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Speaker 1: Joining me live on the line right now is the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Senator for the COLP Center, now, the jimper Price.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to your senator.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, before I get stuck into some of the issues

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Speaker 1: over the course of the weekend, it looks as though

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Speaker 1: it's been another tough weekend in Alice Springs, cars stolen,

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Speaker 1: a couple of police officers allegedly assaulted. How are things

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Speaker 1: going in Central Australia from your perspective.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's terrible, you know, in our springs you sleep

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Speaker 2: with one eye open. On my street there was a

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Speaker 2: home invasion where a young woman who only moved in

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Speaker 2: two weeks prior to the street. Three men broke in

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Speaker 2: through her window, told her partner to leave, that they

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Speaker 2: wanted to have their way with her. He refused to

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Speaker 2: do so. And then there were a series of other

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Speaker 2: home invasions, probably from the same people. And you know

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Speaker 2: we have heard much more from that, but that was

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Speaker 2: about a week ago. Hasn't got any better.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I've found quite frightening, you know, from

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Speaker 1: know those home invasions and people armed with weapons.

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Speaker 3: So I think that that's you know, that's a whole

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Speaker 1: When people are coming inside your house armed with weapons.

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Speaker 1: That's really quite frightening stuff.

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Speaker 2: No, it is, it's escalated. It's almost as if because

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Speaker 2: the crimes that we've experienced so far have almost been normalized.

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Speaker 2: I know that not every single crime has been you know,

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Speaker 2: petty things, then things are going to you know, become

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Speaker 2: more serious. And you know, the other things that I've

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Speaker 2: heard with regard to that home invasion, I asked someone

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Speaker 2: both to that young woman, well, what what has occurred

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Speaker 2: as a result of that?

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Speaker 3: Have they been charged?

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Speaker 2: Do we know anything like that? As far as she knows,

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Speaker 2: she's seen them out on the street since that occurred,

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Speaker 2: So we really don't know what's going on. But things

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Speaker 2: need to really be a hell of a lot better

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, there is no doubt about that. I think

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Speaker 3: I want to ask your Senator.

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Speaker 1: Over the course of the weekend, in what was some

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Speaker 1: pretty big news, the Northern Territory Police Commissioner Michael Murphy

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Speaker 1: publicly apologized to Indigenous Territorians for harms and injustices caused

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Speaker 1: Commissioner delivering that apology at the Garma Festival on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: The apology saw the Police Association raise concerns about the

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Speaker 1: membership well in advance of his speech. We this morning

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Speaker 1: you make of this whole situation?

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Speaker 2: Look, it's just it's not good enough given the current circumstances.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the Police commissioner, I who's going to be

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Speaker 2: concerned about the allegations of racism within the fourth Well,

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Speaker 2: he should be more specific to that. You know, the

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Speaker 2: creating a blanket apology does nothing for anybody, especially given

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Police Minister should have made that apology himself,

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that the steps so outlined

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Speaker 2: Look, I think what needs to happen is, I think

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of nuances that have to be recognized.

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Speaker 2: But certainly I think our police should have the authority

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we've spoken a lot this morning already about this

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Speaker 3: What do you make of the situation? Did you go

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't attend the Gama Festival. I attended other

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Speaker 2: he's consistently broken promises. So I'll take that one back.

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Speaker 2: But you know, to even suggest that the term, you know,

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Speaker 1: So what did he say in relation to renewables and

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Speaker 2: Well, he's suggesting that the way forward is through economic development.

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Speaker 2: Funny enough, I've been using that term for some time now.

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Speaker 2: in all sorts of various forms. He's specifically talking about renewables.

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Speaker 2: I just find it utterly ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of the Macarata and in terms of

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Speaker 2: Look, we don't know what's going on because at one

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Speaker 2: And again this Prime Minister Measy is never clear on anything,

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Speaker 2: So we don't know whether they're pushing ahead in the

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Speaker 2: Voice two point, we've yet to see, you know, detail

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Speaker 3: Sanator, what do you reckon needs to happen?

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Speaker 1: I mean as the as the the opposition, uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: Look, I've always said and highlighted where our most marginalized is.

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Speaker 2: You know, we've got to get away from this notion

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Speaker 2: the gap support knows exactly where they are. They're in

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Speaker 2: That's where we need to focus. But first protocol for me,

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Speaker 2: So that is what needs to happen. And we need

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Speaker 2: a loyal commission into sexual abuse of Indigenous children. If

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Speaker 2: less likely to be suiciding, less likely to be on

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Speaker 2: just common sense.

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Speaker 1: Senator, when do you reckon this federal election is going

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Speaker 1: to happen? Do you think it's going to be early

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Speaker 1: next year?

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Speaker 2: Well, it could very well be early next year. I

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Speaker 2: know that the coalition we're prepared for anything. So if

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Speaker 2: be ready to go then too well.

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Speaker 1: Senator for the Northern Territory COLP Senator for the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 1: Jacenter Namba jimper Price always appreciate your time. Thanks very

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Speaker 1: much for having a chat with me this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me again, Katie.

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Speaker 3: Thank you