WEBVTT - Aftermath 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.200 This is the case of Marion Barter, a mother, teacher, 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:21.320 friend missing for twenty six years. 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.040 You know, no sign that she was going to vanish. 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:25.480 That's for sure. 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:30.040 The bizarre circumstances surrounding her disappearance. 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:32.240 I'm not sure if it was intentional or there's something 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:34.120 more foul afoot. 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.080 If you could imagine a teacher coming straight from say 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.400 little house on the prairie to the eighties, that was 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:40.080 Marian Barter. 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:45.800 What I say, whether you find Marian Barter dead or alive, 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:50.559 I honestly believe somebody has that key piece of information. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.760 And the relentless quest of a daughter to find her mum. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:59.440 Something had happened, Something has happened to make her leave. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.920 I am one hundred percent sure, one hundred percent sure 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:05.080 that somebody knows something. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:16.080 The lady vanishes, Episode fifty. I'm Alison Sandy. 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:22.200 And I'm Brian Seymour. The coronial Inquest into the disappearance 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:27.000 of Marion Barter has completed public hearings, leaving millions of 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:31.360 people around the world waiting to learn what findings Coroner 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.200 Teresa O'Sullivan will hand down at a date yet to 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:40.720 be determined. None more so than Marian's daughter, Sally Laden 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.480 with whom we embarked on this quest for justice and truth. 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:49.880 Four and a half years ago. We caught up with 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.280 Sally and you will shortly hear her reactions to the 0:01:53.360 --> 0:02:01.520 last few days of hearings and some fascinating new information. First, 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.200 we want to share something noticed by one of our listeners. 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.840 On the final day of hearings, Rick Bloom gave evidence 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.880 for about an hour via video here. Sally's lawyer, Bradley 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.440 Smith asked him a question about his banking in two 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:16.720 thousand and six. 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.560 And did you open a safety deposit box at the 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.600 Commonwealth Bank six days later on the twenty eighth of 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:23.920 September two thousand and six. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.640 I can't remember the date. At the common Worst Bank, 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:33.080 I had an envelope with because there were lots of like, 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:38.200 there were lots of people stating things, and I have 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:43.200 an envelope which with the title of the house, the 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:48.160 sojurary of my family and a few mementos, and an 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.680 envelope that was about twelve to fifteen centimeters wide and 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.880 probably twenty centimeters long. You can't put a lot of 0:02:55.880 --> 0:03:01.600 things in. And because I had that envelope and later 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.560 on a security box or or whatever you call it 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:06.519 become available and I was given to me. 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:11.080 We are particularly interested in this part of his answer. 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.520 And I haven't ended up which with the title of 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:14.079 the house. 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.080 The problem is that Rick Bloom was in two thousand 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:22.920 and six living in rented accommodation. So what title to 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.920 property did he have to store in the safe deposit 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:30.880 envelope at the Commonwealth Bank. Perhaps this is yet another 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:36.520 slip revealing more uncomfortable truths about Rick Bloom. Shortly, I'll 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.560 talk to Sally Leyden about a few other slips mister 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.160 Bloom made while on the stand. 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.960 But first, another member of the public has reached out 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:50.280 with an intriguing account of something that happened more than 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:55.119 twenty years ago, which may suggest that mister Blum's amorous 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:59.120 adventures lying to women about being single and looking for 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:04.120 romance whilst he was married may have continued uninterrupted through 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.800 the early two thousands, involving more women than the seven 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:13.680 we have so far identified. Hello, Hello, Lean there, it's 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:14.560 Alison Sandy. 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.760 How are you. I'm good, How are you I'm well? 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.440 Thank you, thank you so much for allowing me to 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.680 call you. But I just thought you know, every little 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:24.680 bit helps with this thought. 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.520 Yeah, well, I mean it's just as I said, it's 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.200 just a very small thing with not a lot of 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.080 interaction on my part, But just the name really stood out, 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.800 and I just thought that given the time that had occurred, 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.960 there was bound toby other people that would have had 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.839 interactions at the same time, and I just thought, because 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.360 the name is so unusual, possible that it could in 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.000 fact be related. I was just trying to remember exactly 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.560 the timing, and it would have been I think around 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.880 middle of two thousand and two. And the reason that 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.120 I know that it would have been that time is 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:03.000 that I was not single for a very long time. 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.000 I was my current partner I had broken up, and 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.560 so you know, I was in Sydney, I didn't. