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: Well, wow, that's the perfect description of her face. Thank

507
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 2: you appreciate that. Josh Thomas in the studio. Hello, good

508
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: tickets to Josh's show That's Tidy Up available a Josh

509
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 2: Thomas dot com dot au. But Josh saw that you

510
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 2: were on a road trip with your mom to Cans

511
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 2: recently and saw a whole bunch of regional fetishers on grinder.

512
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 4: I'm always traveling around to I'm always opening grains and.

513
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 2: I just want to you, is this with your mom?

514
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: By the way, Like, why.

515
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 4: You're who always got my grain job with my mum?

516
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you open your grinder with your Mom.

517
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I say, the boy's going to pick me up

518
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 4: a going the through the water far, I'll be back.

519
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 3: Do you choose do you choose men with?

520
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: Mom?

521
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 3: Mom? What do you think about this? This guy?

522
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't get out of vat then.

523
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: He looks like a good boy.

524
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 4: But if I'm on a trip with my family, I'm not.

525
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 4: I'm not. Note you don't understand, no, no, no more

526
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 4: probably less because I need an excuse to go. You know,

527
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 4: like if I say to them, the lower.

528
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 2: Your standards with you when you're with your family.

529
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 4: I've got to go for a walk. I need some space.

530
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 4: Everyone gets hurt feelings. But if I'm like this boy.

531
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: Is coming, then everyone understands. Everyone would rather you go

532
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: and have sex with the stranger than go and walk peacefully.

533
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, doing it to protect their feelings feeling.

534
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: Because the person you tell the guy like this, I'm

535
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 3: not really interested in you. I just wanted to get

536
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 3: away from family for a while.

537
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 4: We just like, you know, we make that supposed to

538
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 4: be quick because a grinds hook that we want to

539
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 4: go home, and I'm like, please.

540
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: Don't need you don't know who I have to go

541
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 2: back to? Nothing left to say to these people, So,

542
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: what are the what are these finishes that we're talking about?

543
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 4: This one that I see in every I want.

544
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 2: I haven't been on grind before. I've had a look

545
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: at Button Bush and Tommy's, but I've never actually they put

546
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: on their their fetishes.

547
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 4: Well, so you grinder is it's an appet it's a

548
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 4: dating app, but it lists people according to how far

549
00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 4: away they are, because.

550
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: That's I already disability.

551
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 4: It's a little bit less, we're not.

552
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: It's a public toilet. I don't care about it.

553
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 4: It's the first priority, and then you can put anything

554
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 4: you want on the profile.

555
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: Right.

556
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 4: So, and there's always like an a regional town, there's

557
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: just always somebody who has like a really specific fetish

558
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 4: that like wants you to like blow up a balloon

559
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 4: until it pumps and they've posted or they want to

560
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 4: wear like a diaper and have someone change their nappy.

561
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 4: And I just always think, like, that's fine, that's what

562
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 4: you want to do, and you're on the right app,

563
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 4: like that's that's okay, But you can't be doing that

564
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 4: if you live in the country. You've got to move

565
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 4: to a city. Like that's because I'm like, it's It's

566
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 4: hard enough to find someone that you like, that's attractive,

567
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 4: that likes you, that wants to make out with you,

568
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 4: and then you build a life in once you factor

569
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 4: in the requirement that they want to change a diaper

570
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 4: or even know how to change a diaper. Even if

571
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 4: I wanted to, I wouldn't be able to help this

572
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 4: guy out. I don't have to watch a YouTube video.

573
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't have kids, so that I just

574
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 4: I just always see them when I'm in rural Australia.

575
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 4: I just feel so sad for them.

576
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 2: I think they really hectic.

577
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 4: It must be once once every three years someone comes along.

578
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: It's really hectic. Yeah, you're right, there's a lots taken

579
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: in there.

580
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: But how was changing the diaper when you did?

581
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 4: Finally, I didn't do it?

582
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 3: Is it? Is it breaking codes to go on grinder?

583
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 2: Now?

584
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 4: Oh well, it's not codes or codes I don't.

585
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 3: Know there are radio codes that breaking the code. I

586
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 3: was not saying the first first one that pops up.

587
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 4: It's not like generally it's just told us of people

588
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 4: like it's just face pictures of the cute boys. I mean,

589
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 4: like it's not usually that crass and.

590
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: These are they sorted. I think I know that guy.

591
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: It's almost guarantee. So can you sort according to location

592
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: right now?

593
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 4: So that's according to locations.

594
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 2: The first one, the guy in the wife front's there.

595
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, wow, is he close?

