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Speaker 1: Hello, it's me Art Simone. And aren't you one lucky

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Speaker 1: bugger to have your earholes growth by my dulcet tones.

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Speaker 1: But it gets even better because I am introducing you

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Speaker 1: to some very exciting and interesting people who theme a

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Speaker 1: little dull and bland on the surface. Trust me, it's

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Speaker 1: worth finding out what this person is concealing. Well, I guess,

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Speaker 1: I mean I actually don't know what it is. We're

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Speaker 1: going to find that bit out together. This is concealed

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Speaker 1: with Art Simone. Let's get into it. Roll the shape.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Peter.

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Speaker 3: I'm sixty six and live alone in Sydney. Everybody who

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Speaker 3: knows me to find me for how fast I drive?

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Speaker 2: Hello?

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Speaker 3: A very dry Marchini, Churchills and Vespers are my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Well, hello, Peter, how are you today? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Marvelous?

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Speaker 3: As always good to hear.

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Speaker 1: Now, all right, you've got your nice spectacles on? Are

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Speaker 1: they reading glasses?

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Speaker 3: They're multifolcure, Yes.

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Speaker 1: A bit of both. I have some of those when

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Speaker 1: I have to wear glasses, but for most of the

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Speaker 1: time I am a g amazon, so I wouldn't ever

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Speaker 1: be seen with a pair of glasses on. My lashes

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Speaker 1: wouldn't fit.

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Speaker 2: You could always go for contact.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's what's in at the moment. They're glued on.

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Speaker 1: See what your glasses. You're a nice warm jumper. Did

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Speaker 1: you knit that jumper yourself?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Nights in front of the fire. Oh yes, stoking.

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Speaker 2: It with coal.

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Speaker 1: What's the most flammable thing you've put in a fire before?

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Speaker 2: Probably petrol?

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Speaker 1: That is quite logical. Actually, all right, So you drive fast?

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Speaker 3: Others say that. I say I drive appropriate to the conditions.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, do you have a bit of a lead foot?

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Speaker 3: Some people have said that. In fact, almost everybody says that.

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Speaker 1: So you're right, not an uber driver? Then I don't

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Speaker 3: I'm very proud of the fact that I was sixty

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Speaker 3: five before I've ever lost my license for speeding.

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Speaker 1: Oops. That's right. You can play at home. You can

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Speaker 1: get Mario Karsh. That'd be good. Okay. So what I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be doing, Peter, is asking you three questions,

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Speaker 1: and from the answers to those three questions, I have

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Speaker 1: to try and work out what it is you are

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Speaker 1: concealing from me today. Are you ready?

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Speaker 2: I'm ready?

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Speaker 3: But there was so much I'm concealing from you.

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Speaker 1: Well, hopefully I get one of them. Right, but I'll

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Speaker 1: let you know now my track record is pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: So first question I have for you is where in

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Speaker 1: Australia would you never go to.

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Speaker 3: I try never to go north as the true driver.

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Speaker 1: North of the Tweed River. Okay, where's the Tweed River?

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Speaker 3: Like I see you had the same geography teacher with

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Speaker 3: my children.

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Speaker 1: I know the Yarra and I know the Murray. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I should take more road trips. I'm usually in the air.

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Speaker 1: I would like give me like a little set of headphones,

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Speaker 1: look out the window and they could be like, that's

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Speaker 1: That'll be good. North of the Tweed River. Okay, Well

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Speaker 1: Where is it? It's like up near Byron Bay.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, never north of the Tweed River. Not going

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Speaker 1: to Queensland. Question number two, What do you value most

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Speaker 2: Authenticity?

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Speaker 1: Authenticity? Okay? All right, So you don't like SpongeBob square

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Speaker 1: What about Bluie? Everyone loves blue at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Oh good? Okay, all right. And the final question I

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have a nickname that is tied to something

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Speaker 3: I made famous.

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Speaker 1: Nickname tied to something you made famous? Well, what's the nickname?

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Speaker 1: Give me the nickname?

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Speaker 2: Rabbit?