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.840 Know a lot of people, and like a lot of people. 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:16.680 At that time, thought i'd try RSVP dating and you know, 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.640 I had a few dates. But the reason that this 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:25.000 sort of sticks out is that i'd with that whole service. 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:26.840 I don't know whether you remember it, but basically you 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.000 can reach out to people or people reach out to you, 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:33.200 and I had pretty much not reached out to anyone being, 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.720 you know, sort of old fashioned I'd waited for people 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:39.320 to contact me, but there was a profile on there 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.919 that was in hindsight like kind of immediately after what happened, 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.640 I realized it must have been fake. And it was 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:51.920 a really attractive French sounding person who I think they 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.320 identified as French as in really. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.720 Attractive model kind of like that I never would. 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.360 Have reached out to because I thought, you know, it 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.800 was kind of way out of my league. But you know, 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.920 I probably had a few drinks one night and sort 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:03.760 of sent a message. 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.719 Now a message came back to me pretty quickly that. 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.719 Was something like that this particular person that I'd reached 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.920 out to was in a relationship or something like that, 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:16.239 but that. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:19.719 He had then or whoever it. 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:22.640 Was had reached out had then basically either linked me 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.479 with another profile or the contact had come from this 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:31.479 other profile on RSVP. And this name of the other 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:36.560 person was Bernard DuPont, much older than the person that 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.840 the profile that I'd reached out to, and had a 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.040 really kind of unusual kind of description of that. 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.440 You might recall that Bernard DuPont is one of the 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:54.440 fifty plus aliases. Rick Blum has used this one in 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:59.480 the nineteen seventies. In episode thirty six, he told the 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:03.560 coroner that mister DuPont was a real person, the manager 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:07.039 at the Bank Nacionale de Paris in Sydney, which was 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:11.080 next door to the pension office he frequently visited, but 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.640 he could offer no explanation as to why he assumed 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:19.200 his identity. Now. Linda says in two thousand and two 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.800 she was dealing with someone using the same name. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.480 He was a French businessman, and. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:30.880 The photo looked a bit like a younger version of 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:35.040 one of the photos that you showed of Rick Bloom. 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.160 I remember he had dark hair, but much older than me. 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:39.440 I was in my mid thirties. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:44.360 And the whole thing just instantly sounded to me like 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.320 it was a big scam, like there was you know, 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.360 that the first person probably wasn't even real, and the 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:54.480 second person, that Bernard DuPont, just sounded for fake. Like 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.400 I didn't even I don't think I even responded, because 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.679 I just thought the whole thing sounded just so weird, 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.520 you know, I just thought that the first one had 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:06.000 clearly been set as a scam for whoever this other 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:07.760 person was, And that. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.240 Was the kind of entirety of my interaction with. 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.080 It, and just the reason that stuck in my mind 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:17.720 was just that it was so odd and yeah, so 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:18.679 that was kind of it. 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:23.280 I really appreciate you letting me know because it's it's 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.160 just obviously the tendacles. 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:28.320 Yeah, exactly. 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.880 And you know, as I said, given the timing that 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:37.040 it was in the in the early two thousands, because 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:38.240 I was trying to think, this is the only other 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.760 time that I was sort of single in Sydney was 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.120 in nineteen ninety seven, but I absolutely believed that it 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.240 was on RSVP, which wasn't until a bit later in 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.800 the early two thousands, So I'm pretty sure that it was. 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.880 If it wasn't two thousand and two, it would have 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.560 been sort of late two thousand and one. But I'm 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.360 pretty sure it was two thousand and two, and I 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.280 just remember that profile then kind of was popping up 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.560 all the time, so that that profile was active for 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.840 a long time on rs VP, or at least the 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.000 time that I was that I was viewing RSVP backing 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.640 in that year. So you know, there's bound to be 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:19.319 other people who would have had contact with that particular 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:20.600 profile at that time. 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.560 Absolutely there would have been and I know it's hard 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.439 for people to come out, and we've actually been really 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:30.720 grateful to the people that have, including you, even though 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.320 you know it's just to tell us this, because it's 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.640 just it's so important, every little bit, and we always 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.600 say that no, nothing is too minor, but this is 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.080 this is quite significant anyway because it shows, you know, 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:44.800 even the dating apps as well. