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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembro's

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Speaker 1: surprising update about her now defunct active wear brand Jazz

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Speaker 1: hand Fuels, breakup rumors, Abby Chatfield and Adam Hyde address

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Speaker 1: horrendous death threats, and Mikayla Tester's wedding guest list disaster

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Speaker 1: the first. Beck Judd has admitted that she wouldn't let

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Speaker 1: her footballer husband read her DMS, even for a million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I saw the Daily Mail running with this and I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, what is going on in

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Speaker 1: her DMS? And I'm thinking, gosh, it's pretty brave of

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Speaker 1: her to put this out on her podcast that her

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Speaker 1: husband can easily listen to. What's going on. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: all a bit of clickbait, I think from not only

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Speaker 1: the Daily Mail's behalf, but also Beck Judd. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she knows what is going to attract attention because it

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Speaker 1: was all pretty innocent. Let's take a listen to what

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Speaker 1: she actually said. I probably wouldn't let my husband read

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Speaker 1: my last five years of messages. For a million dollars

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Speaker 1: ten million maybe, and it's for the same reason. It's

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Speaker 1: more like I'll send you a thing saying a message

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Speaker 1: that is annoying me. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing I do is I'm obsessed

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Speaker 1: with property and I'm always sending houses to you guys

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Speaker 1: that I want to buy. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: And if he knew all.

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Speaker 1: Of the scheming I was doing behind the scenes, I

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Speaker 1: would be in big trouble. You've got to have event,

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Speaker 1: And it was funny. I was reflecting on all of

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Speaker 1: the messages I wouldn't want people to read in my

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Speaker 1: phone when I was listening to Mom and Miya because

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Speaker 1: they were dissecting all of the celebrity text messages that

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Speaker 1: have recently come out. Of course, we've got an insight

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Speaker 1: into how Blake Lively and Taylor Swift text and they

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Speaker 1: were talking about how a lot of celebrities now won't

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Speaker 1: follow up defamation cases because they don't want the media

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Speaker 1: and general public having access to all their private messages,

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Speaker 1: and how it's quite silly of all of us to

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Speaker 1: put all of these things in writing. However we all

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Speaker 1: do it. I don't really like anyone looking at my phone.

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Speaker 1: Like if I hand my phone over to show someone

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Speaker 1: an Instagram story, and you know, when they physically take

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Speaker 1: the phone away, you feel Uncomfortableah, you start sweating. And

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Speaker 1: it's not because I necessarily have anything bad on there,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just like, I don't want people seeing my

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Speaker 1: messages pop up, or what if they see my screenshots?

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Speaker 1: Like I screenshot a lot of stuff. My eyicloud notified

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Speaker 1: me that it was full. I've got over one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand photos, and forty four thousand of those were screenshots,

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Speaker 1: so I have been having to painstakingly go through them.

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Speaker 1: But there are so many incriminating screenshots you have on

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Speaker 1: your phone. Maybe you send a message to your group

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Speaker 1: chat about something that you've seen on Instagram. Someone I

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Speaker 1: did well spare thought for me in twenty seventeen when

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Speaker 1: I was working at a media organization and it all

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Speaker 1: turned to shit. I ended up having to sue them,

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Speaker 1: but they confiscated my work phone, and I was treating

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Speaker 1: that as if it was a personal phone and not

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Speaker 1: that there was anything incriminating on it. But there was

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Speaker 1: just embarrassing things. I remember back in the day. You

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Speaker 1: obviously can't screenshot on Snapchat But if a guy had

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Speaker 1: sent me a Snapchat and I wanted you guys to

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Speaker 1: my work phone of my personal phone. Like there would

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Speaker 1: have been all this embarrassing stuff that they would have

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Speaker 1: loved to have read through. I was so embarrassing on

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Speaker 1: Snapchat back in the day. I didn't realize that the

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Speaker 1: other person could see if you clicked safe to what

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Speaker 1: they were writing. So when iations with my ex boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: I used to always save the message you fuck. Have

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Speaker 1: you guys thought about ever getting those privacy screens because

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Speaker 1: a few of my friends have them, and you literally

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Speaker 1: cannot see what someone is looking at if you're sitting

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Speaker 1: next to My husband has one, which makes it sound sass,

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Speaker 1: but it actually came with the phone, and he hates

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Speaker 1: it because we're we trying to show each other. He's

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Speaker 1: always like, have you seen my reel that I've sent you?

