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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure plenty of you have seen some pretty

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Speaker 1: horrendous vision being shared at different times on social media

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Speaker 1: of fights. This week's several social media pages featuring videos

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Speaker 1: of fights amongst Territorians in Alice Springs have been closed

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Speaker 1: following complaints to Meta, the owner of Facebook and Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Now the E Safety Commissioner has taken that action. After

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Speaker 1: of Family Violence, Karen Little Well, she made some She

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Speaker 1: raised those concerns to the E Safety Commissioner, Julie Ingram Grant,

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Speaker 1: and the Senator joins me on the line right now.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to your Senator.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you and to Territorian.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning. Now, tell

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Speaker 1: to make the complaint to the E Safety Commissioner.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess my immediate reaction to being told that

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Speaker 2: and I was surprised to find they're not in there

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Speaker 2: only in South Australia, but also in the Northern Territory

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Speaker 2: and in Western Australia. They were appalling there were women,

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Speaker 2: and these videos being obviously I think the one for

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Speaker 2: Sjuna had twenty seven videos and eight hundred followers, and

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Speaker 2: I also question what were people doing clicking on and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some of it's horrendous, isn't it. I mean, like, I,

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Speaker 1: you know, I haven't seen that Sojuna page, same as I,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't guy searching for these pages in

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the e Safety Commissioner talked about it

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Speaker 2: being a bit like a whack all these sites turn

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Speaker 2: up and others decide it's a good idea too. But

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Speaker 2: also as well as the injuries that occur in the

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Speaker 2: there's retribution when family members know that their children were

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Speaker 2: caught up in our punch up. So you know, we

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Speaker 2: domestic and family violence right across Australia, in the Northern

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Speaker 2: Territory now having one of the worst records in the country.

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Speaker 2: And I say that everybody has a responsibility to act

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Speaker 1: And Senator you are an Alice springsborn, are under woman,

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Speaker 1: you know you. I'm sure that you are certainly well

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Speaker 1: last couple of years or so. But geez, some of

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Speaker 2: Yes, And you know, I'm not the person to go

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Speaker 2: In terms of children and their normalized behavior in terms

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, just like I suppose just focusing

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Speaker 1: But what always astonishes me with these videos being shared,

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Speaker 2: Well, the technology is getting more and more sophisticated, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's good advice. The only other thing

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Speaker 2: Look, all of those platforms, no matter what, something can

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Speaker 2: and that's fantastic and really important, but with that must

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Speaker 1: It's a good point, I reckon, Senator. I know in

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Speaker 2: Well, it was good to finally get an admission that

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Speaker 2: eighteen workers out of the five hundred. Well we've heard

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Speaker 2: I think it's a great idea that Alice Springs residents have,

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Speaker 1: So that's you reckon. That's where that funding came from

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Speaker 2: It was funded by NI double A. But the response

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Speaker 1: And so when we're like this funding that we're talking

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Speaker 2: Well, we saw the territory in our Attorney General saying

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Speaker 2: whose human rights to You're talking about what about women,

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Speaker 2: understand that's from a very extreme peak that occurred from

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Speaker 2: the listing of both alcohol restrictions. It hasn't gone back

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Karen Little, Senator and also Shadow Minister for

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Speaker 1: federal federally, we really appreciate your time this morning. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you