WEBVTT - Baby Number Three is Coming 

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's a very special episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am getting deja vous because I literally just

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<v Speaker 1>recorded the same episode Amy with you a couple.

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<v Speaker 2>Of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Sophie, you were also pregnant eight weeks out from Amy.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this is a bit old hat, like

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<v Speaker 1>I keep having to announce it to people and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, sorry, this really isn't that interesting. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of questions about whether you guys planned

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<v Speaker 1>your pregnancies to be this close together. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a shock for me because I've just got back

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<v Speaker 1>from maternity leave, and I feel like I was left

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<v Speaker 1>out of a lot of things, Like you guys were

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<v Speaker 1>off doing your thing and I was at home, and

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<v Speaker 1>when you guys announced me that you're both pregnant, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my god, am I going to be

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<v Speaker 1>just doing some monologue for the podcast. But we are

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<v Speaker 1>in discussions. The podcast will still keep running. We're working

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<v Speaker 1>out what that's going to look like. The ironic thing

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<v Speaker 1>is that if you rewind to our weddings earlier this year,

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<v Speaker 1>our weddings were two months apart, and now we're having

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<v Speaker 1>children two months apart. The honeymoon babies well, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>if they weren't, I was pregnant on my honeymoon, which

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<v Speaker 1>probably wasn't a good idea. Like I thought, Oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to feel so good in my bathers, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be so fit, And it was the very early stages.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's those stages where you were so bloated, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's not even a baby bump. You were just disgustingly

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<v Speaker 1>bloated and uncomfortable. I hate to say it, but I

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<v Speaker 1>warned you because I was already pregnant. When you warned me, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't. You went at all. What well I was trying? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I said to you. I knew you were trying, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, look, so, to be honest, being pregnant is

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<v Speaker 1>actually fucking shit in the first trimester, and you do

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<v Speaker 1>not want to be pregnant on your honeymoon. I'd wait

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<v Speaker 1>and try and conceive the baby on the honey To

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, I mean, apart from maybe feeling slightly unconfident

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<v Speaker 1>in my bathers, I actually have been lucky that I

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to turn a corner on my honeymoon and I

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<v Speaker 1>felt a lot better and more like myself. When I

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<v Speaker 1>first found out. I don't know if it was mental

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<v Speaker 1>or what. I felt like shit, Like no, I it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't like I had a terrible headache. Sophie, You're not

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<v Speaker 1>really a glass half full kind of person. You're a

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<v Speaker 1>glass And do you type a person from someone who's

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<v Speaker 1>been through it eight weeks earlier? To Sophie, I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like shit. I feel like anybody who says that they

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<v Speaker 1>feel like she should be listened to because it's seen

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible period. It's ring of all these people having

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<v Speaker 1>these huge naps during the day, I suppose people working

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<v Speaker 1>from home. I didn't have any of that. I pushed

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<v Speaker 1>through it, which probably didn't help. And we're very social people.

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<v Speaker 1>We're out a lot of or not use so much anymore, Kate,

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<v Speaker 1>because you have a child, but you know this is

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<v Speaker 1>our last harah six months to enjoy it. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>out most nights with friends or doing stuff. So I

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<v Speaker 1>just kept pushing myself. And it's not like I could

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<v Speaker 1>say to my friends, I'm fucking tired. I can't, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people say, yeah, that you can't even

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<v Speaker 1>complain about it or explain why maybe you look so tired,

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<v Speaker 1>and the whole thing is because as soon as I

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<v Speaker 1>found out I was pregnant, I found TikTok a really

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<v Speaker 1>great place to go to because I found that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of women would pre record moments from the first

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<v Speaker 1>trimester and talk about like the cravings they were having

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<v Speaker 1>or whether they were feeling like shit. And for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to know straight away what the gender is

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean, you guys are having boys. Growing up

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<v Speaker 1>as girls, I've always thought one day I really want

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<v Speaker 1>to have a girl. So I was so like, oh, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to look into what the cravings are for

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<v Speaker 1>a girl. I straight away knew that I was having

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<v Speaker 1>a boy, which wives tail old wives tails aren't well.

