1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: The Will and Woody podcast that Bite sized. A woman 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: has allowed a guy called Bill to house it for her, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: so she's gone into state. I believe leaves Bill in charge. 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: And I think the standard rules, you know, don't put 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: on the floor. I don't know why came to me, but. 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: The standard rules number one about sitting, don't trust. 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 3: That's a common sense. I think that's a common sense number. 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: The point I'm trying to make it if you're having 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: to reiterate that to the house, you've either an animal 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 2: or you've got the wrong person. 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: I think the point I was trying to make was 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: the common sense was at play here. She just goes, look, 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: because it is the house. You've got the house. Don't 14 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: trast the place anyway. 15 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: So she he says that to her. 16 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: No, no, she she yeah, she's the house. 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 3: The house setterup. 18 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 2: I minced that a bit in the Okay Bill the 19 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: house sitter. Yes, and he's been told look after the place. 20 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: That's why your house sitting exactly right. 21 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: Anyway. She sends him a text one night, doesn't get 22 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: a response, so she floor. She thinks, number one, you 23 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: he hasn't. 24 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 3: On the floor. 25 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: The number two she goes, no, no, no, she goes number two, 26 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: I've got security cameras in the house. I'll just check 27 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: on the guy. 28 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 3: So she told him that. 29 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: No, I'm not sure if she told him that she 30 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: had security cameras or not, but she just logs in 31 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: from her phone to the security games camera to get 32 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: live footage. Anyway, billy Boy Big Bill having a nude 33 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: pool party, just nude people everywhere, million around her backyard, 34 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: walking through the house naked. 35 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 3: There is just naked and she got to watch the 36 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 3: whole thing on her phone. Yeah. 37 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, it turns into a bit of a bit 38 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: of fun for her. But beyond a little bit of 39 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: fun for her, she's at. 40 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 3: A party or like, is there a bit more going 41 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: on than that? 42 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,639 Speaker 1: It doesn't go on to those details in the story. 43 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: I imagine there was a bit more going on, a 44 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: bit of a swinging situation. Doesn't And naturally the woman 45 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: was furious. She was like, you can't throw a naked 46 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: pool party in my pool when your house. It's not on. 47 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 3: I love that this bloke went for that, but yeah, 48 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: bold play. I mean, you've got to respect it a 49 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: little bit, don't you. Yeah, a little no, you do. 50 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 3: You've got to respect that so. 51 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: The child and you gets really pumped about that, do 52 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: you think in general? 53 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like you've she obviously got this mint pad, 54 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: he's handed over this, she's got a pool. 55 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: He's going you know what? How did he get them naked? Like? 56 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: Is he? You know in the movies? And like everyone 57 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: was naked? 58 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: I was like, who started that? Yeah, you guys started. 59 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: That closer than I am with my friends, or like, 60 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: how do you get that? Over the line? Take your 61 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: clothes off? I sang out, naked, That's what ever happened. 62 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: I've jumped in a pool nude as your as you 63 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: would know. But no one follows you. No, you a 64 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: strong leader. 65 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 3: That's not the play strongly you. I think you need 66 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 3: a woman to take her clothes off. I didn't help, 67 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: you know, so. 68 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: I imagine he had it. He had a woman there 69 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 1: who was in cahoots with starting that. 70 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I think it was a swingers party. 71 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: I think they were all part of the whole thing, 72 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: because you can't just say to twenty years mates, hey 73 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: let's all just get naked. 74 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean you could, right, but anyway, that's not what 75 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: I want to talk about. That's not what I want 76 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: to talk about, what have. 77 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 3: You ever got all your mates naked? 78 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 4: Gee? 79 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: That is a good question. 80 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: Save that one for tomorrow. Save that one for tomorrow. 81 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: The sticking point for me is the fact that this 82 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: woman had a camera and she was able to spy 83 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: on the house sitter. That's really interesting, isn't it so? 84 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: Our numbers thirteen one oh six fives, I really got these. 85 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: They you don't need security cameras. You just have like 86 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: a baby camera these days. 87 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: So thirteen one oh sixty five. I just want to 88 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: hear some opinions here. Is it okay to spy on 89 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: your kids, slash the babysitter or house sitter with these 90 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: security cameras in the house? 91 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? Is that okay? 92 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: I was at a drink the other day and a 93 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: maid of mom was showing me he was watching his 94 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: baby on the right on the phone right, And then 95 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: he was like, oh, now's the point that I've told her, 96 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 2: the babysitter to put the kids to bed so I 97 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: might watch I am And I was like, does she 98 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: know that your watching her? 99 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: And did she? 100 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: I don't think so. Sheez. 101 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: Well, my partner's been in this situation before which she's 102 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: realized that they were watching her while she was babysitting, 103 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: and she was like, they didn't have the they didn't 104 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: have the conversation at all. 105 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: But she on the other foot, now that you're going 106 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: to be a parent, are you going to put cameras 107 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: up to watch the babysitter? 108 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. That's why you get a babysitter, So you 109 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: trust me. Trust me, I wouldn't. I would never hire you. 110 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, good, you was a babysitter. 111 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 3: Be rule number one, don't pull on the floor. 112 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: That fair, thir want to hear some opinions here. Is 113 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: it okay to spy on the kids slash babysitter, house 114 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: sitter with security cameras in your house? Should you be 115 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: allowed to spy on your kids slash babysitter with like 116 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: home security. 