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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry.

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Speaker 1: Get a it's lolls here. This next guest is pretty

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Speaker 1: massive in the health world. Her name is Ashy Binds,

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Speaker 1: and I said to her after I was like, mate,

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Speaker 1: I just wish everyone could sit down and have a

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Speaker 1: chat with you, because you're the real deal. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think when you see her on in Star she's

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent what you see is what you get.

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Speaker 1: But in her photo she's so dropped at gorgeous, you know,

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Speaker 1: epic smile, epic tan blonde, that kind of like perfect girl.

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Speaker 1: And I think because of that she gets cops, a

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Speaker 1: lot of trolls, a lot of judgment. She's been slammed

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Speaker 1: by the media, and I think, man, if you sit

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Speaker 1: down and chat with hers, just a real girl chasing

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Speaker 1: her passion and her ultimate goal is to inspire women.

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Speaker 1: So I loved it. I love chatting to Ashi and

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Speaker 1: hearing her story. So I hope you enjoy this chat

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Speaker 1: as much as I did enjoy ash Binds. First of all,

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Speaker 1: a big thank you, Ashy Brins. You have been a

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Speaker 1: dream goal to have on here.

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Speaker 2: Ah, I think you would an intro really, yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: nice with you.

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Speaker 1: I have just I've always been a fan. I've always

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Speaker 1: watched you. I've always do you know the first time

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Speaker 1: we actually met. I don't think you're gonna remember this.

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Speaker 1: Al hit me and it's not about this is not

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Speaker 1: a bad thing. You remember it just because it was

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Speaker 1: so full on four years ago, maybe five Australian fitness show.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, Sydney hectic, hectic, you were about to teach.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many people, two thousand you were

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Speaker 1: about to go on. You had the epic braids downside

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Speaker 1: of your head. You had a squad with you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like a gang. We were all in the green room.

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Speaker 1: It was so fast. There was like commando. Steve was

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Speaker 1: no I remember.

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Speaker 2: One hundred remember, yeah, Nate. I wouldn't remember it until

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Speaker 2: you said it, but yes, I remember.

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Speaker 1: And I just taught yoga. So I taught yoga like

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Speaker 1: in between the cross feed.

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Speaker 2: Then I'm like getting all pumped up and.

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Speaker 1: I think everyone was matching in like pink is good colors,

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Speaker 1: and I was just like, this cheek is epic and

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Speaker 1: the thing that I loved the energy I picked off

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Speaker 1: about you, this is this would be what would it

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Speaker 1: be five years ago? I think about four? Yeah, four

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Speaker 1: or five? I reckon, You're like, it'd have to be.

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Speaker 1: But I remember thinking, oh my god, this cheek is happy, bright, bubbly,

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Speaker 1: but doesn't stop. I was like, go, go go. You

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Speaker 1: were such a little go getter and I freaking love that.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you so inspiring. So just for people listening,

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Speaker 1: I know everybody knows who you are, do they know? Yes? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: You are an entrepreneur, PT speaker, wife, mother. Now Taj

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Speaker 1: is just turned four. Is just I watched the vlog

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Speaker 1: so cute. You know, he's adorable, open a little pressy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you've got your own active wear rain can kind of

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Speaker 1: say the rainbow colors. You're wearing one now.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the purple, so bright and happy. I just love colors.

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Speaker 2: They make me feel happy when I wear them.

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Speaker 1: And you feel like training it's working out motivating. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've just noticed your water bottle matches.

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Speaker 2: You're and that's everything.

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Speaker 1: I love it so good though, And you've got treats

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Speaker 1: range as well. Would you just get you clean them today? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I saw that. I think mine's like a Hazel ninety one.

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Speaker 1: You've got Chuck Haese nuts.

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Speaker 2: So if you love Fero Share, you'll love it. And

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Speaker 2: then Collagen Caramel Fight, which you just told me like

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Speaker 2: sold to caramels. I need to get your pack up

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Speaker 2: the salted caramel as well.

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Speaker 1: I've got some obsessed with how you give me a

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Speaker 1: place to go get a Stahi bowls off? There's okay? Also,

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Speaker 1: so you've got your own app as well, Yes, Jim, Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're pretty much a global health You've got your own

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Speaker 1: global health and fitness empire. You've taught people like workouts,

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Speaker 1: not just in Australia and New Zealand, but we're talking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have London, Glasgow. We took out to a worldwide

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Speaker 2: on like Gangbusters. I when you first bought out your

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Speaker 2: reality show raw YouTube, I was like it was my

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Speaker 2: best mate Andrea, the one I keet referring to.

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Speaker 1: She was like, You've got to watch it. It's just

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Speaker 1: like demystifying everything you thought, every opinion and you and

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Speaker 1: the thing that I love about watching you and just

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Speaker 1: soaking up all your content. You'll cry no props, or

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Speaker 1: you'll be like, I'm having a shit day, or this

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Speaker 1: thing's happened, or this is triggering me. You're like I loved.

