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Speaker 1: Hello Grace, Grace, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Hi Clarity, Hi Lisa.

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Speaker 1: How are you both very well?

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Speaker 2: You were right there in the think of it, I

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Speaker 2: You arrived in Perth in the late seventies because you

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Speaker 3: Correct, I was working my passage.

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Speaker 3: Has a whole new connotation, doesn't It don't really what

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Speaker 2: So she quickly introduced you to Bernie Lynch. Yeah, you

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Speaker 3: That's correct. Well, Bernie had formed a band called Living

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we were. And what a circuit it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Grace, I remember hearing on this radio station ninety

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Speaker 3: The harder I worked like I got yea, So it

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Speaker 2: I'm still loving it, still loving that live connection that

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Speaker 3: I absolutely love that, and that's that's the thing that

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Speaker 2: And it's been lovely to reminisce about those early days

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Speaker 1: Grace yea brilliantly.

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Speaker 3: Don't tell anyone what I should.

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Speaker 1: No, we won't tell a word. Your secret is safe

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Speaker 1: with us. We don't know who to officer Grace night.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thanks Grace so much. We won't

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Speaker 1: tell the text people leave, they're all good bye. Text

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Speaker 1: that that's right, couple of arms.

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Speaker 3: Bye,