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:46.400 Exactly. 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:49.880 Yeah. Now, and as I said, I forgot kind of 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.920 failing new to you to your podcast. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:53.280 It was someone that I work with. 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.680 Very recently said I used to listen to this and 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.880 then when I was going through all the alienses, it just. 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.319 Kind of jumped out and going, I remember that name. 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:04.800 That's that's weird. So and look, it might be completely 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.839 unrelated as well, but it might also be that I 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:11.199 just remember it because it was an unusual and good 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:15.280 French thing, and that it just seemed instantly to me 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.600 like it was there was something odd about it that 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.320 it was not genuine. 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.920 It sounds like Linda may have had a lucky escape. 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:29.559 We are in our fifth year of investigating Marian's disappearance, 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.240 and we are still finding new clues and information as 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.320 well as creating an ever expanding picture of who Marian 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:42.760 was now Another friend of Marian's has agreed to talk 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:48.079 with us. Kerry Hubal was a childhood friend, and like Marian, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:52.480 she too became a teacher. She has fond recollections of 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:56.000 Marian Wilson as she first knew her, and some strong 0:10:56.040 --> 0:11:01.800 opinions about what has happened to her. Okay, Alison, Sandy, 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:02.559 how are you. 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:04.360 I'm pretty good. How are you? 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:06.800 I'm well? I mean, like I think the last time 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.520 we actually spoke in person was the first when the 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:13.400 inquest started two years ago into Marion Barta. Do you 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:14.439 remember that in Sydney? 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:18.400 Yes, I do so, I certainly do so. 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.800 I mean, this must be really remarkable for you can 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.200 first of all, I guess, because obviously our listeners will 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.080 want to know how you actually know Marian. Can you 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:28.760 can you tell us. 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:33.040 About Yes, we went to the same school for taking Hi, 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:39.199 we're in the same year. She was in the AH 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.520 stream and I was in the B stream. But we 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:46.240 became friends, and she had several friends, not just me, 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:53.480 And eventually I went to stay with my father who 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.599 lived somewhere else, and she came with me on holidays 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:01.160 and we became very firm friends. For a while there 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:02.520 so it is. 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.440 Can you tell me what you remember about Marian because 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:07.480 I mean, we've been doing this now for five years 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.600 and a lot of people have been listening. But sometimes 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.840 people forget. I mean they you know, they see her 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.240 picture and everything, but you know, she was a living, 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:19.240 breathing person with a personality. Can you tell me what 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:20.400 you remember about her? 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:26.360 Yes, Marian, Well, I would never have called her shy, 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.800 but I would call her had She had a reserve 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.880 about her. I read somewhere that people thought she was naive. 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:40.079 She was never naive as a young person. She was reserved. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:46.080 She was friendly. The boys certainly loved Mary, and she 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.319 was a very attractive girl. I wouldn't have called her intellectual, 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.640 but I would have called her very smart, very intelligent. 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.600 And it was just this reserve about her. She was 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:01.320 able to well, would you say she was able to 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:06.760 live her life without other people intruding upon it. I 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.280 would have said. We went to stay with my father 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:14.320 and we shared a room. We went out together, we 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.319 went to the beach. The boys loved her. I was 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:21.040 sort of tinkering after boys, but she didn't particularly want to, 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.959 but they loved her. Might have been that cool exterior 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.320 that she had. Yeah, we discovered lipsticks together. We bought 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.920 matching outfits in different colors. When we went away. She 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.880 was that's as I said, she was going through the 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.280 a stream, which when she was quite smart. 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.320 When you say matching outfits, I'm curious because this had 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.600 been the sixties, right, what do you remember what the 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:44.640 outfits were and. 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:49.000 Might have been the late fifties ideas I can remember 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.200 we had. We both were were sure. I mean, things 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.920 weren't as stylised then as they are now. We bought 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.920 matching sun hats, great big sub hats, huge sun's. In fact, 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.640 she ordered them for us. One was she had blue, 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:09.480 I had yellow. We had shorts that were similar. We 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.160 were different body shapes, so mine didn't look quite as 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:13.839 good on me as they did on her. I was 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.840 actually told by my stepmother Neves to wear them again, 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.280 but she looked great in them. What else we had 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.960 matching lipsticks that we went and bought together, and things 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:24.360 like that. 