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Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, jar Da Tunci's Extravagant Christmas

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Speaker 1: wish List, the Wiggles doco Sparking Joy, and Kim Kardashian's Nipplebra.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.

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Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop cocktre

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Speaker 1: news twice a week. I'm Sophie Tuba and over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: millennials have been spiraling because, according to Sophia Richie concealer,

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Speaker 1: lips are back in. What this is ridiculous? Like, how

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Speaker 1: can that be brought back in? Wasn't that a mistake

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Speaker 1: that we made twelve fifteen years ago that we'd never

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Speaker 1: want to talk about again. I have a different opinion.

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Speaker 1: I think this is great news because often I forget

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Speaker 1: to put lipstick on when I actually go out, so

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Speaker 1: it's not it's not a no lipstick look. It's literally

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Speaker 1: your lips being a lighter shade than your foundation. Because

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Speaker 1: this was hugely popular back in the two thousands, when

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Speaker 1: you were going out to a nightclub or even to

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Speaker 1: the office, you would put Conceala on your lips as

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Speaker 1: a bit of a nude lip. I saw a go

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Speaker 1: on TikTok and she thought that she was putting on

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Speaker 1: lipstick at a nightclub and she realized that she was

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Speaker 1: actually putting on concealer, and the look on her face

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Speaker 1: when she discovered it looked so messed up. But the

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Speaker 1: thing is, it wasn't just people putting concealer on their lips.

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Speaker 1: All of those lighter lipstick colors were also in fashion.

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Speaker 1: I remember looking through my makeup and you know when

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Speaker 1: you're like, I better throw some of this shit out.

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Speaker 1: It's like ten years old, and some of the colors

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Speaker 1: were so bad. This new Conceala look has evolved a bit,

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Speaker 1: so it's not as terrible as what it was in

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Speaker 1: the two thousand. So Sophia was taking her followers through

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Speaker 1: how to achieve what she described as the perfect pumpkin

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Speaker 1: spice lip, and she finished by dabbing Conceala on her lips,

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Speaker 1: so it was just a little bit of concealer, and

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Speaker 1: she described it as the cherry on top of the look.

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Speaker 1: I can understand when people do that ombre lipstick look

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Speaker 1: where they have maybe a nude color and then a

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Speaker 1: lighter color in the middle, but there's just something so

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Speaker 1: wrong about actually putting concealer on your lip. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: what it was because you're supposed to wear a lot

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Speaker 1: of lipliner around it, and it's supposed to be a

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Speaker 1: bit shaded. But I definitely don't think that I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be incorporating this into my everyday makeup. We we're

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Speaker 1: talking about, Saphie, you are the exact person who would

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Speaker 1: start copying this onek.

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Speaker 2: I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Speaker 1: The world is still reeling after the tragic death of

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Speaker 1: Matthew Perry, the Friend's actor best known for playing Chandler

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Speaker 1: Bing died on Saturday night at his home in Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles at the age of fifty four. Kay, I am

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Speaker 1: still in shock over this news. Oh, it definitely hasn't

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Speaker 1: sunk in. And we were actually on the phone together

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Speaker 1: when we found out the news. I remember you saw

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Speaker 1: it on a forum and you're like, is this actually

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Speaker 1: true because there are a lot of those hoax reports

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Speaker 1: that go out, and I was like, surely it's not true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I definitely thought it was a hoax as well. I

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Speaker 1: kept searching, just hoping that it wasn't true, and someone

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Speaker 1: put it so well. I saw on Instagram they wrote

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Speaker 1: that we've all lost a friend tonight, and that's definitely

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Speaker 1: how it felt, because I think for a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: Friends is their comfort show, and so many people watch

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Speaker 1: it every single night to either fall asleep or just

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Speaker 1: part of their routine, and I think it's just not

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Speaker 1: going to be the same. Yeah, I found myself loved

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Speaker 1: last night watching a lot of old interviews with Matthew Perry,

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Speaker 1: and it's almost you go through this strange feeling because

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Speaker 1: obviously we don't know. I've never met Matthew Perry, but

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Speaker 1: you are, as you said, mourning the loss of a friend,

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Speaker 1: and you're almost trying to search for answers as to

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Speaker 1: why something like this or how something that this could happen.

