1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: How I work is having a little break over the 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Best of season, so I have handpicked a few of 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: my absolute favorite episodes from the last year to play 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: for you in this best of series. I hope you 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: enjoy and I will be back with new episodes twice 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: weekly from January twenty nine. 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 2: That is why this concept of a scoreboard is so 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: important in your life, because if you have the right scoreboard, 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 2: then your actions will align around the right things. But 10 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: if you have a broken scoreboard, you will take the 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: wrong actions. 12 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: If you find yourself feeling like you never have the 13 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: time and energy for the things that are really important, 14 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: then this episode is for you. My guest today is 15 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: Sakil Bloom, the New York Times best selling author of 16 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: The Five Types of Wealth and managing partner of SRB Ventures. 17 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: There's no such thing as holding something in life. You 18 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: are either a buyer or you are a seller of 19 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: that thing, and. 20 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: It is really easy for relationships to be the first 21 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: thing that goes like. What are some practices that you 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: have found have served you, particularly in those really busy 23 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: and hectic times. 24 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: The number one practice I have is a rule, which. 25 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: Is I want to know Sachhel's number one rule for 26 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: strengthening social connections. Find out in this episode Welcome to 27 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: How I Work, a show about habits, rituals, and strategies 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: for optimizing your day. I'm your host, Doctor Amantha Imbo. 29 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: I want to start by talking about the concept of 30 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: a broken scoreboard. Can you tell me what does this mean? 31 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: This is the idea that what you measure in life 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: really matters. We don't often think about how much impact 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: the things that we are measuring have on our acts 34 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 2: on a day to day basis. But you don't have 35 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: to look very far to realize that impact. You know, 36 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: think about the person that puts on like a sleep 37 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: tracker ring or one of those wristbands, and then all 38 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: of a sudden, they're like the most annoying sleep person 39 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 2: in the world. They're like, Oh, I can't go out 40 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: because I need to optimize this. My sleep score will 41 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: be screwed up. All of these things suddenly your actions 42 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: start falling in line with the thing that you were measuring. 43 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: Peter Drucker, this famous management theorist, said, what gets measured 44 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: gets managed. That's the idea that the thing that you 45 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: can measure becomes the thing that you optimize around. It's 46 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: the thing that you sort of myopically hone in on. 47 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: That is why this concept of a scoreboard is so 48 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: important in your life, because if you have the right scoreboard, 49 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: then your actions will align around the right things. But 50 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: if you have a broken scoreboard, which I'll argue we do, 51 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: you will take the wrong actions. And that was really 52 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: the realization that sparked this entire journey for me, was 53 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: the idea that we were only measuring one thing to 54 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: sort of sum up our life and our worth, and 55 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: that was money. 56 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: It reminds me of a time this is a few 57 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: years back where I was at a conference in Vancouver 58 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: and I met a really senior executive from Google and 59 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: he was telling me about him and his family. Obviously, 60 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: they have okas at work at Google and they're famous 61 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: for it, but he said he took it into his 62 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: personal life and every quarter him and his wife sat 63 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: down and they set personal OKRs. What is your process 64 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: for setting the right metrics in your life and with 65 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: your family. 66 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: I think it all starts with figuring out what your 67 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: priorities actually are. I would say that that is the 68 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: first biggest picture exercise that people need to think about. 69 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: Very few people really take the time to think about 70 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: what is the life you actually want to build. So 71 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: the question that I like to ask myself, which I 72 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: think everyone should ask, is to sit down and say, 73 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: if a third party were to come in and observe 74 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: my actions for a week, they were to come in 75 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: and just watch me for a week, what would they 76 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: say my priorities are? And the recognition there is that 77 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: there is a big gap between what you would say 78 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: your priorities are and what your actions show your priorities are. 79 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: How often do you personally reflect on that, like in 80 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: the last year, because it's always interesting, Like I don't know, 81 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: when you write about concepts and some of them just 82 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: kind of seep in and they become you, but some 83 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: of them you still have to deliberately realign. So I'm curious, 84 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 1: how does it work for you Right now? 85 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 2: I do something I call a think day about once 86 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: a month. But think day is the idea of carving 87 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: out one to two hours once a month to go 88 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: to a new, new open space, a coffee shop outside, 89 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 2: et cetera. Bring a journal, bring a pen, and just 90 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: think on some of these bigger picture questions of your life, 91 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 2: reflect on them, allow yourself the space to see the 92 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: bigger picture, and then to make course corrections along the way. 93 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: I find that every single time I do it, there's 94 