117 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 3: Cameras without telling them? 118 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 2: You're saying, I think if you tell them different story, Surely, isn't. 119 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: It you watch someone, you need to tell them that 120 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 3: you're watching them. 121 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: But I even think, and maybe I'm wrong. I don't 122 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: have kids, but I don't think if you've got kids 123 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: and they know the cameras are there, don't spy on 124 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: them when they've got a bit of a loan time. 125 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: Well, that's what you're hiring them for. 126 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: The babysitter. 127 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm saying, even if your kids are, say. 128 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: Home alone, would you would you SPI when your kids 129 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: when they're home alone, just to make sure they're doing 130 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: the right. 131 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: Honestly, for my own sanity. As you know, I'm having 132 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 2: a baby in a couple of months. I was talking 133 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 2: to my partners on the weekend and we were like, 134 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: surely the point of having a babysitter is that you don't. 135 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 3: Have to look at them. 136 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 137 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: No, trust no you don't, but you kind of have to. 138 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think as a kid that's quite formative, 139 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: isn't it, Like it's a really formative period of your 140 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: life when your parents go away. 141 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, when they go for a night out or a 142 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: weekend away, would it? And you have to figure things 143 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: out yourself. Yeah, that's that's that's good stuff. 144 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: So you're saying there shouldn't be a camera there because 145 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: you're figuring out things, Yeah. 146 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 3: You're doing with that. 147 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: I will say I had a friend who was looking 148 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: at young kids on a camera. I think that was 149 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: fair enough because something could have happened. Was a babysitter there, No, 150 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: there was no babysitters, they were home alone. I think 151 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: a camera there is, absolutely and the cameras actually taken 152 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: then to the kids. 153 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: That's what big brother. That is terrified. 154 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, George to the amazing though. 155 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 2: No, I don't know about that because even that, like 156 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: you know, the first time that your parents went out 157 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: and they trusted your older sister to look after you, 158 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: that was. 159 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: A big moment. It was a while that your older 160 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: brother would have had to have looked after you. 161 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: It was a terrible job, a terrible job. Let's go 162 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: to Pierre here on thirteen one O six five. Pierre, 163 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: do you reckon that there should be security cameras in 164 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: homes and you should be able to spy on your home? 165 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 3: Yeah? 166 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 5: I got it. I've got a couple of my home 167 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 5: I got on my front door that I use, and 168 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 5: I everyone that walks past my eyes, especially at night time, 169 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 5: oh my wed noise and they just freaks them out 170 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 5: and we just watch everyone a run. 171 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: It's quite freak. 172 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: Sorry, so you're just scaring people now, I reckon pointing 173 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: outside is absolutely fine. By the way, camera outside at 174 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: your front door, no issues. Pierre, do you have any 175 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: indoor cameras? Talk to me, mate, Oh yeah, I. 176 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 5: Got two in one one of these kids. 177 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 4: The rooms, I've got one each one. 178 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, the babysitters over Like you've got a babysitter over there? 179 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: Do you check on her through the camera? 180 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Because every time there's movement, I get a 181 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 5: notification on my phone saying there's movement in the rooms. 182 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 3: Like you're six champagnes deep. 183 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: You're out at a cocktail party and your phone's going 184 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: off saying that your child might have rolled over, Like, 185 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: surely that's just a part of it. 186 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 5: Only moves if like not phrase, if you like, there's 187 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 5: light turns on in the room, or something big happens. 188 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 5: If the child moves, it knows, it knows straight away. 189 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: Phenomenal teck. 190 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: The only reason that would be good for me is 191 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: if you could up the ante because that sounds that 192 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: almost sounds like a sentinel in the matrix, one of 193 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: those things. Oh yeah, if you had that and it 194 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: also had like a kill function on it as well. 195 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: To kill your baby. 196 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 3: Well you know, no, no, not kill your baby. But 197 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 3: what are you talking about. 198 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean you're gonna have to back this 199 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: coming up a broken Do you want to kill function? 200 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 3: No? It's like a burglar or something. 201 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: Oh, and that picks up the sensor and then you 202 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: can like you know, you know, joystick joystick it. Yeah. 203 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then well maybe not killed, but maybe. 204 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: Like stun them stunner, Yeah, taser them. Not a bad recovery. 205 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: Let's got to Adam here, now, Adam, is it okay 206 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: to spy on the babysitter with some security cameras? 207 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't know about the babysitter. Look, you guys 208 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 4: are saying if you if you engage someone to look 209 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 4: after your kids, and you've got to have that element 210 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 4: of truck, and you've. 211 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 3: Got to tell them, Adam, if you feeling them. 212 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 4: Got to one hundred percent transparent. But if you've got 213 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 4: teenage kids, I think you know, we live in an 214 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 4: era of deniability. Whereas you have cameras deniability. 215 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: We can always deny someone. 216 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 4: One hundred percent. But I think, you know, for security 217 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: reasons and peace of mind. From from a parent's point 218 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 4: of view, I think it's good to have. 219 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 3: What are your teens getting up to? Mate? What what 220 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: do you. 221 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: See? They get dubbed in by the neighbors because you know, 222 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 4: we've got these the family apps. So the kids know 223 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: when mum and dad are on their way home and 224 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 4: have a beer with a neighbor and he's like, yeah, no, 225 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 4: it's a couple of boys. They had taken off about 226 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 4: ten minutes before we got down there the other night. 227 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you have suspicions. Yeah, you have suspicions when. 228 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 3: So your kids are watching you as well. 229 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 4: That's right. So we've got the app. We don't care 230 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 4: the app. 231 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: How do you How do your kids know when you're 232 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: coming home? 233 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 4: Hey, Life three sixty is the app, and you know 234 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 4: it's just sharing app with all we've got my sister. 235 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 2: Yeah that your girlfriend checks you woods, Yeah, maybe she 236 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 2: kicks out the bloke before. 237 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: The boys. 238 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: On the full podcast, just scroll up,