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Speaker 1: And Amanda gem Nation. Nice to see her again.

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Speaker 2: Emma Gillespie from The Daily Oz is here. M. When

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Speaker 2: we went on holidays, there was drama with Brake, Blake

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Speaker 2: Lively and Justin Baldoni. And what's happened now.

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Speaker 1: Well, it seems to me, I'm not m finniely enough,

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Speaker 1: I am. It seems to me that the pendulum has

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Speaker 1: swung back and forth as to who's saying what about whom.

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Speaker 1: And I'm very confused.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the whole world is confused. Let's just

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Speaker 2: get that clear from the get go. But I'm going

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Speaker 2: to take you through it in as simple terms as possible.

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Speaker 2: You might remember last year we chatted about a movie

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Speaker 2: called It Ends with Us starring Blake Lively and this guy,

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Speaker 2: Justin Baldoni. It was a film based on a best

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Speaker 2: selling book by the same name by Colleen Hoover about

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Speaker 2: a woman's story of kind of being in and leaving

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Speaker 2: an abusive relationship. It was centered around this DV story. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: during the press tour for that movie, there was all

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Speaker 2: this speculation that emerged because the two biggest stars of

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Speaker 2: the movie, Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni, were not seen

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Speaker 2: doing any interviews together. They weren't doing any red carpets together,

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Speaker 2: highly unusual for a big Hollywood movie for its two

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Speaker 2: stars to not be doing any of the promotion together.

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Speaker 2: So then the internet did its thing and all this

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Speaker 2: slew thing went on and we realized or uncovered this

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Speaker 2: kind of feud between the two stars. It was a

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Speaker 2: bit of he said, she said. There was what seemed

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Speaker 2: to be a bit of a smear campaign mounting against

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Speaker 2: Blake Lively these old interviews, so first of her being

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Speaker 2: mean to journalists, and it was kind of the first

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Speaker 2: time that we'd seen this sort of negative press about

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Speaker 2: Blake Lively. She's married to the actor Ryan Reynolds. There

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Speaker 2: was also some speculation about his role in the movie. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we thought it all went away, and then in December

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Speaker 2: it reared its head and we started getting lawsuits. Blake

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Speaker 2: Lively filed a lawsuit initially in December, a complaint in California,

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Speaker 2: and that came with this New York Times piece, a

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Speaker 2: very very long article detailing these allegations of sexual harassment,

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Speaker 2: unsafe workplace in misconduct, misconduct by Justin Baldoni. So he's

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Speaker 2: the guy in the film. He also directed the film

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Speaker 2: he also owns the production company that made the film.

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Speaker 2: So this complaint alleges that Baldoni was inappropriate on set

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Speaker 2: things like he walked into Blake Lively's trailer unannounced while

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Speaker 2: she was breastfeeding, That he constantly spoke about his porn

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Speaker 2: addiction on set in a way that made people on

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Speaker 2: set uncomfortable, That he tried to add sex scenes to

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Speaker 2: the script that unnecessary, some weird stuff about intimacy coordinators,

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Speaker 2: and all in all kind of this idea that he

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Speaker 2: made people feel unsafe on set, and also that him

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Speaker 2: and his PR firm had mounted a smear campaign against

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Speaker 2: Blake Lively that was unfair on social media, kind of

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Speaker 2: using bots and was disproportionately swayed against her. Then we

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Speaker 2: get a new lawsuit from Baldoni against The New York

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Speaker 2: Times alleging libel, defamation, journalistic misconduct. They claimed that The

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Speaker 2: New York Times had not done its proper journalistic processes.

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Speaker 2: But we didn't have a lawsuit then against Blake Lively

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Speaker 2: from Justin Baldoni. His lawyers promised that he would sue

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Speaker 2: Blake Lively into oblivion. And then last week we got

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Speaker 2: a lawsuit from Baldoni against blake Lively suing her for

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Speaker 2: four hundred million dollars, was denying all of these allegations.

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Speaker 2: So I guess that's what oblivion is. Around six hundred

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Speaker 2: and sixty Australian million.

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Speaker 1: For example, he's got texts saying where she said, let's

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Speaker 1: work on the script, I'm breastfeeding, come to my trailer,

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so there's a lot of gray now where we're

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Speaker 2: not sure who said what. Everyone sort of flip flops

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Speaker 2: between whose side they're on in this situation. During the campaigning, sorry,

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Speaker 2: the promotion of the movie, there was a lot of

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Speaker 2: criticism at Blake Lively that she wasn't talking about domestic violence,

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Speaker 2: she wasn't talking about the themes of the movie. She

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Speaker 2: was instead launching a haircare line. She was instead encouraging

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Speaker 2: people to wear florals to their screenings of the movie.

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Speaker 2: But it's now emerged allegedly that the cast were told

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Speaker 2: they were not to center domestic violence around the promotion

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Speaker 2: of the movie, that they weren't meant to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Justin Baldoni during the promotion only spoke about it, and

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Speaker 2: he kind of emerged as this sort of hero figure

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Speaker 2: that he's a guy who's not afraid to talk about

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Speaker 2: abusive women, and no one else is talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Why aren't they talking about it? Blake Lively is suggesting

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Speaker 2: that they were basically gagged from talking about it. Who knows.

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Speaker 2: On the other side, with Baldoni, he's accused blake Lively

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Speaker 2: of being over involved in the movie, of using her

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Speaker 2: kind of celebrity to control the scenes, and she was

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Speaker 2: involved in writing a scene with her husband Ryan Reynolds

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Speaker 2: that they tried to step on his toes as a director.

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Speaker 2: They said that there was never any of this alleged

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Speaker 2: misconduct on set, that there was an intimacy coordinator. It's

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Speaker 2: very very dramatic. As are going to play out well,

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to play out as it is

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Speaker 2: at the moment in the court of public opinion. As

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Speaker 2: we saw with the Johnny Depp and the Herd story,

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of people with very strong opinions,

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Speaker 2: and ultimately the reputations of both of these stars have

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Speaker 2: been irreversibly damaged, in my opinion, mostly from the reaction.

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Speaker 2: But these are court cases, civil proceedings, so we're probably

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Speaker 2: going to see this play out in court. It's America

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Speaker 2: will it be live streamed in the same way that

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Speaker 2: the Johnny Depp amber heard stuff was. Who knows personally,

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Speaker 2: I hope so of course you too. There is a

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Speaker 2: lot of money on the table, hundreds of millions of

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Speaker 2: dollars from both sides.

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Speaker 1: I guess there's no sequel to that film.

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Speaker 2: No, and his production company has the rights to it.

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Speaker 2: There is a sequel called It Starts with Us, and

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Speaker 2: it was going to be made. That was the plan.

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Speaker 2: But I can't see Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni ever

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Speaker 2: working together ever, ever again. I'll have Adam Sandler and

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Speaker 2: Rob Schneider.

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Speaker 1: As a spear campaign floral.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. That's m Billespie from the Daily Os. Great

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Speaker 2: to see. Happy twenty twenty five. It's gold, Baby, Gold,

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