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Speaker 1: Well, a very busy morning expected today and in the

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Speaker 1: have got the Federal member for Solomon, Louke Goslin.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Katy, Good to have you on

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 1: We've got the president of the COLP, Nathan Land. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Katie. Morning to you and your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Gary Shipway, the head of news at

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Speaker 1: the NT News.

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Speaker 4: Good morning to you, Katy.

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what. It's a busy morning. We

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Speaker 2: know that there's a few.

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Speaker 1: People already down protesting as the incoming administrator, David Connolly

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Speaker 1: has well, he's being sworn in in the next twenty

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Speaker 1: minutes or so, as I understand. And it follows him

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Speaker 1: breaking his silence yesterday or the day before, late on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night, releasing a statement saying that he deeply regretted

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Speaker 1: the past social media posts that he'd made. He never

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Speaker 1: intended to cause offense. He's genuinely sorry for the hurst

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Speaker 2: And that those posts and no reflection of his personal

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Speaker 1: It's going to be an interesting morning, I think to

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Speaker 1: say the least. There are certainly still some quite a

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Speaker 1: few who are really very vocally saying this is not

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, you've been.

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Speaker 1: Pretty vocal on this right from the get go, saying

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Speaker 1: and that it's you know, yeah, not the right person

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Speaker 5: It's an atrocious decision by the Chief Minister. And I

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Speaker 5: that the Chief Minister Leafanoccio has chosen someone when there

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Speaker 5: were so many other good options, so many other good

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Speaker 2: Always is, isn't it. I mean for labor as well.

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Speaker 1: You guys, they are generally fairly political or not a

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Speaker 1: political appointment, but they're aligned, I guess with some of

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Speaker 5: And that's a concerning thing about this choice, right because

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Speaker 5: it's basically the Chief Minister saying my values are aligned

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Speaker 5: with Dave Connolly's values. And we've seen what the values

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Speaker 5: you know, just have a look at someone like Jerry Wood.

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Speaker 5: I mean, come on, Jerry Wood. One, he wouldn't have

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Speaker 5: had social media posts that joked about date rape jugs,

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Speaker 1: And so that's the latest story that's come out this

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Speaker 1: And I guess that's you know, that's to the care

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Speaker 5: In any way joking about domestic violence. I mean Casey

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Speaker 5: Puric for example, if it was really about developing the territory.

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Speaker 5: Tracy Hayes, Tracy Hayes, I recommend to be extended as

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Speaker 5: the awesome job that she was doing. She'd have been exclp.

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Speaker 5: You know, why couldn't have been her? Why couldn't have

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Speaker 5: been Karen Sheldon. Why couldn't have been someone who's values

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Speaker 5: are actually aligned with the Northern Territory. That's a disappointing

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought it was Toe Well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that would have obviously been a much better pick.

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Speaker 5: But the decision has been made. The Governor General's here

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Speaker 6: Today. It's under Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, there's no other way to put it.

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Speaker 1: It's certainly a controversial choice in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: I'll be really honest, and I've said this right from

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Speaker 2: I'd had I towards the end of last year.

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Speaker 1: We'd had quite a few discussed about it on air,

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Speaker 1: There's no other way to put at And for me,

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Speaker 1: I was a little bit surprised by that, you know,

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Speaker 1: was it a wrong choice by the Colp government?

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Speaker 7: Look, I mean I won't be drawn on if it's wrong.

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Speaker 7: All right, Cadie, here's the administrator, he's being sworn in.

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Speaker 7: I'm looking forward to meeting in his honor David Connolly

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Speaker 7: and he'd never meant good to hear.

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Speaker 3: I haven't met him, Luke yet.

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Speaker 6: No, whose choice was it?

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Speaker 7: I'd be the choice of the governm of the day, Luke,

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Speaker 3: Or was I'm not in cabinet, Luke?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it's it's Gary.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember there ever being such a controversy around

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Speaker 4: Certainly There's never been this amount of controversy, and obviously

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Speaker 4: Fair enough, as I said, the comments were offensive, but

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Speaker 4: So clearly the public is not one way or the other.