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Speaker 1: What's another really embarrassing one is when people say, oh,

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Speaker 1: can I just search something oh Google, and you're like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, what are my Google search? On Instagram?

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Speaker 1: That we're on Instagram if you catch up for coffee

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Speaker 1: with someone. Sometimes I'll have looked at that Instagram before

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Speaker 1: going for some particular reason, and then you're like, oh

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Speaker 1: looking at their page. Well, I've found since having a baby,

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Speaker 1: you've constantly got your baby monitor on your phone screen

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Speaker 1: out because I think I had complained about Reese to

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Speaker 1: one of you, something he done very minor, and then

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Speaker 1: baby monitor and the message came through and he's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're bitching about me.

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Speaker 1: Do do you know what? I can't actually imagine how nerve

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Speaker 1: racking it would be if you were legitimately cheating on

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Speaker 1: your partner and they got ahold of your phone, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, how do people in those

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Speaker 1: situations actually one live with themselves, but two have the

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Speaker 3: Get dressed with me so tired, I have to checked

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Speaker 3: I've been seeing really baud the past few nights, but

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Speaker 3: my mom says that means someone's thinking about you, so

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Speaker 4: Then.

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Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro has provided a surprising up date about her

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Speaker 1: now defunct active where brand Saski. Since announcing the brand's

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Speaker 1: shop closure in late December, she remained silent on the

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Speaker 1: topic until now, Kate, can you tell us more? Well?

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Speaker 1: When the news broke that Saski was shutting down, a

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Speaker 1: lot of people were surprised there was no final sale.

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of comments from fans of the

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Speaker 1: brand saying how disappointed they were because they wanted to

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Speaker 1: stock up on their favorite pieces. Now those people can

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Speaker 1: rejoice because Tammy announced on Instagram stories that her followers

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Speaker 1: can now purchase final products from Saski from a shop

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Speaker 1: called Thrifter. So, for those not familiar with Thrifter, it's

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Speaker 1: a pre loved thrift studio where people can rent a

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Speaker 1: a pretty cheap way for Tammy to get rid of

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Speaker 1: this stock and also make money on it because you

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Speaker 1: get one hundred percent of the sales. I wonder how

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Speaker 1: many times they're planning on topping up this rack though,

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Speaker 1: because surely they have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

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Speaker 1: really bizarre? I read a lot of people were saying, well,

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Speaker 1: why doesn't she just donate the clothes? She's a millionaire.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Tammy is not as well off as we all think,

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Speaker 1: because why would she Even if you're worth fifty million dollars,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you think this would be a complete waste of time. Well,

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Speaker 1: back in December, we spoke about this very thing on

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Speaker 1: the podcast about how okay. Well, the AFR may say, well, look,

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Speaker 1: she's worth fifty million dollars, but that's clearly in assets

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Speaker 1: is a really clever move from Tammy. It's such a

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Speaker 1: She doesn't have to worry about the logistics of sending

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Speaker 1: them on this rack. Secondly, Tammy knows pr if she

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Speaker 1: was to just dump these clothes at Vinnie's or another

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Speaker 1: No one wanted them. Well, we actually saw that play

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Speaker 1: out probably like five years ago now, when Beck Judd

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Speaker 1: celeb spellcheck, and it was obvious that she had dropped

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Speaker 1: and it's pretty easy on her behalf, like she just

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Speaker 1: to me. While we're talking about Tammy, did you see

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Speaker 1: she took a swipe at Matt Sakowski on TikTok the

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Speaker 1: other day. I must have missed this. It is hard

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Speaker 1: She uploaded a video miming to this trending sound you.

