1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: Joining me live in the studio right now for the 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:06,319 Speaker 1: big issues, proudly brought to you by Kolano Community Association. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: I have got Dave Tolner. 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: Good morning, great to be with you, Katie. 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: And I've got Damien Hale, good morning to your home. 6 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Are you very well? Now before we get into it, 7 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: very something very serious that I saw yesterday Dave Tolner 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: out training, lean and mean and clean and mean riding, 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: riding his bicycle around and then upon closer inspection, I 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: see he's got a durry in his house. 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 3: The Olympics is on. Now he's too late. It started without. 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: Him, one breakthrough at a time, smoking on a push 13 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: for I. 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: Did, actually, but I did wonder whether he had a 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: beer or wine in his in the water holder part 16 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: of his bicycle. But he didn't. 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I've just been to the buff Club. Well, 18 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: this is part of my fitness regime. I've decided and 19 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: driving to the Buffs, I'm going to ride my pushy 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: n It's a big drive. 21 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: Literally not far away. 22 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 4: Good days, doing a bit of cycling in the morning, 23 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 4: walk so I can have me have a beer in 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 4: the evening. 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll tell you what doesn't it shape. But 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: when you look in the mirror, Haley Mornings, see that 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: big V shaped torso you've got there. Turn the light on, 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: drip and turn the light of. 29 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 4: Might use the light on my phone to find my socks, 30 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 4: but I certainly don't turn the light on it. 31 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: Duchy would go off. 32 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, we better move on because while everybody is very 33 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: keen to hear about us exercising, you exercising, Dave Toma, 34 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: I think they're more interested to hear your thoughts on 35 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: the fact that the Darwin Turf Club jam and Brett Dixon, 36 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: he's well. He has launched legal action in an attempt 37 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: to overturn these adverse findings made against him by the 38 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: Northern Territories Anti Corruption watchdog. We do know that the 39 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: Independent Commissioner against Corruption last month released that report into 40 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: its investigation into the handling of the twelve million dollar 41 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: government grant for the new grandstand at the Fanny Bay 42 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: Race Course. Now mister Dixon has released an eleven page statement. 43 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: It is very extensive. However, you look at ers, this 44 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: issue is not going away in a hurry. 45 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: No, no, I'll tell you what but in an interesting 46 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: you know, we've got the Brett Dixon, the dar and 47 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 2: Turf Club there Cook, we got the Ikak there Crook, 48 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: and we got the cabinet is crook. I don't know. 49 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: I don't know how we get to the bottom of 50 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: this made we need a royal commission. 51 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 5: About that. 52 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 4: But I'm just on the statement of the last sentence 53 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 4: in Brett Dixon's statement. This is not the end, it's 54 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 4: just the beginning. 55 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, well going to put up with 56 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: a few more weeks. 57 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 2: It's got to be just the beginning. And I reckon 58 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 2: the Grand Stead is just the tip of the iceberg. 59 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: Let's start looking around at all those other buildings on 60 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: the race course. Let's work out how they'll bet three 61 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: six ' five ends up at the Beerrima corporate Park. 62 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: How can the chairman be a resident of South Australia, 63 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: of the turf club, you know those sort of things. 64 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: All these things need to be investigated. And you know 65 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: all we've seen, like I say, is talk about the 66 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: Grand Stead. Let's have a look around. You know where 67 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: does eighteen million dollars go. I had a big concern 68 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: back in twenty fifteen when they were spending fifteen million 69 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: of taxpayers money every year, and now we find out 70 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: that it's been bumped up to eighteen million up per year. 71 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: Now you might recall, you might not recall, Codie, but 72 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen we said we're going to reduce their 73 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: funding by a million dollars a year over three year. 74 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: So take it from fifteen to twelve. What that basically 75 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: means is, since twenty sixteen, their funding is increased from 76 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: twelve million to eighteen million, a fifty percent increase. Now, 77 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: I haven't seen a fifty percent increase in numbers coming 78 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: to the DAAR and couple numbers going out there on 79 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: a Saturday or anything. You know, where does eighteen million 80 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: dollars disappear? T You know, it's all right, we sit 81 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: there and focus on the green Steain. I tell you 82 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: what he seems to have thrown Gunner writing well, I mean. 83 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: I honestly think that Gunner was there already, and I like, 84 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: I think there's you know, we can't you can't get 85 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: past the fact that this you know, this grandstand as well. 86 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: It's been promised obviously in his electorate. It's in Fanny Bay. 87 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: We know, we know that they that the IK hasn't 88 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: been able to look into, you know, to the process, 89 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: the cabinet process, which is understandable, that is obviously confidential. However, 90 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: we're now in a situation where you've got Brett Dixon 91 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: saying that he wasn't aware that it was even going 92 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: to cabinet that day. They're I don't I don't know 93 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: who's telling the truth, who's not telling the truth where 94 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: the truth lies. But it doesn't look good for anybody 95 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: at this. 96 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: Word on the street is that the board is going 97 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: to get re elected. You sit there and they go, 98 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: holy hell. 99 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: Well, but then you know, if you're a board member, 100 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: you'd be thinking to yourself. In addition to that, you'd 101 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: be questioning how the government you know, I can just 102 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: throw you under the bus when they're the ones that have. 103 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 2: Made the decisse Listen, they've thrown a whole bunch of 104 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 2: board members under the bus. Don't worry about that. They've 105 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 2: sacked the entire Board of Territory generation. They sacked you know, 106 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: there's been boards everywhere they've got rid of. I don't 107 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: think getting rid of the turf Club really perturbs them 108 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: too much at all. I got to say it'd be 109 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: one way clear in the air is to get for 110 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: the board to just sit there and say all right. 111 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: At times you just got to suck it up and resign, 112 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: get out of here. And you know, if your interest 113 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: is in horse racing, surely you'd be trying to replace 114 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: that board, trying to clear the air and it and 115 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: move ahead. 116 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 4: Wasn't There some reports today that some of the board 117 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 4: members are pushing back now and saying, well, they're not 118 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 4: going be an interesting AGM. 119 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 3: Dave from Oh won't go along then Eddie nominate for that. 120 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: You've got to be a member for a year before 121 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: you can run up to that. 122 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 1: You're right, but I actually reckon there's two separate parts 123 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: to this. Obviously, you know, the conduct of the Darwin 124 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: Turf Club has got to be looked at, and it 125 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: has been looked at in the Eikak report. So there's 126 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: that element of it, and the element of you know, 127 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: the awarding of that tender to j Tex. But then 128 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: the other part of this is how on earth did 129 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: we wind up with a situation where the Chief Minister 130 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: is walking into cabinet with a submission under his arm 131 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: for twelve million dollars for a twelve million dollar grandstand 132 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: and it's then being approved that day, Like if you 133 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: believe Brett Dixon. He's given them, you know, they've given 134 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: that detail that morning, it's then been approved that day. 135 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: How does that happen? 136 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: Well, I mean it makes a joke of everything he's done. 137 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: Alf Leonardi, I mean alf Leonardi. Evidently you can't sack 138 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: him enough. I mean, his crime is so heinous. It's 139 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 2: hard to work out what Alfa Leonardi has done that 140 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: was wrong. But anyhow, evidently elf Leonardi has done a 141 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: crime that's so bad that he can no longer be 142 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: the chief Minister's chief of staff. But he can also 143 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: no longer go back to being a public service he servant. 144 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: He's got to be sacked from that role as well. 145 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: But the chief just it defies logic that the Chief 146 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: Minister wouldn't have known, you know that he's once he's 147 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: been given a submission three hours before he walks into 148 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: the cabinet door that he's chief of staff. Wouldn't have said, listen, 149 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: we've just cooked this little one up today. 150 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: He did not, And if he didn't know, then what 151 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: kind of chief minister are you? If you're not actually 152 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: doing your homework? So which is it? You literally have 153 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: no idea what's going on? Or you do actually know 154 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: what's going on, because either way it doesn't look good. 155 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: Your goose is cooked. Either way, absolutely, you know, just. 156 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 4: Back a step is the police are investigating it, aren't they. 157 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: Well, Freendiction says in his statement, and then he also 158 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: right at the end, I think I want to. 159 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 4: Be careful what I say because I haven't got enough 160 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 4: money to pay it to us, to pay somebody for 161 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 4: slandering them on a radio station. 