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Speaker 1: I think what's really sad is when the news first broke,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people assume that his death had something

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Speaker 1: to do with drugs, because he has been very open

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Speaker 1: in the past about his issue with addiction. Well, what

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Speaker 1: we know so far is that police were called to

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Speaker 1: Matthew Perry's house at four pm on Saturday afternoon, and

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Speaker 1: it appears it was Matthew Perry's PA that made the call,

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Speaker 1: and this was after the PA came home and found

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Speaker 1: Matthew unresponsive in his jacuzzi. And there are reports that

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Speaker 1: Matthew Perry suffered cardiac arrest while in the jacuzzie. It's

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Speaker 1: also being reported by the media that Matthew had played

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Speaker 1: a two hour game of pickleball before his death. There

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Speaker 1: were a lot of paparazzi photos of him actually playing.

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Speaker 1: I just feel sick seeing paparazzi photos of someone before

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Speaker 1: their death. I think it's quite inappropriate to put those

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Speaker 1: photos out. I mean, there's obviously a lot of interest

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Speaker 1: in this story, and what concerns me is how far

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Speaker 1: the media is going to go. I've seen photos this

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Speaker 1: morning of Matthew Perry's mum and dad out the front

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Speaker 1: of Matthew's house, just hours after finding out about his death,

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Speaker 1: and they looked absolutely devastated, understandably, and I just thought

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Speaker 1: there needs to be some respect. Obviously, this is a

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Speaker 1: huge story and the world is interested, but how far

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Speaker 1: do you go? Because TMZ they've already put up the

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Speaker 1: nine to one one call online. Well, TMZ were the

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Speaker 1: first to break the news of Matthew Perry's death, and

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Speaker 1: I'm very interested to know how they actually found out

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Speaker 1: because there was no official statement. Usually we see an

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Speaker 1: official statement from someone's family or publicist but that hadn't

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Speaker 1: come out there. Well, remember when Kobe Bryant died and

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Speaker 1: there were a lot of police who were leaking awful photos.

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Speaker 2: They've since been sued.

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Speaker 1: So it makes you wonder when the police are involved.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the call out has gone out and there's so

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Speaker 1: many people who are aware of it and someone's got

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Speaker 1: a media contact. Yeah, people are tipping off the media.

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Speaker 1: It does remind me when we were growing up. We

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Speaker 1: used to watch Entertainment Tonight and I recall when Spig

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Speaker 1: celebrities died, they would just go on and on and

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Speaker 1: on about it for months and months. And I can

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Speaker 1: just see this happening with Matthew Perry because while I

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Speaker 1: did like a lot of the videos that were going

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Speaker 1: up on TikTok, there is a line that is crossed

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Speaker 1: where people are just doing it to get extra views

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Speaker 1: and it's almost like pulling on people's heart strings too much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit sick.

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Speaker 1: It's really eerie as well, because the last photo he

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Speaker 1: shared was of himself in a jacuzzi.

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Speaker 2: These aren't going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian has taken her marketing of skims to a

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Speaker 1: whole new level. She's launched a bra that has built

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Speaker 1: in nipples, and the kicker is she's using global warming

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Speaker 1: as a reason to buy it.

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Speaker 2: Let's throw to the clip ear.

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Speaker 3: It's temperature is getting harder and harder, the sea levels

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Speaker 3: are rising, the ace sheets are shrinking. And I'm not

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Speaker 3: a scientist, but I do believe everyone can use their

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Speaker 3: skill set to do their part. That's why I'm introducing

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Speaker 3: a brand new bra with a built in nipple, so

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Speaker 3: no matter how hard it is, you'll always look called.

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Speaker 3: Some days are hard, but these nipples are harder and

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Speaker 3: unlike the icebergs, these aren't going anywhere. The Skim's ultimate

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Speaker 3: nipple braw.