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: somewhere that I've gotten a little bit off kilter, fallen 95 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: a little off course. And the truth is that those 96 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: tiny course corrections are very impactful in the long run. 97 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: There's this concept in aviation, the one in sixty rule 98 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: that for every one degree error in heading, a plane 99 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: will miss its eventual target by a mile for every 100 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: sixty miles flown. So the idea is that small deviations 101 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: and course are amplified by distance and time. Your life 102 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: is no different when when you are slightly off course, 103 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: it is going to have a big impact over five, ten, 104 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: fifteen years. So making yourself have a ritual or a 105 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 2: habit to create the space and to identify these course 106 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: corrections that need to happen so that you can execute 107 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: on them, that's been really impactful in my life. 108 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 1: I was reading on your LinkedIn fate that you actually 109 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: went on a think week, if I'm correct, and came 110 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: back from that like quite recently, how do you stretch 111 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: a think week as distinct from a think day? 112 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 2: Technically it was three days, but I'm calling it a 113 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: think week because it was most of a working week. 114 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: The idea was for it to be as unstructured as possible. 115 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: I personally think the whole point is to create enough 116 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: space that you are sort of able to think differently 117 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: and more broadly, the way that we did it I 118 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: did it with my business partner was that we each 119 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: proposed sort of a set of reflection questions, big picture 120 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: questions that we wanted to think on, and the idea 121 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: was that we would pose a question. We kind of 122 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 2: have a session set up, say like a couple hour block, 123 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: and we would just go out into some open space, 124 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: bring a notebook, and we would pose the question, and 125 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 2: then we would each spend however long hour two hours 126 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: thinking and journaling on it. Then we would come together 127 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: for some sort of meal and sort of talk through 128 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: reflect on pressure test what those insights were that we 129 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: had as we were writing. 130 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: Could you share examples of some of the questions that 131 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: you praised. 132 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the biggest ones for me is what 133 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: did I know for sure that just wasn't? So there 134 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: are these things that we automatically assume are correct, that 135 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 2: we've been told our entire life, Like we know for 136 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: sure that those things are so, and in reality they 137 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: are not. And making sure that you recognize those in 138 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: real time and that you're able to change your mind 139 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: on those things is really important. It's also very uncomfortable, 140 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: so most people don't do it because it requires you 141 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: sort of breaking down your own ego and your own 142 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: correctness in favor of finding the truth. All of this 143 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: is sort of about a long term truth seeking operation 144 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: that you are trying to get closer and closer to 145 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: the truth and your relationships and your work and your 146 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: personal life in all of these areas. So that one 147 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: I found to be really impactful because for me it's 148 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: sort of identified. I mean, one really major insight about 149 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: how I've been operating and working that I think if 150 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: I had continued to perpetuate and repeat, would have really 151 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: held me back and would have harmed my life in 152 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: a number of different ways. 153 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm curious, So you are able to share what 154 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: that was if it's not too personal. 155 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: No, it's not too personal. I had, for the longest 156 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: time had the belief that my path to building something 157 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: really interesting, engaging and big from a business standpoint around 158 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: this platform that I've created in these ideas was to 159 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 2: take a lot of different sort of swings and a 160 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: lot of different bets that wereround in the world and 161 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: have sort of like a small amount of energy deployed 162 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: across a bunch of different things that sort of a 163 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: venture capital portfolio, if you will, for those in the 164 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: investing world, and that a couple of those would work 165 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: out to an enormous extent, most of them might not, 166 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: or they would be small, and that would lead to 167 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: a good overall outcome across the portfolio. What I found 168 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: and what I confronted was just this idea that actually, 169 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: when it comes to my energy and my attention, that 170 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 2: was harming more than it helped, because being scattered across 171 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: one hundred things just meant that I was going to 172 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: do none of them well and make myself miserable in 173 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 2: the process. And so it precipitated a pretty radical simplification 174 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: of my entire business and life ecosystem. I will be 175 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: going into much more of a season of no, if 176 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: you will, when it comes to taking things on and 177 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: really trimming the things that I am sort of actively 178 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: engaged in and involved in. 179 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: Accordingly, how do you make decisions then, with this new 180 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: perspective around firstly, what to drop that you're currently committed to, 181 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: and then what will you say no to that you'd 182 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: previously said yes to. 183 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: I have a couple of different ways I think about this. 184 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 2: So the first one is, if you are currently doing something, 185 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: you have to look at it as either I