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Speaker 1: You were a talking about your friend who's gay, and

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Speaker 1: you're yeah, and you were just like, why can't love beloved?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, fuck, how is how are we

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Speaker 1: even having this conversation? It still blows my mind. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I love that you're very comfortable sharing what you're

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Speaker 1: passionate about, even if it might trigger other people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's important to open up more conversations

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Speaker 2: and get comfortable with getting uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: I love them. I love like. I love that metaphor

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Speaker 1: and that like idea of get comfortable with getting uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: Same with this podcast, like failing like and that they say,

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Speaker 1: so do you know Gary V? Yeah, so a lot

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Speaker 2: To the point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is probably the word I would use to

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Speaker 2: I love that masculine energy in that at all. That's straightforward,

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Speaker 1: You just can get straight to the point. One hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: But he said the most successful people in the world

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Speaker 1: look forward to failure. And when he said that, I

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Speaker 1: was like, yes, yes, Jo and Elsie said, he goes

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Speaker 1: you to see regret. He goes look into people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, Barraman, that's gone one controversial,

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Speaker 1: want to talk to you about today is yes, failure,

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Speaker 1: but also quickly, like in a nutshell this for people listening,

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Speaker 1: then there's this other ashy that fucking people judge and

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Speaker 1: it's not even connected to you. It's the troll. It's

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Speaker 1: the fee of the trolls. What would you say to

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Speaker 1: people that have like see because that part of you

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Speaker 1: gets celebrated on TV, like they've done stories in the

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Speaker 1: And but the moment that someone meets you or sees

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Speaker 1: your Insta or actually takes bringin two minutes to watch

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Speaker 1: an Aussie girl chasing dreams. Yeah, pretty much, I think.

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Speaker 2: I think this day on social media, I'm so glad

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Speaker 2: when you're scrolling photos, I get it.

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Speaker 1: I'm this blonde head, big boobed, wearing faked han. I

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Speaker 2: It's very easy to put me in this like dumb

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Speaker 2: just fake and dumb. But now we have stories and

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Speaker 2: so much more talking. You can see that just because

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Speaker 2: have depth about them. Everyone's got a story, everyone's got lessons,

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Speaker 2: I think Raw started that. They were like, wow, I

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Speaker 2: did just think about her photos. Ah, she's actually going

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Speaker 1: I am.

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Speaker 2: Ah, Okay, she's normal, like I am. They take me

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Speaker 2: And that's the great thing about the connection we have

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Speaker 1: And you've hit the nail on the head about your

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Speaker 1: like it's also your choice. If you have blonde hair,

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Speaker 1: And I think we need to remember that people that

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Speaker 1: what I do all the time. We are here to

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Speaker 1: talk about failures, or we were saying before, like failing forward,

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Speaker 2: I don't like the word failing. I said that in

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Speaker 2: word failing. I feel like there's such a negative feeling

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Speaker 2: I like that. But the way I describe it is falling,

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Speaker 2: know that you're gonna have failues, you're gonna have challenges,

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Speaker 2: it's just a part of life. The moment we accept that,

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Speaker 2: it just makes things easier. And when you said before

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Speaker 2: knows there's a big lesson or there's something preparing him

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Speaker 1: To get that excited about it, but I do know now.

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Speaker 2: I'm so aware that when something challenging is happening, I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is happening for a reason. Either I haven't less

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Speaker 2: I haven't healed something in the past. There's a lesson

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Speaker 1: How can I grow through this? Grow through this totally?

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Speaker 1: And I feel like to have that mentality and to

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Speaker 1: you have to have massive tenacity, so like stick ability,

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Speaker 1: like no matter what happens, shit, stuff's going to happen,

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Speaker 1: back to childhood stuff for a second.

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Speaker 2: Yea, And lots of stem from our childhood, so let's

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Speaker 1: But I also think that's also where your tenacity, like

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Speaker 1: your students, has probably come from. So can you talk

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Speaker 1: to me about you know, I've read that your stepdad

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Speaker 1: said you were too dumb, too stupid, you would always

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Speaker 1: be a failure. Yeah, that was a word he used often.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like that fear of failure on that

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Speaker 1: I think it's completely different to what it looks. I

436
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 1: like how you're like, I'm a foodie. I'm gonna love it.

437
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna do like smoothie balls and a Sahi bowls

438
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 1: and we'll have the ball all that stuff. I was

439
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 1: the exact same with my smoothy bar that shut down

440
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 1: after three years. Same thing I was floating it, I

441
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 1: was putting money. And the thing that I think and

442
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 1: I really want to ask you about, but like, what

443
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,640
Speaker 1: was the public's perception of that?

444
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, see, that's the hardest thing. I think, like i'd

445
00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 2: be lying and said, oh, I don't care. People think

446
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,160
Speaker 2: it is really hard because not only like social media,

447
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 2: but some media jump on and you know that's really clickbaity,

448
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 2: that's really exciting. As she ryns fails like you know,

449
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 2: cafe shots. It's hard. And we were we were on

450
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 2: a honeymoon and I remember in the Maldives, Oh.

451
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: My god, isn't it the best? It feels like a dream.

452
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,879
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's our favorite place on earth. But

453
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 2: I remember, you know, a lot of the media have

454
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 2: my phone number, and I remember looking at my phone

455
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 2: and all these miscalls and voice messages from people were.

456
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 1: Like, what's happening with the cafe on my honeymoon?

457
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,199
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my gosh, this is so

458
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 2: overwhelming and leave me alone answer any of it a

459
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 2: couple because I just like hadn't had much experience in

460
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 2: the media, and and you know, you have to be

461
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 2: really careful because your words and stories can get to

462
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 2: It's not all the time, you know, not all media is.

463
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: Like that, but a lot is some is. Yeah, So

464
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: that was really really hard.

465
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 2: And even now when things happened in my life, media

466
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 2: straight on there, straight on there, like you know, even

467
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 2: a little a little while ago, we had two buildings

468
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 2: for our gym and massive, massive space. We really just

469
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 2: needed the one, so we just compressed it all into one.