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<v Speaker 1>They said that if you're having a boy, you absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>crave salty food. All they wanted to eat was two

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<v Speaker 1>minute noodles and chips. And I got my cravings. I

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<v Speaker 1>think yours were because you did do a gender reveal,

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<v Speaker 1>and Amy and I got our cakes from the same person,

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<v Speaker 1>but you wanted to be different. You got a different one,

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<v Speaker 1>and you went and picked the cake up and you

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<v Speaker 1>rang me and you were like, oh my god, it's

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<v Speaker 1>got blue specks in the ice. Please. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>vintage love heart cake that had white icing, and it

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<v Speaker 1>had blue and pink love hearts on it, and within

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<v Speaker 1>the icing it looked like there was black. It was

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, it was vanilla, vanilla bean, I

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<v Speaker 1>told you. But the cake lady said that she was

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<v Speaker 1>either going to bake like a blue or pink cake,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, maybe she hasn't done that. It was

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<v Speaker 1>clearly black having a melt done because it was a boy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was having a melt done because I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>the surprise to be that. Yet you continue to like

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<v Speaker 1>look at the cake with a microscope, and I said, Sophie,

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<v Speaker 1>this a similar thing happened to me. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of pink on the icing, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely a girl. And that's why when I pulled out

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<v Speaker 1>the blue I was like, what Dale said, There's no

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<v Speaker 1>way that Sophie hasn't looked in the envelope before we

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<v Speaker 1>went to the gender Ville. I said, honestly, she doesn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, she really doesn't need Even Brandon was worried

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<v Speaker 1>that she was peaking. In the end, Sophie's not known

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<v Speaker 1>for keeping secrets, didn't he say, Like you asked him, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>so have you thought of any more? Boys' names, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, you've looked in the envelope, haven't you. I

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<v Speaker 1>promise I didn't know. It's funny because I was speaking

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<v Speaker 1>to some older relatives who had no idea about a

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<v Speaker 1>gender reveal, Like I think there's like that group of

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<v Speaker 1>people who were like, oh, I didn't even know you

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<v Speaker 1>could find out the gender. They never did that back

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<v Speaker 1>in our day. Well they did because they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>the technology. And they're like, how does it work? So

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<v Speaker 1>do you know beforehand? And then you tell the baker.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, you just collect an end. But some

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<v Speaker 1>people would do. Some people actually they just find out

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<v Speaker 1>privately with their partner and then they have it as

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise for the family, which, in hindsight, that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>quite a nice idea. Only when I was finding out together,

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<v Speaker 1>my hand was shaking. I cut the I was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to cut like a nice, big fat piece of cake.

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<v Speaker 1>To make the I cut the smallest piece. You could

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<v Speaker 1>barely pull it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I just knew from your face because I saw so.

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<v Speaker 1>My advice to Sophie was close your eyes when you

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<v Speaker 1>pulled the knife out, because what happened was when I

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<v Speaker 1>cut into mind and pulled the knife out. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>the blue and not to pretend, So I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>much of a reaction in my video because I'd already knew.

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<v Speaker 1>And then yeah, and then in mind I had red jams,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was like really confused. So then Sophie cut

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<v Speaker 1>the smallest piece and she went to pick it up

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<v Speaker 1>with the cake server and it all crumbled. But I

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<v Speaker 1>saw her face and I was like, it's a boy.

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<v Speaker 1>I like had my hands over. It was more that

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<v Speaker 1>I just couldn't believe that we were all having boys.

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<v Speaker 1>What is going on? Like from growing up in the

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<v Speaker 1>household where everything's girly, we never had to watch boys stuff. Like.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so excited because I know, originally you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>a girl, and I think we all have said I've

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<v Speaker 1>been on the record and said I want a girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that I have a boy, I'm like, I could

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<v Speaker 1>not imagine my life without a boy. Absolutely love him.

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<v Speaker 1>I love being a boy, Mum. I know you guys

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<v Speaker 1>are going to love it. And when it was a boy,

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<v Speaker 1>I was so excited because they're all just going to

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<v Speaker 1>get along. So well, we keep calling them the triplets. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well you've been saying, Kate, how they're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>actually biologically like half siblings. Yes, So I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to get into the specifics because I was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>my uncle who is a GP, and I was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently genetically they're like half siblings. And he looked at

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<v Speaker 1>me as if I was on crack and I'm like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's true. And how you asked me to explain it?