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Speaker 1: Rabbit? Okay, rabbit? Okay, all right, so let's recap. Okay,

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Speaker 1: is rabbit? Okay? You like a martini, and you like

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Speaker 1: not a nuber driver. Okay, all right, okay, authenticity. My

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Speaker 1: rabbit proof fencing. What are rabbit's good breeding? Bouncing, borrowing, burrowing?

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Speaker 1: All the bees? Three bees? Okay, I was really going

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Speaker 1: it's just nothing. Can I put in no answer.

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Speaker 2: I don't write the rules. You can do whatever you like.

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Speaker 2: It's your show.

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Speaker 1: Okay. For the first time in history, I'm tapping out.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying pass. I cannot join the dots today. I

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tap it out. It's a first. Everyone here

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Speaker 3: I was the original voice of Big Brother. I was

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Speaker 3: I was black clad.

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Speaker 4: No, yeah, I haven't in reality television. I went away

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Speaker 4: Peter is Big Brother, the Big Brother, the original Big brother.

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Speaker 1: I'm so close now. Well it's good though, because I

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Speaker 4: Okay, we are here with Peter, who is in fact

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Now just to flashback, so first three seasons?

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Speaker 3: Well as their notional father I have to love them

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, oh wow, and look at them now. But

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Speaker 3: I didn't do that. That was done by people higher

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Speaker 1: So your role as an executive producer, what kind of

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Speaker 3: Well, you were responsible for everything, so I watched and

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Speaker 1: And their requests remind me how long does a season

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Speaker 1: of Big Brother last? In terms of how many weeks

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Speaker 1: That's almost what like twenty four seven thirteen weeks. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Not even mentioning pre production, but you do eighteen our days,

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Speaker 1: Well, because you were the voice of Big Brother, So

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Speaker 1: had to be on call to go and chat to them. Right.

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Speaker 1: We need to go and get Big Brother.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: In the process, when did they go, oh, you should

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Speaker 3: And I just said, oh, that's ridiculous. I'm for generation

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Speaker 1: Oh I like this.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, when you set up a season of Big Brother,

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Speaker 1: make that up? You to go along like you're like,

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Speaker 1: all right, we're going to chuck a dog in one day.

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Speaker 1: You know that's going to happen. Or were you just

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Speaker 1: How much deviation is that?

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Speaker 2: Well quite a lot.

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Speaker 3: Because I discovered the joy of being live on air

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Speaker 3: then go, oh, okay, so you're going to be like that,

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Speaker 3: let me do this. In most foreign countries and I

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Speaker 3: and the producers have to handwrite notes to the voiceover person.

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Speaker 3: But I had the advantage of being in charge and

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Speaker 1: Was there anyone above you who could say no? Or

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Speaker 1: you were just like I'm the shots.

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Speaker 3: I were cast of thousands of people with more important titles,

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Speaker 3: but they didn't ever get involved deditorially.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. There must be a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: but you have to be rolling just in case something

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Speaker 1: What was the process for kind of getting someone acclimatized

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Speaker 3: The same thing happens. I didn't make them say any

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be wild. I guess for some of them,

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Speaker 1: What's that RuPaul has released her own song, blame it

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Speaker 3: I don't know about RuPaul, but I don't think they

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Speaker 3: They're what I called god puppet shows where the producer

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Speaker 1: I remember when I walked into drag Race when I

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Speaker 3: I don't admire that personally as a production method, the

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Speaker 1: Out of those first three seasons, it'd big brother, what

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Speaker 3: White boy would never have met Johnny in the city

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Speaker 3: to a lot of teenagers it's okay to accept difference

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there was a lot of magic in

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Speaker 3: And friendships that you wouldn't have predicted and they would

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Speaker 1: I want to know if you can give me some

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Speaker 1: So I talked too fast, I probably should slow down.

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Speaker 3: First of all, Well, yeah, the hardest thing about being

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Speaker 3: You sound too good natured.

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Speaker 2: Hoo is this big brother y'all? My god? Could you

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Speaker 2: just say clean up your man's and stop yelling at

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Speaker 1: Maybe so that was Peter the original voice of being brother,

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