am 186 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: a buyer of this thing I e. I'm going to 187 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: continue doing it. I think it makes sense to continue 188 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: doing and investing my time, energy and attention in which 189 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: are your most precious assets. Or I'm a seller of it, 190 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: meaning I would not buy this right now based on 191 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: what my current ecosystem is, so I don't think it 192 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: should continue to exist. I'm a seller of it. That 193 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you can immediately exit it, but it 194 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: means that you should start thinking about are there ways 195 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 2: to exit whatever this situation is. The second thing I 196 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 2: would say is I have a test. I talk about 197 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 2: this in the book. I call it my New Opportunity test, 198 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: and it is a really useful heuristic or razor if 199 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 2: you will, for looking at new opportunities and very quickly 200 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 2: deciding whether it's one that makes sense. And it is 201 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: basically to say, if I assume that to this thing, 202 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: whatever it is, is going to take twice as long 203 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: and be half as rewarding or profitable as I currently 204 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: think would I still want to go do it. The 205 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: reason that's such a useful heuristic is because we tend 206 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: to be overly optimistic at the outset of something new. 207 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 2: We get the shiny object syndrome. There's a new opportunity. 208 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: It's sitting off here. You're like, Wow, it's going to 209 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 2: be so great. I'm gonna make all this money, or 210 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: it's going to be so enriching, so rewarding in all 211 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: these ways, and we get into too many things because 212 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: of that optimism. Podcasting is a great example. There are 213 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: a lot of people who love the idea of having 214 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: the winning version of a podcast. They're like, Oh, I 215 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: love the idea of having a big podcast. Everyone listens 216 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: to me. I get great guests, I have all these 217 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: cool conversations, I get to travel. It's such a great thing, 218 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 2: the winning version. And they asked that question themselves and 219 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: they say, yeah, hell, yes, I want the winning version 220 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: of this thing. But very few people are willing to 221 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: do the losing version for as long as is necessary 222 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 2: to get to the winning version. It's years for most people, 223 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 2: grinding through the mud, crawling like hard conversations, you know, navigating, booking, 224 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: all of the research, all of the challenging aspects. So 225 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: if you are willing to do the losing version long 226 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: enough to earn the winning version, it tends to be 227 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: a great thing to then go take on. 228 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: I love that as a perspective. Something that you recently 229 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: posted and I was writing it on LinkedIn. I think 230 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: this is from a couple of days ago. You said 231 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: that you're optimistically pessimistic about AI and found that curious, 232 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: Like as someone that invests in AI companies and I 233 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: imagine is using it a lot in your work life, 234 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: tell me what you mean by that. 235 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 2: I actually, you know this is funny. I think optimistically 236 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: pessimistic was the nicest way that I could possibly have 237 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: said that. If I'm being completely honest with you, I 238 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: am mildly terrified of what the future looks like. Yeah, 239 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 2: I have a young son. I have a three year old, 240 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: so a lot of things that I think about the 241 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: future are viewed through the lens of what his future 242 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: is going to look like. And I have some pretty 243 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: serious concerns about what that future looks like. Given what 244 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 2: I'm starting to see, I do not believe that anyone 245 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: has the incentive to think humanity wide about the implications 246 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: of the technology that we are building. I see companies 247 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 2: that have the incentive to go as fast as possible 248 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: to generate the most profit, to get the biggest releases 249 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: so that they can maximize profits. I see countries that 250 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: have the incentive to go as fast as possible so 251 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: that their geopolitical foe does not get the thing before them. 252 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: Everyone is going to rush, rush, rushrush, rush, without ever 253 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: thinking about what happens if the genie gets out of 254 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 2: the bottle, and humans are notoriously bad at acting early 255 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: enough to get out in front of exponential growth, whether 256 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: it's with a pandemic or whether it's with technological expansion 257 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: and growth. The other piece that's concerning to me is 258 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: the idea of enormous job displacement that is simultaneously paired 259 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 2: with a booming stock market. I can see a world 260 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 2: where you have twenty to thirty percent unemployment of knowledge 261 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: workers and a stock market that has never been higher 262 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: because that unemployment has come in line with enormous efficiencies 263 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: that have bolstered profits to an extraordinary extent. And I 264 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: think that the unrest and upheaar that comes from a 265 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: world where they're rich are so massively richer because they're 266 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: invested in equities, and sort of the middle class and 267 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: lower income folks are all unemployed. Is a really scary prospect. 268 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: I would love to also understand, like how you think 269 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: about it on more of a micro day to day level, 270 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: and where are the ways that you're currently using and 271 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: experimenting with it in your own workflows to augment your 272 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: own work and thinking. 