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Speaker 4: And I think after today well there will still be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't reckon it's going to go away.

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Speaker 4: Well well, and I was encouraged by listening to the

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Speaker 2: Will be really blunt and say that.

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Speaker 1: I think there's actually a lot of people that you know,

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 1: So they're sort of going, I don't know a huge

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Speaker 1: Monday was turning this into a debate about, you know,

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Speaker 1: people have of woke views. Now I don't agree with

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Speaker 2: A lot better.

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Speaker 1: But I just want to play for you a little

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Speaker 2: Take a listen.

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Speaker 8: It's about choosing someone you think that represents the best

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Speaker 2: The cancel culture is so toxic, Katie.

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Speaker 8: People can make mistakes, people can have personal views. Not

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Speaker 8: everyone has to agree, and I just despise. I just

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Speaker 8: find it so hypocritical that if your labor or the

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Speaker 8: you can never have made a mistake, and yet everyone

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Speaker 8: else is condemned for their actions. This is just a

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Speaker 8: level of debate that is low, Katie, and it's disgusting.

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Speaker 8: I cannot believe that the opposition leader is degrading herself

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Speaker 1: Now, look, I thought it was a very interesting tag

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Speaker 7: And I guess what I could tell you just to

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Speaker 7: They actually, like you're saying, a lot of them don't

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Speaker 1: There's definitely people though that are going, this is not

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Speaker 2: Want to be the administrator.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no doubt about that. Absolutely correct. But at

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Speaker 4: and the job is predominantly ceremonial and a lot of

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Speaker 4: There'll be community organizations that will, you know, but that's

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Speaker 4: he's burned some bridges with Indigenous community and I'll have

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Speaker 4: to repair them if he can, you know. So it

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Speaker 1: I do know that there's an article today in the

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Speaker 1: respected Aboriginal elder saying that she's never experienced racism from

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Speaker 1: David Connolly. That was Miriam Rose saying that mister Connolly

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Speaker 1: probably doesn't understand parts of Aboriginal culture, but that doesn't

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Speaker 1: And you know, I certainly I do take on board

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Speaker 1: I think the problem here is is it's going to

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Speaker 5: yesterday say to you talking to future employers, and they're going,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to make something in my life.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just wonderful in the studio of few

442
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Speaker 2: of them before as well. They're great kids.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a good model. The more we do

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Speaker 5: in youth engagement, the better. People have got to be accountable,

445
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Speaker 5: but we've got to start working on that.

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Speaker 2: I'll say.

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Speaker 1: One of the solutions that did come forward in Alice

448
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Speaker 1: Springs about a week ago, well, I don't know whether

449
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Speaker 1: you call it a solution. It had a few of

450
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Speaker 1: us scratching our heads and we spoke about this on

451
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Speaker 1: the week that was last week, was when you know,

452
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Speaker 1: you can only buy your heavy beers after a certain

453
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Speaker 1: time of the day in Alice Springs, if you're sitting

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Speaker 1: down and you're having a meal with your knife and fork. Now,

455
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Speaker 1: the reason it's a bit of an interesting segue because

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Speaker 1: we also know that there's been some changes.

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Speaker 2: Now to the Liquor Commission. So the Northern.

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Speaker 1: Territory government this morning announcing that there's actually new members

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Speaker 1: of that Liquor Commission and well a new chair, Sally

460
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Speaker 1: geeran Territory barrister, has been appointed as the chair. Now

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Speaker 1: I know Sally and in my interactions with her, she's

462
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Speaker 1: been fantastic, So hopefully a really good sensible choice. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what the incoming members will think about some

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Speaker 1: of those decisions, like the knife and fork with your.

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Speaker 4: Chips, but I guess you'll wait, and yeah, I think, look,

466
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Speaker 4: it's it's I looked at that line up when it

467
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Speaker 4: was announced last last night. Yes, yeah, look it's it's.