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Speaker 3: See the women I dated after you, Yeah, they only

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Speaker 4: They were like, Oh, I guess he must have something.

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Speaker 1: At first, I was like, oh, has Matt been spotted

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Speaker 1: with someone? But then I noticed a comment that said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're only on the show because you dated me, and

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Speaker 1: that comment got a lot of like So I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: that this was more a potshot saying, look, you're getting

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Speaker 1: a bit too big for your boots. The only reason

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Speaker 1: you're on I'm a Celeb is because of me. Because

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Speaker 1: she must be getting frustrated. All he seems to do

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Speaker 1: is talk about her on the show. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously there's hours and hours of footage. The producers are

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Speaker 1: going to be selecting the bits where he talks about Tammy.

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Speaker 1: But he did this stand up show in the Jungle,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of the jokes were centered around him

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Speaker 1: being in a really unhappy marriage, and I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: come on, you need a bit more material than that.

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Speaker 1: And as we said in the subs episode, the tide

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Speaker 1: does seem to be turning, and there is a lot

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Speaker 1: of support for Matt Sakowski. He's getting the nice guy

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Speaker 1: edit and it's making people question Tammy. Well, he actually

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Speaker 1: got kicked off on Wednesday night, so I'm guessing Tammy

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Speaker 1: is relieved. I saw a article floating around from pedestrian

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Speaker 1: saying that Tammy is getting ready to dish the dirt

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Speaker 1: on her side of the story on her upcoming Channel

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Speaker 1: nine show Shark, so it would be very interesting to

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Speaker 1: see what comes out on there. Tammy's also been dropping

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Speaker 1: a couple of clues about her dating life on TikTok,

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Speaker 1: revealed that she and her husband Dalton changed their minds

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Speaker 1: on their baby name at the very last minute, gate

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Speaker 1: so much so that Laura's best friend and business partner,

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Speaker 1: Steph cles Smith had actually got a personalized item for

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Speaker 1: her with this name on it. They had been referring

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Speaker 1: to the baby by this name the whole pregnancy, so

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Speaker 1: that name was Theodore, which made a lot more sense

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Speaker 1: because leading into the birth, Laura spoke about how her

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Speaker 1: and Dalton had chosen this name and they'd agreed upon

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Speaker 1: it because there were a lot of different nicknames the

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Speaker 1: baby could be called. So she said, Okay, a lot

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Speaker 1: of you will probably confuse when we drop the name Atlas,

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Speaker 1: because you know, let's be realist, there's hardly any nicknames.

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Speaker 1: But she really liked the fact that with Theodore you

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Speaker 1: could call him ted because she loves ted Lasso or

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Speaker 1: Teddy or Theo. There were so many different names, and

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Speaker 1: as someone who had a cat called Theodore, I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, it's such a good name, and a

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Speaker 1: cat called Teddy our parents had Teddy. I'm actually disappointed

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Speaker 1: because I love the name Theodore. I'm a fan of

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Speaker 1: traditional names, but I feel for poor Steph clair Smith.

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Speaker 1: You were actually almost in a similar situation, Kate, when

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Speaker 1: you were get picking out a present for me, because

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Speaker 1: at the last minute I was like, oh, my gosh,

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Speaker 1: should his middle name be Archie, after our dog or

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Speaker 1: should we name him after my dad? Controversially, you did

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Speaker 1: keep Luca's middle name as your dog. Yeah, because you

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Speaker 1: messaged me and he said, Sophie, I've already got something

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Speaker 1: printed with Luca Archie. No, don't blame me. I didn't

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Speaker 1: say that. I brought it into hospital and said, well,

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Speaker 1: thank goodness you kept the name. Because I'd already got

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Speaker 1: this personalized. It wouldn't really have told me ahead of time.