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel uncomfortable ela to a doctor, can you

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<v Speaker 2>explain it to me?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so the way I explained it is it

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<v Speaker 1>would essentially be like if I had a baby with

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<v Speaker 1>rhys Dale and Brandon. So the DNA from me is

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<v Speaker 1>the same, but the DNA from the husband's is different.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have clarire Jesse Stevens talking about that that

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<v Speaker 1>their children are technically half seas. Yeah. Yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 1>actually have a prediction that all of the boys are

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<v Speaker 1>going to look like their dads and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>grow up with basically Reesdale and Brandon's minimes. I do

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<v Speaker 1>hope that the child looks a little bit like me.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like i'd be fair if it was half

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<v Speaker 1>half because as the woman you do so much to

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<v Speaker 1>the heavy lifting, you have to be pregnant, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to mostly stereotypically take time off work, but seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a biological thing. It makes sense as women, we get

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<v Speaker 1>to bond with the baby during the nine months of

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<v Speaker 1>being pregnant, and then when the baby comes out and

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like the dad, they're going to have more

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<v Speaker 1>of an affiliation and connection and bond with the baby

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<v Speaker 1>quicker if it looks like So if I want to know,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you break this news to Brandon? Well, because

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<v Speaker 1>it was planned. I feel like Brandon obviously had some

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<v Speaker 1>idea and he knew that my period was coming on

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<v Speaker 1>a certain day, so I was like, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>still announce it in acute way, like it's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the biggest surprise. So he goes for port Power,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a footage thing. I need to interject, so vi,

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<v Speaker 1>they haven't been port Power for about fifteen years. It's

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<v Speaker 1>port Adelaide. Yeah, I don't really care. Brown and gets

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<v Speaker 1>so annoyed by like the port Power. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost trolling them when I say it. But for context,

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<v Speaker 1>we grew up as massive Crow supporters who hated Port Adelaide. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm probably going to kick myself in future years.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought it'd be cute to buy him a

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<v Speaker 1>little port powered teddy bear that was my first teddy

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<v Speaker 1>Bear to give to the baby, as well as like

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<v Speaker 1>a mini football that's my first football, because I just

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<v Speaker 1>thought that would get him really excited about the news,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just thought it was a cute way to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. So basically, he came home and I had

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<v Speaker 1>it on the table ready to surprise him. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing dramatic and huge, and what was his reaction?

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<v Speaker 1>Like he just couldn't believe it. He's like, this doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel real, Like I can't get my head around it.

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<v Speaker 1>I still find it hard to get my head around

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that both are you were pregnant at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, and I'm a little bit jealous because you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are going to be able to spend maternity leave together.

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<v Speaker 1>A few of our friends have also just announced it

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<v Speaker 1>they're pregnant and they're having boys as well, which is exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>We've literally nearly got a basketball team. I think we

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<v Speaker 1>need like one more member to make the five. It

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<v Speaker 1>only starts to feel real though, when you feel the

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<v Speaker 1>baby kicking. So I'm at that stage where he's kicking

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<v Speaker 1>quite a lot, and I'm really excited so for you

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<v Speaker 1>to experience that, well, my placenta is at the front,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think it will take a little bit longer

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<v Speaker 1>for me to feel any kicks, which is quite interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because yours was at the front as well, and yours

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<v Speaker 1>is at the back. What is even weirder, Sophie, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is what really shocked me and kind of I

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<v Speaker 1>don't annoyed me a little bit, is that your due

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<v Speaker 1>date two days before Jack's due date, before his birthday. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so essentially you're probably going to go into labor, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>two days before his birthday. So now selfishly, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>when am I holding my son's first birthday party? Because

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<v Speaker 1>I've been planning his first birthday party in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're to have a baby on Jack's birthday, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>so I be getting in trouble with everyone. I'm getting

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble with you that it's too close to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting in trouble with you that's close to your

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<v Speaker 1>son's But I don't know issue would have been close.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just concerned from a work perspective. But we are

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<v Speaker 1>in the process, as we said, of sorting that out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so exciting, like we should be so grateful because

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<v Speaker 1>how amazing these kids are going to be so close

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<v Speaker 1>in age. Yeah, you're I was saying, they're the triplets,

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<v Speaker 1>like the boy triplets. Yeah, so Amy, your son is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be well, Jack will be ten months older

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<v Speaker 1>than your son and twelve months older than Sophie's and

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<v Speaker 1>then the boys will be Your.

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<v Speaker 2>Boys will be eight weeks apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, I found out recently that my child is

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<v Speaker 1>either going to go to school with Jack or Sophie's child,

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<v Speaker 1>because the way that the years unfold for schooling, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not all going to be in the same year. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's either baby h is with Sophi or with joll.