468
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Speaker 4: It's a very good group of people. And but having

469
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Speaker 4: going back to the other springs, well I think it's

470
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Speaker 4: a good sensible idea to try and force hotels, taverns, whatever,

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Speaker 4: those people having a drink have have something to eat

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Speaker 4: as well, you know, just so that there's not it's

473
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Speaker 4: not there for a drinking session.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but do it in a bit more of a

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Speaker 1: uniformed way hours of the day.

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Speaker 4: You know, if it was me, I'd be having a

477
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Speaker 4: bowl of chips, yeah, a beer, But.

478
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Speaker 1: Well I just don't know that I could eat a

479
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Speaker 1: burger with a knife and a form. I said this

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Speaker 1: earlier in the week. I think, you know, I'm going

481
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Speaker 1: to need both my hands.

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Speaker 3: Really territory, it's not.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, look it's going to be interesting, as I said,

484
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Speaker 1: those new members of the Liquor Commission. But Sally Geeran

485
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Speaker 1: announced as the chairperson and some other names on there

486
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Speaker 1: that I know as well, Stephen Gelding, Term Territory and

487
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Speaker 1: a great blog. Katrina fong Limb. Philip Carson is still

488
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Speaker 1: on there. There's still on the on the Commission. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. It's a really important role though, I think

490
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Speaker 1: in terms of helping us to deal with some of

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Speaker 1: the issues that we've gotten the end when it comes

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Speaker 1: to alcohol issues, and it's something we've all spoken about,

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Speaker 1: you know, at length, particularly on this show, so gratefully.

494
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Speaker 5: Greg is a curse when it's misused and it's leading

495
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Speaker 5: to so many assaults, so much crime because people get

496
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Speaker 5: a gutfull and then go, oh, I it's going to

497
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Speaker 5: go and break into that house. So they've got an

498
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Speaker 5: important role to do and we all wish them all

499
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Speaker 5: the best with it, and I think we all we

500
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Speaker 5: need to kind of come together on issues like this.

501
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Speaker 6: I think there's been a lot of argie bargie.

502
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Speaker 5: The anti government's sort of well into its term now.

503
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Speaker 5: I think it's time to really engage in a genuine

504
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Speaker 5: way with different parts of the community, start getting some

505
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Speaker 5: money out into the community as well, and you know,

506
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Speaker 5: they'll go through their normal budgeting process the government is

507
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Speaker 5: all about priorities. Federally, we'll keep supporting as much as

508
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Speaker 5: we can the NT government to develop the territory, to

509
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Speaker 5: build the territory. This social aspect is really important. And

510
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Speaker 5: Marion and I we're down in Canberra a lot. In

511
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Speaker 5: the next month we'll be having those conversations with all

512
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Speaker 5: our colleagues about how we can do more.

513
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Speaker 2: Look, we might take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four ninees three sixty.

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Speaker 2: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

517
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was in the studio this morning,

518
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Speaker 1: we've got Gary Shipway, we've got Nathan Land, and we've

519
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Speaker 1: got Luke Gosling. Now I want to talk about a

520
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Speaker 1: couple of It's been such a massive week. There's been

521
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Speaker 1: so much go on that it's hard to think that

522
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Speaker 1: throughout this week. Well, on Monday we actually started the

523
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Speaker 1: week with Charles Snowen University Vice Chancellor Professor Scott Bowman

524
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Speaker 1: resigning from CDU as the institution continues to deal with

525
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Speaker 1: the fallout from the major apprenticeship compliance scandal. So as

526
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Speaker 1: we know first well, Professor Bowmen's departure. It followed the

527
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Speaker 1: Chief Executive Mike Hamilton, who also exited amid the controversy. Now,

528
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Speaker 1: the number of students impacted, we were told one number

529
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Speaker 1: that then grew. We spoke to the incoming vice chancellor

530
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Speaker 1: or the acting vice Chancellor, Fiona Colson, who said to

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Speaker 1: us the three hundred number was probably a little more

532
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Speaker 1: accurate when you look at the different ways that students

533
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Speaker 1: have been impacted.