273 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: I do my own writing mainly because I love writing, 274 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: and writing is how I think. Clearly. If I did 275 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: not write these things myself, I would never be able 276 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: to articulate them or have conversations about them, which is 277 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: why I value writing so much. I will use AI 278 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: as a brainstorming partner, as like a thought collector, as 279 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: like a research assistant in a variety of cases. You know, 280 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: I'm currently working on seeing if I can build like 281 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: a sort of like a proper like book research assistant 282 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: effectively works twenty four to seven to kind of source 283 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: and find me interesting things that I can incorporate into 284 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 2: my next book. And the technology sort of exists that 285 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: you're starting to get close to that world. My dad 286 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: jokes about this. He spent his whole career as a researcher. 287 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: He's an academic professor. How much time he spent like 288 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: in libraries looking at old texts and research and then 289 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: you know how much time he's spent paying research associates 290 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: in people insistence to dig up all of these studies 291 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: and all the sources. And now it can all be done, 292 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: you know, like effectively, instantaneously, and so again, thinking through 293 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: implications of all that is interesting. I think in the 294 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: short term it allows for, you know, kind of a 295 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: lowering of you know, the prerequisites necessary to create and 296 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: share ideas that are a world positive. 297 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny what you say about writing. I can 298 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: definitely relate to that as a writer that needs to 299 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: use their writing to work out their thinking. And I 300 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: was having a conversation with a friend of mine yesterday 301 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: who's he's a writer as well, is written many books, 302 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: mostly through Harvard, and he was saying, for the first 303 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: time in his book contract there was a clause that 304 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: said you can't use AI to create any content in 305 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: this book. More from a copyright point of view, is 306 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: a writing quality point of view, but I find that 307 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: quite intriguing. I would love to know when you're writing 308 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: because you're so prolific online with your newsletter and social media, Like, 309 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: what's your process or what rituals do you have in 310 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: place around how you do that? Because it doesn't seem 311 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: like it's scattergun and just waiting for that spark to 312 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: hit you. 313 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 2: I don't have a schedule of stuff that's scheduled to 314 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: go out for the next week. When you see me 315 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: post on LinkedIn, ninety nine percent of the time, I 316 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: wrote it right then and then posted it. And that's 317 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 2: just part of how I work. I have a really 318 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: tough time thinking foreign advance on anything creative. I like 319 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: to write about things that kind of sparked my interest, 320 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: like the Think Week. I wrote a newsletter on that 321 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: because I was flying home from the Think Week and 322 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, I need to write down all 323 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: these insights colections that I had. So what I think 324 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 2: about from a structure standpoint is a little bit different 325 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 2: than how most people think about creating content or creating 326 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 2: sharing ideas. Most people think that that is about creation. 327 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 2: I view creation as one of say four steps that 328 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 2: are really in this process. The first step is consumption. 329 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: It is to say that you actually need to consume 330 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: at the top of funnel interesting ideas and sort of 331 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: immerse your brain and interesting ideas through things you read, 332 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: listen to conversations you have, et cetera. I am structured 333 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: about that. I make sure that every single day I'm 334 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 2: reading for at least an hour. I read thirty minutes 335 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 2: first thing in the morning when I wake up, and 336 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 2: then I read thirty minutes in the evening later in 337 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 2: the day and the sauna or just sort of quiet 338 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: reading time. Read anything. I mean, I read everything from 339 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: like physics books to books about history and geography, to 340 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 2: just anything that's kind of sparking my interest. So that's 341 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: sort of the consumption piece. The second piece is about ideation. 342 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 2: This is really about the idea of like, I need 343 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: to make sure that I have time to think, because 344 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: that is when the ideas are kind of intermingling, connecting, 345 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 2: sparking these new ways of thinking about them. Sometimes the 346 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 2: ideation is individual on a walk. Sometimes it's a conversation 347 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 2: trying to bat things around with someone. But again, I 348 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: am structured about that. I have time during my day 349 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: when I am just thinking, you know, when I'm like 350 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 2: going out on a walk, just stewing on these ideas. 351 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: Then comes the creation process of being able to sit 352 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: down and really think about turning those ideas into something 353 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: that I can put out into the world. And then 354 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: the final piece is sort of thinking about amplification. It's like, 355 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 2: where all does this go out? Generally speaking, I think 356 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: about writing a newsletter, and then we think about taking 357 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 2: it from the newsletter and how it goes out across 358 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: different mediums in video or written format. But it sort 359 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 2: of depends on the on the given situation. 360 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: Something I heard you did and I think I heard 361 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: it in a YouTube video and I'm not sure if 362 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: it's in the five Types of wealth. But you talked 363 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: about when you were growing on Twitter or x several 364 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: years ago that you formed the think it was called 365 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: the one hundred K Club. Can you tell me about that. 366 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, So when I was just starting to write 367 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 2: on Twitter, this is May of twenty twenty. I first 368 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 2: started writing there, I was starting to have some traction. 