162 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: I'm actually. 163 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 4: I'm just saying, but I'm just saying I'm going to 164 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 4: be careful with what I say, obviously, because if I 165 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 4: think the gap in the ikak as we've seen in 166 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 4: other issues that have whether it's been the Keasyer Puric 167 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 4: Terry Mills spat, which I understand has now been resolved 168 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 4: and the police aren't going any further with it, does 169 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 4: Keasier get reinstated as speaker, because now there's nothing to 170 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 4: be seen here. So the col Gwynn affair like cole Gwyn's, 171 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 4: I'll admit a conflict of interest. I'm a good friend 172 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 4: of Colson and her reputation has been tarnished, and but 173 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 4: yet nothing's come of that. 174 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 3: It's just sitting in limbo. 175 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 4: Do we need to have a resourced part of the 176 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 4: police force which forensically looks at the IQAQ reports and 177 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 4: goes through them quickly in order to find out if 178 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 4: there is any wrongdoing, because at the moment you're getting 179 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 4: people's reputations being trashed, but yet the police aren't coming 180 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 4: in and you know from the pub test, fine or 181 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 4: it doesn't pass the pub test. 182 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: We all understand that. 183 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 4: But if there's no criminal activity and there's no laws 184 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 4: being broken, people's reputations are being absolutely trashed. So maybe 185 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 4: they need to look at a part of resourcing, a 186 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 4: part of the police where you have investigators that pick 187 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 4: up the next stage of an icacink. 188 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 2: There was a whole idea of the IICAC when they 189 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: bought it in was to trash people's reputations and all 190 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. That's the way it's that, that's 191 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: the way it works in every other jurisdiction. It trashes 192 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: people's reputations, all of that sort of stuff. It's why 193 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: we're opposed to the creation of an i CAAC in 194 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: the first place. 195 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 6: Too. 196 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: Though, the point I really want to go back to is, 197 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, is how did we end up in a 198 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: situation where the cabinets approving a twelve million dollar grant 199 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: without you know, without due process in the first place. 200 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 2: By the look of things, well, can I say, I think, 201 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: you know, in a large part the media has enabled 202 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 2: this thinking that the turf Club can get away with anything. 203 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: If you have a look at you know, my efforts 204 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen around the turf trub kind of find 205 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: some answers to some of these things. I called for 206 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: an order of the books and all of that sort 207 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 2: of stuff. I was absolutely pillaried in the media, absolutely pillary. 208 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: The NT News wrote an editorial on me, saying I 209 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: should be tongue tied because I had no clue what 210 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 2: I was talking about. 211 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: I think you still were allowed to come on here. 212 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: Though, Dave I came on here. I put the case 213 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 2: back there saying I was outraged. So there was fifteen 214 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,599 Speaker 2: million dollars more than the entire Department of Fisheries was 215 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 2: getting going to thoroughbred racing Northern Territory, and I wanted 216 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: to know where the money was going. All of a sudden, 217 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 2: I'm pilloried. Now, you know those people who's sitting there 218 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: doing those things back in twenty fifteen, I'm not saying 219 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: there was misappropriation of money, but there was money just 220 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 2: seemingly just going into a bottomless pit. Those people now 221 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: felt enabled that they could get away with more. And 222 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: you have a look at what's happened since twenty fifteen. 223 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: I mean it's almost like there's no regard for any 224 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: sensibilities at all. Like, you know, their funding has gone 225 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: from twelve million to eighteen million. They've been funded for Silks. 226 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 2: Silks have one hundred poker machines in there. How can 227 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 2: you have one hundred paker machines? No other club is 228 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 2: allowed more than forty five. How do they get a 229 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: hundred out there? You know, there's all these questions and 230 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: more and more and more just keeps getting shoveled into 231 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: the turf, into thoroughbred racing and no answers. And you 232 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: sit there and you go, oh, of course, why would 233 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: Cabinet not just sign off it because they've been allowed 234 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: to get away with this still of stuff for me 235 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: listening fully enabled by the media. 236 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: Out they're listening. Who aren't aware of your background? You 237 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: were the Minister for treasurer obviously, yeah, you're the treasurer 238 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: a treasure. 