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Speaker 2: However you look at it, we have to get this sorted.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is our university.

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Speaker 1: So much federal and Northern Territory money.

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Speaker 2: Goes in to our university.

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Speaker 1: We want it to be a university, whether it's the

539
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Speaker 1: Tayfe arm or whether it's the actual University Arm, a

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Speaker 1: UNI that we're all proud of.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, Katie million dollars of territory taxpayers dollars a year.

542
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Speaker 7: I think this doesn't quite meet the community's expectation about

543
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Speaker 7: their core deliverables and what they should be delivering. It's

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Speaker 7: good to see they've made some changes that, Like you said,

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Speaker 7: I guess, I mean what I'd like to see this

546
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Speaker 7: as an ordinary person and probably the rest of the

547
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Speaker 7: terrishy too is making sure this doesn't happen into the future.

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Speaker 7: So I mean, I don't know if Luke you can

549
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Speaker 7: touch on maybe what ASCUA might be able to help

550
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Speaker 7: there with how this gets through multiple gates to get

551
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Speaker 7: to this problem where we've got three hundred trades people

552
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Speaker 7: that we need here in the territory houses now.

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Speaker 5: Indeed, it's been disappointing, particularly obviously for the individuals who

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Speaker 5: are out there in the workplace in beauty and now

555
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Speaker 5: I have to go back and redo some of their study. Look,

556
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Speaker 5: because we haven't got a member of the anti government here,

557
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Speaker 5: you know, I'm not going to say too much about

558
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Speaker 5: their responsibility for TAFE. But what Andrew Giles or I

559
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Speaker 5: have been speaking with has done has reached out to

560
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Speaker 5: the university and to the government and said, you know,

561
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Speaker 5: what's the plan going forward? How can we assist with

562
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Speaker 5: that ASQUA whoever is responsible?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so explain to us who's asked what is that

564
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Speaker 1: the governing morning.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the governing body and they're independent of government

566
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Speaker 5: but have a very important role to play. And there's

567
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Speaker 5: a lot of questions about how this has occurred. So

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Speaker 5: that's what the minister's working through, is how this has occurred.

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Speaker 1: But it is broader impact to I suppose on some

570
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Speaker 1: of those businesses to right, you know, like making sure

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Speaker 1: that they're not kind of left out of pocket or.

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Speaker 5: And that's why the federal government made it so much

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Speaker 5: take free is because we want to get more people

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Speaker 5: through the door, get more people trained up.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: On the other end, you've got CDU who haven't had

577
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Speaker 5: their stuff in one sock and some people have been

578
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Speaker 5: some young people, mostly young people, who have been disadvantaged

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Speaker 5: by that and that needs to be rectified as soon

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Speaker 5: as possible. I've been really impressed by Fiona Coulson. I've

581
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Speaker 5: been talking to her. I think what you're going to

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Speaker 5: see is Charles Dawen University focus squarely back on the

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Speaker 5: Northern territory. I think what they'll be doing and I've

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Speaker 5: I've got a lot of faith in their leadership group

585
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Speaker 5: out there that they're really going to grip.

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Speaker 6: Things up now.

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Speaker 1: So what maybe not see so much of the campuses

588
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Speaker 1: in London and Sydney and other locations, or.

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Speaker 5: I think they're just going to look at how they

590
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Speaker 5: can deliver what they're good at with the online piece

591
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Speaker 5: and continue to do that, but make sure we've got

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Speaker 5: more young territorians coming through the door and getting trained

593
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Speaker 5: up and just quickly the federal government. What we've done

594
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Speaker 5: is if you're from a poor family, we're going to

595
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Speaker 5: make sure that you've got a chance to go into university.

