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Speaker 1: Jam mission with Jones and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Well, what about swimming sisters? I love that song sisters

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Speaker 2: are doing it for themselves. Kate and Brontie Campbell have

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Speaker 2: written a book called Sister's Secrets. We've got Bronchie Campbell

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Speaker 2: with us now Kate was supposed to be joining us,

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Speaker 2: but Brontie it's outrageous. Kate's late? Is this unlike her?

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Speaker 2: As business like her?

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Speaker 3: We actually know what it's really unlike her. I'm normally

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Speaker 3: the one who's late.

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Speaker 2: Look this book. I've just been flicking through it. It's

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Speaker 2: really interesting because you're saying how to well the life

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Speaker 2: lessons from the pool to the podium, and there's some

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Speaker 2: serious stuff about how you deal with losing, how you

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Speaker 2: deal with winning, how you deal with injury, and then

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Speaker 2: at the back. I love this stuff about things we

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Speaker 2: may not know about what it's like to be a swimmer,

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Speaker 2: one of which is get rid of your get ready

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Speaker 2: to lose your eyebrows. Why eyebrows?

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Speaker 1: I think the chlorine just likes to pick on them

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Speaker 1: as the most valuable part of our faces. The chlorine

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Speaker 1: basically eats away the hairs on your eyebrows and you

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Speaker 1: lose them all, which is. It's tragic, especially in the

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Speaker 1: days of Cara Deelavine where suddenly everybody's into their eyebrows

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Speaker 1: and I'm losing them and going back to nineties in

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Speaker 1: the eyebrows and I'm just a few decades behind.

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Speaker 2: Really, i'pe always because I'm not a swimmer, I'm not

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Speaker 2: a beach goer. And the idea of standing in front

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Speaker 2: of the world in your swimming costume, as a friend

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Speaker 2: of mine said, she'd rather lose a finger, but that's

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Speaker 2: what you guys do for a living, and I imagine

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Speaker 2: you're very comfortable with that. But that's not always the case,

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Speaker 2: is it.

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Speaker 3: No, it's not always the case.

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Speaker 1: And it is something to talk about in body image

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Speaker 1: and sport, and especially in a sport like swimming where

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Speaker 1: your body's very much on display, and then how people

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Speaker 1: get judged on that when really what should be judged

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Speaker 1: is performance and speed in the pool because that's really

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Speaker 1: what we're there to do. So it is definitely something

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Speaker 1: to talk about, and Kate talks about it a bit

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Speaker 1: in the book.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean, the less that I can.

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Speaker 1: Think about being up in front of the world in

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Speaker 1: my togs and the more I think about being up

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Speaker 1: in front of the world to perform, the better I

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Speaker 1: end up performing.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's it's just shifting, shifting.

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Speaker 1: That, and particularly for women, your body has you've made

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Speaker 1: it into this machine to do this great, amazing thing

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Speaker 1: which will swim fast in a pool, and then to

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Speaker 1: have comments on it that it doesn't look like other cinemars.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's split out of line in my point

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Speaker 1: of view. But it is getting way better. In the

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Speaker 1: years I've been in the sport, we've seen the dialogue

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Speaker 1: change a lot publicly, and I think we're heading in.

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Speaker 3: The right direction.

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Speaker 4: Is thinner faster, No, because.

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Speaker 3: That's what it's not always faster, that's.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Because I was reading what Thorpe he said, and

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Speaker 4: he said he was getting the same time when he

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Speaker 4: was ninety k to when he was one hundred and

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Speaker 4: five kilo, So obviously that doesn't make a difference. And

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Speaker 4: there's a picture of kid in the paper today. I

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Speaker 4: noticed and she.

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Speaker 3: Looks like thin.