369 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: I was writing about business and markets and finance. I 370 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 2: was still working in my full time day job as 371 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 2: an investor, and maybe late twenty twenty, there was like 372 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: a small group of people across sort of like technology investing, 373 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: entrepreneurship that we kind of become friendly with from just 374 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 2: you know, interacting on Twitter, and I got a message 375 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 2: from one of them saying, hey, like, go to make 376 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: a group chat where we can kind of like share 377 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: what's working, what's not, support each other, you know, just 378 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: like generally people that are trying to grow their platform 379 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: on Twitter and we can share ideas. So I said, cool. 380 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 2: We ended up forming it. That was late twenty twenty, 381 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: and it ended up becoming an enormous, you know, sort 382 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: of like force multiplier on all of our efforts and 383 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,239 Speaker 2: our ability to grow and reach more people. And all 384 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 2: of those people have now grown their platforms but also 385 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: just like their businesses in a variety of different ways. 386 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 2: And we all still have the group chat. It is 387 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 2: still active, it's still there, we still interact in there, 388 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 2: not about the same stuff that we did in the 389 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: early on days. But it has been a really cool 390 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: thing and a great lesson that having a community of 391 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 2: people who are sort of in the trenches with you 392 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: on these journeys can be really impactful. 393 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 1: Well, some of the tactics that came out of that group, 394 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: I guess in its first year of existence that really 395 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: shifted the needle for you. 396 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 2: It was very focused on sort of the nitty gritty, 397 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: so you know, one of the big ones was like 398 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: how to craft a kind of hook to a tweet 399 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: that was most likely to grab people and drive the 400 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: highest number of like clickthroughs and impressions. There was a 401 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 2: lot of how to convert people to subscribe to your newsletter. 402 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: At the end of these kind of longer form Twitter posts, 403 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 2: the types of content that were really getting shared, you know, 404 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: whether like visuals versus no visuals, the sort of like 405 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: pillars and archetypes of the types of content. It was 406 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: pretty nitty gritty in terms of the things that people 407 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 2: were focused on. Because these were like real business operators 408 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: or investors that liked to get in the weeds. It 409 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: wasn't just like, oh, good job, you know, pat each 410 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: other on the back type thing. It was very much 411 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: like sharing best practices. Everyone was kind of in their 412 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: own domain, so no one was competitive with one another, 413 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: at least not beyond a friendly level. It was really 414 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 2: really useful. 415 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: We will be back with Sahil soon and when we 416 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: come back, we'll discuss how you can use social wealth 417 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: to vastly improve your life and his number one rule 418 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: for strengthening social connections. If you're looking for more tips 419 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: to improve the way you work can live. I write 420 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: a short weekly newsletter that contains tactics I've discovered that 421 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: have helped me personally. You can sign up for that 422 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: at Amantha dot com. That's Amantha dot com. I love 423 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: the sound of it. I would love to talk about 424 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: social wealth, which was one of the five types of 425 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: wealth that you talk about in your book, Like I 426 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: would love to know first what's the biggest mistake that 427 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: you see people making when it comes to social wealth, 428 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: and perhaps maybe we need to define it in case 429 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: that is not obvious, what it means to be socially wealthy. 430 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: Let's start there. 431 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, social wealth is just about your relationships. It's about 432 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 2: a recognition of relationships as an asset that compounds over 433 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: the long run if you invest in those things. And 434 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: that ties to the most common mistake that I see, 435 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 2: which is thinking that relationships are just a static entity 436 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 2: and not something that compounds, and not something that will 437 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: pay the greatest returns and dividends in life. The reality, 438 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: in the science and in our own anecdotal experience is 439 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 2: that relationships are the single greatest predictor of a happy, healthy, life. 440 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: The strength of your relationships determines those outcomes, and yet 441 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 2: they tend to be the first thing that fall by 442 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 2: the wayside when we get busy. You know, you get 443 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 2: busy in life, and you stop texting the friends, you 444 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 2: stop calling your mom, you don't get that old group 445 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: of buddies together for the annual trip. All of those 446 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: things start to fall, when in reality, those are the 447 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: things that are going to contribute to the great life 448 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 2: that you are trying to build. And so recognizing that 449 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 2: and realizing that really anything above zero compounds. A tiny 450 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: action done for a friend or a family member is 451 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 2: something that is going to compound and stack over the 452 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: long run. Showing up for these people during their time 453 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: of need, showing up when it's not easy. These people 454 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: will be there for you when your life is in 455 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: a tough spot. 456 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 1: How do you I guess action the principles around social 457 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 1: wealth when I imagine and particularly like with the insight 458 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: that you shared around you had taken on a lot, 459 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: a lot of different things that perhaps you are now 460 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: going to draw and I just know, you know what 461 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: it's like being incredibly busy, and it is really easy 462 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: for relationships to be the first thing that goes like, 463 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: what are some practices that you have found have served you, 464 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: particularly in those really busy and hectic times. 