596
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Speaker 5: So not only we set up the first medical school

597
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Speaker 5: a CDU and getting infrastructure built there, but we're really

598
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Speaker 5: going to make sure that it doesn't matter how much

599
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Speaker 5: money your family earned. We're going to give you a

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Speaker 5: chance to not only do a TAFE course which will.

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Speaker 1: Be seewas that happened when I was at Uni, I.

602
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Speaker 6: Had to join the army to get a university.

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Speaker 1: The group nephews, I was going to say, my poor

604
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Speaker 1: nephew's playing off his hex forever just about I think

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Speaker 1: we're all.

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Speaker 5: And that's what that's why we've cut hext. It's a

607
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Speaker 5: boy twenty percent because people were struggling.

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Speaker 2: A bit late for me, A bit late for me,

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Speaker 2: that's all right.

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Speaker 4: My concern with the issue is what happens. Okay, you've

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Speaker 4: got unqualified tradees have come out, Yeah, they've worked on

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Speaker 4: a house unqualified. How does that then affect your insurance

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Speaker 4: because your house has been worked on by someone who's

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Speaker 4: not a qualified trading? So does that affect your insurance.

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Speaker 4: That's another issue that we've got to look at here,

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Speaker 4: because okay, sure enough these guys are going to go

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Speaker 4: back and do it and get qualified, they're still the

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Speaker 4: flow on effects.

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Speaker 1: Someone else had raised that with us earlier in the week,

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Speaker 1: and my sort of understanding of it was that because

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Speaker 1: they're then still supervised by you know, you've seen tradespeople

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Speaker 1: and they're operating as apprentices that you know, they're still

623
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Speaker 1: covered by that insurance. But I'm not one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: sure on that, and I think it's really fair.

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Speaker 4: Insurance insurers come out and positive about it. Yeah, you think, well,

626
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Speaker 4: here's here's a loophole for them.

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Speaker 5: Because the insurance is just bleeding all of us dry.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's one of the no wonder they're keeping quiet.

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Speaker 5: And I just say to the insurers that are listening,

630
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Speaker 5: you have a corporate social responsibility to provide affordable and

631
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Speaker 5: appropriate insurance to people, particularly up here in the north

632
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Speaker 5: where we're.

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Speaker 1: Have the issue funny expensive and I'll tell you what

634
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Speaker 1: for some people as well with their insurance as well,

635
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Speaker 1: those premiums going up, you know, as a result of

636
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Speaker 1: the weather events, but also as a result of the

637
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Speaker 1: crime that we've seen as well over the years, and

638
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Speaker 1: it makes it tough for people.

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Speaker 2: But hey, I want to talk about well, Luke. You know,

640
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Speaker 2: you and I.

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Speaker 1: Occasionally when we have a discussion with each other, it

642
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Speaker 1: turns into it, you know, not heated, maybe a bit

643
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Speaker 1: more colorful.

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Speaker 2: We like to, you know, to be strong with our words.

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Speaker 1: Now, one issue that you and I had a few

646
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Speaker 1: words about towards the end of last year was the

647
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Speaker 1: housing cap now five percent deposit scheme, a federal government scheme,

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Speaker 1: and we'd talked about it towards the end of last

649
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Speaker 1: year and I was saying to you, Louke, come on,

650
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Speaker 1: please go and have a look at it. There's not

651
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Speaker 1: enough properties on the market at that six hundred dollars

652
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Speaker 1: cap mark.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm happy to give credit where it's due.

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Speaker 1: You did go back and listen and obviously advocated for

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory. And it wasn't just me talking to

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Speaker 1: you about it. I know the NTUS, I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of ad of the industry groups had spoken about

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Speaker 1: it as Wellay government, except there was a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who had spoken about it. And well seven hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty is what that CAP's been increased to a

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Speaker 1: lot more on the market for people, those first time

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Speaker 1: buyers trying to get in and to get into their

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Speaker 1: own homes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and while we were having those discussions, Katie, I

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Speaker 5: was working on it. I was talking to some people

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Speaker 5: from the Alice Springs Chamber last night, and you know,

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Speaker 5: we've got to do everything we can down in Alice.

