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Speaker 1: Well and Woody Podcast Mini.

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Speaker 2: Pick a card, pick a card, pick a card, pick

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Speaker 2: a card, pick a card, pick a card, pick a card.

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Speaker 1: Pick don't believe your thoughts in a heat, pick a

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Speaker 1: card and take a leap.

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Speaker 2: That opener is so niche but so great? Is that

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Speaker 2: a pick apart? It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And for seventy five cent of Australia they don't

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Speaker 1: get that.

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Speaker 2: But for the twenty five percent, the dove, it's all worth.

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Speaker 1: It, the bloody loven and aren't they And the BID's

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Speaker 1: good too. So basically, I mean this is lazy from us.

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Speaker 1: We're effectively playing a game that was created by a

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Speaker 1: psychotherapist called Esther Perel.

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Speaker 2: Love a bit of Esther BP.

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Speaker 1: So what do you know about Esther Perell.

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Speaker 2: She's like the at the forefront of like relationship science

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Speaker 2: and psychology in the world.

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Speaker 1: So she created this card game which effectively stimulates great

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Speaker 1: conversation between you and your partner. And we effectively just

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Speaker 1: we just play her card game. We didn't put a

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Speaker 1: spin on this wonderful beautiful so we always pick a

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Speaker 1: card on.

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Speaker 2: Does that mean we're dating for the next two breaks?

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Speaker 2: I'm your girlfriend?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're okay with it, give my boyfriend. I want

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Speaker 1: to break up with you already.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to break up where before this even started,

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Speaker 2: I was just waiting for the right time.

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Speaker 1: So okay, so let's pick the card for today. And

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Speaker 1: today the card is the last time you felt like

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Speaker 1: an impost. So, by the way, already really did something

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Speaker 1: with you. You are actually taking that jo job. So,

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Speaker 1: by the way, you can join the conversation at any time.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen one oh sixty five is our number. Just the

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Speaker 1: last time you felt like an impost. You've had an

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Speaker 1: emotional response to that?

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Speaker 2: Why? Because I'm a mother and I think like ninety

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Speaker 2: percent of learning to become a mother is feeling like

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Speaker 2: you doing a bad job. Maybe a bad job just

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Speaker 2: like you, someone else would do a better job.

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Speaker 1: Mate.

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Speaker 2: So I guess is what imposter syndrome is, Like I

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be doing this, I'm not ready for this.

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Speaker 1: How did you feel when you fell pregnant? What was

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Speaker 1: your reaction to that? Was that like a big imposter

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Speaker 1: syndrome going on because you were like, I'm not ready

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Speaker 1: for this.

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Speaker 2: When I fell pregnant, I was like, I'm gonna be

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Speaker 2: the best mom ever. And I was like bonded with

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Speaker 2: a baby and it was like this really natural thing.

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Speaker 2: And then when I met Buddy, I was like what

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Speaker 2: am I doing? Like this is a real baby. And

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Speaker 2: I came home, you know, it's like come home from

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Speaker 2: the hospital and like the doctor's aren't with you anymore?

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Speaker 2: In the midwife, Yeah, I feel like imposta yeah, a lot,

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Speaker 2: because you just want to do a great job.

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Speaker 1: Do you think you're a good mum?

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Speaker 2: Now? I know innately I'm a great mom in my

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Speaker 2: own special way. That was where the change had to happen.

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Speaker 2: I'm not like other and I'm like other moms. I'm

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Speaker 2: like regular moms. I'm a cool mom. It was not

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Speaker 2: going on Instagram and see like all the healthy food

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Speaker 2: and the amazing YadA YadA YadA the other moms were doing.

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Speaker 2: That made me feel like crap. Realizing that I my

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Speaker 2: own kind of you know, mum, in my own way,

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Speaker 2: and that's I don't have to emulate anything else or

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Speaker 2: like ascribed to an ideal. The impost I think for

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Speaker 2: a lot of parents, not just mums, And yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think there's a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: What about your maybe so for me, I reckon the

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Speaker 1: last time I felt like an impostor was going on

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Speaker 1: the show, I'm a celebrity, Get me out of here.

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Speaker 1: Why as soon as I arrived, it was just like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a celebrity.

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Speaker 2: Were you worried that you'd be the one that arrived

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Speaker 2: and no one would know who you are?

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Speaker 1: And that did happen, But I wasn't the only one

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Speaker 1: that happened too. But a lot of people didn't know

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Speaker 1: who I was, and I just started thinking that anyone

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Speaker 1: watching the TV show would have been going, who the

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Speaker 1: hell is this guy that's not a celebrity. And then also,

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Speaker 1: you're just sort of sitting around a camp site effectively,

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Speaker 1: and you're going, oh, you've been on the biggest reality

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Speaker 1: show in the world, You've been the top of your

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Speaker 1: game in the AFL, you've been to the Olympics, you're

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Speaker 1: Pete Hellier and do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like you're aware of when you're in there, you were

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Speaker 2: having those thoughts, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Big time. And I actually only opened up to people

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Speaker 1: in there about this right at the end, and then

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Speaker 1: funnily enough, they looked at me and they were like,

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Speaker 1: we we felt like imposters next to you because you're

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Speaker 1: this big radio host, and that for me was totally

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Speaker 1: mind blocked that weird. Yeah, and it is.

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Speaker 2: It's so true that it were like most things in life,

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Speaker 2: all of that self talk do you have about crazy

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Speaker 2: stuff like that? It feels very real and normal to you. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In a minute you tell somebody Sam as being a mom,

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Speaker 2: the minute I tell one of my friends I feel

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Speaker 2: like X y Z, yeah, inevitably someone's going to say

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Speaker 2: I feel exactly the same way.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you have the problem. It's really hear more.

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Speaker 2: Of the boys on the Full Show podcast, all on

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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. Oh, where me get your podcast?