465 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 2: The number one practice I have is a rule, which is, 466 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 2: when you think something nice about someone, let them know 467 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: right then. I am very good about that. I'm not 468 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: great about replying to text messages or emails really promptly 469 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 2: because I'm overloaded most of the time, but I'm very 470 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: good about sending someone a message when I think something 471 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 2: nice about them, And that has a powerful effect of 472 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: keeping you in touch with people, of creating this level 473 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 2: of connection with people over long, long periods of time. 474 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 2: I have friends and people that I don't see very 475 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: often at all anymore, but we still I feel really connected. 476 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 2: Your one little hack is I have an iPhone. I 477 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: don't know if anyone else does, but on the iPhone 478 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: there's this like for you, sort of like photo memories feature, 479 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: And once a week or so, I'll go to that 480 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 2: photo memories thing and I'll send the picture to people 481 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: that are in it, so it'll prompt you know, some 482 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: sort of memory from your life with friends, and if 483 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: you just send it to them and say, you know, hey, great, 484 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: like this was great times, fun time, whatever, it sparks 485 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,239 Speaker 2: a tiny little interaction with the person. You don't need 486 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: to spend thirty minutes catching up with them, but it 487 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: sparks a little interaction that just lets them know that 488 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: you were thinking about them, And that goes a long 489 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 2: way over long periods of time. 490 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: When you like when you say, you know, when you 491 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: think something nice about someone, you will communicate that, Like 492 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: what's your go to? Like, you know, if we were friends, 493 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: would I just like get an email out of the 494 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: blue from you? What I get a voice memory? 495 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 2: Like? 496 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: What does that look like? 497 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: In practice, generally a text out of a blue yeah 498 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: I'm not a great email or sometimes voice note if 499 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 2: I'm driving or something like that, but generally speaking, a 500 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 2: text just saying like, hey was thinking about you. Hope 501 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 2: you're doing great, or saw this thought of you, Hope 502 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 2: you're thriving. Something tiny like that. Not trying to force 503 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 2: a catch up or a conversation, because oftentimes too then 504 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: you like put a burden on the other person if 505 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 2: they're busy, they feel bad. It can just be super simple. 506 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 2: I think it goes a long way. 507 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: Tell me about the life dinner concept and how that works. 508 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: The life dinner is an idea that I first came 509 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: across from an entrepreneur named Brad Feld who sort of 510 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 2: recognized that when life starts to get chaotic and busy, 511 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 2: there are a lot of things that start to naturally 512 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 2: slip in a romantic partnership. Importantly, things like bigger picture 513 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 2: catch ups about your vision for a relationship, for what 514 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: your goals are, for the things that you're striving towards. 515 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 2: And this life Dinner is an idea of creating a 516 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 2: monthly date that is dedicated to those things. Its entire 517 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 2: purpose is to catch up and talk about those bigger 518 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 2: picture opportunities, goals, stresses, visions, etc. That the two of 519 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 2: you have, both individually and for your command for your relationship. 520 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 2: My wife and I have done this since our son 521 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: was born, which is now three years in May twenty 522 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: twenty two, and it has been an incredible ritual for 523 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 2: keeping us connected when life got more chaotic than ever. 524 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 2: There's the pushback that people like to have with this, 525 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 2: which is like, you shouldn't have to do that, You 526 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: should be talking every day, But once you have a 527 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: kid and life starts to get a little chaotic, they're 528 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: not sleeping a lot. You both have so many things 529 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 2: going on that it can be hard to find the 530 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 2: time to talk about, what are our finances, what are 531 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 2: the business things I'm excited about, what are the things 532 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: you're excited about, what are the big picture goals we 533 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 2: have for the next three years. And creating a monthly 534 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 2: date dedicated to that makes sure that there is that 535 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 2: touch point and does it in a fun way that 536 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: doesn't make it feel like a chore. 537 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: I could really relate to that when I read that 538 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: in your book. Something that my husband and I do, 539 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: we call it a relationship check in. I think that's 540 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: our latest language around it. And we've got like we've 541 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: got to set agenda of questions that we go through, 542 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: and I think it's so important to carve out time 543 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: to actually reflect on what has the last month actually 544 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: been like when we sit and you know, be present 545 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: about it, and then you know again looking to the 546 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: future and going, well, what are we trying to create 547 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: here and are we on track? So I've got to 548 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: say it's been very powerful for us as well. 549 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree. I love that you do that too. 550 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 2: That's great. 