470
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 2: And you know, there were stories written about that she's

471
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: going under and this is happening, this is something, and

472
00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 2: I was like, well, you can make up a story

473
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 2: about it, that's what you want to do. But it's

474
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 2: the truth is, we don't need two buildings. We had

475
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 2: way more classes on this side. We can fit it

476
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 2: all in here, the community, the vibe and the energy

477
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 2: is ten times better all in one. So it's a

478
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 2: great it's a great decision and it saves us a

479
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: lot of money each week as well. But the stories

480
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 2: that the media can make a scary So it can

481
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 2: be hard because everything you say, everything you do is

482
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: at risk that people will twist it and post it

483
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 2: and story start and people comment and it just opens

484
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: up a can of worms. But I don't want to

485
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: live my life going oh, but not be myself or

486
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 2: better not do that, or but not say that in

487
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Speaker 2: case someone doesn't like it.

488
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't live like that? Do you? And

489
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm so excited? It's just not so excited it so

490
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: have you about as like the media? Do you think

491
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: in Australia that tall poppy is a thing? It is

492
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 1: so a thing. I hate it.

493
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: It's like when you go to America celebrities and not

494
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: saying I'm celebrity, but celebrity, hi, celebrity high profile people

495
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: or people doing well, just people succeeding.

496
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 1: It is praise.

497
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: You were like, yes, and they're so happy for you

498
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 2: the moment you look like you're doing well or you know,

499
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: even I've got friends with money.

500
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: Like people hate them. Oh totally.

501
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 2: It just triggers something inside them that you must be lucky,

502
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: you're not deserving, you didn't work hard.

503
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 1: They don't know. I hate it. I hate tool probably syndrome,

504
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: but it's such a thing. It's definitely a thing, and

505
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: it's ever going to change. Well, you do stuff in America, right,

506
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: Like you've done boot camps and stuff in the area.

507
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: Have you noticed when you speak to an American so

508
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: our culture teaches us to talk ourselves down. It's super humble.

509
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: It's not even humble. It's like you're literally negative talking

510
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: so often like people be like, oh, you know, you've

511
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: written ten books and I'm like, oh no, but like

512
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: not a big deal, like last we didn't sell that well,

513
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: which is true. And if you tell America and they're like, okay,

514
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: they take it literally, like and Ossie would be like, oh,

515
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: you're talking yourself down, humble pie, you know, all that

516
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But in America they take everything you

517
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: say literally. So if you're like, oh, if they say, hey, congratulations,

518
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: you know in your new gym space, that's though. I

519
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: like it.

520
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it happens every podcast. He barks, I'm sorry.

521
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: So good.

522
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: What two poochus here today, don't Yeah, one's Kelsey's and

523
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: one and sorry, guys.

524
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: We're animal lovers. I'm a Vets daughter, so I love that.

525
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: Bring on all the pooch sounds.

526
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: I'm surprised the cats aren't crawling all over the table

527
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: at the moment.

528
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: I always hope you'd see that. That's hope after yes,

529
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think you've own it, like own your success. Yes,

530
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: own your failures and be like, yeah, the cafe didn't work. Also,

531
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: now that I've met you and like we've had a

532
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 1: bit of like interaction over the months and stuff, like

533
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: you're not a hospital girl. That is not your.

534
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: Jam, especially my husband, we both are not.

535
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: No, and there are people that are and a phenomenal

536
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: And I've got mates that are in the cafe world,

537
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: like my investors, and they live and breathe it right, Yes, yeah,

538
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: they're they're twelve hours a day. That is their job.

539
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: And if you want to succeed in hospital, that is

540
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: your baby. You have to It has to be your baby,

541
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 1: and it'll be awesome if you love it and if

542
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: you're really into fee and getting the best of the

543
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: best produce and living and breathing and up it will

544
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: do great. And that was the same with me. I

545
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: was like, I don't want to be in here making

546
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 1: smooth and I'm not out of ego to just out if

547
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: that's not my passion, You've got to be there to.

548
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: What a great lesson to learn, though, like to go

549
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: through all those experiences to learn what really sits well

550
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: with you and what you really are passionate about. I

551
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: think going through those experiences that really put me on

552
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: the right path to be during what I'm doing now.

553
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: If I just kept that cafe out of ego, scared

554
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 2: of what people say to me, I wouldn't be doing

555
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: half the things I'm doing now because I wouldn't have

556
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: had time that I.

557
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: Wouldn't been so miserable right now. There are a lot

558
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: of hospitality guys, a lot of time.

559
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: I would have been there doing that so like, but

560
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: also the gym wouldn't be thriving all this other stuff.

561
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: This next question I found on one of your blogs.

562
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: I went, I dived deep. I was like a good

563
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: stock such ago, I'm very OCD and you spoke and

564
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: it's something that I have only recently had the power

565
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: to do. And when I saw you saying this, I

566
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, she's talking to me. I love it.

567
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: What is that? So it's I think it's a few

568
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: blogs ago, but you were talking about weight and checking

569
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: yourself on the scales. Yes, perfect, and I am that

570
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: person and I'm a really healthy girl. But if I

571
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,679
Speaker 1: get on the scales at the wrong time of the

572
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: month or at the end of the night and staid

573
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: of the morning, I'll be like, oh my god, I'm

574
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: three kilos more than I think I should be and

575
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, I must be so fat, like literally,

576
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: like negative self shook is the for me in sort

577
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: of history. It's a really really big trigger and pops

578
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: up every now and again totally. And my psychologist recently

579
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: just said, I just don't want you weighing yourself anymore,

580
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: like ever. He was like, and so for me, that's

581
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: the best way for me. I know that some people

582
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: love just understanding it, like like I love to understand

583
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: like where my body's at once a month and kind

584
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: of like knowing. And I think that that's really healthy

585
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: as well. But you mentioned in this piece of camera

586
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: you were like, when I was in my early twenties,

587
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: I was only happy if I was under sixty kilos

588
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: and I can relate to that. I know so many

589
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: listeners could relate to that. Can you share a little

590
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: bit like that time where you'd.

