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Speaker 1: Senator Price. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie, good.

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Speaker 1: To have you on the show. Now, Senator, what do

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm very pleased that the party has made a

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Speaker 2: It's a huge matter and this proposal is, in our

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Speaker 2: view as a party, undemocratic. It provides for not one

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Speaker 1: I know the move obviously means that it's going to

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it's an important motive to stand up,

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Speaker 1: What if the government does come forward with that further information.

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Speaker 2: Well, the very first principle that I disagree with is

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Speaker 1: Now, Senator what do you think this is going to mean.

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Speaker 1: Have you spoken to the CLP, to the opposition leader

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Speaker 2: Look, we've had plenty of discussions about issues that are

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Speaker 1: So I suppose what I'm getting to is, do you

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Speaker 1: Now separately, we know the Country Liberal Party has endorsed

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Speaker 1: I apologize if I've pronounced that incorrectly as the candidate

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Speaker 2: And so I'm very proud of the fact that Leslie

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be interesting. It's certainly going to

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Speaker 2: Well, I certainly haven't attacked anybody other than Labor when

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Speaker 2: That's certainly not what's happened.

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Speaker 2: Well? I think people need to come to their own

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Speaker 1: Jacina nama Jinpa Price, the Senator for the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 1: We always appreciate your time. Thanks for having a chat

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,