551 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: I would love to know, Like I mean, there are 552 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: so many different tactics that you talk about in the 553 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: five Types of Wealth. And something I'm always curious about 554 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: with authors that do write books that are you know, 555 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 1: full of different strategies, is for you personally now, and 556 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: I imagine it's probably been like a good twelve month 557 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: since you've submitted the manuscript, you know, before it was 558 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: released into the world. Like, what are maybe the sort 559 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: of the two or three rituals or habits or strategies 560 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: that right now like just a serving you best, and 561 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: they're things that maybe have an inordinate amount of impact 562 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: considering the time investment. 563 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: The one to one to one method that I write 564 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 2: about in the mental wealth section is probably the one 565 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: thing that kept me sane during this entire crazy period 566 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 2: of my life and book launch. I had always wanted 567 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: to be a journaler in my whole life. I always 568 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: had these grand aspirations of what journaling looked like, that 569 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: I'd sit down for thirty minutes in like a candlelit 570 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 2: room and write beautiful prose for thirty minutes. And life 571 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: always has different plans, And so what would happen was 572 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: January first, I would try to make a journaling habit. 573 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 2: By like January fifth, I would have broken it, and 574 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: it wouldn't happen. So I created this idea of a 575 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 2: one to one one method as my solution to try 576 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: to build a journaling muscle. An idea was in the evening, 577 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 2: before going to bed, I would take a blank sheet 578 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 2: of paper like this, and I would just write down 579 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 2: one win from the day, something that I felt good about, 580 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 2: one point of stress, tension or anxiety, something that I 581 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: want to get off my brain and onto the paper, 582 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 2: and then one point of gratitude. Takes two to three minutes, 583 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 2: maybe five minutes max if you're being really reflective, and 584 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: it creates an immediate feeling of calm at the end 585 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 2: of the day. And as someone who often struggled to 586 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 2: go to sleep when I feel that kind of anxiety 587 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: build and tension, it has been an enormous life improvement, 588 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 2: and so in particular during these times of life that 589 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 2: feel somewhat unbalanced, when you're really sprinting on something. It 590 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: was one simple two to three minute ritual that didn't 591 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 2: add you know, time or craziness to my life, that 592 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 2: just allowed me to reset at the end of every day, 593 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,959 Speaker 2: you know, really operate from a place of strength. 594 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: I'd love to know anything else that comes to mind, 595 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: like in terms of those daily or weekly things that 596 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: have just had an enormous impact and continue to. 597 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 2: I grown myself a lot in the physical I write 598 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 2: about physical wealth in the book obviously, but physical rituals 599 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: for me have a big impact because they dictate how 600 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: I feel I show up in the world. I think 601 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 2: that physical wealth has ripple effects into every other area 602 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: of life. It is a catalyst in terms of how 603 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 2: you look at yourself in the mirror, how you feel 604 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: about yourself. You feel like a winner. You start operating 605 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 2: like a winner in your relationships and your work in 606 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 2: your life. So I have always found that during stressful 607 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 2: periods of time like the one I've been going through, 608 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 2: making sure that I can handle these kind of like 609 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 2: daily non negotiables when it comes to my physical health 610 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: have been really impactful. And so for me, you know, 611 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: that's trying to make sure that I sleep, you know, 612 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: seven hours a night, sometimes at six, but try to 613 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 2: get seven hours of sleep a night, making sure I'm 614 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 2: moving for thirty minutes a day, no matter what. That 615 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: could be a walk, but it has to be something 616 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 2: I have to move for thirty minutes a day. And 617 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: then from an eating standpoint, that I'm prioritizing protein and 618 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 2: having only really whole unprocessed foods, just like making sure 619 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 2: that I'm having kind of single ingredient whole unprocessed foods. 620 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 2: If I do those three things, I feel pretty good. 621 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: I'm keeping myself and check in line, and I feel 622 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 2: like that has ripple effects into how I show up 623 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 2: all across my life. 624 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: Something else I'm curious about is now that you know, 625 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: the book has been out in the world for several 626 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: months and you've done many interviews, and I'm sure I've 627 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: spoken to many readers, what are the two or three 628 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: concepts that have resonated most with readers, And I'm wondering, 629 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, if there's been any surprises there. 630 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: You know, the dimmer switch mentality really resonated with people, 631 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 2: and that was a bit surprising to me. I wasn't 632 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,959 Speaker 2: sure if that would really click. This is the idea that, 633 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: like your life, these different areas of life can exist 634 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 2: on dimmer switches. They don't need to be on off. 635 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: And so while you have one dimmer switch turned up, 636 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 2: you may be focusing on one area during this season 637 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: of your life, you can have the others turned down low. 638 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: They just can't be off and low is better than nothing. 