591
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: Be like, yeah, I think when I first started in

592
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: the health and fitness industry, I got very caught up

593
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: quickly with wanting to be shredded. Superline had the vain

594
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 2: six pack, like no, say your light, and I was

595
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: eating the tuna and crackers. I was eating the chicken

596
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 2: and broccoli and rice, little amounts of rice. Yeah, you know,

597
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 2: it was a very low calorie diet because I thought

598
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: that's I saw everyone posting all these health people and

599
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: I was new. I was like, oh, I have to

600
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: fit in and be a certain way, and I don't

601
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 2: know why. I just wanted to be under sixty. Over

602
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: sixty to me was just.

603
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: It's also tall. It's very tall human.

604
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, hundred underweight one hundred and seventy three. So yeah,

605
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: I've been under that and I don't even look healthy.

606
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: But it's a really hard mental thing to get through,

607
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 2: and it just took a lot of years of working

608
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: on myself and accepting that I really love food and

609
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: I really want to be balanced. I don't want to

610
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 2: live a life. I can't go out for dinner and

611
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: celebrate your birthday with my girlfriends and build that memory.

612
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 2: That memory is more important to me than having shredded abs.

613
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: You know it is. I love food.

614
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: Food for me is one hundred percent nourishment. I'm like you,

615
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: if I can squeeze an extra nutrients, I can take

616
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: my greens mat. I will do everything to be as

617
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: healthy as I can. But food is also enjoyment. It's

618
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: also memories. It's also connection totally, it's adventure, it's exciting food.

619
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 2: It's so much happiness, it really is.

620
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: I can see me light up. I love food. I

621
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: love when you go traveling likely in New York. Oh yeah,

622
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: it was. The whole trips were all around food. But

623
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: then I loved when you came back and you were like, hey,

624
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 1: I've been away and it was awesome. Yeah, but I'm

625
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: so excited to get back in health world as well.

626
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: People think that don't you feel guilty, don't you feel

627
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: you know?

628
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: I can see I've physically put on a couple of killers.

629
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, look at there's memories and all that food.

630
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: I've got to try, Like, I don't want to go

631
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: over there and order chicken and broccoli. You're kidding, it's

632
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: no way. I want to try every dessert that I can.

633
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 2: And when I get back home, I I know I'm

634
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: gonna feel a bit more bloated and energy, but it's okay,

635
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: get back on track.

636
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the body loves to find homeostaates loves

637
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: fine balance, like bringing it back and just going all right.

638
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: It'll take me a week to feel myself and feel complies,

639
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: feel like back in my little groove again.

640
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: And you learn over the years what feels good for you,

641
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: so it doesn't take me long to feel good again

642
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: because I know what my body thrives on.

643
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm not on that.

644
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: Cycle of binging and restriction. It's just all balanced and

645
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: I know what feels good for me. And that took

646
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: a long time though, So I feel for girls that

647
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 2: and you know, I've got women around me who are

648
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: still going through that and really trying to help them

649
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: reframe their mindset around food.

650
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: But it's love that you share that by the way

651
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: you explain, you're very open about like having friends that

652
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: are still facing or attached to a number or in it.

653
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: And I think I love the way you look at

654
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: the number on the scale and you like literally like

655
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: got on the scales no probs and you can see

656
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 1: you can see number. Yeah, but you were just like

657
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: and you can and you were showing. I like these

658
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: girls because it teaches me my body that ratio like

659
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: bone bone, it's all. Yeah, keeps interesting, fascinating the.

660
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: Scales too, Like some days I'll be, you know, sixty one.

661
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: Some days I'll be sixty three and a half and

662
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, yeah, I have a pood today, or

663
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: I drink so much water, Like it's true, totally, I've

664
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: never weighed my poo, but it's got way to it.

665
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: You know, I drink a lot of water. So what

666
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: I weigh in the morning to what I weigh at night,

667
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: it's a couple of helos. Like you fluctuate your hormones,

668
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: your periods, like totally, it cannot define.

669
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: Who you are by a bloody number. Yeah, totally. And

670
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: also flying, like do you find traverse? My body naturally

671
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: holds fluid even on a little flying. That's like a

672
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: coping mechanism of the body. So for girls listening that

673
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: might be like, oh, like I'd really like I don't

674
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: know how to get over that mentality. Yeah, how did

675
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: you kind of like let go of your kind of

676
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: like attachment to needing to be under sixty kilos.

677
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: I think social media had a really big role play

678
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: in and I'm not blaming social media, but I was

679
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: choosing who I was following, and I was choosing to

680
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: follow the shred ripped fitness comp girls who just looked

681
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: shredded twenty four to seven. And then I think being

682
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: in the industry, when I got talking to these women

683
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: and I, yeah, they looked amazing, but they're really sad. Yeah,

684
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: they had no energy, their hormones were messed up, their skin,

685
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: they were really depressed.

686
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: But you know, their photos looked amazing.

687
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: I think I just started to really understand the negative

688
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: behind the scenes of looking that way. Yeah, and then

689
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: I started to really notice how I felt being that way.

690
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

691
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: I can get really lean, I know how to get

692
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: super lean, but don't sleep well, super moody, my skin

693
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: goes crazy, I don't get my period. There's so many

694
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: side effects to that, and I just didn't want that.

695
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: I wanted to be happy. My goal was to be happy.

