1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Well, as we know, Parliament is being urgently recalled today 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: to pass legislation to strengthen Deckland's law with additional changes 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: to the Bail Act. The Chief Minister joining us on Monday, 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: saying she's made it clear for people who commit serious 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: offenses that their standing point is no bail for all 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: serious offenses. Courts will only be able to consider bail 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: where they are satisfied there's no further risk to the community. Now, 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: the Chief Minister is going to be joining us on 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: the show in about fifteen minutes time. Joining me on 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: the show now is the Speaker of the Northern Territories 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: Legislative Assembly, Robin Lamley. Good morning to you, Robin. 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: Robin. What is the process of recalling parliament and is 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: it quite an unusual thing to do? 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 2: It's very unusual, Katie, in my fifteen years of being 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: in Parliament. This is the second time that we've done this. 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier five years ago, almost to the day 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 2: we we sat to pass COVID legislation, and that was 19 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: a recalling of Parliament to sit for I think it 20 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: was around four or five hours and after the business 21 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: was done we walked out with our masks and that 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: was it. So it is unusual and it's obviously been 23 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: triggered by the Chief Minister. She called me last week 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 2: and asked if Parliament could sit today Wednesday for this 25 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: very important legislation that is going to be passed. 26 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: So, Robin, how will today work? I mean, does it 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: roll out like a normal day of parliament? Talk us through. 28 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 2: Us So it's pretty much the same as any other day. 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: We start with a prayer and acknowledgment of country and 30 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: then we go straight into business. How it is different 31 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: today from other days is that we will be working 32 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: through lunch. Normally we start at ten and we break 33 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: the lunch at twelve, back again at two for question time. 34 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: Today we just go straight through. We start at ten 35 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: and we will not break for lunch. There'll be no 36 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: question time, there'll be no adjournment, debates at the end 37 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: of the night. It will just be the business of government, 38 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: as they've outlined. 39 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: So no question time, not that usual sort of stuff. 40 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: Is it is literally a situation here where debate on 41 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: the legislation is going to happen and then we come 42 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: to a point where there's a vote at the end 43 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: of it. 44 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, it's all about this serious business of government 45 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: that they've prioritized and decided to change legislation Accordingly, Robin, I'm. 46 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: Not sure whether you're able to sort of take your 47 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: hat off as the speaker for a moment. Is it 48 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: something that you like, because I know that this issue 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: of crime and what we've seen across the Northern territory 50 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: is something you've been really really passionate about over a 51 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: long pereriod of time in terms of fixing it. Is 52 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: it something that when you are the speaker, are you 53 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: able to then step out from that role to also 54 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: discuss or are you not in a situation where you'll 55 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: be able to do that? Inside of Parliament today, I. 56 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: Can do that on any motion of any matter of 57 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: business before Parliament, I can step out of the chair, 58 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: go down to the floor and participate. But generally speaking, 59 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: speakers don't do that. They do occasionally, probably for issues 60 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: that are highly relevant to their particular electorates or constituents, 61 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: but usually I'm there purely to manage the House and 62 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: make sure that the business is conducted in a way 63 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: that is parliamentary. So today I won't be speaking, but 64 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean to say at some point in the 65 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: future I will step down and have my say. 66 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Robin, in terms of your role as a local member, 67 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: can I ask how are you feeling about these changes? 68 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that they're going to make 69 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: some kind of difference. 70 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: Look, I was brief yesterday with the other backbenches yesterday 71 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 2: late yesterday afternoon when when the government was ready to 72 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: share the nature of their bill. I have a few thoughts. Yes, 73 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:31,119 Speaker 2: I absolutely support what they're doing. I guess my question 74 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: is why didn't they do this a few months ago? 75 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: I guess, like a lot of things in the Northern Territory, politically, 76 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: things evolve. But you know, I think just not taking 77 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: away that presumption of bail all together is a very 78 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: powerful mechanism. And to put it back on the police 79 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: and the judges who issue bail that they now need 80 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: to ensure that the person that they're bailing will not 81 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: commit a serious violence of fans or prescribed defense endangering 82 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: the safety of their community. Like we know that there's 83 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: been plenty of cases of people, kids and adults having 84 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: been released on bail with horrendous histories of violence. So 85 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: now presumably anyone with any sort of violent background will 86 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: not be given bail, and maybe that's well over due. 87 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: I think. I think that we've been waiting for this 88 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: to be put in place for a long time. 89 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 1: And Robin, I know there's a lot of discussion as well, 90 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, people saying we've got to stop this crime 91 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: before it even starts, and I totally agree with that. 92 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: You know, we do need some serious change to the 93 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: whole behavior that we are seeing. But the fact is 94 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: we've got a gaping wound that needs a tornique. You know, 95 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: it needs to be sorted out, and then you need 96 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: to be working at the same time on those other 97 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: things to stop young people getting involved in offenses. But 98 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: we cannot continue to have a situation where people who 99 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: are committing very serious violent offenses are on bail. 100 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's the bottom line. So that's what this legislation does. 101 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: By the look of it, It closes down any possibility 102 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 2: that serious offenders will be bailed and then go on 103 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: to offend while they're on bail, which, as I said, overdue. 104 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: This is what we need to just close that gap 105 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: and hopefully create a safer community. 106 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Robin Lamley, Speaker of the Northern Territory. Actually, 107 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: before I let you go very quickly. We had heard 108 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: that there was potentially going to be I don't know 109 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: whether it was a rally or a bit of a 110 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: protest outside of Parliament. Has anything been raised with you 111 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: or have you heard anything of that effect. 112 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: I'm not aware of any protests at the front of 113 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: Parliament House this morning. That doesn't mean to say that 114 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: people haven't gathered to protests. That not all protests come 115 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 2: to our attention. People don't. You don't need to. It's 116 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: not mandatory to advise Parliament House of a protest. As 117 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: long as it's ordly, you can front up out the 118 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: front anytime and protest, so I don't necessarily hear about 119 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: them all. But no, I'm not aware of that today. 120 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: No. Well, Robin Lamley really appreciate your time. As always, 121 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: I'll let you go. I know it's going to be 122 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: a busy one. Thank you, Thank you for your time.