239 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: And I want to know where the money was going. 240 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: Well, look, there is more questions I think than answers 241 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: at this point in time when. 242 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 5: It comes to this situation. 243 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: No, look, no I'm not going because it's it's you know, 244 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: I've got a thing against horse racing or any of 245 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. I'm not making a protest about it. 246 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: Like I want to say that there are plenty of 247 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: really good people that work, you know, in military, people 248 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: in that industry. And I would say, you know, still 249 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: if there are people listening thinking, oh we should I 250 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: go to the ball, should I go to the cup? Yes, 251 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: go go and support an event that's happening in the 252 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: Northern Territory. You know, still got your. 253 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: Government's bored money into it. You might as well. I 254 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: used to say that about the Territory Wildlife Park. It's 255 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: worth visiting. I said, well, a government's one hundred dollars 256 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: for you to visit. I think you're going to get 257 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: good value. 258 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: Thing is like, there is no doubt that there's you know, 259 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: there is a lot of questions that still need to 260 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: be answered here. I don't think that this issue is 261 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: going to go away in. 262 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 3: A hurry flick through the report. 263 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: Yep, it's not going to. 264 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: But look we are going to take a very short break. 265 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: You are listening to mix ONEOW four point nine. It 266 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: is the big issue. 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Jess Fox only 329 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 11: has eyes for gold in the K one slower after 330 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 11: qualifying fastest for today's semifinals, she'll take to the water 331 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 11: last out to secure her spot in the final Fox 332 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 11: one silver and Love and bronze in Rio and would 333 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 11: be able to complete the set on the water today. 334 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 11: The first ever Olympics surfing medals will also be awarded today. 335 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 11: Owen Wright is currently in the water contesting his quarter 336 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 11: final up against Peruz Luca Messidas right currently leading his 337 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 11: quarter final. Sally Fitzgibbons in action a bit later this afternoon. 338 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 11: Australia is also in metal contention in the dressage team 339 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 11: event of the Equestrian and in the women's BNX cross country. 340 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 11: Of course, the pool presents more opportunities for gold as well. 341 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 11: Kaylee McEwen can tests her first final of these Games 342 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 11: alongside Emily sea Bomb in the one hundred meters bank stroke, 343 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 11: while Mitch Larkin is in action in the men's event 344 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 11: elsewhere on this day. For Jian Fang Lay is back 345 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 11: in action at her sixth Games. The mother of two 346 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 11: will today compete in the third round of the table tennis, 347 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 11: aiming to advance to the final sixteen for the first 348 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 11: time out in the Olympics. Whe Kookaburs are about to 349 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 11: take to the field against Argentina in the hockey. The 350 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 11: Aussie men so far undefeated at the Games with wins 351 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 11: against Japan and India. Tonight, the Matilda's returned to the 352 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 11: field looking to make amends for their loss to Spain. 353 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 11: That won't be easy as they come up against the 354 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 11: raiding World Cup champions in the United States. But now 355 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 11: that is the latest on the action from Tokyo Recording 356 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 11: you front. 357 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 5: And center for all the game's action for six Tanks Brewery, 358 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 5: your place to be for the Games, Mix one o 359 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 5: four nine. If you want to know what's happening on 360 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 5: the local political landscape, Katie Wolf has it covered on 361 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 5: three sixty. Every one is Listening Mix one oh four 362 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 5: point nine. 363 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: It's seven minutes away from eleven o'clock and in the 364 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: studio with us this morning, Dave Tolner and Damian Hale. 365 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 4: I'bing down wolf, Are you right now? 366 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: Ye on fire? 367 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 4: Yet you thought I thought I was looking across at 368 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 4: the treasurer. 369 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 3: It's just wound walk back. 370 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: I sort of got a bit wound up when she's 371 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: talking about alf Leonardi. Like you know, alf Leonardi has 372 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 2: been sacked twice. It's hard to imagine. I've now for 373 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: a long time he's been on the opposite side of well, 374 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: he's been on the opposite side of politics for me. 375 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 2: But I've always found now an extremely honest, straight shooter, 376 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: a bloke that you could sit down and have a 377 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 2: serious practical discussion. And I just find it impossible to 378 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 2: imagine that Michael Gunner wouldn't have a clue what alf Leonardi. 