696
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: My goal for every single woman listening.

697
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: To this is to be happy.

698
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't get to be happy just by

699
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: having a six pack. If you think you're gonna be

700
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: happy once you hit a certain weight, you.

701
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: Long a lot of work to do. I remember naturally

702
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: telling me when a woman has a full on six pack, Yeah,

703
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 1: they're technically their body fapcent, which is too low to

704
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: like have healthy hormone levels and to obviously get your

705
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: period and stuff.

706
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: For sure, everyone's different too, though, Like I do know

707
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: some girls that are lean twenty four seven and they

708
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: eat a lot of McDonald's, you know.

709
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: Genetically, and that's true. That's a hard thing with social

710
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: media too.

711
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: It's like you can't look at someone and think you

712
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: eat what them they you're going to look like them.

713
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: We're all made up so differently, you know, genetically. I

714
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 2: suppose I am quite luck him quite in proportion. And

715
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: I don't know my real father, but my mum told

716
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: me he was very tall, very athletic, and genetically have

717
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: we have to accept that we are not gonna We

718
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: don't have full control of the whole outcome of what

719
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: our body looks like, you know. But I just think

720
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: we focus on food being nourishment and enjoyment and focus

721
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: on the positives of it. It can help reframe that

722
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: mindset love that.

723
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for talking about that, because I

724
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: know that that's personally a big one for me and

725
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: I know I'm in that one.

726
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: No, you're not alone, I think in effect. I don't

727
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: know the stats on it, but I don't know.

728
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: Not many women that are.

729
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: I'm probably one of the only ones that I feel,

730
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm really happy, confident, and content with their bodies.

731
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: I actually loved the way that you said not everyone

732
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: needs to look at scales, but I actually like it. Yeah,

733
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: like the way you said, I was like, if you

734
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: are in empowered, you're just like And that's how I

735
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: was like, this chick just cares about health. I do.

736
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: I care about the health of our mind as well.

737
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: I don't.

738
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: It makes me so sad when women look in the

739
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: mirror and they hate themselves.

740
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: That's so common though, isn't it. And I've been there too, Yes,

741
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: even look in mirrors.

742
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: So like, that's why I really believe I you know,

743
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: not tooting my own horn, but I really do believe

744
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: I am a good role model and I'm the right

745
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: person to be talking about this and helping women get

746
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: there because I am there. I've been through it all,

747
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: and I am here at a point now where I'm

748
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: really happy and content and love myself and I want

749
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: to help women. I don't think I'll ever stop helping

750
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: to the day I die. Oh honestly, I'm here to do.

751
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: I also think some of your power comes from U. Slabullshit.

752
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: And there's this in I've just finished my yoga training

753
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: and there's this goddess. So we learn in Indian, we

754
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: learn about Indian medicine, we learn about the Indian gods

755
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: and they're called deities. Interesting, and there's this you are this.

756
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: There's this deity and her name is Durga, and she

757
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: slays bullshit that is like watch her. She's fire, she

758
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 1: gets ship done, takes no prisoners, but she's all love.

759
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: So she does it with love and she cares always

760
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: and she's just a very powerful they call her like

761
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: a powerful warrior. So she comes in. So Indian gods

762
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: they normally have got like eight limbs and stuff, and

763
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: they're a different color. But she'll always ride a lion

764
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: for courage. So you just say, you look up gods.

765
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: And what made me realize that was I was looking

766
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: at a post of yours and it was this really

767
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: beautiful post of I think it might have been you

768
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: Steven Targe like a little family, or it might be

769
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: you in touch anyway, and it was people are having

770
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: a go at you about only having one child at

771
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: the moment, and you were like, and you were like,

772
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: how do these people have the right like? And I've

773
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: also watched a wonderful interview with you and Zoe where

774
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: you were like, I totally want to have another kid,

775
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: but like when I'm in a year's time, and that's

776
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: awesome because you're the master of your body and you're

777
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: also the master of this ship, you know, like this

778
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: is your life, not your you know, other people's hands.

779
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: But do people really have a goal for having.

780
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: All the time, I'm like, selfish for not giving that

781
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: to my husband, selfish for not giving that to my

782
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: little boy. He needs a sibling. He's going to be

783
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: so miserable without it. It's it is so common whenever

784
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: I do a questions and answer on Instagram, it is

785
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: the most common question when are you having another child?

786
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 2: And it's always got that negative undertone comment with it

787
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: that implies that I'm selfish, that I should be because

788
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: I'm this age, or I've got one he's four. You

789
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: meant to have another one when they're two, Like there's

790
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: so many rules, and I'm like, oh my gosh.

791
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Like drop off, mate, that's what i'd be saying.

792
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: And I'm okay with it, like you're amazing. Yeah, comments

793
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: don't really affect me too much anymore. But I know

794
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: women who one can't have children, two might have just miscarried,

795
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: three might be going through IVF or they don't have

796
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: any more money to even go for another IVF. And

797
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: every time someone makes those comments, it is highlighting that

798
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: they don't have the baby they want. We need to

799
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: think what we say. We really you think it's just

800
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 2: asking the question, but we really need to think about

801
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: how our.

802
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: Words can affect other people. Also, nobody knows what's really got,

803
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: like nobody knows the person or like the most common

804
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: thing that's blown away, blow me away with these podcasts

805
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: and women opening up about miscarriage.

806
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so common, isn't it. No one talks about it.

807
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: It's something like the statistic is crazy.

808
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: I know a lot of my friends have. It's crazy.

