1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 2: I am thrilled to introduce our next guest. She is 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 2: the author of a captivating novel, The Lost Flowers of 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: Alice Hart. This is one rave reviews, countless awards Australian Woman. 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: It's this powerful story of female resilience, of secrets, of 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: the lengths we go to protect ourselves and healing. It 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 2: has been adapted into an Amazon series starring Sigourney Weaver 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: and Asha Ketty. I have seen this series. It is 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: absolutely fantastic. It's made by the same people who made 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: Big Little Lies. It is the most incredible thing you 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: will see. But I'm so thrilled to welcome Holly Ringland 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: to the show. 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: Hello, Holly, good morning. 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: Can I gush for a while, Holly. I had a 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 2: hit replacement a couple of months ago and my sister 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: in law bought me your previous novel, The Seven Skins 17 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: of Esther Wilding, And seriously, that book got me through 18 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: my rehabilitation. What an incredible, incredible story. It's were I 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: first discovered you. 20 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: Oh, Amanda, thank you, but. 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: This was an incredible story. Well, I know we're going 22 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: to get to the Lost Flowers of ours hard, but 23 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: the Seven Skins of ester Wilding. It was set in 24 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: the Faroe Islands and liter Witter, which is this remote 25 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: part of Tasmania. That was where they filmed the alone 26 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 2: series for SBS. But yes, there are some recurring themes 27 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: with that and your new one about selkies and about 28 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: what the myth of the selki is? Can you explain 29 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 2: that to us? 30 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: The Selki absolutely so, oh gosh. When I started writing 31 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: The Seven Skins of Esther Wilding, I really wanted to 32 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: write about women and water and myths, old stories. These 33 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: fairy tales come from places in the North though they 34 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: come from the Northern Hemisphere, and there are different variations 35 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: of the fairy tale, but the essence of it is 36 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: that one night the seal people come to shore on 37 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: a full moon. They take off their seal skins and 38 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: they can dance on land and have a festivity under 39 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: the fore moon as humans. And then of course along 40 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: comes a mortal man and finds the seal skin that 41 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: belongs to sort of the most enchanting young woman dancing 42 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: on the shore. He's generally sort of a seaman a fisherman, 43 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: and he steals the seal skin and then traps the 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: woman in human form on land to stay with him 45 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: for seven years. So it's a fairy tale underpinned by identity, 46 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: underpinned by what gets taken away from us and how 47 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: we have to find our true selves. 48 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: With the seal skin. Is it like a big stinky 49 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: seal skin or is it like a nice scene. 50 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: I guess it depends on what your imagination brings to 51 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: the reading. 52 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: Well, when you talk about the old the old sea dogs, 53 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 3: and they say the mermaid and things like that, but 54 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 3: then it would just turn out to be like a 55 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: giant jugong or something like that. Yes, and they've been 56 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 3: at sea for too long, so they'd have it off 57 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: with anything. 58 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 2: So I'm just don't ruin the road. 59 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: Jonesy, I would really like to read your version of 60 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: a Selkie. 61 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: I think you just have I imagine, I like the 62 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: idea of your code and then like a Florence Pugh 63 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: sort of character cavorting naked on the beach, Well. 64 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: There's that abody could if anybody could, I'd be thrilled 65 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: if it was Florence Pew. 66 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: Actually, with the Lost Flowers of Alice's Heart, where you 67 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 2: use the sort of imagery of wildflowers to tell these 68 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: beautiful stories, but you've got Sigourney Weaver and Asher Keady 69 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: in it. How did you feel when you were they've 70 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 2: been cast? 71 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: So I've been I've been thinking about how to articulate 72 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: my answer to this question, because for the last few years, 73 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: when I've tried to answer this, I just end up 74 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: making a series of kind of two Bacca noises, you know, 75 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: like I just I don't have words. The irony of 76 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: being a writer is that this experience leaves me without words. 77 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just walk around every day kind 78 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: of going like I just, yeah. 79 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 3: Well, it's in your it's in your realm, it's happening. 80 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: This is you happening. 81 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: There goes Chew back up, and I can't wait for 82 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 2: the same team who did an incredible job with The 83 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: Lost Flowers of Alice Heart to start on the Seven 84 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: Skins of Esther Wiling. I'm desperate to see. 85 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 3: That that happened and we've hooked our a little wag 86 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 3: into your sexy looking seal. 87 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: I mean, if you well, I mean it's you know, 88 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: if you guys could see me right now, I'm not 89 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: sure you'd feel that way. God Bless radio. 90 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 3: God Bless Radio. The Lost Flowers of Alice Heart will 91 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: be available on Prime Video. Holly Ringland, thank you for 92 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: joining us. 93 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, you guys, thank you, thank you.