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<v Speaker 1>Surely he'd be with mine if they're closer in it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it might be that Jack does a few terms

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<v Speaker 1>of reception.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, we'll hold him back so they can be in

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<v Speaker 2>the same year.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I think it's cool for you, Sophie because you

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<v Speaker 1>have someone in a sense to compare things to, because

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<v Speaker 1>I keep saying to you, well, exactly this time next year,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to have a six month old like I have.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it is kind of helpful the timeline.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can kind of track it along.

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<v Speaker 1>But the other thing is So my sister in law

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<v Speaker 1>is also having a baby in February, so it's just

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<v Speaker 1>going to be all these babies. We don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>gender she's waiting to find out. I'm hoping it's a

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<v Speaker 1>boy so that they not that they won't get along

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<v Speaker 1>if it's different genders, but it'd be quite cute anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>And but the thing that I don't like is that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm last to give birth, So I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to hear all of these fucking horror stories and

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to freak me out. Like I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be heavily pregnant at the hospital Amy waiting for you,

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<v Speaker 1>just knowing that I'm going to be there, and I'm glad.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually so glad that I'm having the baby before

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<v Speaker 1>you because the song and dance that Sophie would have

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<v Speaker 1>put on maybe, So I'm like, I'm sorry, I think

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<v Speaker 1>anyone gets a bit nervous about child. No, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>but you just it's kind of like when you lined

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<v Speaker 1>up for to get it back saying at school, and

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to be the first one to get it

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<v Speaker 1>over and done. Also, when you have a baby, every

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<v Speaker 1>milestone you hit, you feel like I've progressed, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't need to be fed as many times overnight.

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<v Speaker 1>I've dropped that night feed, So you're always going to

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<v Speaker 1>be eight weeks ahead of Sophie and the Saren, and

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<v Speaker 1>then your sister in law is going to be is

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<v Speaker 1>four months ahead of you, so you're aways gonna hear.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you should be doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>Something I'm excited about is Sofi and I have been

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<v Speaker 1>discussing how we want to get some prammed, but the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that are connected, because yeah, the site of three

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<v Speaker 1>of us going for a walk with three separate prams,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's just not going to work. So we

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<v Speaker 1>weren't kind of like, yeah, like some kind of joined PRAM.

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<v Speaker 1>But we were also saying that during work days, Sof

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<v Speaker 1>and I going to try and bring the babies together

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<v Speaker 1>because I know when we were little we slept really

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<v Speaker 1>well together because one you'd kind of wake up and

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of see each other and then fall back

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<v Speaker 1>to sleep. Like we kind of want to set up

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<v Speaker 1>like nurseries at our house so we can get work done.

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<v Speaker 1>But also, I mean we're on the same routine as well,

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<v Speaker 1>which I just bought a portcot so I can bring

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<v Speaker 1>Jack here.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I want to know?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you be open to breastfeeding each other's kids because

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<v Speaker 1>you could be your own wetness. I found out that

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<v Speaker 1>my next door neighbor she had a baby on a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of months after me, and I was like, Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>if I was better friends.

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<v Speaker 2>With her because apparently she had an epic milkflow, like.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that that yeah, yeah, And so I was like, really, look,

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<v Speaker 1>why are we both waking up very look? Sof and

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<v Speaker 1>I aren't like Sarah's day at Christmas party. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be offering everyone to drink my breast milk?

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<v Speaker 2>Why not if you guys are genetically the same?

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, but I think that you're going to have enough

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<v Speaker 1>strain in your body that you don't really feel like

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<v Speaker 1>feeding another child, like even if it is your nephew

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<v Speaker 1>both sides and then one. But I mean, from a

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<v Speaker 1>very limited experience in children, don't you feed them on

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<v Speaker 1>one and then the other? Okay, you're still going to

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<v Speaker 1>be breastfeeding at the time. Maybe would you be wetnes

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<v Speaker 1>breastfeeds children milk may have drawn up by then. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I think that's a bit gross. Maybe I

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<v Speaker 1>could push it to when Amy, you get birth and

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<v Speaker 1>then you can start feeding you. I'll put this out

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<v Speaker 1>there because I can just imagine like someone picking up

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<v Speaker 1>on this being like triplets breastfeed theameid. No, we're not

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<v Speaker 1>doing that. That's a big no.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's too fas.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. I also want to know, and I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 1>to stir trouble, but it probably will.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you going to be fighting over boys' names?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we've both written up a bit of a list,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are some names that cross over, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think that the names that were really keen on aren't

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<v Speaker 1>the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a first in best dress? So does Amy

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<v Speaker 2>have the one up on you?