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.480 So it was a fun, easy going, you know, just 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.600 just a really enjoyable time. I suppose quite innocent. I 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:33.160 suppose in. 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:38.040 The oh, very definitely, yes, I mean we were. She's 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.880 three months older than me, you know, three months is 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.000 a lot more when you're young than when you reached 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:48.920 this age, so that I did see Marian as perhaps 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:53.440 a bit of a slightly older than me and therefore 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.160 knew more than me. But yeah, no, no, she was 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.800 great to be with. We got along very well for what. 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:05.280 We separated in different directions a little bit later in 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:11.160 high school because although we stay friends, I left and 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:17.200 she continued on and then went on to Balmain Teachers 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.440 College to be a study to study. 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.320 As a teacher, did the teaching as well. 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.760 I am a teacher, but I didn't do teaching. Then 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.840 I left school early. I left school at fifteen. I 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.400 hated school. I just hated it so much. I just 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.760 wanted to get away because I learned learned later the 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.320 value of school and went back and did my HSC. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.680 But at the time I didn't like school at all. 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.840 Marion loved it, and I hope she was very popular. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:46.800 A lot of people liked Marian. 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:48.800 She always. I mean, when I look at the photo, 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.600 she was so sophisticated, I wouldn't. 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.520 Yeah, I guess that's that's how you would interpret I 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.160 never saw her as sophisticated. I saw her as fairly 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:00.320 self contained. 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.280 Didn't you need other people's approval necessarily, Is that what 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:04.920 you're trying to mean? 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:09.360 Or to a large extent, I mean, I remember well, 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:15.000 whilst we were on holidays up at Kendall, we walked 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.040 down the street and the boys would all call out 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.479 to Marian and she just ignored them. And I furiously 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.920 waved because I was young and you know, unaware of 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:29.360 the games people play, and I'd wave and they'd all 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:33.000 turn away. Then they'd call out to Marian again, and 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:37.920 she used to say to me, just ignore, just ignore them. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.360 So around this time, you would have been maybe thirteen. 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:45.680 I was fourteen, fourteen, so at that stage not quite 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:51.600 having having boyfriends, but just you know, I guess getting 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:52.120 their attention. 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:56.560 Now. I think Maryon had a few admirers. There's no 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.120 doubt there's a touch of boys that really liked Marian. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.760 I was a lot more gauky than than Marian. She was. 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:09.040 She had a nice body and nice, lovely tan skin, 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:16.280 great smile, but she had a few guys that she'd 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:21.400 had her eye on at different times. But certainly we 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.000 weren't pursuing any serious relationships or anything like that at 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:28.119 this point. We did go out with guys together. We 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:34.280 went out ass but going to the movies and back 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.960 home again. No, I have no idea what I thought. 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:38.600 I didn'tink I was watching all the time. 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.000 It was just the time when, yes, when, okay, So 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.560 when you make out in the theaters of times. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:51.440 Exactly, and you'd start begging out and the front row 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.280 would start whistling and carrying on. So to stop. 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:01.520 Oh wow, that sounds like exciting times. So when did 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:05.119 you find out about what had happened that Marian was missing? 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.040 Look, I have no I a lot of thought on 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.639 Marian through the years and wondered what she was doing. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:15.040 I knew she married Johnny Warren because she used to 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.960 come in and tell me to where I was working. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.240 She'd come in on her way to I think it 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:25.880 was the James station and tell me what was going on. 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.600 And she told me once she's getting married on Saturday, 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.960 And I said, I knew she was dating Johnny Warren 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.040 and I said, oh great. She came in the following 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:38.240 week and she said we didn't get married, And I 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.919 said what happened? And she said, I changed my mind, 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:44.760 but we are going to get married. We'll get We 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:46.399 just put it off for a while I need to 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.960 think about things. That's what she told me. I didn't 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:54.000 know how true it was. I didn't really wasn't that concerned. 0:18:56.160 --> 0:19:01.520 We had another mutual friend that I was spending more 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:06.639 time with, Tammy, and Tammy was seeing much more Marian 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.560 than I was at the time I heard she got married. 