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Speaker 5: Even though I'm the federal member for Darwen and Palmerston,

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Speaker 5: you know, we've got to all be team territory. And

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Speaker 5: there are a lot more homes, whether they be units

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Speaker 5: or houses, that can be covered by that six hundred marks,

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Speaker 5: But particularly for Greater Darwin where we've made this change,

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Speaker 5: you were really only getting into a unit, maybe a

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Speaker 5: townhouse if you're lucky. This gives people the opportunity who

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Speaker 5: are getting into their first home to get the dream,

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Speaker 5: you know, to get the dream of maybe getting an

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Speaker 5: elevated and putting some money in it, but not paying

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Speaker 5: someone else's mortgage, or not making someone else more wealthy,

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Speaker 5: but paying off their own mortgage. That's why we've raised

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Speaker 5: it to seven point fifty. And yeah, it has been

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Speaker 5: a team effort by everyone to get it there.

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Speaker 3: It's good thing, isn't it net good?

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Speaker 7: Thing for all territories, Luke, I mean six months maybe

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Speaker 7: too late here, and I had a quick look this morning,

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Speaker 7: still ating about thirty.

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Speaker 4: Think it's I think it's made far more achievable now. Yes,

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Speaker 4: it's more it's a more realistic funding a cap and

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Speaker 4: you'll get more people. You want people to stay here,

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Speaker 4: you want people to be able to afford to buy

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Speaker 4: into the market, and we still are the most affordable

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Speaker 4: capital to buy at the moment. And it's I think

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Speaker 4: it's a welcome thing. And yeah, and I haven't had

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Speaker 4: nothing but positive feedback from the industry.

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Speaker 6: It's good for industry.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's good for people deciding what they're going to

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Speaker 5: do in life, put down routes and we just want

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Speaker 5: to make sure that there's the jobs there for people.

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Speaker 5: And the construction industry obviously has welcomed it.

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Speaker 7: They look in heaupled with one of the best first

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Speaker 7: home by schemes that the territory's got here.

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Speaker 6: Well, look I've extended that now.

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Speaker 1: I'm just receiving word that the protest this morning started

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Speaker 1: off for fairly calm. I'm being told that things may

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Speaker 1: have become a little bit wild. So I'm just trying

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Speaker 1: to get some further info on exactly what that means,

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Speaker 1: but we might take a really quick break when we

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Speaker 1: come back. I am still keen to talk about the

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Speaker 1: Nightcliff by election. Plenty happening this week and the polls

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Speaker 1: opened for the Nightcliff by election for the early voting

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Speaker 1: on Monday. You're listening to Mix one O four nine's

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Speaker 1: three sixty. It is just nine minutes away from ten

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Speaker 1: o'clock and in the studio if you've just joined us

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Speaker 1: this morning, where you've missed out be at the protest,

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Speaker 1: or you might be at the swearing in if you've

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Speaker 1: missed us this morning, but you can go back and

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Speaker 1: listen now in the studio with us today though we've

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Speaker 1: got Gary Shipway.

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Speaker 2: The head of news at the NT News, We've.

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Speaker 1: Got Nathan Land, the president of the CLP, and we've

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Speaker 1: got Luke Gosling, the federal member for Solomon. Now I

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Speaker 1: can't let you leave this morning without having a bit

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Speaker 1: of a discussion about the Nightcliff by election. We know

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Speaker 1: that the early voting opened on Monday. It's I think

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a really interesting race this Nightcliff

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Speaker 1: by election. Now, I know that there's always a lot

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Speaker 1: of discussion about, you know, whether it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a test of Selena Yubo's leadership as Opposition leader, whether

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a test for the Chief Minister Leafanocchiaro.

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Speaker 2: I actually think it's going to be.