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Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh god, well, if people

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Speaker 1: have got stuff printed, I can't change.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I love the name Luka Archie anyway, but

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Speaker 1: it's it is hard when you do go into a

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Speaker 1: pregnancy calling the child one name, and then they're born

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Speaker 1: and you're like, hold on, this kid looks like a difference.

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Speaker 1: Why it's quite popular not to tell anyone the name beforehand,

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Speaker 1: because not only do you avoid having unsolicited opinions about

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Speaker 1: the names, but also you avoid people wasting money on

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Speaker 1: personalized gift. It's pretty sweet because when Laura saw Atlas

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Speaker 1: for the first time, she said he had to be

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Speaker 1: called Atlas because he was their whole world, and it

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Speaker 1: just made more sense. Before we get into the next one,

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Speaker 1: we just want to issue a warning as we do

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Speaker 1: discuss suicide. Abby Chatfield's boyfriend Adam Hyde, has opened up

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Speaker 1: about the escalating abuse he's been receiving online. Speaking on

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Speaker 1: Abby's podcast It's a Lot, Adam detailed a disturbing incident

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Speaker 1: where he was followed by a car full of men

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Speaker 1: who threatened to kill him. Let's take a listen to

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Speaker 1: what he said.

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Speaker 2: One car came past and I kind of just heard

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Speaker 2: yelling and there was screen ming homophobic slurs, really really

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Speaker 2: bad words mixed mixed with like death threats, bashing threats

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Speaker 2: all in the one and there was like it was

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Speaker 2: a full car, and I was like, huh. I was

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Speaker 2: kind of like looking at him, and one of the

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Speaker 2: dudes had his phone out and I was just like staring.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I was confused first and foremost, I

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Speaker 2: was like and I looked around, I was the only

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Speaker 2: one on the street, and I was like so I

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Speaker 2: just kept looking at him like yeah, And then they

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Speaker 2: went around the roundabout and then another car came behind

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Speaker 2: them and started doing the same thing. Convoy of inserts

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Speaker 2: the convoy of in cells were like, We're gonna fucking

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Speaker 2: kill you bro, You fucking you know, saying crazy words

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Speaker 2: that I don't want to repeat.

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Speaker 1: That is absolutely appalling, But sadly, I'm not surprised because

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Speaker 1: the vitriol aimed at Abby and Adam online at the

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Speaker 1: moment is next level. So there are these viral videos

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Speaker 1: currently circulating by comedian Elliot Loney. So the TikToker has

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Speaker 1: been gaining a lot of traction online to sharing these

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Speaker 1: videos of himself impersonating Adam with an AI filter. And

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Speaker 1: it was really interesting to hear what Abby thought about

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Speaker 1: these videos because they've been floating around for a number

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Speaker 1: of months, and normally Abby would instantly respond to these

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Speaker 1: type of videos, but she hasn't. Yeah, and it actually

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Speaker 1: led a lot of people to speculate that she found

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Speaker 1: the videos amusing. However, Abby and Adam set the records straight,

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Speaker 1: labeling the creator a wanna bee comedian who was only

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Speaker 1: capable of gaining clout off Adam's name. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: If you're going to do one video, sure, there are

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Speaker 5: multiple different people doing upwards of ten videos about Some

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Speaker 5: of them are just screaming about us and there's no basis.

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Speaker 5: And I find it very interesting that these are the

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Speaker 5: same kinds of people, the same kind of corner of

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Speaker 5: the Internet that often speak about men's mental health, yet

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Speaker 5: they're okay to degrade men for speaking with vulnerability. This

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Speaker 5: person has put a belt around his neck in applying

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Speaker 5: that I am abusing Adam physically, I would say that's

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Speaker 5: the implication that I get from it. I know about you, guys,

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Speaker 5: But if the idea is that I'm controlling you and

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Speaker 5: that you're my cuck and there's a belt around your neck, that,

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Speaker 5: in my opinion, implies from what where I'm sitting that

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Speaker 5: I'm physically abusing you.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I remember waking up and it was a

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Speaker 2: video of my face and it did look like me.