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<v Speaker 1>Say, Amy, if there was a name that you both liked,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you gonna work that out? Well? I suppose

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<v Speaker 1>because I've thrown out names ahead of knowing that Sophie

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<v Speaker 1>was pregnant, I feel like she's been very respectful and

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't been targeting those names because it's quite funny because

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<v Speaker 1>when we found out you were having a boy, because

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<v Speaker 1>there was a little bit of stress because if I

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<v Speaker 1>was to go around two and had a girl, then

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<v Speaker 1>you potentially could have stolen some of the girls' names.

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<v Speaker 2>That I want, but we all like similar names.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people will be wondering, how

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<v Speaker 1>did you break the news to us, because obviously when

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<v Speaker 1>I told you, I told you on the podcast. I

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<v Speaker 1>told Kate separately. Well, the thing is that you guys

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<v Speaker 1>knew that I was trying. So I felt like it

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<v Speaker 1>was hard to make it a big surprise, and I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like you guys were cottoning on to the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that something was going on. There was a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>even at family dinners, it's like, oh, I bet that

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<v Speaker 1>Sophie's pregnant, Like there are all these comments. So I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like I had to tell you guys. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>think everyone is when they're pregnant. So I decided to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you at six weeks because I thought, well, if

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<v Speaker 1>God for bid something happened, i'd want the support of

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<v Speaker 1>you guys anyway. So I ended up telling you and

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<v Speaker 1>my mum and at the same time at a little

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<v Speaker 1>cafe near our house, and I just pulled out a

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<v Speaker 1>toy and the pregnancy test, and then we thought, oh fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't tell Dad. He might be offended. So then

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<v Speaker 1>that night we had to pretend that we were telling

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<v Speaker 1>him at dinner, and then I told my in laws

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<v Speaker 1>the next day at my husband's birthday dinner. So we

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<v Speaker 1>came back to my house and we got a little

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<v Speaker 1>bandana for my dog Archie and it said big brother

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<v Speaker 1>on it, so we made him run out and see everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>So in terms of Archie, because he is your first son,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, you very much treat him like a child.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you feeling about integrating a baby into that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we were a bit nervous about it because Archie hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really been around children heats. But I feel a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more confident now that he's been around Jack, and Jack

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<v Speaker 1>loves him, like they have a little cute bond going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I have Archie on my screensaver of my phone, and

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<v Speaker 1>every time I showed Jack, he just smiled at Archie.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm really excited to see the bond that Archie

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<v Speaker 1>and the baby will have. Brandon has already been practicing,

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<v Speaker 1>so he has got a blanket and he'll get his

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<v Speaker 1>phone and search babies crying on YouTube, and he'll have

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<v Speaker 1>the phone in the blanket and see how Archie reacts,

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<v Speaker 1>just to try and get him used to that sound.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure with any animal, it's always going

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<v Speaker 1>to be difficult and like a slow process of helping

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<v Speaker 1>them bond and getting them used to it, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a big change for everyone. See, if you ever want

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<v Speaker 1>a babysit Jack and get Archie used to crying or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me know. Well, the thing is, I think because

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<v Speaker 1>the first time you ever brought Jack around, he was

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<v Speaker 1>so small, and Archie had never seen a baby, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was like, oh my god, what is that.

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<v Speaker 1>So when he's seen Jack, when he's a bit bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's when he was a bit more like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a human, and Jack was interactive with him because

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<v Speaker 1>he was What do you think has been the most

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<v Speaker 1>surprising thing about becoming pregnant because people often say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's wild what people will ask you, or

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that this is how I feel immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a few things like I think I was so

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<v Speaker 1>concerned that I wouldn't be able to feel pregnant that

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<v Speaker 1>I never really allowed myself to think about what it

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<v Speaker 1>would be like being pregnant. So when I first found

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<v Speaker 1>out that I was pregnant, I was shocked at how

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<v Speaker 1>tired you feel. I was shocked at just starting to

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<v Speaker 1>see changes in my body. Like you guys say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't even look that pregnant to begin with, but

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<v Speaker 1>I can personally see the changes myself. Like the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of your boobs get bigger is the first one where

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, I think because we all have such small

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<v Speaker 1>boobs and they're probably still you know, most people would

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<v Speaker 1>consider them quite small, but you just feel it in yourself. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and just not being able to like my go to

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<v Speaker 1>is to wear jeans and a singlet, and because I've

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<v Speaker 1>been so bloated in the first trimester, I haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>able to wear a pair of jeans. So it's even