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.840 I think she told me she got married, and really 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.119 we then slipped out of the picture. We just didn't 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:20.639 see each other anymore. I realized once I discovered that 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.600 Marian was missing, that she had moved at some point 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:28.320 to Queensland, and I didn't know. I do remember that 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:32.480 she had she was one of four girls, and that 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.400 a mother and father lived not far from where I did. 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.400 So I often wondered, because you know, we had been 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:43.480 good friends, but friends move on. So how did I discover? 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:50.119 Probably through your podcasts. I had heard about them, and 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.160 then I saw a picture. I thought, that's my friend 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:57.520 Marian Wilson. So I think I contacted you and said 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.240 I know her, but she's not Marian Barter, She's Marian Wilson. 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:05.280 And you said Marion Bart's her last married name, and 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.640 that's why it all came to my attention. 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:12.000 So reading about her and what happened in her life 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:15.040 and everything. You know, I guess she had three husbands, 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:20.280 and then I guess the latest with with her having 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.119 changed her name and disappeared. I mean, what were you thinking? 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.880 Was this something? Was this the Marian that you remembered 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:27.840 or No. 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.600 No, I would never have called a secretive. I would 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.280 have called a reserve. But I would never have called 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:38.679 a secretive when she was younger. Anyway, who knows what 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:44.600 life tosses you in it between. No, I, I was 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:49.040 quite shocked. Honesty was an important thing for Marian. Do 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:55.040 you remember we've discussed it. We talked about another person's 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:59.520 behavior and had discussed honesty and it was very important 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:03.240 to her. So I read this and I was quite surprised. 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:08.880 She wasn't consistent with what I knew. She was very 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:14.280 the reserved. She was very night to put it nicely 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:19.120 up front, but not nasty. She would tell you if 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:21.200 what you did concerned her. 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:24.040 One of the things that we I mean you obviously, 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:25.879 and I was a long time between knowing her, but 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.600 you know, the foundations are set in a person by 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:33.359 the time they're a teenager. If she had found out 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.160 that she was being taken for a ride, or that 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:39.240 someone was deceiving her and that they were already married. 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:41.800 Do you think she's the sort of person that would 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:42.960 confront them about it. 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:50.200 Eventually? Yes, yes I do. She would never be aggressive 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:54.239 about it. She was not an aggressive person, but I 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:56.920 do think she would confront them. I think she'd think 0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:02.720 about it first. She wouldn't, She's not feel for a type. 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:06.639 I would have also thought she'd have discussed it with 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:11.000 somebody else first. Maybe she didn't have that opportunity. Yes, 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:16.280 I do believe she would have confronted them, in believing, 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:19.359 you know, one had to be fair and honest about 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:20.680 these things. 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:25.280 Well, particularly since she obviously had a firm belief about honesty. 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:31.520 Absolutely. Look, I read quite a bit of the comments 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:35.720 that particularly her daughter and one of her former husbands made, 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:44.480 and there were clearly changes in her personality, the secretiveness. Look, 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:48.280 I remember when we're we're probably about fifteen, she went 0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:50.160 to the movies with a guard, but instead of going 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:54.399 to the movies, they drove down this two I think 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:57.440 with Engerdein or heath Coat or something like that, and 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:01.320 she told me how they shot in the current pasted 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:04.240 as she put it, which meant that she had a 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:07.800 nexting session with a guy and then came home and 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:11.800 told her parents that it was a lovely movie. Now, 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:14.719 that doesn't dely the fact that I think she's an 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:16.960 honest person. I think she was just covering her tracks 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:18.560 because she wasn't supposed to be out with the boy 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:22.600 other than at the movies. We've all done that, and 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:27.840 I wouldn't consider most people who do that kind of 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:31.800 behavior are dishonest at all, although the action itself might 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:36.920 be Yeah, Look, I just think she would have tried 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:39.359 to deal with it, that's for sure, But that she 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:41.800 went so far as to change her name is what 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:46.879 I find remarkable. That was quite a surprise to me. 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:50.640 That wasn't consistent with how I knew married at all. 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:54.800 The inquest is now over and the coroner has to 0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:59.840 deliver her findings, which are most likely going to be 0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:03.240 consistent with the fact that she's no longer alive and 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:05.480 that her disappearance. 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:08.160