596
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: They don't have their distance turned on, but I can

597
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 4: tell you by going to the next are we having fun?

598
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: I am having This person is.

599
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 4: Eighty seven meters away, and then the three people that

600
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 4: we just saw before that within eighty seven meters, So like,

601
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 4: definitely there's like this.

602
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: Point it does have their distance on, and then accordingly

603
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: the pres within that radius.

604
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think there's a really good chance. At

605
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 4: this point they were all looking at the picture of

606
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 4: him might be having.

607
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 2: A Josh take it to Josh's show. Let's tidy up

608
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 2: there available, Josh Thomas.

609
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: This israph is it usually this right? This is difference

610
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 4: when I did Christys one show.

611
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: I asked someone to call from Ecuador. Yeah, that's traditional

612
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: Ecuadorian music. Okay, you know where Ecuador is?

613
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: No I don't.

614
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: You don't try it? No, Gilli, great, come on, it's

615
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: in the from here, it's in the it's in the

616
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: name near the equator.

617
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, on the.

618
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: Very good give me a continent. Give me a continent Africa. Nope, okay,

619
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: well let's just leave it there where it's north.

620
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: It's north, it's near the Ecuador, I mean the Equator.

621
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 3: I think I've done enough.

622
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: What continent?

623
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

624
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: I think it's a best of seven.

625
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: Come on, okay, Ecuador is it's in. It's in Europe,

626
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: your joke.

627
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: It Europe is nowhere near.

628
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: It's a Pacific island country. It's a and as well

629
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: as nadget is it? It's all I'm not good at

630
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: this stuff, mate, I'm googling.

631
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: No, we're no, no, embarrassed. One more continent you haven't mentioned.

632
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: Don't google.

633
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: It's not Africa, mate, I'm thinking of Equatorial Guinea.

634
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: That's Ecuador. Have you touched an Ecuador? That? Okay? Equator?

635
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: And I was like, give me Spanish? South America, Jesus Christ,

636
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: is it really?

637
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Southern mountains actually South America. Anyway, There's been a

638
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: study today that has been released, and I said before,

639
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: could people from Ecuador call because apparently they have the

640
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: best of the things in this study. Simultaneously, I also

641
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: people ask people to call from Cambodia. According to this study,

642
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: they are lacking the most in this is it mountains

643
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: not mountains.

644
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 3: There's a lot of pictures of mountains.

645
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: Equator. I think there might be there's some mountainous country

646
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: in Cambodia. But look, do you want me to tell you,

647
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: because I'm going to tell you. I might tell you

648
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: through Brendan. Okay, Brendan, you're you're not Ecuadorian, but your

649
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: brother in law is. Yes, my sister Mel married Edward Balerizo.

650
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: Uh well, first generation Australian.

651
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: But they by OSSI or we call.

652
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: Them Ossie's okay, but he's ecuador He's got equator in

653
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: his blood. Yeah, okay, great. Did you hear what the

654
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: study was about. I did hear something about it. I

655
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: think bananas are the best.

656
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 4: Of the world.

657
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: Yes, bananas. Bananas are the best.

658
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 3: Of Cambodia not have good bananas.

659
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: I think Camberrie've got pretty good banana. So I think

660
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: that that might be wrong because I feel like they

661
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: both probably mate bananas. I wouldn't consider one of the least,

662
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: you know, the worst of something in the world the

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Speaker 2: best nothing in the world. But the news is the

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Speaker 2: study was people of Cambodia have the smallest erect penis

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Speaker 2: of any country in the world, coming in at four

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Speaker 2: inches ten centimeters, and the males have the The males

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Speaker 2: in Ecuador have the largest erect penises in the world,

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Speaker 2: according to the study, coming in at seven inches seventeen

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Speaker 2: zero point six centimeters.

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Speaker 3: Let's how's that fortunate?

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Speaker 2: Because they are bananas are known for things.

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Speaker 7: Somewhat larger, big bananas, well, camboddy and bananas.

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Speaker 3: They would not be comparable, would they, No?

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Speaker 2: Apparently not.

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Speaker 1: Did you say your sister sorry, No, da got uncomfortable,

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Speaker 1: didn't it. We obviously didn't want to speak to someone

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Speaker 1: who was effectively.

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Speaker 3: Sleeping with an ECUADORI and I think it would have

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Speaker 3: been better to.

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Speaker 2: Speak to Jeosh. Thomas is right up next that I meant,

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Speaker 2: I know one hundred. That's why he went for the banana.

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Speaker 2: He went back to bananas, and I took him back there.