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Speaker 1: A test of who is the best person to deal

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Speaker 1: with local issues in the Northern territory For Nightcliffe. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's an ultra local seat. You know, people want somebody

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Speaker 1: in that job who's going to be able to help

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Speaker 1: them with.

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Speaker 2: The issues impacted their life.

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Speaker 1: And if I'm bluntly honest about it, I think that

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Speaker 1: Nightcliff had some fantastic representation for a number of years

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Speaker 1: under Natasha Philes.

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Speaker 2: Whether people you know, liked her as.

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Speaker 1: The Chief Minister or the Health Minister is one thing,

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Speaker 1: but they certainly liked her as a local member.

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Speaker 2: She was very, very.

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Speaker 1: Active and then we had Kat McNamara step in for

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Speaker 1: the Greens. Now she was not the same kind of

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Speaker 1: local member. She was very different. She stood for different things.

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Speaker 1: She stood up in Parliament and spoke about things that

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Speaker 1: some people in the electorate of Nightcliff may have cared about.

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Speaker 2: But others did not.

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Speaker 1: They want their roads in good nick, they want the

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Speaker 1: school to be operating in the way that they want

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Speaker 1: it to be. So I think it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a really interesting race. I'll be fascinated to see if

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Speaker 1: people turn against the Greens or what they might do.

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Speaker 4: I think they might be a bit of backlash over

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Speaker 4: Kate only being there for such a short period of time.

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Speaker 4: People put their faith in her and it's unfortunate that,

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Speaker 4: you know, circumstances in life have made her make that decision.

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Speaker 4: But I think, you know, looking at it, and necessarily

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Speaker 4: just me, I've seen Ed smelt run his council campaign.

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Speaker 4: He's very well known. I don't think it's unreasonable. I think, well, okay,

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Speaker 4: if someone's got a fairly strong campaign and got that presence,

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Speaker 4: that the presence is everything you know.

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Speaker 7: And look, I've lived in the electorate since i was

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Speaker 7: born four, so I've got a fair handle on how

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Speaker 7: people might be feeling there. It's a very polarized seat now,

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Speaker 7: I think, especially even more so after what's happened with

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Speaker 7: cat yportant Roles do here as president Katie and I

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Speaker 7: take that quite seriously so, but no, looking in all seriousness,

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Speaker 7: it is a hyper local campaign. I don't disagree with

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Speaker 7: what you said about Natasha File, she was a fantastic

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Speaker 7: local member. I've been there a long time, like I said,

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Speaker 7: but I think our candidate is also likewise a fantastic candidate.

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Speaker 3: He's doing the work known.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people like that I know who live

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Speaker 1: in Nightcliffe have no idea who he is.

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Speaker 4: You know, I was speaking to someone in my office

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Speaker 4: who's ne police and because I was just trying to

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Speaker 4: find it a bit more. And he has got a

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Speaker 4: strong support base. I didn't I didn't know that. I've

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Speaker 4: only been involved in the council elections and seen Ed's

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Speaker 4: but he.

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Speaker 7: Has a strong support base. He's been out there pounding

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Speaker 7: the pavement, Katie, knocking on doors. That's that's what I

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Speaker 7: can say, and that's how you win votes.

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Speaker 6: I won't surprised you to know, kay that you think, well,

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Speaker 6: I know, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: It's not coming for Sullivan next made. He's jumping everywhere.

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Speaker 5: I don't get a I don't get a vote in

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Speaker 5: this by election because I don't live in that electorate.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I know a lot of people that do.

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Speaker 5: And as Nathan said, there's a lot of long term

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Speaker 5: families in that electorate and they really want someone to

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Speaker 5: focus locally. All I know is my own personal experience

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00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 5: that Ed assles me a lot, you know, and that

795
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Speaker 5: got lots of money for the Nightcliff Oval. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 5: sure the Jeddy will be next and other things. So

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Speaker 5: I think people see him as he's got a good

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Speaker 5: head on his shoulders.