809
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: It's almost now the norm. Yeah, Like and I'm thirty

810
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: four and I want to have kids one day, but

811
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: definitely not yet. So I will be a geriatric mum,

812
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: which means the chance of me conceiving a like twenty

813
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: sox sothing ridiculous, even though I'm sure, like I'm really

814
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: healthy girl, but people have even said to me, you're

815
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: not getting any younger, and I'm like, like, this is

816
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: my life. You do have no idea like and also

817
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: like what if I want I'm totally not what if

818
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: I was struggling exactly we wanted to do that, And

819
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: people are writing that I just thought that you spoke

820
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: so beautifully to basically going like, it blows me away,

821
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: this is sad about me, and you almost hold the

822
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: space for people to like you hold people accountable, but

823
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: hold the space for them to feel yeah, thank you.

824
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: And it really hit a spotful lot of people, like

825
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: they got a lot of engagement with six hundred comments,

826
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: and I just think we need to remember that everyone

827
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: is battling something we know nothing about. You can scroll

828
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: all you like, you can think, you know people, you

829
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: can watch, you know. I post a lot on social media,

830
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: but you still only see probably fifteen minutes of my day.

831
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: You have no idea what's really going on, and some

832
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: people don't want to share that. But we need to

833
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: be very sensitive to what we say and how we

834
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: say it because it can really shake break or make

835
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: their day.

836
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: And what is your advice feel because I think this

837
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: is what you have nailed. You are judged. You have

838
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: been charged from the moment, whether it be the online trolls,

839
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: whether it be like they love like pitting you against

840
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: other people as well that probably don't think they haven't.

841
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: Like I had a beautiful girl on the podcast last week,

842
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: and they would always pit us against each other because

843
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: we wrote similar books. Oh interesting, and it was the

844
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: most awesome chat. You know, I'm like, oh my god. People.

845
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: Just so my question is, like, you get judged. You

846
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 1: get the most amount of judgment out of probably anybody

847
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: that I've ever had on my podcast, and you just

848
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: take it like a champ and are so real and honest.

849
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: But like say, to somebody, judgment is hard. So somebody

850
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: that just like in them, say they're in their workplace

851
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: and they somebody says something to them, like someone says, yeah,

852
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: you should be having kids, you're too old to him

853
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: with something like that, what's your advice for combating judgment

854
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: because I can see the way you do it in

855
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: your world, But what about like the girls listening to

856
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: this or the women listening to this going I feel

857
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: like at work I'm ostracized, or I feel like I

858
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: get a bit judged.

859
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 2: There's a few things.

860
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: One sounds a little bit. People might be like, oh,

861
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that.

862
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: But I had a mentor once say to me, you

863
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 2: wrap yourself, wrap your not physically tend you're wrapping yourself

864
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: and bubble wrap whatever.

865
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: You just preface, not physically.

866
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: You know, I don't go and do this, but it's

867
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: like whatever they say, they physically can't come into you

868
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: because you wrapped yourself.

869
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: You protected yourself.

870
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: Another thing, I think communication is really important. Sometimes people

871
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 2: say things to me, even online, like you know, messages

872
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: all the time. They'll say something it's really judgy, and

873
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: I'll voice message them back, which I think they don't expect.

874
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: Hey, that didn't feel really good for me. Do that?

875
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And then they're like, oh my gosh, I'm

876
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: so sorry. I didn't realize how that came across.

877
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: Now I look back.

878
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: You know, communication, if someone's at your work making you

879
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: feel like that, sit down and have a talk with

880
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: them and don't say you you you I feel because

881
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: if you say you they feel attacked, They're going to

882
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 2: get on the defensive. If you can say, I feel

883
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 2: really hurt when you say that. You know, I'm struggling

884
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: with this right now and that comment really really triggered

885
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 2: me and it didn't feel nice.

886
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: Like you know. Yeah, most of the time ecology one

887
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: on one with Ashley Bye.

888
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: God, most people, I can be really compassionate. You know,

889
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: most people do care. We're not born evil, we really aren't.

890
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: Most people are here and like I said before, we've

891
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: spoken about it.

892
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: Hurt people. Hurt people a lot of the time too.

893
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 2: I think if we can separate when people say things

894
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: to me, really come to learn it's got nothing to

895
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: do with me, totally, mate, it is all to do

896
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 2: with them. So now I'm more just more compassionate. They

897
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: say something, I'm like, oh, that's sh they're going through something.

898
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 2: I'll send them live they're being plain right nasty. Sometimes

899
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: I will block them, but a lot of the time

900
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: I will send back and say hey, because there's something

901
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: I can help you. Weird. I can feel this is

902
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: triggered you, like I've been through this as well, let's

903
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 2: chat about it. You know, you're amazing and you expect

904
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: that conversation and they're like, oh, yeah, I did feel

905
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: shit about that. I didn't think it's fair that you

906
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: got that or you know, you said this, and it

907
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: did make me feel angry about this that happened to

908
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: me when I was a child. Whatever that comes up,

909
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: totally talk about it and you can help someone through that.

910
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: But instead of getting on the defensive, right, because.

911
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: I do get defensive, and I was like we all

912
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: do in no one's stories like I've just been you're allowed.

913
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 2: We all do it even every now and again, like

914
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 2: my managers in my Instagram messages, and sometimes I'll react.

915
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: You know, no one's perfect.

916
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: If I'm having a bad day and I've got my

917
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: period and I'm just like not in the mood for it,

918
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 2: sometimes I will bite back and she'll go on and say, really, yeah,

919
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: do you really need to say that. Let's go back

920
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: and chat to her. I'm like, yeah, you're right, that

921
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 2: wasn't about her that day. I was just having a

922
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 2: shit day and I got triggered. You know, we're all human,

923
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: But ninety five percent of the time I really try

924
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: to separate myself from it, help them, help them understand it,

925
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: or just communicate.

