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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation.

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Speaker 2: Casey Chambers is the darling of Australian country music. She's

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Speaker 2: an ARIA Hall of Famer, a multi platinum singer, songwriter

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Speaker 2: and now listen to what she's adding to her repertoire.

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Speaker 2: She's got a thirteenth album called Backbone. She's got a

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Speaker 2: book apply titled Don't be a Dickhead? Something often say

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Speaker 2: to Jonesy and she's heading out on tour in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five. Casey she is, can we start with the

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Speaker 2: nice introduction this don't be a dickhead? How great were

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Speaker 2: the phrase? Why this my dad?

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Speaker 1: I think it's the best advice my dad has ever

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Speaker 1: given me and other people. It's kind of the only

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Speaker 1: advice he ever says to people. I think, but if

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Speaker 1: you are a dickhead, do you know you're a dickhead? Well?

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably the debatable part, isn't it that

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Speaker 1: everybody's definition of being a dickhead is a little different.

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Speaker 1: I've actually got my definition of being a dickhead in

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Speaker 1: the back of the book. So there's all these chapters

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Speaker 1: about all these lessons that I've learned in my life

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Speaker 1: from experiences. Some are really heartfelt, some are really embarrassing,

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Speaker 1: some are really deep, some are really funny. And then

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Speaker 1: right at the end, you I've sort of listed the

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Speaker 1: things that I think are my definition of being a dickhead.

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Speaker 2: What's on the list.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's things like, you know, abandoning yourself to please

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Speaker 1: other people. Yeah, there's lots of things like, you know,

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Speaker 1: not being able to say no to people, you know,

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Speaker 1: And that's one of my big ones. I've had to

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Speaker 1: I still feel funny when I have to say no

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Speaker 1: just something. I get this little feeling in the pit

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Speaker 1: of my stomach between.

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Speaker 2: Ourselves and yeah, we're exhausted. I Like you said, saying

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Speaker 2: no doesn't make you a dickhead.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's right. And I'm still learning that one. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning all of them. This book started out

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Speaker 1: it wasn't really meant to be a book. It was

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Speaker 1: it was just this list of things that I was

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Speaker 1: writing for myself to live by, to remind myself to

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Speaker 1: you know, be able to say no, be able to

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Speaker 1: get vulnerable when you need to, you know, to set

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Speaker 1: your own boundaries, things like that. And it just eventually

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Speaker 1: turned into a book.

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Speaker 3: And you're getting better at saying.

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Speaker 1: No, I am, but I still have that feeling, and

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Speaker 1: we were listening. My partner and I were listening to

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Speaker 1: this podcast the other day. It was with doctor Joe Despenser,

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Speaker 1: who's one of our favorite to listen to. And one

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Speaker 1: of the things he said, which I bring this into

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Speaker 1: when I say no now, don't forget if you say

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Speaker 1: yes to somebody in front of you, it means you're

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Speaker 1: saying no to something else. It will always mean you're

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Speaker 1: saying no to something else where I put it into

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Speaker 1: practice the other day. I had someone asked me to

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Speaker 1: do something on this day off that I had, and

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Speaker 1: I'd put aside a day off to spend with my

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Speaker 1: kids because I was going off to do a promo tour.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't going to see him for a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, Okay, I'll spend some time with the kids.

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Speaker 1: Somebody else asked me to do something on that day

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Speaker 1: and I went, oh, yeah, yeah, I should do that,

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Speaker 1: and then went, hang on, that's saying no to my kids.

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Speaker 1: I might say yes to this person in front of me,

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Speaker 1: but it's saying no to my kids right now. In

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Speaker 1: the end, they didn't want to hang out with me,

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Speaker 1: you know, teenagers now said the last with their mum.

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Speaker 3: The day off. But it was a really cool thing.

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Speaker 3: My my thing is I'm very optimistic. So if someone

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Speaker 3: says something like, oh, that's going to be cool.

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Speaker 1: But you had to I love saying you know what,

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Speaker 1: I don't care about that because I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 1: care about missing out on any other It just never

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Speaker 1: has bothered me.

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Speaker 2: So tell us about the new album which is out tomorrow. Yes,

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Speaker 2: what's what's going on here?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's connected to the book. So as as this,

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Speaker 1: these little notes and these little lessons were turning into

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Speaker 1: a book, I started realizing that they were these little

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Speaker 1: stories were matching up with a lot of the songs

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Speaker 1: that I've been writing from my new album. And then

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Speaker 1: it started sparking more songs, and then the songs that

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Speaker 1: I was writing for the album it started sparking stories

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Speaker 1: in the book, and it was really connected. And so

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Speaker 1: when you when you buy the book, as you get

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Speaker 1: to the end of a few of the little chapters throughout,

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Speaker 1: there's a little q archide and it can take you

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Speaker 1: you've just read. So it's sort of like a little

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Speaker 1: soundtrack in the book that you get to have the

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Speaker 1: journey in a creative way, like I made it.

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Speaker 3: It's like you when you were a kid and you

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Speaker 3: had the little record and you had.

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Speaker 1: The book, and it's like the little choose your own

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Speaker 1: adventure because if you don't want to listen to my

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Speaker 1: annoying voice sing to you, you can just skip over

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Speaker 1: that and go to the next.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine. I can't imagine anything.

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Speaker 2: There's plenty of them, and you're heading out on tour. Gosh, yes,

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Speaker 2: doing it all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah too. I feel like the tour is kind

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Speaker 1: of like the icing on the cake for me because

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Speaker 1: as much as I love the creative process and I've

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Speaker 1: really loved writing, this book was really different. So I pushed,

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Speaker 1: you know, outside of my boundaries a little bit for me,

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Speaker 1: you know, outside of my comfort zone, and that was

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Speaker 1: really fun. Making the album was amazing for me because

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Speaker 1: I got to produce it myself. And it's really nice

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Speaker 1: that people buy the album, but then when they listen

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Speaker 1: to it in their car, I don't get to have

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Speaker 1: that experience sort of with them, you know, so singing,

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Speaker 1: I mean, unless they want, you, Like, if anyone out

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Speaker 1: there wants me to just come and hang out in

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Speaker 1: their car, yeah, I'll just go for a drive around auction.

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Speaker 3: What if they want what if they want to change stations.

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Speaker 1: Or artists, No, that's not an option.

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Speaker 3: In the boot. Well, Casey, this is great. The album

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Speaker 3: is Backbone, it's out tomorrow. Her book Just Don't Be

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Speaker 3: a Dickhead is available right now. You should write a

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Speaker 3: song about that as well.

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Speaker 1: Mate. I don't know what rhymes with dickheads I'm working on.

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Speaker 3: There could be a co lab with Amanda here.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm ficking through with the word dickhead. To

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Speaker 2: see Jonesi's picture.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean that is uncalled for in front of Casey.

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Speaker 3: Get your tour tickets head to Casey Chambers dot com

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Speaker 3: Casey Chambers, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, appreciate the support. Good on you