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Speaker 4: She looks thin in this picture. And the poor thing

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Speaker 4: was like, you know, just having to measure eating an apple,

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Speaker 4: or measuring how much milk or full cream milk she

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Speaker 4: could have and stuff like that. But if you're swimming

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Speaker 4: so much, surely, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's it's I mean, the dangers is that you're you're

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Speaker 1: not getting enough energy when you start to restrict foods

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Speaker 1: and Okay, when she was younger, I really struggled with

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Speaker 1: the idea that thinner would be faster. Ickily didn't didn't

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Speaker 1: have that that struggle to go through myself. And it

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Speaker 1: was when she when she learned to eat enough food

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Speaker 1: and have enough energy, and she put on I think

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Speaker 1: like ten kilos from from when she was a teenager

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Speaker 1: to where she is now. And she's at her best

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Speaker 1: now and most powerful now. So it's I think it's

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Speaker 1: it's an easy thing to measure, an easy thing to control,

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Speaker 1: and that's what gets a lot of attention, even in

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Speaker 1: your own mind where it's not the.

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Speaker 3: Biggest metric for success. There's so much other things that

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Speaker 3: go into it.

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Speaker 2: The two of you are amazing, and I can't imagine

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Speaker 2: what it would be like for two in one family

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Speaker 2: to be so successful. I know Mike Wore has been

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Speaker 2: taunted when people go, you're not even the best player

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Speaker 2: in your family, and you've said yourself, you write about

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Speaker 2: what it's like to be one of the fastest swimmers

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Speaker 2: in the world and you're not still not the fastest

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Speaker 2: in your own family, and yet you two are so tight.

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Speaker 2: That seems to me is such a difficult thing to navigate.

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Speaker 3: It's I can see how people think it's difficult.

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Speaker 1: This is what I sort of write about in the

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Speaker 1: book a bit, is that it has moments of being difficult.

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Speaker 1: But I mean the hardest thing is other people's comparisons

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Speaker 1: from the outside. Like we always wanted to do this together.

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Speaker 1: We always sit in the back of the car on

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Speaker 1: our way to training and talk about going to the

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Speaker 1: Olympics together and how much we wanted to do that

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Speaker 1: as little kids.

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Speaker 3: So for us to do it together has been a

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Speaker 3: dream come true.

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Speaker 1: And to have Cat along side me my whole journey

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Speaker 1: has made my journey a lot, a lot smoother, but

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Speaker 1: also a lot more successful. I know that it looks

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Speaker 1: weird when I come second to her a lot, but

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Speaker 1: if I wasn't training with her, if I didn't have

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Speaker 1: her in my life, then I'm not becoming second, and

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Speaker 1: they're becoming eighth or twelve or fourteenth or not there

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Speaker 1: at all. So I think it's it's just all about perspective,

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Speaker 1: and that the hard bit for me does come from

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Speaker 1: from other people's comparisons, especially when I was growing up

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Speaker 1: and Kate made her first Olympics when she was fifteen

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Speaker 1: years old, and immediately I was thirteen at the time.

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Speaker 1: You would people like, oh, like do you swim? Like

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Speaker 1: when are you going to do that? And that's a

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Speaker 1: lot of pressure for someone when they're really young. But

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Speaker 1: I guess that's where I learned that's okay what other

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Speaker 1: people think, which is quite a good tal have.

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Speaker 2: You in the back of a car saying it's got

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Speaker 2: to the Olympics.

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Speaker 4: Cret it's happening. It's happening. And you've beaten Kate today

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Speaker 4: because you've come on the show for the Zoom catch

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Speaker 4: up and your eyebrows are on point.

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Speaker 3: And when I'm going to chalk this up as a

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Speaker 3: wind and.

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Speaker 4: Look at those eyebrows, you know, really they are fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Not green today. I know you talk about that your

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Speaker 2: hair is not green.

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Speaker 4: Brondie. It's so great to catch up with you. Kate

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Speaker 4: and Brondie Campbell's books, Sisters Secrets, is in all good

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Speaker 4: bookstores today. Passing our regards to Kate and thank you

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Speaker 4: for being on the show.

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Speaker 2: Nice to see you Bronte, nice to see you both,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Jonesy and Amanda's GA