926
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean, you're frigging amazing. I know I don't

927
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: have you for too much on it. So just a

928
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: few more questions, some fire. Fear of flying, Yeah, what happens?

929
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: And how do you? How do you handle it? I

930
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: selfish because my boyfriend's got anxiety around flying.

931
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: It's gotten worse since I've gotten older. I really had

932
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: to learn to breathe. But I'm just I'm petrified of it.

933
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: I'm so scared of the thought of it falling to

934
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: take it is just yeah, I hate it.

935
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: I hate it.

936
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: These days, I'm breathing through it and I'm not crying.

937
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: But there was a time coming back from America with

938
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: Steve when I was younger, maybe like five years ago.

939
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: We were going through a storm. I was, you know,

940
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 2: people screaming a rollercoaster. I was that girl the back

941
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: of the plane for thirteen hours, screaming no. He had

942
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 2: to give me valium and a lot of it because

943
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: the flight atenant even was like she needs to calm down.

944
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: She's scaring a lot of our passengers, and I was like,

945
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 2: I can't even remember.

946
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: This is crazy.

947
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: I asked Steve to go and get me a knife

948
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 2: so I could kill myself because the thought of falling

949
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: down out at that sky. There's just nothing more that

950
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,959
Speaker 2: scares me. I would rather be put in a pool

951
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: full of sharks or a bathtub full of snakes. Like oh, okay,

952
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: falling is extreme at heights in general.

953
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: So you clearly wouldn't have skydived.

954
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I could not think of anything work.

955
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: That's the best thing I've ever done. Steve's done it too. No,

956
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: you could not pay Steve. He did, he ticked it off,

957
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: he wouldn't do it again, and I did love it.

958
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: Only you do know you can.

959
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just I breathe through it now and I

960
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: never want to let it stop me from traveling because

961
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: I love.

962
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: Traveling and it's part of your job. Yeah, but it's

963
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: just my fear. I don't know if it'll ever go.

964
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: So when you breathe through it, is there a breathing

965
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: technique that you use, or you just like slow and

966
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: snow breathing and through my nose yep, destruction too.

967
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: Like iPad, I find that really helps who I'm with.

968
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: If I'm flying with my.

969
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: Son, it is way less because my energy focuses on him.

970
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: You're in mama bear mode.

971
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: I'm a mamma bear mode completely and he's loving and

972
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: I feel that joy through him. But if I'm saying

973
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: with Steve and I can just hold on to him

974
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: and he's my like anchor, you know, I'm a mess,

975
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: but I don't know. It's something I just have to

976
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: work through. We've all got fears, right, absolutely. Would you

977
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: describe it as like a physical response to I'm sweating

978
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 2: in all places that you should have sweat.

979
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: I am sweating everywhere, Like, are you okay? As soon

980
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: as it lands? Is the body just comes.

981
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: When they say we are descending, I am like, I

982
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: like flying the landing, love the landing. I'm really back

983
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: on the ground. I feel amazing. But leading up to

984
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: the takeoff and the actual takeoff, until that seatbelt signs off.

985
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: When that seat belt signs off, yeah I'm okay, But.

986
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: Until that's off.

987
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: And this is a crazy stat that probably shouldn't be

988
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: telling you, but if there's going to be an accident,

989
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: apparently it's going to happen within the first three minutes

990
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 2: of the takeoff.

991
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: Oh great, that's good to know.

992
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's first three minutes. It's just like anxiety.

993
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: But so it's the coming down, it's fine. Coming down

994
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: is fine? Oh so great. You know I'm bizarre. I'm

995
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: the opposite of you. Hold me on a plane and

996
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, this this symbolizes opportunity, adventure, work.

997
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 2: We need to fly together because then I'll feel that

998
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: you got this.

999
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, a psychic told me I'm a lucky charm

1000
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: for flying. Oh there you go. So my best mate

1001
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: is like, can we make sure on the same pot. Yes,

1002
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: but I think also I can. I can understand the fear.

1003
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: When you're like, i'd rather sooner, I was like, there's

1004
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 1: no I've done whale sharks in the mail drives. Actually

1005
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: that's amazing, but that's a whale shark, the golden retriever

1006
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 1: of the of the Ocean retriever and just a ginormous one.

1007
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: But like if you were like, oh, there's also tiger

1008
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: sharks and great white sharks and reef sharks, and I'd

1009
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: be like check check you even I'm not interested. So

1010
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: I completely understand the concept behind fear. This other question

1011
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't in your bio. And but my like I said,

1012
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: my best mate, she's followed you for years and she's like,

1013
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: you know she got fired from me? Were you fired?

1014
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: From a job or what.

1015
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 2: Happened two jobs? Actually yeah, actually yeah the last one.

1016
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: I mean this was the best thing that ever ever

1017
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: happened to be apart from my stepdad. This is like

1018
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: the true like if you can turn negatives into a positive.

1019
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: I was working at a closed store a valley girl.

1020
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: Did you used the shop with Valley girl the best clothes?

1021
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: She? Absolutely?

1022
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: I was ever two years and I had this boss

1023
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: so I loved, and she felt pregnant and had to

1024
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 2: leave and we got this new boss in and within

1025
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: two weeks, this new boss came up to me and

1026
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: she just said randomly one day, yeah, I just I

1027
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: just don't have the hours for you, just straight out

1028
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: of the bat. And I said, okay, are you firing me?

1029
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: She's oh, no, no, sweet, I'm not frying you. I'm

1030
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: letting you go.