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Speaker 6: He's an engineer, he's friendly.

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Speaker 5: Approachable, so I obviously think he'd be a very good

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Speaker 5: choice if you live in Rapid Creek.

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Speaker 2: Nightleiff codn't going to be fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I think to see the way in which those preferences

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Speaker 1: flow as well, right because we saw that was you know,

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Speaker 1: the situation at the last general election was Natasha Files

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Speaker 1: was well ahead on primary votes. You then had I

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Speaker 1: believe Helen Secretary was second, and then third I think

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Speaker 1: was the Greens Cat macnamara, but the preferences of one

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Speaker 1: of the independents then flowed to her and next minute

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Speaker 1: she's overtaking. So I wonder whether people are going to

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Speaker 1: be a little bit more careful with how they preference

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Speaker 1: this time round as well, and you know, making sure

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Speaker 1: that their vote really counts, or they make sure it

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Speaker 1: goes the way they want it to go.

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Speaker 4: I think their preference issue might that on the interesting

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Speaker 4: factor whether phil Scott's preferences flow have any.

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Speaker 2: Impact at all.

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Speaker 4: I don't think Phil Scott's going to win the seat,

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Speaker 4: but whether or not it's you know, has flows to

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Speaker 4: the Greens. Yeah, you think where he's probably aligned to,

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that might have a part of

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Speaker 4: the play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And whether people will view him as an independent Luke.

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Speaker 1: I know when he ran for the seats, the federal

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Speaker 1: seat of Solomon, he'd certainly marketing himself as being an independent.

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Speaker 1: But I think that people learned really very quickly while

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Speaker 1: he wasn't independent, that his views were certainly more closely

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Speaker 1: aligned with the Greens.

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Speaker 5: I think not just these views, but the cash that

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Speaker 5: he had, Like he had tens and tens of thousands

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Speaker 5: of cash from Fromance Court.

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Speaker 6: What's it called?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Climate?

835
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, the environmental considerations are important.

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Speaker 6: You're going to get the balance right with community.

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Speaker 5: Infrastructure, social infrastructure, but the economy as well. And I

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Speaker 5: just think where we are right here at the terror

839
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Speaker 5: in the territories.

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Speaker 6: We want to build the territory.

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Speaker 5: So you want someone who's going to be positive, who

842
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 5: knows about things like infrastructure, and who wants to make

843
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 5: a really positive contribution to the Legislative Assembly, because that's

844
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Speaker 5: what we all want and that's what we need.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think, just following on some of the online

846
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Speaker 7: country we're talking about it before, about this nearly released footage,

847
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Speaker 7: I think there might be a bit of an own

848
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Speaker 7: goal by Phil as.

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Speaker 3: Well as sharing that stage, polarizing people.

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Speaker 4: I think wearing what he did as a badge of

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Speaker 4: that he invaded the stage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for those conference for those listening who aren't where,

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Speaker 1: it was the Developing Northern Australia Conference, wasn't it when

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Speaker 1: he then stood up and protested at that at that

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Speaker 1: conference and and yeah, I'm not too sure what people

856
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Speaker 1: think of that, but anyway, we've run out of time.

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Speaker 5: There's a role for a division, but we want serious

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Speaker 5: people in our Legislative Assembly.

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Speaker 6: It's really important.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm sure people in Nightcliff and Rabid Greg

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Speaker 5: and Coconut Grove are really thinking hard.

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Speaker 3: They want to see it at the table.

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Speaker 1: Luke, I think oh, written and authorized by Nathan Lamb.

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Speaker 2: All right, we are going to we are going to

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Speaker 2: have to to wrap up. Louke Gosling, the Federal Member

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Speaker 2: for Solomon, Good to have you with the studio. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Nathan Land, the president of the COLP, good to have

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Speaker 1: you in the studio.

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Speaker 2: And Gary Shipway, the head.

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Speaker 1: Of news for the NT News, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: your time as well.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Katie