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Speaker 2: I was like, what the hell? And he's like choking,

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Speaker 2: like hanging himself with a belt. And I've lost a

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Speaker 2: lot of people in my life to suicide, and every

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Speaker 2: day I think about my best friend who I lost

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Speaker 2: when I was seventeen, who hung himself, so to me

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Speaker 2: to play around with that kind of imagery, it's not

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Speaker 2: fucking on at all. And you know that really like

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Speaker 2: really hurts. You know, it's just like, why are you

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Speaker 2: doing this?

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Speaker 1: It was really interesting to hear Adam and Abby addresses

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Speaker 1: videos because as you mentioned, so a lot of people

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Speaker 1: assume that they found them amusing, and I do need

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Speaker 1: to admit on this podcast we discussed that we got

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a giggle out of them, but

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Speaker 1: I think since then they have been escalating to a

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Speaker 1: new level. And I mean, you know, one off video

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Speaker 1: here and there is quite funny, but as they pointed out,

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Speaker 1: they've taken them a bit too far now. Lastly, Molly

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Speaker 1: Maya has surprised everyone by announcing she's appearing on a

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Speaker 1: reality show, and it is not Love Island All Stars. Sadly,

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Speaker 1: she is going to be on the new series of

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Speaker 1: Celebrity Great British Bake Off. This actually makes a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense for her brand because on her YouTube channel

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Speaker 1: every year she makes her daughter Bambi a special birthday

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Speaker 1: cake from the UK's equivalent of the Women's Weekly Cookbook,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like people love the fact that she's

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Speaker 1: got all the money in the world to buy flash cakes,

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Speaker 1: but she's happy to bake one at home and they're

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Speaker 1: actually pretty good cakes. I love how organic this is

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Speaker 1: because over the last couple of years she's shared on

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Speaker 1: her YouTube that she's really getting into baking and it's

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Speaker 1: so sweet. She brought herself a kitchen aid and she's

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Speaker 1: been teaching herself how to cook and it's so relatable

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Speaker 1: because they're not really flashy things. They're just simple things like,

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Speaker 1: you know, a banana cake or cupcakes. Well, she actually

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Speaker 1: told her followers this week that she didn't want to

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Speaker 1: be dramatic but appearing on the British Bake Off was

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Speaker 1: one of the best experiences of her life, and she

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Speaker 1: said that she tried to play it really cool, but

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Speaker 1: as a super fan of the show, she never wanted

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Speaker 1: it to end. Now she is appearing alongside Jojo Siwa,

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Speaker 1: which is a bizarre mash up to me. They seem

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Speaker 1: like they're on two totally different planets. Well, joj as

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Speaker 1: Siewa has a connection to the UK because off the

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Speaker 1: back of being on the UK Big Brother she is

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Speaker 1: of course dating Chris Hughes. We have spoken at length

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Speaker 1: about them on the podcast I'm actually really excited by

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Speaker 1: the rest of the cast because we've got Vicki Patterson

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Speaker 1: from Jeordie Show. Also Amy's celebrity crush, Mark Wright, who

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Speaker 1: used to be on the Only Way of Essex. There's

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Speaker 1: also another nostalgic one for us, Ralph Little, who played

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Speaker 1: Anthony on Colt classic The Royal Family.

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Speaker 5: To show up. Anthony, shut your doub when you're eating.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait. I'm hoping that I can get this

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Speaker 1: on a streaming service somewhere. I'm pretty sure it's on Netflix. Well,

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Speaker 1: that is all we have time for today. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us for this episode. If you

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Speaker 1: have enjoyed it, could you please make sure you are

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Speaker 1: we're going to leave things today. But if you want

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