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<v Speaker 1>like thinking what are outfits that I can wear where

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<v Speaker 1>it's not obvious to my friends that I'm pregnant, because

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to tell my friends until I hit

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<v Speaker 1>the three month mark because I was just really paranoid about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all the tests and the nest tests and

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<v Speaker 1>all that sort of stuff that you have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the other surprising thing is that people feel

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<v Speaker 1>like they can ask you any invasive questions. So the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of people that have been like, oh, how are

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<v Speaker 1>you giving birth? What? Haven't you had a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>like even think about it. And there's so much judge

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<v Speaker 1>are you going public or private? Like there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of I've noticed there's a lot of class around it

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<v Speaker 1>as well. I'm going public, public and proud, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just feel like people that will almost be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going private, You're not having an obstetrician. Was

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<v Speaker 1>at zambrero Is, my local Zambreros, and they're so nice

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<v Speaker 1>in there, and I mentioned that you guys are both pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>and they even asked me what obstetrician you guys are

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<v Speaker 1>going through, And I thought it was so funny. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even know that was a question, Like I just

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that's that I find so shocking is that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone has an opinion on it, the judgment, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone talks about mum shaming. I think that people

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<v Speaker 1>get shamed as soon as they become pregnant. People start

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<v Speaker 1>judging every aspect. Something that's also shocked me is in

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<v Speaker 1>the first trimestera just how many out of pocket expenses

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<v Speaker 1>there are for all of the expensive scans, like they

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<v Speaker 1>hit all at the one time, Like it's just crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we had a scan at oh I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was ten weeks just because they too much information,

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<v Speaker 1>but just because my periods weren't that regular. They wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to actually find out how old the baby, how many

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<v Speaker 1>weeks it was, So yeah, I mean, once you start

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<v Speaker 1>doing three or four scans in the first trimester, it

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<v Speaker 1>gets really expend As I told you, so, if I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're now at the moment when if you're in

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<v Speaker 1>the public system, you get passed over to your midwife

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<v Speaker 1>group and from then on, I don't even I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I've paid anything except like twenty dollars at the

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<v Speaker 1>hospital for the opioids. Well, that makes me feel a

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<v Speaker 1>bit better, but yeah, it's I mean, then you're just

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<v Speaker 1>paying a lot for all the babies. I recently had

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<v Speaker 1>a midwife appointment. It was actually an appointment that got

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<v Speaker 1>moved towards the doctor because I asked if to have

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<v Speaker 1>an elective cesarean And my goodness, they make you feel

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<v Speaker 1>bad about that, like the amount of things they read

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<v Speaker 1>out and you've got to sign your life away, And

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<v Speaker 1>I just think, why is there so much judgment over

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<v Speaker 1>how women choose to give birth? Like I have obviously

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<v Speaker 1>thought about this. I know the risks, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>that this is something that is better in the long

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<v Speaker 1>run for me to do it. This way. I actually, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have an issue with that too, because I was

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<v Speaker 1>too scared to ask originally for an elective cesarean, because

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<v Speaker 1>I found there was judgment, particularly from the midwives, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they really like to push in quotation

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<v Speaker 1>marks the natural process, and I just say, and it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's wrong to call it a natural birth way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes I know, but I'm saying from their perspective, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you really feel like they don't think it's natural, and

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<v Speaker 1>you actually get to a point where you're like, am

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<v Speaker 1>I even allowed to have this? But you are? So

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<v Speaker 1>if anyone's listening who actually wants an elective cesarean, you

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<v Speaker 1>can choose that and you don't even have to provide

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<v Speaker 1>an actual reason if you don't want it. They quissed me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, even if it's not either actually

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<v Speaker 1>have to accept you just you just have to stick

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<v Speaker 1>to your guns if that's what you want. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's not even just with pregnancy. I think in any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of medical environment, you always have to advocate for

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<v Speaker 1>your own health and what's right for you. Yeah, well

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<v Speaker 1>that's why we're going to wrap things up. But I've

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<v Speaker 1>feel like off the back of this episode. People may

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<v Speaker 1>have some more questions because it is quite an unusual

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<v Speaker 1>situation where you're both pregnant pretty much at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you do have any questions, send them in

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<v Speaker 1>and we might do a follow up episode if you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't already. We would really love if you could leave

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<v Speaker 1>us a five star review because it honestly helps the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast out so much. It helps reach new listeners. This

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<v Speaker 1>episode was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana

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<v Speaker 1>people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders

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<v Speaker 1>past and present,