1031
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: Oh my, like super bitchy. I was like, oh my gosh.

1032
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: And I got my staff, ran to the car and

1033
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: just like bore my eyes, like.

1034
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: My life's over. I just got no money. What am

1035
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: I going to do?

1036
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: But because I got fired, Steve was like, perfect, you've

1037
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: always wanted to do your personal training course. You're helping

1038
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 2: me at the boot camps. Go and study. My limiting

1039
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: self belief was like, no, no, I'm not going to study.

1040
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: I can't do that. So I never got qualified at

1041
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: the beginning. I'm not going to do a course. There's

1042
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: nowhere I can do that, I said, And you know what,

1043
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: I can't afford it.

1044
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: I have no money.

1045
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: It's like ten thousand dollars, so I can't do it.

1046
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: He's like, excuse, I've got your government grant. You're actually

1047
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 2: going you start next week.

1048
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: I bought a reg and I was like, oh my god,

1049
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: what do you mean. I don't have to pay anything.

1050
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: It's not it's all covered. Oh my god. Freaked out.

1051
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: But what am I I don't have a job anymore.

1052
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: What am I going to do?

1053
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 2: I do want to do that. That is my dream job,

1054
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: to help women be fit, healthy, totally important through the

1055
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: emotional journey of it.

1056
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: And I did.

1057
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 2: I went and did my PT course, but I failed

1058
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: those end exams I think three times before I sat

1059
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: down with the owner GT bless him. He owns the

1060
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: Human Performance Center and where I studied. I sat down

1061
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: with him at the end of it. I was like,

1062
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: I just don't understand this.

1063
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 1: I can't. I've tried.

1064
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 2: I can't get it, and he sat down with me

1065
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 2: to help me, and I finally passed. But if I

1066
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: didn't get fired, I wouldn't have done that. Course, that

1067
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: was the best thing that ever happened to me. I

1068
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: would not be here with you right now if I

1069
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: didn't get fired.

1070
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: Oh I'm so glad. I asked that Ques at the end,

1071
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: I was like, make sure you find out. Thank you.

1072
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I could talk to you all day,

1073
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: No Love podcast. You're such a jam for sharing. Thank

1074
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: you so openly as well. And so you are like

1075
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 1: very real, very open and vulnerable.

1076
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: And viability connects us, right, It's beautiful all creating more connection.

1077
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: All humans really really want to. So for girls that

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Speaker 1: are just like, Okay, you're super successful, you live in

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Speaker 1: the dream, it's not people are going to think even

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Speaker 1: after all, they're going to be like, okay, but she's

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Speaker 1: got to this level. Now you've got your own active where,

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Speaker 1: you've got your clean trees, you've got so much.

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Speaker 2: Love around you, and you do make it sound amazing

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Speaker 2: and it is amazing, but there's also challenges of.

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Speaker 1: Course, yes, but what is your advice people that just

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Speaker 1: like and maybe it is like that, you know, the

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Speaker 1: way you went after your dream even then when you

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Speaker 1: got fired, Like they're just feeling a bit lost, a

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Speaker 1: little bit stuck, you know, that stuck feeling when you like,

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm meant to be doing what

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Speaker 1: I'm doing, but I'm doing it because it's safe and

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Speaker 1: because it's what people expect of me. What would your advice.

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Speaker 2: I think it's really important to find and I howe

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Speaker 2: people say this, but I want to go a little

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Speaker 2: bit more deep about it's finding passion, and I think

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Speaker 2: the way to start doing that is just to start trying.

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Speaker 2: Don't quit your job. You need to earn money to

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Speaker 2: pay your bills. We all do, but start doing things

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Speaker 2: Like for me, it was starting just going along to

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Speaker 2: the boot camps, and then I started to weigh the

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Speaker 2: girls in while sifa there. It was, you know, running

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Speaker 2: with them up the hill. I got into doing it

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Speaker 2: with them. You know, if you are interested in something,

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Speaker 2: give it a go and then figure out how you

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Speaker 2: could possibly make that a career. You know, even for

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Speaker 2: life coaches these days, I think they were in primal

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Speaker 2: school saying oh want to be a life coach. You know,

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Speaker 2: growing up they learn they want to tell people and

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Speaker 2: they naturally would have been doing that, and they turn

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Speaker 2: that into the career where they can make money in

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Speaker 2: charge that, you know, find what it is that lights

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Speaker 2: you up and that you feel that pull towards We've

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Speaker 2: all got it purpose, Yeah, but a lot of it.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the time was scared to tap into

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Speaker 2: it because absolutely, what if I fail totally?

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Speaker 1: What if I'm not supposed to do? What do they

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Speaker 1: think of me?

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Speaker 2: All those smart enough yes, all those stories, limiting beliefs

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Speaker 2: and voices of the people around impact what we do next.

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Speaker 1: But you're gonna listen to you. And when you keep

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Speaker 1: saying I don't know if you're aware of this, When

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Speaker 1: you say passion, listen yourself, you point to your heart.

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Speaker 1: You do it just like listen to you. And when

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Speaker 1: she's talking about voices and like the negative self beliefs,

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Speaker 1: she's she's got her hands around it. Yeah, I do. Interesting,

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Speaker 1: So bring it from the head, which is the analytical part,

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Speaker 1: to the heart.

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Speaker 2: Love love that yes, exactly, amazing than conversation. Speak to

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Speaker 2: the Gold Coast again.

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Speaker 1: Big love, beauty. Thanks you, You're amazed. Thank you. That's

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Speaker 1: a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 1: thank you to our guests and let's continue the conversation

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