379 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 6: Was up to. 380 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: Clear, I've worked for Elf Leonardi. He's someone who at 381 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: you know, in my younger years, considered a friend. I 382 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: haven't spoken to him in quite a long period of time. 383 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: I don't know how he is going, But I agree 384 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: with you, I find it very difficult to believe that, 385 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: as also having worked in a political office as all 386 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: of us have, that a leader does not know how 387 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: a staffer is operating or what a staffer is doing. 388 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: I mean, it was not a new one. I mean 389 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: he was when I was a federal member. Alf was 390 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: the chief of staff for Sid Stirling, who was a 391 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 2: Deputy Chief Minister at the time and he was Education Minister. 392 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 2: Little bit to do with Alf in those days as well, 393 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 2: talking and Seid of course obviously his boss, about some 394 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 2: of the education reforms and that sort of stuff that 395 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 2: we're putting in a federal level. But I always found 396 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: Alf absolutely a straight shooter, totally professional in his work. 397 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: He wouldn't let politics get in the way of things. 398 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 4: Like well, others will come out and say what they 399 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 4: think happened and shape the narrative, and there'll be one 400 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 4: thing you know about him is he won't come out 401 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 4: and say a word because he'll keep his integrity and 402 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 4: his loyalty intact. 403 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: And that's the way he's always been. 404 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 4: So he's and Dave's right, he seems to be, you know, 405 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 4: it's almost like double jeopard. He's been tried for the 406 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 4: same issue twice and he's lost another job. But one 407 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 4: thing I know about him is he won't you know, 408 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 4: he won't try to save himself by throwing anyone under 409 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 4: a bus. And that's what Elf Leonard's about. 410 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: Well, I tell you, we've just about run out of 411 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: bloody time I've had. I had so many other I 412 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you about the vaccine roll out 413 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: around the nation and claims that you. 414 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 4: Know, that's Prime Minister apologized, he's apologized. He sort of 415 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 4: said sorry. And when people apologize, I sort of drop it. 416 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 4: Then I just think, well, how can we get back 417 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 4: to normal? I worked it out about February that the 418 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 4: only way I was going to get back to Balley 419 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 4: for a bin tang was. 420 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 3: If I've got vaccination, I'm ready to go. I'm on 421 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: one A on. 422 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 4: The first flight to Ballei and everyone's got But you know, Australia, 423 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 4: sometimes I think we're the smartest country in the world, 424 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 4: and other times I think we're as dumb as dog droppings. 425 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 4: And you've got all these vaxines and you've got people 426 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: out processed. 427 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 3: People lining up for testing, only getting tested. Why don't 428 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 3: we just walking along? Jack at the same time, like, 429 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,479 Speaker 3: it's just ridiculous how Australia has gone on. 430 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 2: People have to get a job. If they don't want 431 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: to get a jab, why do they. 432 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,360 Speaker 3: Have to get it? Can just stay then? 433 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 2: Why do they have to start? Why can't they just. 434 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 6: Get sick on you talking about these these people in protesting, 435 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 6: you know, any lockdown protesters. 436 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: I sort of looked at this phone. I said, Oh, 437 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 2: I got to admit mate. I said, I'd probably be 438 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: one of them. You know what, horrorfied. I said. Look, 439 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: I said, this lockdown stuff, it's just gone beyond the pile. 440 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 2: It's just complete, not nonsense. And I think people are 441 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 2: waking up to the fact that it's just complete not nonsense. 442 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 2: Like we've got vaccines, now go and get vaccinated. I'm 443 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: booked in, by the way, on you, so I'm not 444 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: an eighty vaccine. I don't understand why it's got to 445 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 2: be rammed into everybody and they have to get one 446 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: if they don't want to. 447 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 4: It's one question for you, David Toler, and be honest 448 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 4: about this. Are you going to ride your bike down together? 449 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: But he's only training for the short distance. 450 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 3: PLAYO. 451 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: He's skinny of electric bikes. 452 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 3: He's scared of needles. 453 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 4: That's why he doesn't go and get it earlier. 454 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: Will I tell you what? We are going to have 455 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: to leave it there. We've run out of time. It 456 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: is always great to have you two in the studio 457 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: for the biggest you're listening to mix one O four 458 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: point nine. That was the big issues