639 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 2: Low was actually infinitely better than nothing because anything above 640 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: zero compounds. That idea has really been sticky with people, 641 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: and I see people actioning on that in a major way, 642 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 2: which is fun for me to see. Anti goals, I 643 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 2: would say, is the other one that has really jumped out. 644 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 2: You know, this is the idea of like you know, 645 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 2: goals are the summit of the mountain, the thing that 646 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: we all know we set goals at the beginning of 647 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: the year. Anti goals are the things that you don't 648 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 2: want to happen in your pursuit of those goals. So 649 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: my goal might be to become CEO of the company. 650 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 2: I want to go achieve that, but my anti goal 651 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 2: may be traveling three hundred nights out of the year, 652 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 2: or allowing my stress and health to deteriorate in pursuit 653 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 2: of the goal. I want to achieve the goal, but 654 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 2: not if it means having these anti goals become real. 655 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 2: They provide the really useful and helpful boundary and sort 656 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 2: of guardrails in your pursuit so that you can make 657 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 2: those course corrections on the journey to make sure that 658 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 2: you're not running a foul of these things that you 659 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 2: don't want to happen, so that you can ultimately win 660 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 2: the battle of achieving the goal, but also the much 661 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 2: bigger picture war of its impact on your whole life. 662 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: You seem like someone that is constantly experimenting with new 663 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: things and new ways of living and working. What is 664 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: something that you've recently been experimenting with in terms of 665 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 1: something that is helping you, like in work or life. 666 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 2: I recently started reading to start my morning for thirty minutes, 667 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 2: and I've really enjoyed that. I would say for the 668 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 2: longest time, I had kind of always thought about like 669 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 2: reading for purpose. It's sort of this separation between tellic 670 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 2: and atellic activities. You know. Teleic activity is an activity 671 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 2: done for a purpose, an atellic activity is an activity 672 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 2: just done for the sake of it, no real clear purpose. 673 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: And I sort of decided that I wanted to have 674 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 2: like thirty minutes of kind of atellic reading time to 675 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 2: start the day, to just like open my brain up 676 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: a little bit wake up in the morning, if you will, 677 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 2: and replace the time that I previously would like scroll 678 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 2: on my phone when I got up in the morning 679 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: with just read. And I have absolutely loved that. You know, 680 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 2: I like, we'll go downstairs, get my coffee, go and 681 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 2: sit in my office or stand here in my nice 682 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 2: spot and turn on some bright lights to help me 683 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 2: kind of wake up since I wake up really early, 684 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 2: and just have thirty minutes of quiet reading time. I 685 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 2: got this little time glass thing. I don't know if 686 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 2: you can see that. It's a fifteen minute time glass. 687 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 2: So I flip it over twice and I just kind 688 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 2: of like read whatever grabs me. And I have a 689 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,839 Speaker 2: bookshelf behind me that's got a bunch of books on it. 690 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 2: I don't like finish the book necessarily. I sort of 691 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 2: just try to grab whatever is grabbing me that morning, 692 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 2: and I'll just sit and read, and when it's not 693 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 2: grabbing me, I'll switch books. And it's really nice. It 694 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 2: feels liberating to read that way too, in a kind 695 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 2: of unique way. 696 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: I love that as someone who kind of like my 697 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: first reaction is wow, that sounds like, oh, that sounds 698 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: so indulgent, But it's not, like, what a brilliant way 699 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: to experiment with stating your day. I am going to 700 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 1: give that a shot. 701 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say it was indulgent if it wasn't 702 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 2: At four fifteen in the morning. You know, so like 703 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 2: it's hard to say anything is that indulgent? At four 704 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 2: fifteen in the morning, it feels luxurious, Like having my 705 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 2: cold brew coffee and sitting and reading. I'm like, ah, 706 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 2: this is really nice. Like sometimes I'm going to bed, 707 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 2: I feel more excited to wake up at four knowing 708 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 2: that I'm going to get to read something neat and 709 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 2: just kind of like start my day that way. 710 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: That's awesome. Well, Sakhil, I've so enjoyed this chat, and 711 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,280 Speaker 1: I so love everything you put out into the world. 712 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: So thank you for choosing to spend some of your 713 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: time wealth with me. 714 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for having me. It was 715 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 2: a real thrill. I hope you have a great day. 716 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed my chat with Saquiel. I know 717 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: that I am definitely going to be trying out that 718 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: morning reading strategy to see what results it might give me. Now, 719 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about Saquil, there are 720 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: links to his socials and website in the show notes, 721 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: and I highly recommend grabbing a copy of The Five 722 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: Types of Wealth. If you like today's show, make sure 723 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,760 Speaker 1: you get follow on your podcast app to be alerted 724 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: when new episodes drop. How I work was recorded on 725 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: the traditional land of the Warringery people, part of the 726 00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: Cooler Nation