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Speaker 1: I just love that Kim is happy to poke fun

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Speaker 1: at herself, no pun intended. I do feel like she

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Speaker 1: was almost putting on a Paris Hilton persona during that

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Speaker 1: quick Well. She used that voice all throughout the first

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Speaker 1: series of The Kardashians. I did see a lot of

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Speaker 1: people commenting that it almost came across as an SNL skit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it did have those vibes. It was actually written by

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Speaker 1: a comedian, Michelle Wolf, so Kim didn't come up with

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Speaker 1: all of those funny lines. Don't know if I find

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Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian funny though it's sort of similar to SNL. Like,

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Speaker 1: I didn't laugh once at her skit, but I appreciate

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Speaker 1: what she's trying to do. Yeah. Well, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people were asking if it was some kind of April

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Speaker 1: Fool's joke. It's pretty funny because someone likened it to

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Speaker 1: that scene in Me and Girls where Regina George has

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Speaker 1: that singlet with holes cut out and starts this massive trend. Well,

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Speaker 1: when I saw the video, I did think, is this

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Speaker 1: actually a product that she's bringing out or just a

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Speaker 1: piss tape. No, it is definitely real because a lot

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Speaker 1: of people like that briarless look, but then they want

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Speaker 1: to actually have their boobs supported as well.

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Speaker 2: I think this is going to sell out.

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of women also commenting and saying

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Speaker 1: that this is great for women who've had misectomies. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it also reminds me. I know we were talking about

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Speaker 1: Friends before, but on Friends, Jennifer Annison always had perfect

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Speaker 1: boobs and you could always see her nipples through her top.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, though, because this isn't a thing that Kim

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Speaker 1: Kardashian has invented. Back in the nineteen sixties and seventies,

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Speaker 1: they actually did have these nipple bras as well, so

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Speaker 1: she's really bringing it back. Your stick on nipples were

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Speaker 1: just something that she's reinvented, and she has done it

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Speaker 1: in a clever way. Because we're all talking about this video. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Jarda Tuint. She is dropping hints on an Instagram story

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Speaker 1: about what she'd liked to find under her Christmas tree.

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Speaker 1: She shared a photo of a Cartier watch and wrote

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Speaker 1: today I made a very optimistic Christmas wish list and

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Speaker 1: tagged the brand. I'm guessing she's either dropping hints to

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Speaker 1: the brand or to her husband Lockie. Is there any

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Speaker 1: potential that this could be a paid sponsored opportunity. Maybe

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Speaker 1: she's been told by the brand to start posting about

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Speaker 1: them as a perfect Christmas gift. Well, it's not really

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Speaker 1: a perfect Christmas gift because the watch costs fifty two

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, so I don't know who is actually going

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Speaker 1: to be putting this on their wish It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like our discussion a couple of weeks ago about snaz

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Speaker 1: Jana having a eight hundred dollars pair of jeans and

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Speaker 1: what's the point of her promoting that to her audience

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Speaker 1: who probably can't afford it. But for Jarday, she does

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Speaker 1: quite often promote high end luxury brand, so she must

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Speaker 1: have some sort of audience who do then click onto

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Speaker 1: those brands and actually purchase them. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: making the promotion around this being an item that you

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Speaker 1: want for Chris dismiss something that is relatable or really reasonable,

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Speaker 1: particularly in the cost of living crisis. I'm guessing that

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Speaker 1: Lockie is hoping that Cartier comes through with the goods

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Speaker 1: because he would not want to be buying This is

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Speaker 1: becoming a pet peeve of mine though. People trying to

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Speaker 1: get free shit, so they put up a question box

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Speaker 1: and say, oh, what sort of pram should I get

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Speaker 1: or what sort of paint should I use for my renovation?

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is. It's called google, Yeah, it's.

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Speaker 1: Google it, or ask a friend, because at the end

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Speaker 1: brought the colors in because they thought that the kids

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Speaker 1: wouldn't remember their names, but they could remember which color

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Speaker 1: they are. So that's how it all started, the Yellow Wiggle,

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Speaker 1: the Blue Wiggle. It's wild that the most unpopular color

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Speaker 1: became the person who was the lead singer in the group,

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Speaker 1: and now all of the new Wiggles members coming.

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Speaker 2: Forward to be yellow.

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Speaker 1: Because I've always had a soft spot for Greg, which

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Speaker 1: is why it was so interesting to find out more

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Speaker 1: about why he left the Wiggles in two thousand and six.

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Speaker 1: So it couldn't have been worse timing for the group

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Speaker 1: because they were absolutely dominating in the US, so much

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Speaker 1: so that they sold out Madison Square Gardens twelve times over,

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Speaker 1: and they were performing these big back to back shows

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Speaker 1: and there was so much high energy in their performance.

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Speaker 1: And it all started when Greg actually passed out at

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Speaker 1: one show, so they originally thought he'd passed out from exhaustion,

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Speaker 1: but it kept happening. Yeah, they eventually discovered that he

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Speaker 1: had a condition called orthostatic intolerance, which makes performing very difficult.

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Speaker 1: So basically, for Greg, his heart can't pump enough blood

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Speaker 1: around his body when he stands up, which then causes

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Speaker 1: him to lose balance and feint. And the condition is

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Speaker 1: not life threatening, but it's one that Greg has to

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Speaker 1: manage for the rest of his life. And he was

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Speaker 1: only thirty four when he made the decision to leave

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Speaker 1: the group. So he did pass the yellow skin give

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Speaker 1: it on to Sam Moran, and in the documentary you

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Speaker 1: can tell that that is quite a touchy subject still

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Speaker 1: for Sam, because just five years later Greg decided that

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Speaker 1: he wanted to come back and they pretty much just

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Speaker 1: discarded Sam.

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Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, Greg said, that's actually just how.

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Speaker 1: The media reported on it, and it wasn't actually true.

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Speaker 1: What I was shocked about was that they said that

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Speaker 1: Greg had actually signed his way out of the business,

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Speaker 1: So I was like, well, what did that mean when

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Speaker 1: he came back like he was still getting royalty. He's

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Speaker 1: one part of the documentary that they could have improved

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Speaker 1: was going more into the business side of things, because

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Speaker 1: surely Greg would have still had royalties to all of

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Speaker 1: the music because he was involved in creating the songs.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they meant that he'd signed his way out of

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Speaker 1: having any calling any shots when it came to business,

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Speaker 1: or they actually said that they paid him out. So

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Speaker 1: I wonder how that worked when he wanted to come back. Well,

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Speaker 1: it was the first time that the Wiggles received any

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Speaker 1: real negative publicity when Sam left the group, and I

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Speaker 1: went back and had a look. And there's an article

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Speaker 1: from twenty twelve in the Daily Telegraph and it said

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Speaker 1: that Sam was ostracized by the other Wiggles and nicknamed

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Speaker 1: the salary Wiggles. So he reportedly was on two hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year, which was just a fraction of

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Speaker 1: the twenty eight point two million dollars that the band

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Speaker 1: was making. See, I don't have a problem with them

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Speaker 1: giving him a salary because the Wiggles were already at

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Speaker 1: their peak of popularity. It's not like Sam helped build

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Speaker 1: them up and make them successful. I mean it would

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Speaker 1: be difficult though, if you're the only one not getting

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Speaker 1: as much and you're out touring because it's quite clear

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Speaker 1: how much they were touring because they were spending a

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Speaker 1: lot of time away from their families and young kids.

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Speaker 1: I found that whole discussion about them spending time away

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Speaker 1: from their families quite awkward because it was clear there

498
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Speaker 1: was a bit of a resentment coming from the Wiggles kids.

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Speaker 1: And can you imagine being their kids and seeing them

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Speaker 1: out spending all this time entertaining other children and making

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Speaker 1: them happy, and you're at home without your dad. It

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Speaker 1: would be really hard as a kid. I remember Murray

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Speaker 1: saying in the documentary that his child was saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: I hate music now because it takes daddy away, and

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Speaker 1: that was a sign for him where he's like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I've got to stop touring. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: their kids actually grew up watching The Wiggles, because obviously

508
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Speaker 1: parents just pop it on every parent in Australia have

509
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Speaker 1: their kids. They actually did because Anthony's daughter, who ironically

510
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Speaker 1: is now a Wiggle herself, she was saying that she

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Speaker 1: couldn't quite work out why her dad was also the

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Speaker 1: Blue Wheel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, I couldn't.

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Speaker 1: I got so confused with dad and Anthony And now

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Speaker 1: that she is also a blue Wiggle because now they've

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Speaker 1: got a set of each color. Yeah, so she's a

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Speaker 1: blue Wiggle and she said it's really weird for her

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Speaker 1: to call her dad Anthony on the show we can't

519
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Speaker 1: not talk about the Wiggles Live show. How funny was

520
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: it seeing thirty to forty year olds absolutely going nuts

521
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Speaker 1: for hot tail for salad, They knew all of the moves,

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Speaker 1: the people dressed as Dorothy the Dinosaur. I'm hanging out

523
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Speaker 1: for a High Five reunion because I think that the

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Speaker 1: High Five songs were almost for a bit of an

525
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Speaker 1: older demographic, whereas I don't know if I could get

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Speaker 1: as behind like.

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Speaker 2: A fruit saladtong.

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Speaker 1: I kind of get it though, because if he went

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Speaker 1: to say a nightclub and the Wiggles came on, I

530
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Speaker 1: mean we were at a pub crawl when there were

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Speaker 1: the Wiggles were out and about having drinks, and think

532
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Speaker 1: how excited everyone was.

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Speaker 2: Do we have to mention that story again?

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Speaker 1: Last time we mentioned it it got picked up in

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Speaker 1: the Daily Male, and I feel like, maybe we've got

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Speaker 1: one journal who listens to this who might find it

537
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Speaker 1: funny again now that the Wiggles are in just recurred

538
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Speaker 1: to take that story yeah, just a bit of a well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the pre story is pretty brief. We met

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Speaker 1: them at a journalism pub crawl. Yeah, and they were

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Speaker 1: so chilled and down to earth. And I recently read

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Speaker 1: in an article that Anthony said that people find it

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Speaker 1: weird when they see him out having a.

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Speaker 2: Beer and like, oh wait, you're having a beer, and

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Speaker 2: he's like, I'm not a child. I do go out

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Speaker 2: and have a good.

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Speaker 1: D It was a bit like our chat with Nathan

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Speaker 1: from High five. He said he experienced the same thing.

549
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Speaker 1: So when we met the Wiggles, it was Anthony, Murray

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Speaker 1: and Sa.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Jeff wasn't there. He's probably asleep.

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Speaker 1: And I remember that somehow they managed to follow our

553
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: Facebook accounts even though we didn't tell them out look

554
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Speaker 1: to be fair, I think it was just Sam and

555
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: the dog. Yeah, so Wags was there, and we've now

556
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Speaker 1: been friends with Wags for probably over ten years.

557
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Speaker 2: I've seen him get married, have kids. They were all

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Speaker 2: the loveliest guys. They were so nice.

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Speaker 1: I remember they were like, if you ever need to

560
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Speaker 1: interview us for anything, maybe we need to do our

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Speaker 1: own deep.

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Speaker 2: So I actually would love that. Let's get onto that.

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Speaker 1: Sam Moran seems to have his own story. They didn't

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Speaker 1: get told that documentary. A lot of people were saying

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Speaker 1: that maybe Emma the Yellow Wiggle also has a story

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Speaker 1: to tell, because she did. She was in the doco,

567
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Speaker 1: but she didn't upload anything to Instagram to promote it,

568
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Speaker 1: and she also wasn't at the premiere of it. But

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Speaker 1: isn't Emma married to Sam nine.

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Speaker 2: No Amy a lot of mums at home. No, So

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Speaker 2: Emma was married to the Purple Wiggle who's called Lockie.

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Speaker 1: So they started dating in twenty fifteen. They then got

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Speaker 1: engaged in twenty sixteen, but then everything fell apart and

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Speaker 1: they got divorced two years later. So they had to

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Speaker 1: perform together in the Wiggles for three years until Emmett

576
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Speaker 1: then lest it was a bit of a Nathan Kelly

577
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Speaker 1: high five man. Yeah, they did sort of briefly touch

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Speaker 1: on it in the doco and she said, oh, you know,

579
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Speaker 1: we were just very professional, But I mean, yeah, I

580
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Speaker 1: think probably more went on behind the scenes there. What

581
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Speaker 1: about the absolute blasphemy when they changed wake Up Jeff

582
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Speaker 1: to wake Up Locky.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that happened. Yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 1: Jeff was like, I like to think that the kids

585
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Speaker 1: enjoyed the first version a bit more.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't Jeff just a legend as well? I love him

587
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: so much.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that is all we have time for today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for today's show.

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Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to

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